This was also reported recently in The Australian.

China’s connection to Israel attacks

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2023/10/17/2003807790

The recent Hamas attack on Israel, with indirect financial support tied to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), raises questions about China’s positioning in the Middle East. It also highlights the ongoing significance of international backing for nations such as Taiwan, Israel and Ukraine.

Last week, as the world witnessed Hamas terrorists targeting Israeli civilians, Beijing surprised the international community with an official statement that omitted any condemnation of the attack. During a visit to Beijing, a delegation of US lawmakers expressed their disappointment with Chinese President Xi Jinping’s (習近平) failure to stand with Israel, a stance taken by most of the world’s democratic nations.

Beijing’s position represents a political risk, jeopardizing its diplomatic standing and potential trade and investment ties with Israel in exchange for bolstering its relationships with Middle Eastern Muslim nations.

Notably, China’s alignment in the Middle East takes into account the Sunni-Shiite divide, with Iran playing a pivotal role in its regional alliance-building efforts.

China is Iran’s primary trade partner, and Iran’s economic reliance on China is substantial. Because the West has sanctioned Iran, selling oil to China remains one of Tehran’s few viable revenue streams.

Furthermore, China assists Iran in areas such as military equipment, technology and weaponry, and extends support to Iran’s nuclear program. In turn, Iran provides financial aid, weapons, training and technological support to Hamas.

Matthew Levitt, director of the Reinhard Program on Counterterrorism and Intelligence at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, recently told Deutsche Welle that Iran provides substantial funding to Hamas, estimated at US$70 million to US$100 million annually, even in the face of US sanctions.

Iran and Hamas place a higher emphasis on their militant activities than on the welfare of their constituents. Under Hamas’ rule, Gaza residents experience notably low living standards.

Furthermore, in addition to financial support from Iran, Hamas imposes taxes on all imports and exports in Gaza, further complicating the livelihoods of its citizens.

Hamas holds effective governance in the Gaza Strip, often in conflict with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), an entity that has, at times, been labeled a terrorist organization. Beijing maintains engagement with both parties.

China has been a consistent supporter of the PLO since the 1960s, and recognized Palestinian statehood in 1988. The PLO maintains an embassy in Beijing, while China has a representative office in the Palestinian territories. China consistently upholds the Palestinian cause in global forums such as the UN, advocating for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. Earlier this year, China and Palestine solidified their relations through a strategic partnership agreement.

China’s support for Palestine is driven by its desire to position itself as an ally of the Muslim world, thereby fostering a coalition against Israel. Concomitantly, Israel’s economic significance to China has declined. Foreign direct investment from China and exports to Israel peaked in 2018.

Furthermore, China’s favorability among Israelis is waning. In 2016, 66 percent of the Israeli populace held a positive view of China. By last year, the figure had dwindled to 48 percent.

China’s support for Hamas during this conflict could further exacerbate this decline.

The US has long maintained a staunch alliance with Israel, extending crucial military assistance. In 2018, Israel officially relocated its capital to Jerusalem, a move that rendered a China-mediated peace agreement unattainable. Although many Western nations declined to endorse the transition, former US president Donald Trump showed solidarity with Israel by transferring the US embassy to Jerusalem.

That same year, thousands of kilometers away in Taipei, he similarly relocated the American Institute in Taiwan, effectively the de facto embassy, to an impressive US$250 million, 6.5 hectare office complex. The move sent a clear signal to China that Washington was amplifying its support for Taiwan.

In addition to providing military aid to Israel and Taiwan, the US has been funding the defense of Ukraine. US lawmakers are fighting over whether or not to keep supporting all three, and by how much.

Those who support continued funding say that if the Hamas attack on Israel goes unanswered or if Ukraine falls to Russia, China would be emboldened to invade Taiwan. Xi is closely monitoring these developments, and the global response to the Ukraine conflict and the Hamas attack would influence his assessment of the potential reaction to a Taiwan invasion.

Should he perceive Washington as an unreliable partner, one that might abandon Taiwan, it could prompt him to take action.

“I do not know a single Israeli who does not support Taiwan,” said Yitzhak Tzubara, a former staff sergeant in Israeli military intelligence with a master’s degree in East Asian Studies.

He said that while some Israelis might refrain from openly expressing their pro-Taiwan stance due to professional connections with or business interests in China, they, too, hold a favorable view of Taiwan.

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

This was also reported recently in The Australian. China’s connection to Israel attacks https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2023/10/17/2003807790 The recent Hamas attack on Israel, with indirect financial support tied to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), raises questions about China’s positioning in the Middle East. It also highlights the ongoing significance of international backing for nations such as Taiwan, Israel and Ukraine.

 

See the problem with believing what you read in 'The Australian'...

The EU has also been supporting the occupied territories and Gaza, for decades. 

And international support for Taiwan has nothing to do with international support for Palestine; other nations are not sending aid to wealthy Taiwan like the US is, as part of the US attempt to maintain global hegemony against a rising China.

...though FD, being a "freedom values" ideologue, falls for the narrative hook-line-and sinker. 


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Last week, as the world witnessed Hamas terrorists targeting Israeli civilians, Beijing surprised the international community with an official statement that omitted any condemnation of the attack. During a visit to Beijing, a delegation of US lawmakers expressed their disappointment with Chinese President Xi Jinping’s (習近平) failure to stand with Israel, a stance taken by most of the world’s democratic nations.

China has long been a supporter of UN res 242, like most of the world including the EU - unlike the US. The Palestinian state would exist today, but for RW zionists in the US with the power to exercise the US veto in the UNSC.   


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Beijing’s position represents a political risk, jeopardizing its diplomatic standing and potential trade and investment ties with Israel in exchange for bolstering its relationships with Middle Eastern Muslim nations.

This 'The Oz' goon worrying about risks taken by Beijing?

Certainly the US is annoyed Beijing adjudicated a rapprochment between S. Arabia and Iran...


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Notably, China’s alignment in the Middle East takes into account the Sunni-Shiite divide, with Iran playing a pivotal role in its regional alliance-building efforts.

And notably, this pathetic 'The Oz' goon is now going to attack Iran....


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China is Iran’s primary trade partner,

China is many nations' primary trading partner... aren't you ashamed to associate yourself with such blind ideology-based distortion of facts?   

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The EU has also been supporting the occupied territories and Gaza, for decades.

Supporting a piece of dirt?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Quote: The EU has also been supporting the occupied territories and Gaza, for decades. Supporting a piece of dirt?

Fraud alert:

Fraudiver in full flight, in this case courtesy of his letter of the law device, to avoid addressing the issue.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Quote: The EU has also been supporting the occupied territories and Gaza, for decades. Supporting a piece of dirt? Fraud alert: Fraudiver in full flight, in this case courtesy of his letter of the law device, to avoid addressing the issue.

Do you understand why people might object to the CCP supporting Islamic terrorism?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 2:43pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Quote: The EU has also been supporting the occupied territories and Gaza, for decades. Supporting a piece of dirt? Fraud alert: Fraudiver in full flight, in this case courtesy of his letter of the law device, to avoid addressing the issue. Do you understand why people might object to the CCP supporting Islamic terrorism?

The CCP don't support Islamic terrorism, indeed they have cracked down on it in Xinjiang, to the benefit of everyone in Xinjiang.

Nor do they support RW Israeli terrorism, unlike you.

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Last week, as the world witnessed Hamas terrorists targeting Israeli civilians, Beijing surprised the international community with an official statement that omitted any condemnation of the attack.

Why do you think that is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Palestine_relations


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In January 2024, Israel reported that it discovered a big stockpile of Chinese weaponry used by Hamas.

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China does not consider Hamas ruling the Gaza Strip as a terrorist organization

It's right up there with the USA supporting the Moslem Mujahadeen against USSR

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 5:52pm:

Quote: Last week, as the world witnessed Hamas terrorists targeting Israeli civilians, Beijing surprised the international community with an official statement that omitted any condemnation of the attack. Why do you think that is?

 

For the same reason Guterres put forward: "the attack didn't happen in a vacuum".


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Palestine_relations In January 2024, Israel reported that it discovered a big stockpile of Chinese weaponry used by Hamas.

No kidding... meanwhile AT LAST., the US is being shamed into ceasing delivering  weapons stockpiles for Israel.


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China does not consider Hamas ruling the Gaza Strip as a terrorist organization

China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you.

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China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you.

I am not talking about China. I am talking about the CCP.

What other governments share the CCP's view that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be criticised for the October 7 invasion?


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For the same reason Guterres put forward: "the attack didn't happen in a vacuum".

Nothing happens in a vacuum. But he did unequivocally condemn the attack.

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:05pm:

Quote: China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you. I am not talking about China. I am talking about the CCP.

You said "China does not consider Hamas ruling the Gaza Strip as a terrorist organization".

I accept your concession.   


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What other governments share the CCP's view that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be criticised for the October 7 invasion?

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/everyday-explainers/israel-countries-recognise-hamas-terrorist-list-9036186/

"India does not recognise Hamas as a 'terrorist' organisation — only a handful of countries around the world do".

Of course Hamas doesn't speak for all Palestinians, who most of the world want to reocognize a a UN member- state, as will be shown in Friday's upcoming  UNGA vote on "Palestine is a peace-loving entity and should be admitted to UN membership" - which will reveal the laggards like the US and probably  US-a*se lickers like Oz who will abstain. 

As for China, it doesn't automatically regard people who resist Israel's confiscation of Palestine as "terrorist", as you do.


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Nothing happens in a vacuum. But he did unequivocally condemn the attack.

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Yes; and he correctly sees the solution to the conflict - like China - as recognition of Palestine NOW, not when Israel thinks the time and conditions right, which is never; RW zionists won't countenance it, least of all East Jeruslam as the capital of Palestine.   

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You said "China does not consider Hamas ruling the Gaza Strip as a terrorist organization".

That was a quote. Hence the quote box.


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and he correctly sees the solution to the conflict - like China - as recognition of Palestine NOW

So paperwork will stop the war? Wouldn't the war end sooner if Hamas simply stopped attacking?


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Yes

And the CCP didn't. Why not?


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Of course Hamas doesn't speak for all Palestinians, who most of the world want to reocognize a a UN member- state

How can the Palestinians be recognised as a state without a government to represent them?

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 1:33pm:

So paperwork will stop the war? Wouldn't the war end sooner if Hamas simply stopped attacking?

No. Recognition of Palestine  will.


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And the CCP didn't. Why not?

 

Many countries didn't.  Why not?


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How can the Palestinians be recognised as a state without a government to represent them?

The Palestinian Authority will represent them; Fatah and Hamas are negotiating arrangements as we speak.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 1:33pm: So paperwork will stop the war? Wouldn't the war end sooner if Hamas simply stopped attacking? No. Recognition of Palestine  will. Quote: And the CCP didn't. Why not?   Many countries didn't.  Why not? [quote]How can the Palestinians be recognised as a state without a government to represent them?

The Palestinian Authority will represent them; Fatah and Hamas are negotiating arrangements as we speak.
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So Hamas and Fatah were the ones holding up Palestinian statehood?

When you say "recognition" do you just mean paperwork, or something more meaningful? A few grand speeches perhaps?

Even Muslim countries have started condemning Hamas' attacks. But not the CCP.

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 2:48pm: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 1:33pm: So paperwork will stop the war? Wouldn't the war end sooner if Hamas simply stopped attacking? No. Recognition of Palestine  will. Quote: And the CCP didn't. Why not?   Many countries didn't.  Why not? [quote]How can the Palestinians be recognised as a state without a government to represent them? The Palestinian Authority will represent them; Fatah and Hamas are negotiating arrangements as we speak.

So Hamas and Fatah were the ones holding up Palestinian statehood?[/quote]

No. Refusual of Israel to abide by UN 242  - aided and abetted by the US , did.


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When you say "recognition" do you just mean paperwork, or something more meaningful? A few grand speeches perhaps?

 

No, I mean establishment of Palestine as per UN res. 242; which Hamas will accept now, as all friends of Palestine would urge them  to do (because the imperialist judeo christian usurpation of half of Palestine  is not reversible now).

Of course that means the illegal settler goons will have to be bulldozed out of the WB; will Israel make war with the entire world?


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Even Muslim countries have started condemning Hamas' attacks. But not the CCP.

Yes, China sees geo-political advantages in working to establish UN res 242; they are happy for the US and its allies to condemn Hamas -  while the US is blocking UN res 242 at the same  time. US hypocrisy will soon be in the spot-light, in the upcoming UNGA vote. 

 

If all it takes is for Hamas to agree to it, why is it Israel's fault that it has not already happened?


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Yes, China sees geo-political advantages in working to establish UN res 242; they are happy for the US and its allies to condemn Hamas

Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

If all it takes is for Hamas to agree to it, why is it Israel's fault that it has not already

Because it's Israel's fault, quibbling over the meaning of  UN res 242 way back in 1967  -  which was responsible for Hamas' creation 2 decades later.


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Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.

Er - most countries, like China, have not designated Hamas a terrorist organisation.

And most countries, including  China, now want all parties  (including Hamas) to implement UN res 242.

You? 

Try again. 

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Because it's Israel's fault, quibbling over the meaning of  UN res 242 way back in 1967  -  which was responsible for Hamas' creation 2 decades later.

So basically everything the Muslims do is Israel's fault, not their own? All those terrorist attacks can be conveniently blamed on Jews "quibbling"?


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Er - most countries, like China, have not designated Hamas a terrorist organisation.

Are you having difficulty understanding? Here it is again:

Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Quote: Because it's Israel's fault, quibbling over the meaning of  UN res 242 way back in 1967  -  which was responsible for Hamas' creation 2 decades later. So basically everything the Muslims do is Israel's fault, not their own? All those terrorist attacks can be conveniently blamed on Jews "quibbling"?

Well...it takes two to tango, which is why we need international law.

But you - being  deluded by your posited "subjective" awareness of freedom - as opposed to freedom based on morality, justice and fairness - are incapable of adjudicating  right or wrong, or cause and effect.

So in your view, the Judeo-Christian imperialism which resulted in Israel's creation in 1947 is the natural order; others see it differently.


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Er - most countries, like China, have not designated Hamas a terrorist organisation.

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Are you having difficulty understanding? Here it is again:

No - you are having trouble understanding the concept of  adjudication to establish  'morality, justice and fairness' between different cultures, to engender the  freedom of both.  

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So in your view, the Judeo-Christian imperialism which resulted in Israel's creation in 1947 is the natural order; others see it differently.

Others see it the same way. You support the same outcome, but but because they Israeli's "quibbled" somehow, whenever the Muslims try to slaughter them, its their own fault.

BTW, what the Israeli's did was the opposite of quibbling. The UN talked. The Israelis went ahead and built a functioning state based on liberal democracy. What you insist they should have done instead - wait for the UN to physically establish the country, even though they are still not capable of doing so, is textbook quibbling.


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No - you are having trouble understanding the concept of  adjudication to establish  'morality, justice and fairness' between different cultures, to engender the  freedom of both.

Meaningless gibberish. Try again.

Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP.

Do you see anything in there about designating them a terrorist organisation?

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

Quote: So in your view, the Judeo-Christian imperialism which resulted in Israel's creation in 1947 is the natural order; others see it differently. Others see it the same way.

Those others being those who want UN res 242 implemented  - ie the international law which adjudicated on the conflict.


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You support the same outcome, but but because they Israeli's "quibbled" somehow, whenever the Muslims try to slaughter them, its their own fault.

Your error exposed above: "others see it the same way" - you didn't specify which others (...either as part of your deliberate use of fraud, or low IQ).

Implementation of UN res 242 was derailed by quibbling over the meaning of "territories occupied",  as opposed to  "the terittories occupied" (in the 1967 war).

(apparently a translation problem  from French to English: but the Israeli's milked the dispute over meaning for all it was worth...).   


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BTW, what the Israeli's did was the opposite of quibbling. The UN talked. The Israelis went ahead and built a functioning state based on liberal democracy. What you insist they should have done instead - wait for the UN to physically establish the country, even though they are still not capable of doing so, is textbook quibbling.

Er... you forgot the matter of the occupation of the WB after 1967, while Israel "went ahead and built a functioning state" - actions which are responsible for the creation of (reactionary) Hamas, because Israel was guibbling all that time over the meaning of "occupied territories" , as noted above.   


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Meaningless gibberish. Try again.

Er - interntional law...oh never mind, delusional  "subjective freedom" ideologues like you reject international law.


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Not Just US allies. Even Muslim countries and independent Muslim organisations have come to accept that Hamas is ultimately responsible for the suffering in Gaza, and are openly condemning them for the attacks. But not the CCP. Do you see anything in there about designating them a terrorist organisation?

I see moderate Islamists and the CCP all agreeing that all parties including Hamas and the f**kwits in Netanyahu's RW cabinet need to institute UN res 242.

So it is all Israel's fault because they did what the UN endorsed instead of waiting for the UN to do something they are incapable of. And that is why the CCP won't criticise Hamas for the latest invasion? Even though plenty of others, including Muslim countries and Muslim organisations are willing to?

Why is it that you keep avoiding this elephant in the room?

China's Thousandfold Guantánamos
With China's assault on scores of leading academics and intellectuals, business as usual is no longer possible, writes Magnus Fiskesjö.

The recent mass arrests of scores of leading academics and intellectuals in western China is one of many indications that the Chinese regime's current campaign against the native Uighur, Kazakh and other peoples is already a genocide. It is now clearly engaged in "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such," as defined in the 1948 international Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2019/04/08/universities-should-not-ignore-chinas-persecution-scores-leading-academics-opinion

It's kind of ironic that the CCP will clamp down on religion within China, and persecute Muslims especially, but are happy to promote Islamic terrorism elsewhere.

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

So it is all Israel's fault because they did what the UN endorsed instead of waiting for the UN to do something they are incapable of.

Now you are getting there....slowly. The UN professed to be the agency of international law, post 1945.

But the UN should never have voted to partition Palestine, without the machinerty in place to establish the articles of the law (namely, UN res 181). 


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And that is why the CCP won't criticise Hamas for the latest invasion?

No. The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.   


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Even though plenty of others, including Muslim countries and Muslim organisations are willing to?

Moderate Muslims are now also keen to solve the conflict. 


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Why is it that you keep avoiding this elephant in the room?

Because it's an elephant of your own making.

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The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.

 

What about stopping the slaughter? Is that an end in itself, or do you think the body count must continue to rise until reality reflects the paperwork?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:05pm:

Quote: China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you. I am not talking about China. I am talking about the CCP. What other governments share the CCP's view that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be criticised for the October 7 invasion? [quote]For the same reason Guterres put forward: "the attack didn't happen in a vacuum".

Nothing happens in a vacuum. But he did unequivocally condemn the attack.[/quote]


How can Australia exercise "power and authority over China"?
Australia better not mess with China. China is too strong for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3F7n7OetBc

China: "Australia's Military is the chewy-gum under the Chinese shoe."

Alexander Downer "Australia needs to act tough and show authority... like ask its 'master' - the USA to do something about it!"  ;D ;D ;D

Indonesia: "Australia is the USA's 'dog'"

capitosinora wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 8:05pm: Quote: China has a more balanced view of the conflict than you. I am not talking about China. I am talking about the CCP. What other governments share the CCP's view that Hamas is not a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be criticised for the October 7 invasion? [quote]For the same reason Guterres put forward: "the attack didn't happen in a vacuum". Nothing happens in a vacuum. But he did unequivocally condemn the attack.

How can Australia exercise "power and authority over China"?
Australia better not mess with China. China is too strong for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3F7n7OetBc
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The only way Australia can defeat China is with free 'pussy'.
Just like you Americans offer it to the Africans.  ;)

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 1:28pm:

Quote: The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.   What about stopping the slaughter?

Er -  you are confused again: the slaughter since Oct 8th is an affront to the whole world - including what happened on the 7th. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/ex-israeli-pm-olmert-warns-rafah-attack-would-be-risk-we-cannot-afford-to-take

Ex-Israeli PM Warns Rafah Attack Would Be ‘Risk We Cannot Afford to Take’

‘Rafah may be one step too much,’ Ehud Olmert says in Tel Aviv
Mass protests will force early elections on Netanyahu: Olmert


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Is that an end in itself, or do you think the body count must continue to rise until reality reflects the paperwork?

Even Oz voted today (Oz time)  to increase Palestinian rights in the UN today, a step toward Palestinian statehood: "the only solution to the endless conflict".

The Israeli UN ambassador is convulsing....

The title of this thread is classic FD  obfuscation: he claims the CCP is supporting terrorisn because the CCP hasn't condemned Hamas.

https://press.un.org/en/2023/ga12548.doc.htm

General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling for Immediate, Sustained Humanitarian Truce Leading to Cessation of Hostilities between Israel, Hamas.

Member States Fail to Adopt Amendment Condemning 7 October Terrorist Attacks by Hamas in Israel

thegreatdivide wrote on May 11^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:28pm: Quote: The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.   What about stopping the slaughter? Er -  you are confused again: the slaughter since Oct 8th is an affront to the whole world - including what happened on the 7th.

So why is the CCP unwilling to condemn Hamas for it?

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 11th, 2024 at 1:26pm: freediver wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 1:28pm: Quote: The CCP wants to solve the conflict, criticizing Hamas won't establish UN 242.   What about stopping the slaughter? Er -  you are confused again: the slaughter since Oct 8th is an affront to the whole world - including what happened on the 7th.  So why is the CCP unwilling to condemn Hamas for it?

Because the CCP knows condemnation of Hamas is insufficient and will only justify and embolden Israel's  continued illegal occupation of Palestine - and the current genocide in Gaza. 

UN recognition of Palestine, with or without Israel's 'permission', is required now to end the conflict. 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 12^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

freediver wrote on May 11th, 2024 at 2:51pm: So why is the CCP unwilling to condemn Hamas for it? Because the CCP knows condemnation of Hamas is insufficient

That is some curious logic. Did the CCP come up with that, or did you just make it up on their behalf?

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2024 at 1:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 12th, 2024 at 12:59pm: freediver wrote on May 11th, 2024 at 2:51pm: So why is the CCP unwilling to condemn Hamas for it? Because the CCP knows condemnation of Hamas is insufficient That is some curious logic. Did the CCP come up with that, or did you just make it up on their behalf?

Maybe - I can't speak for the CCP.

Meanwhile, the CCP  like 143 other countries including Oz, want a two state solution, achieved by allowing more rights to Palestinians in UN processes, to that end.   

The CCP are now concerned with the  current revenge genocide in Gaza,  after the Oct 7th  revenge genocide in Israel; death toll so far 1200 Israelis, 13,500 Palestinians.

And what is the origin of this  endless cycle of  revenge attacks?

Answer: the Partition of Palestine,  a concept dreamed up by Judeo Christian imperialists (ironically just as  the British empire itself was disintegrating, and the Brits wanted out of the Palestine Mandate).   

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You speak for them all the time. You are their parrot.


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And what is the origin of this  endless cycle of  revenge attacks? Answer: the Partition of Palestine,  a concept dreamed up by Judeo Christian imperialists (ironically just as  the British empire itself was disintegrating, and the Brits wanted out of the Palestine Mandate).

 

So the partition of Palestine is both the cause of, and the solution to, all the violence?

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

You speak for (the CCP)  all the time. You are their parrot.

Refuted recently, have you forgotten already?

eg, I'm rotten with the CCP for not eliminating graduate - indeed ALL - unemployment., as well as the Evergrande debacle...

Hardly a spokesman for the CCP. 


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TGD: the Partition of Palestine,  a concept dreamed up by Judeo Christian imperialists (ironically just as  the British empire itself was disintegrating, and the Brits wanted out of the Palestine Mandate).  So the partition of Palestine is both the cause of, and the solution to, all the violence?

(sigh) - the partition plan (dreamt up by Judeo Christian imperialists) is the original cause of the violence; the solution requires the establishment of 2 states (as envisioned by the plan) with security guaranteed by the UNSC, to end the conflict. 

So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different?

Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on May 4th, 2024 at 4:45pm: Of course Islam is the cause of the conflict worldwide. What conflict are you referring to? If the US did not have military bases in muslim lands, and if Israel had not been created (Bin Laden's two main complaints), Islamic terrorism would not exist.

:D

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2024 at 3:18pm:

So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states,

yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there.


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and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different?

Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves. 


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Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence?

Of course, as noted above.

That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set, 'read the riot act'....and implement the damn plan. 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence?

Of course, as noted above.

That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan. 
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Do you realise how idiotic you sound?

What land was confiscated?

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.

Do you realise how idiotic you sound?[/quote]

No, can you explain it to me?

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

What land was confiscated?

Half of the Palestine Mandate land.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: What land was confiscated? Half of the Palestine Mandate land.

It was not confiscated.


thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.  Do you realise how idiotic you sound?

No, can you explain it to me?


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I do not think that is possible. I describe your position in the most idiotic terms possible, and you simply agree with me like there is nothing wrong with it.

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:29pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: What land was confiscated? Half of the Palestine Mandate land. It was not confiscated. thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:27pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.  Do you realise how idiotic you sound? No, can you explain it to me?

I do not think that is possible. I describe your position in the most idiotic terms possible, and you simply agree with me like there is nothing wrong with it.[/quote]

Er....the half of the Palestine Mandate Land which was confiscated to create Israel.

What part of that don't you understand?

FD, why are you so lazy?


freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2023/10/17/2003807790

wombatwoody wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

FD, why are you so lazy? [quote author=freediver link=1715138826/0#0 date=1715138826] https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2023/10/17/2003807790

FD's link? Let's have a look:

"The recent Hamas attack on Israel, with indirect financial support tied to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), raises questions about China’s positioning in the Middle East. It also highlights the ongoing significance of international backing for nations such as Taiwan, Israel and Ukraine."

Taipei Times has been an indirect arm of the CIA (see - I can use the word "indirect" too) since the KMT lost government in Taiwan in 2016. The DDP is screaming for war between Taiwan and the mainland; of course the US is only too willing to oblige, and sit back and watch the destruction of Chinese interests on both sides of the strait, just as the US is willing to support the war in Ukraine  to help destroy Russia while using Ukraine as cannon fodder, for the benefit of the US military industrial complex. 

Meanwhile, I presume you understand the original cause of the ME conflict was the confiscation of around half of Palestinian Mandate land to make way for the anachronistic creation of Israel.

FD can't understand it, of course. 

[Meanwhile, China has it's own struggle with Uyghur terrorists (who are supported by the US of course), but China would rather see rapport between Arabia and Iran, for geopolitical reasons (eg reduce US influence in the ME.)]   

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:32pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:29pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: What land was confiscated? Half of the Palestine Mandate land. It was not confiscated. thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:27pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.  Do you realise how idiotic you sound? No, can you explain it to me? I do not think that is possible. I describe your position in the most idiotic terms possible, and you simply agree with me like there is nothing wrong with it.

Er....the half of the Palestine Mandate Land which was confiscated to create Israel.

What part of that don't you understand?
[/quote]
Just remind us - how did Muslims get to be in the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, India?

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 3:23pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:32pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:29pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: What land was confiscated? Half of the Palestine Mandate land. It was not confiscated. thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:27pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.  Do you realise how idiotic you sound? No, can you explain it to me? I do not think that is possible. I describe your position in the most idiotic terms possible, and you simply agree with me like there is nothing wrong with it. Er....the half of the Palestine Mandate Land which was confiscated to create Israel. What part of that don't you understand?

Just remind us - how did Muslims get to be in the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, India?[/quote]

Er....in the ME,  by defeating the Christian Byzantine empire (in the Levant)  in the 7th century AD; Jews had been  kicked out of Palestine 600 years earlier.

All before the UN Charter was signed in 1946:

including

"The conquest of territory by force is inadmissible"   

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 6:36pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 3:23pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:32pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:29pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: What land was confiscated? Half of the Palestine Mandate land. It was not confiscated. thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:27pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.  Do you realise how idiotic you sound? No, can you explain it to me? I do not think that is possible. I describe your position in the most idiotic terms possible, and you simply agree with me like there is nothing wrong with it. Er....the half of the Palestine Mandate Land which was confiscated to create Israel. What part of that don't you understand? Just remind us - how did Muslims get to be in the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, India?

Er....in the ME,  by defeating the Christian Byzantine empire (in the Levant)  in the 7th century AD; Jews had been  kicked out of Palestine 600 years earlier.

All before the UN Charter was signed in 1946:

including

"The conquest of territory by force is inadmissible"   
[/quote]
Sooo.. colonising conquerors of.... er..... what?

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 6:44pm: Frank wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 6:36pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 3:23pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:32pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:29pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: What land was confiscated? Half of the Palestine Mandate land. It was not confiscated. thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:27pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:26pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 3:18pm: So the cause of the violence is the plan to partition Palestine into two states, yes - because it involved confiscation of land against the will of those already living there. Quote: and the solution is to create two states, which is completely different? Yes - given the first error is now entrenched; the only solution to stop the violence is to fulfil the plan as envisioned, NOW, given RW Jews are demanding all of Palestine for themselves.  [quote]Do you think the Islamic belief that the land belongs to Islam and any kind of Jewish rule cannot be tolerated has anything to do with the violence? Of course, as noted above. That's why the UNSC is required to grow a set....and implement the damn plan.  Do you realise how idiotic you sound? No, can you explain it to me? I do not think that is possible. I describe your position in the most idiotic terms possible, and you simply agree with me like there is nothing wrong with it. Er....the half of the Palestine Mandate Land which was confiscated to create Israel. What part of that don't you understand? Just remind us - how did Muslims get to be in the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, India? Er....in the ME,  by defeating the Christian Byzantine empire (in the Levant)  in the 7th century AD; Jews had been  kicked out of Palestine 600 years earlier. All before the UN Charter was signed in 1946: including "The conquest of territory by force is inadmissible"

Sooo.. colonising conquerors of.... er..... what?[/quote]

Gaza (before it was turned into the world's largest open air prison following Israel's fake withdrawal), and the illegal occupation of the WB.

All following the Judeo Christian dreamt-up confiscation of half the Palestine Mandate lands.