"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say.

Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed.

This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-charging-nsw-solar-panel-owners-for-exporting-power-criticised-by-lobby-group

10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". ::)

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say. Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed. This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-charging-nsw-solar-panel-owners-for-exporting-power-criticised-by-lobby-group 10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". ::)

Yes, charging consumers for their own free energy produced by the sun is the mother of all market failures.

If AGW climate change predictions are real, the BIS/IMF will have to buy the entire global  fossil fuel industry, to enable transition to renewables ASAP in ALL countries regardless of resource endowment. End of the free market.

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10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient"

Solar panel owners being ripped off once again.   ::)

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

"A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say. Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed. This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-charging-nsw-solar-panel-owners-for-exporting-power-criticised-by-lobby-group 10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". ::)

How do you export power in the evening when their is little or no sunlight ??

They already rip people off when there is excess energy on the grid. Why don't they give that excess energy away to the neighbours for free ?? This is what privitization does :(

Sir lastnail wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

lee wrote on May 17th, 2024 at 1:09pm: "A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say. Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed. This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-charging-nsw-solar-panel-owners-for-exporting-power-criticised-by-lobby-group 10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". ::) How do you export power in the evening when their is little or no sunlight ?? They already rip people off when their is excess energy on the grid. Why don't they give that excess energy away to the neighbors for free ?? This is what privatization does :(

Hi sir Nail,
if you have solar panels you're gunna get screwed over.

It was the same with running cars on gas back in the 1980s -
when it first came out it was marvelous then the Govt taxed the hell out of it
so it was no better than petrol.

Bobby. wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:15pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 17th, 2024 at 5:12pm: lee wrote on May 17th, 2024 at 1:09pm: "A new tariff that will charge solar panel owners for exporting their energy during the middle of the day could discourage solar uptake, consumer groups say. Ausgrid, which has about 280,000 customers in New South Wales with rooftop solar panels, has introduced a two-way tariff system to incentivise solar panel owners to export their power into the grid in the evening, when it is most needed. This will include a charge to solar panel owners of 1.2 cents a kilowatt hour to send electricity to the grid between 10am and 3pm once exports hit above a free threshold." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/17/energy-companies-charging-nsw-solar-panel-owners-for-exporting-power-criticised-by-lobby-group 10am to 3pm? That's when the solar panels are at their most "efficient". ::) How do you export power in the evening when their is little or no sunlight ?? They already rip people off when their is excess energy on the grid. Why don't they give that excess energy away to the neighbors for free ?? This is what privatization does :( Hi sir Nail, if you have solar panels you're gunna get screwed over. It was the same with running cars on gas back in the 1980s - when it first came out it was marvelous then the Govt taxed the hell out of it so it was no better than petrol.

They lied to us when they said that if they remove and replaced the old mechanical meters that gave parity on feedins that we would save $$$$$ with these new dumb meters. Nothing could be further from the truth. These pollies are lying pieces of sh.t :(

Sir lastnail wrote on May 17^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

They lied to us when they said that if they remove and replaced the old mechanical meters that gave parity on feedins that we would save $$$$$ with these new dumb meters. Nothing could be further from the truth. These pollies are lying pieces of sh.t :(

That's correct Nail,
the Pollys are professional liars.
In Victoria it was illegal to prevent them from changing your electric usage,
mechanical meter over to a smart meter.
Feeding power in ran the old mechanical meter backwards.
Not anymore - now you have to pay them.

The only way to avoid it is to install a $10K expensive and dangerous battery
that can catch fire and burn your house down.

This has to be a f..king joke.

If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and  only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me.

Screw them.

Super Nova wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

This has to be a f..king joke. If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and  only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me. Screw them.

I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power.

Setanta wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Super Nova wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 6:31pm: This has to be a f..king joke. If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and  only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me. Screw them. I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power.

There was some inquiry about it which the electricity providers won.
Their argument was that a major cost of theirs was the upkeep of the
power lines and if the feed in was 1 to 1 it wouldn't be fair.

Bobby. wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 8:38pm: Super Nova wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 6:31pm: This has to be a f..king joke. If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and  only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me. Screw them. I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power. There was some inquiry about it which the electricity providers won. Their argument was that a major cost of theirs was the upkeep of the power lines and if the feed in was 1 to 1 it wouldn't be fair.

The lines need to be there either way, it's not a loss. If they want to treat us as wholesalers then they need to pay as such. Perhaps we need a solar roof co-op.

Setanta wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 8:42pm: Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 8:38pm: Super Nova wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 6:31pm: This has to be a f..king joke. If I was in aus and wanted to invest this way I would go for batteries, change my wiring and go low energy lights ...etc so I only used my own power always first and  only when that was depleted would I draw on the grid. basically I would want to stop using them and paying them where possible. I would have a system that calculated how much power I need until morning and then push to grid so they nearly always pay me. Screw them. I don't know this is much different than the usual drop in FIT(feed in tariff) we get. I pay ~32c@KwH and get 7c@KwH for FIT. They get our excess "green energy" to sell for at least one third of what it is on sold for and we already pay to be connected to their network. I guess I could stand on the roof with a torch to provide evening power. There was some inquiry about it which the electricity providers won. Their argument was that a major cost of theirs was the upkeep of the power lines and if the feed in was 1 to 1 it wouldn't be fair. The lines need to be there either way, it's not a loss. If they want to treat us as wholesalers then they need to pay as such. Perhaps we need a solar roof co-op.

Maybe?

and maybe they bribed the inquiry members?   :)

The problem is trying to keep the free market and private for profit producers and providers, to transition to a green economy doesn't work, hence the current madness being discussed in this thread.   

Bad news for all you 'small government' free-marketeers....

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Bad news for all you 'small government' free-marketeers....

So tell us the successes of BIG government. USSR perhaps? ;)

lee wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Bad news for all you 'small government' free-marketeers.... So tell us the successes of BIG government. USSR perhaps? ;)

Er...

1. the USSR wasn't faced with transitioning to the green economy; now the whole world is. 

2. the economic failure around the globe at present -  nearly every nation is reporting "economic difficulties" - is happening under the current dominant neoliberal 'small government' ideology (from the hopeless IMF down).   

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

1. the USSR wasn't faced with transitioning to the green economy; now the whole world is.

The USSR was Socialist. There is no need to transition to a green economy. But perhaps you have a global economy that has embraced this "green economy"? Not the UK. The workers are against it because of job losses. No "high paying jobs", nothing at all really.

"n a move which has been remarkably underreported in England, the union Unite has launched a campaign against Labour’s policy of refusing licences for new oil and gas extraction in the North Sea.

The campaign, called ‘No ban without a plan’, demands that Labour suspends the policy. If successful, it means a future Labour Government would continue, like the Conservatives, to grant new licences, until it has come up with a plan to create at least 35,000 new ‘energy transition jobs’ in Scotland – equivalent to the current roles held by oil workers. The union’s General Secretary Sharon Graham has accused Keir Starmer of following a policy which would allow Britain to “be held to ransom by Saudi Arabia or other nations” and adds:

“Labour needs to pull back from this irresponsible policy. There is clearly no viable plan for the replacement of North Sea jobs or energy security… Unite will not stand by and let workers be thrown on the scrapheap. North Sea workers cannot be sacrificed on the altar of Net Zero.” "

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-and-unite-go-to-war-over-oil/


thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

2. the economic failure around the globe at present -  nearly every nation is reporting "economic difficulties" - is happening under the current dominant neoliberal 'small government' ideology (from the hopeless IMF down).

And those governments struggling that are not a part of "the current dominant neoliberal 'small government' ideology "? ::)

BTW - "nearly every nation" is not universal. ::)

lee wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 7:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 6:27pm: 1. the USSR wasn't faced with transitioning to the green economy; now the whole world is. The USSR was Socialist.

A wholly command economy which was crushed in a competition with the US.

Whereas today China is a "socialist" country out-competing the US, hence all the nonsense about 'over-capacity' coming from the US side.   

There are many possible forms of 'socialism'. Bernie Sanders ( a 'democratic socialist') speaks of "an economy which works for all", something which certainly isn't the case in the US - in which half the population are living paycheck to paycheck,  the definition of financial stress. 


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There is no need to transition to a green economy

Regardess of your definition of "need", I think you have lost that argument, as people are dying in floods and droughts with increasing regularity (and glaciers are disappearing at speed). 


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But perhaps you have a global economy that has embraced this "green economy"? Not the UK. The workers are against it because of job losses. No "high paying jobs", nothing at all really.

As you know I want a global green economy funded by free money created in national treasuries - as well as the IMF which can buy the entire fossil indistry and transfer useful resources to the green economy (cost - c $200 trillion, all inflation free because electricity prices would plummet in a 'nationalized (indeed 'globalized'] energy industry. 

And governements would be wealthy enough they could fund good retirement  for workers not able to find work in other areas.   


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“Labour needs to pull back from this irresponsible policy. There is clearly no viable plan for the replacement of North Sea jobs or energy security… Unite will not stand by and let workers be thrown on the scrapheap. North Sea workers cannot be sacrificed on the altar of Net Zero.”

Indeed; I have outlined the necessary course of action above (via nationalizing and closing the fossil industry).


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And those governments struggling that are not a part of "the current dominant neoliberal 'small government' ideology "? ::)

The whole world - even China, is subject to the neoliberal debt based disaster. It's time for currency-issuing governments to free themselves from the current government austerity mainstream mantra.


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BTW - "nearly every nation" is not universal. ::)

Ok.   But see above, you can't name a nation which is not subject to the finance constraint/debt and deficit  mainstream myth. 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:06pm:

Whereas today China is a "socialist" country out-competing the US, hence all the nonsense about 'over-capacity' coming from the US side.

Nope not socialist.

"    While China is generally regarded as a socialist country, it is arguably also a communist country (as the ruling political party's name, the Chinese Communist Party, suggests).
    Moreover, many economists argue that China's economic ideology is actually closer to capitalism, though current leader Xi Jinping is making an effort to move the country back toward socialism."

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/is-china-a-socialist-country


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:06pm:

There are many possible forms of 'socialism'. Bernie Sanders ( a 'democratic socialist') speaks of "an economy which works for all", something which certainly isn't the case in the US - in which half the population are living paycheck to paycheck,  the definition of financial stress.

Whereas China merely has millions malnourished and homeless.

"However, large pockets of poverty still exist – especially in remote, mountainous areas – and there are large income disparities and gaps in nutritional status between rural and urban areas. Almost 150.8 million people are malnourished. Given the size of China’s population, rates of 9.4 percent for stunting in children, 19.6 percent for anemia and 25 percent for overweight represent significant national and global burdens."

https://www.wfp.org/countries/china

Homeless - 2.5 million

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/homelessness-by-country


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:06pm:

Regardess of your definition of "need", I think you have lost that argument, as people are dying in floods and droughts with increasing regularity (and glaciers are disappearing at speed).

From where do you get your lack of figures? The IPCC says that there is no increase floods and droughts. And people have alweays died in floods and droughts. Glaciers advance and retreat, that is it common path. Hannibal could not have crossed the Alps with elephnats at the current level of ice and snow. What does that tell you?


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:06pm:

Indeed; I have outlined the necessary course of action above (via nationalizing and closing the fossil industry).

But you don't have the necessaryt logic or knowledge. You can't even admit  Keen uses models. Let alone explain his assumptions. ::)




thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:06pm:

OK. But see above, you can't name a nation which is not subject to the finance constraint/debt and deficit  mainstream myth.

So you can't show it. Thanks for that.

Further -

“Electric vehicles (EVs) require substantially more copper and other metals than conventional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. For example, manufacture of an ICE automobile requires 24 kg of copper whereas manufacture of an EV requires 60 kg”​​.

...

“To meet business-as-usual trends, 115% more copper must be mined in the next 30 years than has been mined historically until now. To electrify the global vehicle fleet requires bringing into production 55% more new mines than would otherwise be needed”​​.

...

“Under today’s policy settings for copper mining, it is highly unlikely that there will be sufficient additional new mines to achieve 100% EV by 2035. Policymakers might consider changing the vehicle electrification goal from 100% EV to 100% hybrid manufacture by 2035″​​.

https://www.ief.org/focus/ief-reports/copper-mining-and-vehicle-electrification#:~:text=To%20electrify%20the%20global%20vehicle,require%20negligible%20extra%20copper%20mining

And that without the necessary copper for the wind tubines. ::)

https://ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/figures/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter12_Table_12_12_1.jpg

https://ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/figures/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter12_Table_12_12_2.jpg

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

though current leader Xi Jinping is making an effort to move the country back toward socialism."

I accept your concession.


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Whereas China merely has millions malnourished and homeless.

Ignorance, you must be referring to African countries or  areas of India; and Oz has thousands of homeless.

But have you forgotten, the topic is 'household  solar woes', and the solution is a globilized green economy.

iow, not  "small government",  but HUGE government - ie huge public spending - do try to keep up, rather than diverting to  "socialism", merely displaying your rejection of big government spending, because you are committed Thatcher's 'small governement'/anti-"socialist" ideology.   


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From where do you get your lack of figures? The IPCC says that there is no increase floods and droughts. And people have alweays died in floods and droughts. Glaciers advance and retreat, that is it common path. Hannibal could not have crossed the Alps with elephnats at the current level of ice and snow. What does that tell you?

The IPCC is divided,  and the AGW faction is gaining the upper hand as an increasing scourge of tornadoes, floods, fires, and droughts ravages the world.  Do try to kee up.



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But you don't have the necessaryt logic or knowledge. You can't even admit  Keen uses models. Let alone explain his assumptions. ::)

Keen uses simple double-entry accounting to prove neoclassical models are wrong.


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So you can't show it. Thanks for that.

Currency-issuing governments are resource constrained, not finance constrained.

What part of that don't you understand?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

I accept your concession.

So it is NOT currently a socialist state. Thank you for that. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

Ignorance, you must be referring to African countries or  areas of India; and Oz has thousands of homeless.

I gave you the references. Take it up with them. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

But have you forgotten, the topic is 'household  solar woes', and the solution is a globilized green economy.

That would be a "solution" if it was feasible and necessary. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

iow, not  "small government",  but HUGE government - ie huge public spending - do try to keep up, rather than diverting to  "socialism", merely displaying your rejection of big government spending, because you are committed Thatcher's 'small governement'/anti-"socialist" ideology.

So huge government spending that is not inflationary. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

The IPCC is divided,  and the AGW faction is gaining the upper hand as an increasing scourge of tornadoes, floods, fires, and droughts ravages the world.

That is the Physical Science Basis. But we know you don't do science, just feelings. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

Keen uses simple double-entry accounting to prove neoclassical models are wrong.

He uses assumptions as I have previously shown. That makes them models. Models which can not be verified into the future, as I have also previously explained. But then you don't do accounting either, so you waffle on. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

urrency-issuing governments are resource constrained, not finance constrained.

Only in your view. Models are not proof of anything. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

What part of that don't you understand?

Oh I understand, far better than you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

So it is NOT currently a socialist state. Thank you for that. ;)

  But is it a 'big government state"?


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I gave you the references. Take it up with them. ::)

You lied; China has eradicated absolute poverty, India and Afirca haven't; see World Bank figures re global poverty.


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That would be a "solution" if it was feasible and necessary. ::)

Thanks for seeing it; and btw it is both feasible and necessary. 


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So huge government spending that is not inflationary. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Correct: govt. spending replacing the massive spending  and profits of private fossil-fuel  companies who are charging exorbitant prices to consumers, to be replaced with cheap nationalized energy.


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That is the Physical Science Basis. But we know you don't do science, just feelings. ::)

I know there are a range of opinions on the AGW science


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He uses assumptions as I have previously shown. That makes them models. Models which can not be verified into the future, as I have also previously explained. But then you don't do accounting either, so you waffle on. ::)

Don't perist in claiming you are equipped to refute Keen, you are only making a fool of yourself; (plenty of articles by Keen in the MMT thread). 


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tgd: currency-issuing governments are resource constrained, not finance constrained.

Only in your view. Models are not proof of anything. ::)[/quote]

The statement in blue isn't a "model", it's a description of reality - unseen by Neoclassical economists who have confused thenmselves with their unreal models based on
unreal  equilibrium-creating competition in  "invisible hand" markets.   


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Oh I understand, far better than you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The currency-issuer isn't finance constrained, unlike you and me; what part of that don't you understand?

(Your inflation bogey-man can be neutered by balancing national supply and demand for resources, central banks  shouldn't be allowed near monetary (interest rate) policy.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

But is it a 'big government state"?

You were the one saying it was a socialist state. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

You lied; China has eradicated absolute poverty, India and Afirca haven't; see World Bank figures re global poverty.

I quoted a reference. Currently, they say 56 million live in poverty. How is that a lie? ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Thanks for seeing it; and btw it is both feasible and necessary.

And yet you haven't shown it to be either. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Correct: govt. spending replacing the massive spending  and profits of private fossil-fuel  companies who are charging exorbitant prices to consumers, to be replaced with cheap nationalized energy.

Such a noddy. Just your scrambled thinking.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

I know there are a range of opinions on the AGW science

Yes. All the way from benign to alarmist. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Don't perist in claiming you are equipped to refute Keen, you are only making a fool of yourself; (plenty of articles by Keen in the MMT thread).

Ah says the arch fool, who can't do accounting, or modelling. ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

The statement in blue isn't a "model", it's a description of reality - unseen by Neoclassical economists who have confused thenmselves with their unreal models based on unreal  equilibrium-creating competition in  "invisible hand" markets.

A description by whom?  ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

The currency-issuer isn't finance constrained, unlike you and me; what part of that don't you understand? (Your inflation bogey-man can be neutered by balancing national supply and demand for resources, central banks  shouldn't be allowed near monetary (interest rate) policy.

And you trust governments to balance that supply and demand? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Chalmers $9.3 billion surplus on the back of an increase in net debt by $52 billion. You should be a comedy writer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The IPCC has a consensus? ;D ;D ;D

Well according to the Guardian they do.

Apparently 77% of 383 out of 843 "climate scientists" agree.  And an opinion survey is not science. Except there are notably some quite specifically mentioned who are not.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/08/world-scientists-climate-failure-survey-global-temperature

"“‘I am starting to panic about my child’s future’: climate scientists wary of starting families,” claims one headline based on the survey. According to the article, the victim of the panic is a Professor Lisa Schipper, whom Carrington describes as “an expert on climate vulnerability”. Schipper’s profile, however, reveals her actual occupation: “I am particularly interested in socio-cultural dimensions of vulnerability, including gender, culture and religion, as well as structural issues related to power, justice and equity.” "

So AGW is now a religion. ::)

"“[Climate change] is an existential threat to humanity and [lack of] political will and vested corporate interests are preventing us addressing it. I do worry about the future my children are inheriting,” said Lorraine Whitmarsh, at the University of Bath in the UK."

ttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2024/may/08/hopeless-and-broken-why-the-worlds-top-climate-scientists-are-in-despair#:~:text=Their%20overwhelming%20feelings%20were%20fear,in%20an%20age%20of%20fools.%E2%80%9D

"According to her academic profile at Bath, She did a BA in Theology and Religious Studies with French at the University of Kent, graduating in 1997. She followed this with a Masters in ‘Science, Culture and Communication’, before completing a PhD in Psychology in 2005. Now Director of the Centre for Climate Change and Social Transformations (CAST), Whitmarsh researches “perceptions and behaviour in relation to climate change, energy and transport” and “regularly advises governmental and other organisations on low-carbon behaviour change and climate change communication”.

So a religious scholar but not a climate scientist. oh dear.

SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday.

It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases.

tallowood wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases.

Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:01pm: SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases. Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi?

He shitted in your farting jihad head gear that's why you are so crappy.

tallowood wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:29pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:03pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:01pm: SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases. Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi? He shitted in your farting jihad head gear that's why you are so crappy.

No sh1t!

Is Talloowood p1ssed on because he borrowed it and was wearing it at the time.

Was this a fecal Hannibal attack on Tallowood for allowing himself to be captured.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:29pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:03pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:01pm: SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases. Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi? He shitted in your farting jihad head gear that's why you are so crappy. No sh1t! Is Talloowood p1ssed on because he borrowed it and was wearing it at the time. Was this a fecal Hannibal attack on Tallowood for allowing himself to be captured.

sh1t is all over LTYC face because his farting jihad head gear was sh1ted in.

tallowood wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:46pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:37pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:29pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:03pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:01pm: SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases. Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi? He shitted in your farting jihad head gear that's why you are so crappy. No sh1t! Is Talloowood p1ssed on because he borrowed it and was wearing it at the time. Was this a fecal Hannibal attack on Tallowood for allowing himself to be captured. sh1t is all over LTYC face because his farting jihad head gear was sh1ted in.

No sh1t?

While Tallowood wore it during a Hannibal attack on Tallowood?

... Or did Tallowood experience a violent vomit release of poisonous noxious propaganda that had previously been pumped into Tallowoods head?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:46pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:37pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:29pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:03pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:01pm: SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases. Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi? He shitted in your farting jihad head gear that's why you are so crappy. No sh1t! Is Talloowood p1ssed on because he borrowed it and was wearing it at the time. Was this a fecal Hannibal attack on Tallowood for allowing himself to be captured. sh1t is all over LTYC face because his farting jihad head gear was sh1ted in. No sh1t? While Tallowood wore it during a Hannibal attack on Tallowood? ... Or did Tallowood experience a violent vomit release of poisonous noxious propaganda that had previously been pumped into Tallowoods head?

Dear LTYC,
you are lowering the high intellectual and scientific standards of debate on this MRB.
Try to raise the level of debate.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:48pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:46pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:37pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:29pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:03pm: tallowood wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 12:01pm: SunPower, the company that provides the solar panels many Coachella Valley residents have on their roofs, filed for bankruptcy on Monday. It is the latest development in a saga that has seen the company facing numerous serious and seemingly escalating challenges over the past several months, including allegations about executives' misconduct related to the company's financial statements and a recent decision that SunPower would no longer offer new solar leases. Does the yarmulke guy have an alibi? He shitted in your farting jihad head gear that's why you are so crappy. No sh1t! Is Talloowood p1ssed on because he borrowed it and was wearing it at the time. Was this a fecal Hannibal attack on Tallowood for allowing himself to be captured. sh1t is all over LTYC face because his farting jihad head gear was sh1ted in. No sh1t? While Tallowood wore it during a Hannibal attack on Tallowood? ... Or did Tallowood experience a violent vomit release of poisonous noxious propaganda that had previously been pumped into Tallowoods head? Dear LTYC, you are lowering the high intellectual and scientific standards of debate on this MRB. Try to raise the level of debate.

I am being Hannibalized by a sinister cultist cabal.

Oz is moving beyond lee's 'climate hoax' theory, driven by householders' desire for lower electricity bills.

But  free-market conflict of interest between providers and consumers  is throwing up problems, as usual:

(ABC Business)

As household solar and batteries grow in Australia, a new market is emerging for the data sitting behind smart meters

To deal with the shock, a couple of years ago Kerry Bradbury took a radical step — she installed batteries, new solar panels and a heap of smart tech in her home.

It wasn't cheap, costing her $28,000.

But thanks to that tech and the small retailer that coordinates it for her, she won't have to pay a power bill for seven years.

"All of it's automated," Ms Bradbury explains.

"Me being an average person, I don't have time to try and work out what's the best price, when's the best price to be using it.

"I am quite happy for somebody else to be doing that for me, and I am still getting some benefit."

Sitting on a gold mine

While Kerry Bradbury is grateful for someone taking over to generate savings for her, she's actually paying to hand over control of an asset that has huge money-making potential.

Australia's energy authorities envision a world where smart, clean tech — from solar panels and batteries to electric vehicles to pool pumps, air conditioners and heat pumps — can help prop up the grid while slashing consumers' bills.

The smart technology behind those devices enables them to be turned on and off, up and down through software platforms known as home energy management systems.

And the ability to control households' energy systems is becoming an increasingly valuable asset to the grid and power companies.

"A rooftop solar system coupled with a small-scale battery installation can make a meaningful difference to a single household's energy bill," the Australian Energy Regulator wrote in its most recent state of the energy market report.

"But aggregated across thousands of households, these technologies can enhance system reliability and security."

That potential could be used to soak up excess electricity when there is too much solar power in the system and not enough demand.

Or it could be used to provide electricity to the grid when there isn't enough solar and there's too much demand.

"Where there aren't any explicit provisions, it's possible for metering providers to do things that aren't technically illegal but wouldn't necessarily be in the consumer's best interest."

Shutting out competition

Jonathan Jutsen, the founder of consultancy Energetics, says it is imperative that regulators prevent "walled gardens", a term that refers to the practice by technology companies of closing access to a platform so they can profit from the data.

A well-known example for this is Apple, which is unwilling to share its systems — from messaging to video-calling — with other tech providers.

"That is surely what regulators are there for — to protect consumers' interests."

According to Mr McCloskey, the stakes are high.

He says the great prize of the energy transition is smarter and cleaner power that can cut bills and hand greater control to consumers.

But he warns this prize is likely to remain out of reach for most households unless yawning gaps in the regulations covering the smart meter market can be plugged.

As it currently stands, Mr McCloskey says the market is only likely to serve the interests of the metering providers and their retailer customers.

"If we get this wrong, the energy transition will be more expensive for consumers and there will be a lot more complications than there should be," he says.

"And there's the potential we won't have the full range of services that some consumers may want and the protections for data and information that consumers need."

'Conflict of interest'

Giving consumers greater control of their own data and real-time access to it would be a good start, he says.

He says it should be entirely up to consumers to decide who — or which company — can use their data to provide them energy services.

Sydney householder Kerry Bradbury agrees.

She questions how metering companies can best serve consumers' interests when their own customer is the power retailer.

In her opinion, the "conflict of interests" seems obvious.

"They [the metering companies] can't be dealing with the little person like me … and the bigger players in the system," Ms Bradbury says.

"I know who would win.

"It would be the big boys who would win over a little person like me.

"This is where there has to be a regulator of some kind to step in and stop anyone dominating the market."


Ah...the "free" market....

"Markets are good servants, but poor masters, and a worse religion" Amory Lovins.

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But thanks to that tech and the small retailer that coordinates it for her, she won't have to pay a power bill for seven years.

Have to physically disconnect from grid to stop paying "Service to Property Charge".

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

As household solar and batteries grow in Australia, a new market is emerging for the data sitting behind smart meters To deal with the shock, a couple of years ago Kerry Bradbury took a radical step — she installed batteries, new solar panels and a heap of smart tech in her home. It wasn't cheap, costing her $28,000.

SO cost $28,000 dollars. Power bills? Living alone probably about $1,000 a year. It costs about $1,800 for the missus and me. So 28 years repayment. The rooftop solar probably won't last that long, and neither the batteries. Then there is the time value of money. That $28,000 would be worth over $56,000 at a compound rate of 4%. And then there is the dream of free replacement.

You keep saying governments can make money from nothing. Does that apply to the plebs as well? ;)

And she won't have to pay a power bill for 7 years? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

tallowood wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 12:39pm:

Quote: But thanks to that tech and the small retailer that coordinates it for her, she won't have to pay a power bill for seven years. Have to physically disconnect from grid to stop paying "Service to Property Charge".

It's unclear. but

"If I had one, two, three [kids] here over summer, the bills could be as high as $2,000."

To deal with the shock, a couple of years ago Kerry Bradbury took a radical step — she installed batteries, new solar panels and a heap of smart tech in her home.

So, her power bills are $2k a year (with her kids regularly turning up for extended stays), so after 14 years the system has paid for itself.

And after that - if we can deal with the conflicts of interest between providers, wholesalers, retailers, and consumers, there is a "goldmine" of data which can be used to reduce costs to consumers. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 2:04pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 12:39pm: Quote: But thanks to that tech and the small retailer that coordinates it for her, she won't have to pay a power bill for seven years. Have to physically disconnect from grid to stop paying "Service to Property Charge". It's unclear. but "If I had one, two, three [kids] here over summer, the bills could be as high as $2,000." To deal with the shock, a couple of years ago Kerry Bradbury took a radical step — she installed batteries, new solar panels and a heap of smart tech in her home. So, her power bills are $2k a year (with her kids regularly turning up for extended stays), so after 14 years the system has paid for itself. And after that - if we can deal with the conflicts of interest between providers, wholesalers, retailers, and consumers, there is a "goldmine" of data which can be used to reduce costs to consumers.

Many of my mates who live up in hills had off grid setup for years but they did not have grid to start with because to bring power to them would cost over 50K dollars to start with.
Also they made own batteries as farm battery doesn't need to be limited in size nor leak and shock proof like automotive ones.

tallowood wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 2:04pm: tallowood wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 12:39pm: Quote: But thanks to that tech and the small retailer that coordinates it for her, she won't have to pay a power bill for seven years. Have to physically disconnect from grid to stop paying "Service to Property Charge". It's unclear. but "If I had one, two, three [kids] here over summer, the bills could be as high as $2,000." To deal with the shock, a couple of years ago Kerry Bradbury took a radical step — she installed batteries, new solar panels and a heap of smart tech in her home. So, her power bills are $2k a year (with her kids regularly turning up for extended stays), so after 14 years the system has paid for itself. And after that - if we can deal with the conflicts of interest between providers, wholesalers, retailers, and consumers, there is a "goldmine" of data which can be used to reduce costs to consumers.  Many of my mates who live up in hills had off grid setup for years but they did not have grid to start with because to bring power to them would cost over 50K dollars to start with. Also they made own batteries as farm battery doesn't need to be limited in size nor leak and shock proof like automotive ones.

Hopefully they have replaced diesel generators with PVs (and batteries)...

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Hopefully they have replaced diesel generators with PVs (and batteries)...

You need backup even if you are on grid because during storms you may loose power for few days and your don't want your freezer to warm up.

tallowood wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

Quote: Hopefully they have replaced diesel generators with PVs (and batteries)... You need backup even if you are on grid because during storms you may loose power for few days and your don't want your freezer to warm up.

People sometimes have to go  without power for days when a fossil powered grid goes down too....

I won't be worrying about backup.

Two States are expected to have power shortages due to the coming heatwaves.

Makes one wonder how they would cope if everyone had electric cars? ::)

Jasin wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 11:01pm:

Two States are expected to have power shortages due to the coming heatwaves. Makes one wonder how they would cope if everyone had electric cars? ::)

Well if everyone (those who can)  had rooftop solar and and batteries, there wouldn't be any power shortages this coming summer.

And most EVs are not being driven at the same time; VtoG EVs  might even be a net benefit for the grid, with excess solar (after house and car batteries are fully chatged,   being sent to the grid.   

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Well if everyone (those who can)  had rooftop solar and and batteries, there wouldn't be any power shortages this coming summer.

So $28k for solar and batteries. And disconnect from the grid? ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

VtoG EVs  might even be a net benefit for the grid, with excess solar (after house and car batteries are fully chatged,   being sent to the grid.

Might? The eternal optimist or should that be optometrist? ::)

lee wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:41pm: Well if everyone (those who can)  had rooftop solar and and batteries, there wouldn't be any power shortages this coming summer. So $28k for solar and batteries. And disconnect from the grid? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:41pm: VtoG EVs  might even be a net benefit for the grid, with excess solar (after house and car batteries are fully chatged,   being sent to the grid.    Might? The eternal optimist or should that be optometrist? ::)

$28K for solar and batteries is not pocket money.   :-?

lee wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:41pm: Well if everyone (those who can)  had rooftop solar and and batteries, there wouldn't be any power shortages this coming summer. So $28k for solar and batteries. And disconnect from the grid? ::)

Not necessary to disconnect  - smart technology is on the way, the problem is getting rid of conflicts of interest among private-sector free-market retailers wholesalers etc

A green grid should be government owned; to avoid greed-based private sector  conflicts of interest.

But yes:  Oz  has (access to ) the necessary  physical  resources to roll out PVs and batteries for home owners, and the Oz treasury (the legal Oz dollar issuer), can subsidize the home owners' solar kits.   


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Might? The eternal optimist or should that be optometrist? ::)

Google VtoG EV tech.

Do try to educate yourself.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 3:02pm:

lee wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 2:48pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:41pm: Well if everyone (those who can)  had rooftop solar and and batteries, there wouldn't be any power shortages this coming summer. So $28k for solar and batteries. And disconnect from the grid? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:41pm: VtoG EVs  might even be a net benefit for the grid, with excess solar (after house and car batteries are fully chatged,   being sent to the grid.    Might? The eternal optimist or should that be optometrist? ::) $28K for solar and batteries is not pocket money.   :-?

Correct, that's why the government should pay for householders' solar kits.

Hint: deficits and debt aren't a problem for a currency-ssuer, if the needed reources for the job are available for purchase by the governement.

You won't be able to explain how government-subsidized home solar kits would cause inflation; in fact a government owned energy system would reduce the price of energy to near zero, when the system is powered by sun and wind.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

Not necessary to disconnect  - smart technology is on the way, the problem is getting rid of conflicts of interest among private-sector free-market retailers wholesalers etc

Ah yes. The smart technology that was supposed to lower prices and hasn't. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

A green grid should be government owned; to avoid greed-based private sector  conflicts of interest.

And of course be responsible for replacements, at no cost. ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

Google VtoG EV tech.

I have. And nowhere is it promised to leave enough charge to drive in the morning. ::)

Another example of headlines only. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:29pm: Not necessary to disconnect  - smart technology is on the way, the problem is getting rid of conflicts of interest among private-sector free-market retailers wholesalers etc Ah yes. The smart technology that was supposed to lower prices and hasn't. ;)

No,  the smart technolgy that will ensure the cheapest electrity, if greedy private sector producers and sellers are shut out of the system.


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And of course be responsible for replacements, at no cost. ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

Of course, and without the expense to consumers of greedy private setor profit-seeking price gougers.



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I have. And nowhere is it promised to leave enough charge to drive in the morning. ::)

Low IQ: an interconnected grid, and VtoG EVs,  covers the entire country.


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..read more than the headlines...

It would be good if YOU read more than the headlines.... 

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:38am:

No,  the smart technolgy that will ensure the cheapest electrity, if greedy private sector producers and sellers are shut out of the system.

And absolutely no proof. AGAIN. ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:38am:

Of course, and without the expense to consumers of greedy private setor profit-seeking price gougers.

Yes, your free money theory. ;D ;D ;D ;D


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:38am:

Low IQ: an interconnected grid, and VtoG EVs,  covers the entire country.

An integrated grid? But you said we didn't need UHT lines everywhere. And of course EV's are not everywhere. ::) Dumb as a bunch of rocks.


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 11:38am:

It would be good if YOU read more than the headlines....

Wow. A non-sequitur. You have shown NO ability to comprehend the most mild of statements. Frequently inferring something not said in your quotes. :-?

https://i.ibb.co/7XHCmNL/483b3a373c1b.jpg

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 12:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 11:38am: No,  the smart technolgy that will ensure the cheapest electrity, if greedy private sector producers and sellers are shut out of the system. And absolutely no proof. AGAIN. ;D ;D ;D

syas the guy who denies AG-CO2 climate change.


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Yes, your free money theory. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wrong again: my intelligent mobilization of resources
'theory', as opposed to the obsolete "invisible hand free-market theory. Do try to keep up.


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An integrated grid?

 

Yep, dummy.


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But you said we didn't need UHT lines everywhere.

We don't dummy, and I didnt say it.


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And of course EV's are not everywhere. ::) Dumb as a bunch of rocks.

EVs will be soon be scattered across the entire country in the rapidly progressing  VtoG system...lee pontificating on dumbness -  excruciating.   


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Wow. A non-sequitur.

Says the guy who doesn't do logic, and rejects  the need to transition from filthy fossils.   

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

syas the guy who denies AG-CO2 climate change.

And yet, once again, you offer no proof. Consensus isn't proof of anything. But you still haven't answered the questions.

1. What do the consensus climate scientists agree on?

2. What do the consensus climate scientists disagree on?

3. What do consensus climate scientists admit they don't know?


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

Wrong again: my intelligent mobilization of resources

And yet you show little if any intelligence. ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

'theory', as opposed to the obsolete "invisible hand free-market theory.

Both theories. One that has worked for over 150 years and one that hasn't worked anywhere. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

Yep, dummy.

So you want rooftop solar, large scale solar, largew scale wind all inegrated. Got it. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

We don't dummy, and I didnt say it.

So how are you going to integrate them? WIFI? ::)


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

EVs will be soon be scattered across the entire country in the rapidly progressing  VtoG system...l

That must be why EV production is being slowed. By Volkswagen etc, because of the extremely fast uptake. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Increasing EV sales as a percentage increase is not how it is really done. Look at EV sales VS ICE vehicle sales. ;)


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

Says the guy who doesn't do logic, and rejects  the need to transition from filthy fossils.

I have applied logic. You merely have your "feelings". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D