The US was informed that Russia would be violently hostile to any US or NATO encroachment on Ukraine and other states bordering Russia.

The US should have been actually aware of such sensitivity given that the USA nearly started a nuclear war in the 60s when Russia was installing missiles in Cuba.

The USA provoked the Ukraine war and refused to allow Ukraine to surrender because this would solidify the fact that the USA lost this war.

The USA lied and is still lying to the global and US public.

The 100s of thousands of dead Ukrainians are a human sacrifice to Uncle Sam's vanity.

"Burns, now CIA Director, was US Ambassador to Russia in 2008, and author of a memo entitled “Nyet means Nyet.” In that memo, Burns explained to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the entire Russian political class, not just Putin, was dead-set against NATO enlargement. We know about the memo only because it was leaked. Otherwise, we’d be in the dark about it."

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/nato-chief-admits-expansion-behind-russian-invasion


Quote:

NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine The continuing U.S. obsession with NATO enlargement is profoundly irresponsible and hypocritical. And now Ukrainians are paying a terrible price. ... ... In testimony to the European Union Parliament, Stoltenberg made clear that it was America’s relentless push to enlarge NATO to Ukraine that was the real cause of the war and why it continues today. Here are Stoltenberg’s revealing words: “The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition to not invade Ukraine. Of course, we didn't sign that. The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second-class membership. We rejected that. So, he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.” To repeat, he [Putin] went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

who cares who is morally in the right about this ukraine bullsh1t


dont feel like thats an interesting question

very circular

im only interested in who is likely to actually win

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

who cares who is morally in the right about this ukraine bullsh1t dont feel like thats an interesting question very circular im only interested in who is likely to actually win

You bloodthirsty old coot. Why don't you put some skin in the game?

The fact is that NATO was never a threat to Russia.
NATO had very low spending on defence before the war and
was more of a symbolic organisation.

LTYC is buying into Russian propaganda.
However - Ukraine did spend the previous 20 years before the war
stealing $billions of Russian gas - they are thieves.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

The fact is that NATO was never a threat to Russia. NATO had very low spending on defence before the war and was more of a symbolic organisation. LTYC is buying into Russian propaganda. However - Ukraine did spend the previous 20 years before the war stealing $billions of Russian gas - they are thieves.

A threat is what the affected party determines it is not what outsiders impose on the affected party.

The threat is a fact.

NATO is a military organization. If NATO installed missiles next to my house and pointed at my house I would feel threatened.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

The fact is that NATO was never a threat to Russia.

It's a pity the UNSC was unable to determine whether Putin was merely being paranoid, or something else (or not), and enforce it's decision.....

Oh.... the veto....

The Ukraine Nazi Blitzkrieg was organised for March 2021. 6 million German-Ukrainian paratroopers vowed their lives to the Fuhrer, gave roses to the kids and prepared to die in Moscow.

It's a pity the UNSC was unable to determine whether Putin was merely being paranoid about a NATO "threat", or something else (or not), and enforce it's decision.....

Oh.... the veto....

LTYC is one of a few who would throw Ukraine under the bus so they don’t have to fear WWIII.

Russia wanted to place nuclear weapons in Cuba. No such desire by NATO.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 7:17pm:

LTYC is one of a few who would throw Ukraine under the bus so they don’t have to fear WWIII. Russia wanted to place nuclear weapons in Cuba. No such desire by NATO.

Why did NATO want to install missiles in Ukraine? NATO was not at war with Russia.

Why use the missile threat when there is no war? Surely the act of imposing such missiles is a threat.

NATO is not a defensive organization. It is an offensive organization.

Biden threw Ukraine under the bus and then p!ssed on them.

Nuclear missiles?

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

Nuclear missiles?

Any missiles.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 5:43pm: The fact is that NATO was never a threat to Russia. NATO had very low spending on defence before the war and was more of a symbolic organisation. LTYC is buying into Russian propaganda. However - Ukraine did spend the previous 20 years before the war stealing $billions of Russian gas - they are thieves. A threat is what the affected party determines it is not what outsiders impose on the affected party. The threat is a fact. NATO is a military organization. If NATO installed missiles next to my house and pointed at my house I would feel threatened.

We've all get ICBM missiles pointed at as.

It's criminal but there's nothing we can do to stop it.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 8:01pm: Nuclear missiles? Any missiles.

BIG difference between offensive nuclear weapons and conventional defensive weapons.

It is not weapons caused russia to invade Ukraine.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 6:22pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 5:43pm: The fact is that NATO was never a threat to Russia. NATO had very low spending on defence before the war and was more of a symbolic organisation. LTYC is buying into Russian propaganda. However - Ukraine did spend the previous 20 years before the war stealing $billions of Russian gas - they are thieves. A threat is what the affected party determines it is not what outsiders impose on the affected party. The threat is a fact. NATO is a military organization. If NATO installed missiles next to my house and pointed at my house I would feel threatened. We've all get ICBM missiles pointed at as. It's criminal but there's nothing we can do to stop it.

The Russians are doing something about it.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 8:25pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 6:22pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 5:43pm: The fact is that NATO was never a threat to Russia. NATO had very low spending on defence before the war and was more of a symbolic organisation. LTYC is buying into Russian propaganda. However - Ukraine did spend the previous 20 years before the war stealing $billions of Russian gas - they are thieves. A threat is what the affected party determines it is not what outsiders impose on the affected party. The threat is a fact. NATO is a military organization. If NATO installed missiles next to my house and pointed at my house I would feel threatened. We've all get ICBM missiles pointed at as. It's criminal but there's nothing we can do to stop it. The Russians are doing something about it.

The dirty Russians have ICBMs pointed at all our cities.

We'd all be toast if they pressed the button.
We have no missile defence - nothing.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:34pm:

... The dirty Russians have ICBMs pointed at all our cities. We'd all be toast if they pressed the button. We have no missile defence - nothing.

Uncle Sam is poncing about and bitch-slapping other world leaders and declaring them enemies.

Is it any wonder they raised their hackles?

Ukraine has no nuclear weapons, surrendered them all to russia, remember?

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:49pm:

Ukraine has no nuclear weapons, surrendered them all to russia, remember?

That was a condition of their independence.

Now Ukraine has a new guardian. Uncle Sam.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 8:34pm: ... The dirty Russians have ICBMs pointed at all our cities. We'd all be toast if they pressed the button. We have no missile defence - nothing. Uncle Sam is poncing about and bitch-slapping other world leaders and declaring them enemies. Is it any wonder they raised their hackles?

Stop supporting Russians -
they have nukes pointed at you.

The co-ordinates are already programmed in.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:51pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 8:49pm: Ukraine has no nuclear weapons, surrendered them all to russia, remember? That was a condition of their independence. Now Ukraine has a new guardian. Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam is not in Ukraine.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 8:51pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 8:49pm: Ukraine has no nuclear weapons, surrendered them all to russia, remember? That was a condition of their independence. Now Ukraine has a new guardian. Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam is not in Ukraine.

That's how you know he's there. You can't see him.