Was it just a blip in automotive history?

If so, what's next?

If it is hydrogen, where will the fuel come from? At what price?

https://au.news.yahoo.com/tesla-graveyard-photo-shows-major-shift-in-aussie-ev-market-222758407.html


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Tesla 'graveyard' photo shows major shift in Aussie EV market In Victoria alone, some 2000 Teslas arrive in Port Melbourne every month without any buyers. And they're starting to pile up. Joe Attanasio·Senior Reporter 4 June 2024·4-min read Thousands of Teslas are sitting idle at Australian ports as interest in electric vehicles stalls and new and more affordable options enter the Australian market. Aerial photos of a port in Melbourne highlight the dramatic shift as Teslas that once rolled off the assembly line to eager buyers now simply wait to find a home. The aerial vision was captured by 7News with the network melodramatically referring to the scene as a "Tesla graveyard". However it does illustrate the changing gears of the Aussie EV market which has been full speed ahead in recent years. Industry experts warn the slowing rise in sales is the result of a lack of proper infrastructure coupled with the fact that people are becoming more price conscious, particularly as more options hit the market. ...

Toyota sold more hybrids last year compared to all brands of EV's combined.

You can still drive a hybrid when it has a flat battery.
Hybrids are good for around 25km on electric power which makes them good for short trips like shopping.


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‘Screwed’: Aussies trying to sell their used Teslas face massive challenges Trying to sell a second hand Tesla is taking years in some cases and requiring hefty discounts, sparking anger among owners of the once-hot cars. A second hand Tesla that’s been listed for sale for the past four years without finding a buyer offers a stark insight into the challenges faced by Australians trying to offload older used electric vehicles. The 2015 Model S in question is almost a decade old and has 115,000 kilometres on the clock, with some visible wear and tear across its interior. Despite its age and the fact it’s sat unsold since July 2020, the current owner is seeking $86,800, although the price has been discounted by almost $16,000 over the years. Used car valuations site RedBook puts the guide for such a car in a considerably lower range of $51,400 to $57,300. It’s one of almost 1000 used Teslas currently listed on carsales.com.au, ranging from a sleek 2011 Roadster for $349,000 to a stock standard 2019 Model 3 for just $32,000. Analysis by news.com.au shows a large number of those vehicles for sale have been languishing for several months and up to two years. “Second hand EVs do pose some challenges for retailers and private sellers at the moment,” Michael Costello from Cox Automotive Australia, which owns the Manheim wholesale auction house, told news.com.au. And then there’s customer anxiety over ageing batteries, which can cost anywhere between $10,000 and $20,000 to replace. “A lack of clarity for consumers around battery longevity beyond the eight-year warranty, and a lack of battery health tests to reassure used buyers, [is another reason].” Some used Teslas haven’t held their value well over the past few years. “If we look at Tesla specifically, the average residual sold value of a three to four year old Model 3 sold in the past six months is about 65 per cent – or two-thirds of the original new list price. “By contrast the average retained value of a 2020-build Toyota Camry sold in 2024 is more like 90 per cent, and a Mazda 6 is about 75 per cent.” Analysing the current market for used Teslas on car sale sites, the Model X seems particularly challenging to move, with a number of listings active for up to two years or more. Used Teslas ‘completely worthless’ “Vehicles with the strongest retained values are largely sought after and reliable Japanese makes in both the passenger car and SUV segments as well as in the 2-4 year and 5-7 year categories,” he said. https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/screwed-aussies-trying-to-sell-their-used-teslas-face-massive-challenges/news-story/2f140cb5a8cbda0f794e12ddebdc462b

Tesla don't sell spare parts if car needs anything it has to go back to Tesla dealer. Tesla don't release any workshop manuals so mechanics don't know how to fix anything from battery to electric motors.

The average mechanic wouldn't be able to tell you if a used Tesla or EV is worth buying they don't have the knowledge to check all parts of electric drivetrain.
These electric cars will be scrapped around 10 years of age.

A well maintained petrol/diesel will last 20+ years with plastic bits and some electronics failing yet still running OK.

A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle uses electric motor takes electron from Hydrogen atom to recharge battery could be good it will have to go back to dealer to fix anything as just about every mechanic will have no idea how to fix it.
They haven't been around long enough to know what fails first and how expensive they are to fix.

Toyota hybrids are the go they have perfected it from Prius experience.

See my previous thread

Was buying a byd dolphin.

Very impressed with the car till explained the waiting list.

I'm still on it and happy to blow away the $200 deposit if a Mazda 2 becoming available.

I suggest that once Albo is gone everything including the billions for ev info structure will disappear.

Albos poured tax payers dollars into electric vehicles.

Not sure why, let's wait and see what X politicians end up employed in China car companies?

Also the premium on my home insurance to charge a electrical vehicle I only just discovered.

Doing the sums despite Albos support for Chinese imports the sums aren't in their favour.

Without the government support?

No one be buying them, not a confident booster

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

Also the premium on my home insurance to charge a electrical vehicle I only just discovered. Doing the sums despite Albos support for Chinese imports the sums aren't in their favour. Without the government support? No one be buying them, not a confident booster

My provider(Red Energy)gives quite large concessions to EV users. How much more is your insurance? It's a far better deal than I get as a feed in. I wonder if they balance out. No EV here, looking to buy another 8.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

Was it just a blip in automotive history? If so, what's next? If it is hydrogen, where will the fuel come from? At what price?

If I could dream a dream... NASA would create a self-contained, solar-powered technology that extracts hydrogen from water for their Mars missions (Ice in that case) that would trickle down to consumer-grade tech that would allow us to collect rooftop solar and rainwater, convert it to hydrogen and run our cars off that.

The more hydrogen we can add to our energy mix the better.