Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-)

Stealing the children was an act of genocide.

The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals.

There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide.

Yet you are still here, Throbbo.
Please explain why you haven't buggered off already to somewhere less wacist and genocidal.

Like the white man's welfare, Throbbo? Eh?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-)

Aboriginals attack each other with spears and nulla-nullas in broad daylight in Alice Springs after snap curfew
https://www.noticer.news/alice-springs-brawl-spears-aboriginals-curfew/



Each other?? How is that even possible! I thought only white wacist supremacists hurt proud, sainted Aborigine ones?!

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide.

Wasn't a very effective one then - funny thing - taking those children into care pretty much guaranteed their survival and so they all went on to reproduce and grow extended families..... funny how that works, eh?  Now they are the educated and activist ones.... even the overpaid football players marry wharte women - money and pussy are inseparable ... but they don't often marry Aboriginal women, do they?  I think the near local lad Latrelle Mitchell is married to an Aboriginal lady.

The fundamental difference between lies/propaganda and reality.

Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world?

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) Aboriginals attack each other with spears and nulla-nullas in broad daylight in Alice Springs after snap curfew https://www.noticer.news/alice-springs-brawl-spears-aboriginals-curfew/ Each other?? How is that even possible! I thought only white wacist supremacists hurt proud, sainted Aborigine ones?!

https://www.noticer.news/alice-springs-brawl-spears-aboriginals-curfew/

Nah... nah .... them's YOUTHS .... not Aborigines...

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide.

An "Aunty" of mine -- not so much now, as she was 20 years ago -- was a member of the Stolen Generation. Although she does not know of the experience of other stolen generation people, she said that her experience of being adopted out was quite beneficial.

It was a type of "ethnic cleansing" would be the way I would describe the stolen generations issue. And it was racist.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 4:15pm:

... Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world?

Thanks for the invitation but Grappler's real world is full of hate, bigotry, racism, and misogyny.

Grappler's world is full and has a 'no-blacks' sign hanging on the front.

Need a bit more of it

[media]https://youtu.be/xGNYeZzXSec?si=seKxgu_F_y_l8K7J[/media]

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 6:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 4:15pm: ... Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world? Thanks for the invitation but Grappler's real world is full of hate, bigotry, racism, and misogyny. Grappler's world is full and has a 'no-blacks' sign hanging on the front.

Good Blacks welcome - Hamas Luvvahs to hell NOW!

'Stolen Generations' are thriving and expanding...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 8:26pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 6:52pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 4:15pm: ... Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world? Thanks for the invitation but Grappler's real world is full of hate, bigotry, racism, and misogyny. Grappler's world is full and has a 'no-blacks' sign hanging on the front. Good Blacks welcome - Hamas Luvvahs to hell NOW! 'Stolen Generations' are thriving and expanding...

Nobody would steal Grappler even if it was lucrative.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 9:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 8:26pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 6:52pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 4:15pm: ... Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world? Thanks for the invitation but Grappler's real world is full of hate, bigotry, racism, and misogyny. Grappler's world is full and has a 'no-blacks' sign hanging on the front. Good Blacks welcome - Hamas Luvvahs to hell NOW! 'Stolen Generations' are thriving and expanding... Nobody would steal Grappler even if it was lucrative.

Well - nobody would take Gaza now if it was free....

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-)

There's not one truthful article you have ever posted.

Just continuations of  Aboriginal "victimhood status".

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide.

Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. An "Aunty" of mine -- not so much now, as she was 20 years ago -- was a member of the Stolen Generation. Although she does not know of the experience of other stolen generation people, she said that her experience of being adopted out was quite beneficial. It was a type of "ethnic cleansing" would be the way I would describe the stolen generations issue. And it was racist.

That's your opinion & it's bollocks.

What of all the other non Aboriginal children removed from their families( for many reasons) & adopted out?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 4:15pm:

Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world?

You first.  I dare you a week to go without lying to gaslighting to reject reality for something you prefer or think you can argue against.

It's an absolute impossibility for you. 

But at least you admitted to your lies, that's something I guess.

Gnads wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) There's not one truthful article you have ever posted. Just continuations of  Aboriginal "victimhood status".

Says one of the whiney bitches still complaining about the voice after it was voted down...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) There's not one truthful article you have ever posted. Just continuations of  Aboriginal "victimhood status". Says one of the whiney bitches still complaining about the voice after it was voted down...

Yeah - but the Zombie Voice is up and running.... shouting loud and clear .... and nobody wants it.....

https://i.imgur.com/qJbA5tL.gif

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 4:15pm: Don't some of you think it's time you woke up to reality?  Dropped all this racist BS and got into the real world? You first.  I dare you a week to go without lying to gaslighting to reject reality for something you prefer or think you can argue against. It's an absolute impossibility for you.  But at least you admitted to your lies, that's something I guess.

What about that dire threat to reveal all about my ' fighting against measures to protect women and children'?  Are you getting your online 'enemies' confused again - or is it just a natural state for you?  You are getting so desperate - and you still aren't making any headway... the voice was voted down - the Zombie Voice will meet the same fate the moment the people get a vote.... the 'stolen generations' have done pretty well and have huge families of descendants.... just like the 'survivors' of the Frontier Wars ... Appin Massacre remember?  Murder in cowardly fashion sixteen Whites, including women and children,  and you get a descendant of one of the women spared by the punitive party complaining about a 'massacre' of those who did it, while they were fighting the punishment detail.  Where are the descendants of the Whites they murdered?  what life did those children have?

Get your mind right, Nazi.

Gnads wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay.

Gnads professes expert knowledge of shyte?

Professor Gnads chair at the University of shyte is made from porcelain.

Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay.

.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay.

Is that why Grappler exists and has not been flushed, and festers with a coat of blowflies?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:51pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay. Gnads professes expert knowledge of shyte? Professor Gnads chair at the University of shyte is made from porcelain.

And your anal fixation?

Is it always in the vicinity of porcelain in public or private?

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:51pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay. Gnads professes expert knowledge of shyte? Professor Gnads chair at the University of shyte is made from porcelain. And your anal fixation? Is it always in the vicinity of porcelain in public or private?

Is Gnads buying or selling?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 5:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15th, 2024 at 3:01pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:51pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay. Gnads professes expert knowledge of shyte? Professor Gnads chair at the University of shyte is made from porcelain. And your anal fixation? Is it always in the vicinity of porcelain in public or private? Is Gnads buying or selling?

Answering a question with a question is deception.

You are very good at that ... probably why you have an affinity with Hamas terrorists.

I fear your mates in Gaza would throw you off a tall building ... they don't cotton to turd burglars like you.

They weren't stolen - they were booked into the panel beaters and mechanical repair shop for upgrade and refubishment.

Restored Generations.

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 6:38pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15th, 2024 at 5:55pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 15th, 2024 at 3:01pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:51pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay. Gnads professes expert knowledge of shyte? Professor Gnads chair at the University of shyte is made from porcelain. And your anal fixation? Is it always in the vicinity of porcelain in public or private? Is Gnads buying or selling? Answering a question with a question is deception. You are very good at that ... probably why you have an affinity with Hamas terrorists. I fear your mates in Gaza would throw you off a tall building ... they don't cotton to turd burglars like you.

They prefer and love professional turd burglars like Gnads?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15th, 2024 at 6:38pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15th, 2024 at 5:55pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 15th, 2024 at 3:01pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:51pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Stealing the children was an act of genocide. The first step to the extermination of Australian Aboriginals. There was no benevolent motive. It was racism and genocide. Even with your anal fixation you wouldn't know shyte from clay. Gnads professes expert knowledge of shyte? Professor Gnads chair at the University of shyte is made from porcelain. And your anal fixation? Is it always in the vicinity of porcelain in public or private? Is Gnads buying or selling? Answering a question with a question is deception. You are very good at that ... probably why you have an affinity with Hamas terrorists. I fear your mates in Gaza would throw you off a tall building ... they don't cotton to turd burglars like you. They prefer and love professional turd burglars like Gnads?

No second prizes Numbnuts.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-)

I watched something similar about 2 months ago for my "Aboriginal and TSI cultural sensitivity" subject for university.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 1:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) I watched something similar about 2 months ago for my "Aboriginal and TSI cultural sensitivity" subject for university.

Yeah - we're big, tough, brave, heroic warrior fighters and survivors of this harsh land and we don't take no shot from anyone.... but be careful of our feelings, eh, bro?

The perpetually ready to be aggrieved... a form of bullying - watch out for me and around me or I'll get upset... if I get upset I might lash out.... or find some way of getting you into trouble ....  it's like dealing with children.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) There's not one truthful article you have ever posted. Just continuations of  Aboriginal "victimhood status". Says one of the whiney bitches still complaining about the voice after it was voted down...

Says one of the repetitive thick lefty arseholes who fail to comprehend that despite the referendum being voted down there is a continuing agenda of division by race favouring
3.2% of the population through the state & federal govts. Courtesy of what the Voice was based on - the Uluru Statement of Wheeze Gonna Get Everything.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 1:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) I watched something similar about 2 months ago for my "Aboriginal and TSI cultural sensitivity" subject for university. Yeah - we're big, tough, brave, heroic warrior fighters and survivors of this harsh land and we don't take no shot from anyone.... but be careful of our feelings, eh, bro? The perpetually ready to be aggrieved... a form of bullying - watch out for me and around me or I'll get upset... if I get upset I might lash out.... or find some way of getting you into trouble ....  it's like dealing with children.

You have that right 100%

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 2:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 2:06pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) There's not one truthful article you have ever posted. Just continuations of  Aboriginal "victimhood status". Says one of the whiney bitches still complaining about the voice after it was voted down... Says one of the repetitive thick lefty arseholes who fail to comprehend that despite the referendum being voted down there is a continuing agenda of division by race favouring 3.2% of the population through the state & federal govts. Courtesy of what the Voice was based on - the Uluru Statement of Wheeze Gonna Get Everything.

Twiggered?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 1:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Stolen Generations documentary to further truth telling, justice and healing across WA - wonder how many here will see this?  It is confronting. 8-) I watched something similar about 2 months ago for my "Aboriginal and TSI cultural sensitivity" subject for university. Yeah - we're big, tough, brave, heroic warrior fighters and survivors of this harsh land and we don't take no shot from anyone.... but be careful of our feelings, eh, bro? The perpetually ready to be aggrieved... a form of bullying - watch out for me and around me or I'll get upset... if I get upset I might lash out.... or find some way of getting you into trouble ....  it's like dealing with children.

No, not at all. I will go back to the video later and post it up for you. But, this lady's story was that she was adopted into a well-to-do family and lived as a white person. But, when she found out that she was a Stolen Generation person, she sought out her mother. Her mother had died (2) years before this lady found out her heritage.

The lady said that she does acknowledge how lucky she was to be adopted into a decent family. She loves her adoptive parents. But, she wished that she knew her birth mother before she passed away.

Plenty of triggering and infighting going on - all to distract from the reality that the country is going down fast...

At least I bother to dig Albo in the ribs about party policies and such... try to push him back onto the road.... waste of time, I know - the apron string brigade would use those to strangle him if he got off their rails... he's not the Man we need to save the country .... but I can try to push him along...

.... and out of the West there came a man of heroic nature and proportions.... carrying a pair of balls fit for a soccer game...

I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 6:21am:

I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity.

Cool as a cucumber objectivity.... you'll learn ...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 6:21am: I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity. Cool as a cucumber objectivity.... you'll learn ...

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Fh92a_ivY4oAAAAd/im-good-enough-im-smart-enough.gif

Desperate... very desperate..... childish  ... very childish .... chum ...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 4:05pm:

Desperate... very desperate..... childish  ... very childish .... chum ...

Tell yourself whatever affirmation you need to so you safe space doesn't crumble around you.

Rescued and helped to a better life.... and doing well with huge descendant families ...

Oooh - snarky now - 'safe space' ... that's nearly as bad as the old 'champ', champ ..... I AM a safe space for all who will come to be taught...

Do you agree, slick?  I'm not trying to rattle the bars on your safe space.....

What's your next move?  Sarcasm WAS the lowest form of wit .... but you beat it hands down....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 6:45pm:

Rescued and helped to a better life.... and doing well with huge descendant families ... Oooh - snarky now - 'safe space' ... that's nearly as bad as the old 'champ', champ ..... I AM a safe space for all who will come to be taught... Do you agree, slick?  I'm not trying to rattle the bars on your safe space..... What's your next move?  Sarcasm WAS the lowest form of wit .... but you beat it hands down....

I've tried taking your drivel at face value, treating you with far more respect than you deserve given your past wishes for shooting Indigenous Australians on sight, or only 90% of them, look back with disappointment that the British didn't wipe out all the natives when they had the chance and generally push white supremacist talking points.

I even provided you with evidence and facts to back up my claims, and more importantly, show you where yours are false.

And each time you double down, continue to lie and ignore anything that doesn't align with your beliefs, as dark and twisted as they are.

You're literally keeping yourself in your own safe space so you don't need to challenge your views as reality would dictate.

If you don't like being called out about it, then change. Be better.

After all of that, you still expect me not to throw a little shade your way, shade in the form of ridiculing your affirmations when someone else called you out, especially in the shadow of you lobbing death threats my way before...

You expect me to treat you better than you have me?

Please...

Are you getting senile or something? 

Just borrowed for a run around town ................... nobody stole them .....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 6:21am: I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity. Cool as a cucumber objectivity.... you'll learn ...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:

Plenty of triggering and infighting going on - all to distract from the reality that the country is going down fast... At least I bother to dig Albo in the ribs about party policies and such... try to push him back onto the road.... waste of time, I know - the apron string brigade would use those to strangle him if he got off their rails... he's not the Man we need to save the country .... but I can try to push him along... .... and out of the West there came a man of heroic nature and proportions.... carrying a pair of balls fit for a soccer game...

To this is what I was responding. You don't know what you are talking about. We are better off now than we were 20 years ago. Australia is reaching a golden age.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 4:05pm:

Desperate... very desperate..... childish  ... very childish .... chum ...

I think Sad Kangaroo has a valid point, even if he could have said it better without resorting to using memes.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 1:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 6:21am: I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity. Cool as a cucumber objectivity.... you'll learn ... Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 4:08pm: Plenty of triggering and infighting going on - all to distract from the reality that the country is going down fast... At least I bother to dig Albo in the ribs about party policies and such... try to push him back onto the road.... waste of time, I know - the apron string brigade would use those to strangle him if he got off their rails... he's not the Man we need to save the country .... but I can try to push him along... .... and out of the West there came a man of heroic nature and proportions.... carrying a pair of balls fit for a soccer game... To this is what I was responding. You don't know what you are talking about. We are better off now than we were 20 years ago. Australia is reaching a golden age.

Let's wait on that one..... you are very wrong.  I know exactly what I am talking about, and you are dreaming.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:08am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 4:05pm: Desperate... very desperate..... childish  ... very childish .... chum ... I think Sad Kangaroo has a valid point, even if he could have said it better without resorting to using memes.

Then what is his valid point?  Don't beat around the bushes.

He just doesn't understand that the voice was only the foot in the door, but the whole deal is one and the same and all written out in their equivalent of Mein Kampf.  Seems you've missed every point about the voice.

Let's see what the next set of elections tell us about the voice by stealth done by the states.  Every single online comment in other areas is totally against every such move.... and people are angry at being treated in that way.

Tell me how Australia is entering a golden age....... lay it all out for us.

No, Grappler. I interact with indigenous Australians at work, socially, and in my neighbourhood. They have their own ideas that they like to put forward about how to give a better quality of life for ATSI people. They occasionally write away to federal, state and local members of parliament and councils.

When I finish my assessment, I will give you some ideas of what they wrote, and some of what I put forward to help alleviate the socioeconomic "Gap" between indigenous and non-indigenous people.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:10am:

Let's wait on that one..... you are very wrong.  I know exactly what I am talking about, and you are dreaming.

I would be honoured if you could objectively tell me what you are talking about. None of these colloquialisms, racial stereotypes, and strawman arguments. Tell me your exact position on the "Stolen Generations" topic. Or send me a link to a post of yours where you have made your position clear to someone like me.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 9:51pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 6:45pm: Rescued and helped to a better life.... and doing well with huge descendant families ... Oooh - snarky now - 'safe space' ... that's nearly as bad as the old 'champ', champ ..... I AM a safe space for all who will come to be taught... Do you agree, slick?  I'm not trying to rattle the bars on your safe space..... What's your next move?  Sarcasm WAS the lowest form of wit .... but you beat it hands down.... I've tried taking your drivel at face value, treating you with far more respect than you deserve given your past wishes for shooting Indigenous Australians on sight, or only 90% of them, look back with disappointment that the British didn't wipe out all the natives when they had the chance and generally push white supremacist talking points. I even provided you with evidence and facts to back up my claims, and more importantly, show you where yours are false. And each time you double down, continue to lie and ignore anything that doesn't align with your beliefs, as dark and twisted as they are. You're literally keeping yourself in your own safe space so you don't need to challenge your views as reality would dictate. If you don't like being called out about it, then change. Be better. After all of that, you still expect me not to throw a little shade your way, shade in the form of ridiculing your affirmations when someone else called you out, especially in the shadow of you lobbing death threats my way before... You expect me to treat you better than you have me? Please... Are you getting senile or something?

Now you're talking like the sock handler we all know ........ same phrases ....  YOU are the one who started with the puerile attempt at belittlement, champ.   You doubled down on everything and you are still totally wrong and always will be.

The voice was simply one part of the whole deal.... and you know it.... and it wasn't anything separate.... and it wasn't about consultation, was it.

Let's see now, champ - if a voice was needed for consultation, why is it that there are so many things going on now - claims for land and such endless and all the other stuff - where is there any lack of 'consultation' that needed a special overpaid for patch inside Parliament and Constitution to directly place demands on government at all levels?

Where was the equivalent body for everyone else, or for any other group for that matter?

Why should anyone even bother to listen to the Aborigines who play up and break statues and light fires and engage in constant crime against Whitey?  Just give in to terrorism?  One day if this continues, someone will put a stop to it.... as this stupid government continues to pour more people in, how long do you imagine they will put up with these big claims for land never used by the claimants, just because they feel it?  Do you really think that will just go on and on?

You can carry on and on and tell lies about what I actually said - you've been told over and over what the true facts of your lies are .... you are still totally wrong, you are hysterical, you are a liar, and your voice in any form is dead, slim.   8-)  If you don't like being called out about it, then change. Be better.

Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:25am:

Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again.....

I was. But, now, I am going sober. Checking security cameras, right now.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 12:25am: Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again..... I was. But, now, I am going sober. Checking security cameras, right now.

Good idea.. hear some bad stories of up there.  Shame really.  The Queenslund government is under pressure to install a 'do the adult crime - do the adult time' rule, and reports on youth crime are every day.

I once met three guys who assaulted a pizza delivery guy for a few bucks - one of them had a knife which really pissed the other two off ... they all got around eighteen months.  An Aboriginal bloke I knew laughed his head off... they got a month for every dollar or something... now that's dumb.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-qld/explained-qlds-youth-crime-crisis-laid-bare/news-story/c1589812a1c9c96798763b0d46afced7

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 1:14am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 12:36am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 12:25am: Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again..... I was. But, now, I am going sober. Checking security cameras, right now. Good idea.. hear some bad stories of up there.  Shame really.  The Queenslund government is under pressure to install a 'do the adult crime - do the adult time' rule, and reports on youth crime are every day. I once met three guys who assaulted a pizza delivery guy for a few bucks - one of them had a knife which really pissed the other two off ... they all got around eighteen months.  An Aboriginal bloke I knew laughed his head off... they got a month for every dollar or something... now that's dumb. https://www.couriermail.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-qld/explained-qlds-youth-crime-crisis-laid-bare/news-story/c1589812a1c9c96798763b0d46afced7

Back when I was 20 years old, I delivered pizzas. I was mugged once. But, it was just for my pizzas. They ordered a bunch of pizzas and sides. When I got to the address, it did not look right. But, that was back in the days when I had not yet got my mobile phone, yet. The phone number they gave was bogus anyway. I saw them stick their heads around the corner. So, I tried to do my delivery. When I went to ask for the money, they claimed that they did not have enough money. Obviously, the delivery was for the purpose of juveniles mugging a delivery driver, to their amusement. One of them shoved the carry bags I was carrying into my face and then grabbed the top carry bag and took off. His off-sider thought of getting the other bag to steal, but I had my "not amused" look on my face, and he knew that he was going to get his super morbidly obese face smacked in, if he tried. Geez, I thought I was fat. But, this guy was like a short Michelin Man.

Anyway, they both likely identified as Indigenous, even though both had blondish hair. The store got its carry bag back, which was quite important to the store franchisee. Nothing has come of the mugging. The police dog squad lost contact with them around an abandoned house. Maybe they learned the indigenous art of blending into the surroundings, like that aboriginal tracker in Crocodile Dundee 2.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:25am:

Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again.....

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And that sums you up in a nutshell. Precious. just simply precious.

Don't disagree with Crappler because he will hold a grudge forever and whether he agrees or disagrees with you on a debating forum is far more about his feelings that thought or idea.

It's beyond pathetic. Primary school stuff.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:25am:

Now you're talking like the sock handler we all know ........ same phrases ....  YOU are the one who started with the puerile attempt at belittlement, champ.   You doubled down on everything and you are still totally wrong and always will be.

You're dealing in opinion, I'm dealing in facts.  There is a huge difference.

FACT: The Voice was a proposal to create an indigenous advisory body to parliament, enshrined in the constitution. 

FACT: It was a recommendation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart.

FACT: The Uluru Statement was presented in May 2017 by delegates to the First Nations National Constitutional Convention.

FACT: The question that was put to the Australian people at the 2023 referendum was:

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

Australia voted no.

Now we get to what you're dealing with,

OPINION: The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....

The facts don't support your opinion and how you choose to use the term "The Voice".

You can try to project your own doubling down onto me all you like, reality is there in black and white.


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The voice was simply one part of the whole deal.... and you know it.... and it wasn't anything separate.... and it wasn't about consultation, was it.

Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of".

Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza.

Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change.


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Let's see now, champ - if a voice was needed for consultation, why is it that there are so many things going on now - claims for land and such endless and all the other stuff - where is there any lack of 'consultation' that needed a special overpaid for patch inside Parliament and Constitution to directly place demands on government at all levels? Where was the equivalent body for everyone else, or for any other group for that matter? Why should anyone even bother to listen to the Aborigines who play up and break statues and light fires and engage in constant crime against Whitey?  Just give in to terrorism?  One day if this continues, someone will put a stop to it.... as this stupid government continues to pour more people in, how long do you imagine they will put up with these big claims for land never used by the claimants, just because they feel it?  Do you really think that will just go on and on?

We're already dragging this thread off topic, but the dispute was never the merits of the voice or the results of the referendum.

It was that you were pointing to things like coroners' reports into preventable Indigenous deaths in custody, plans to boost local tourism to Uluru and other entirely arbitrary, but Indigenous-linked stories as evidence of "The Voice by stealth" when they have nothing to do with the Voice.

Over time you've admitted that you're just calling everything "The Voice" for convenience's sake, but that doesn't change what it was.

It's been going on and on for months because you're trying to redefine what the voice means to suit your argument and you double down and change the goal posts each time to try to justify it.

I've been consistent from the beginning, because I'm dealing in facts.

You seem to want to paint yourself as the victim of people, private or public, doing things against the wishes of the nation since the voice referendum was voted down, so if you call everything the voice, you can claim it's being implemented by stealth, subverting democracy.

That's bullshit.  People may be trying to further other elements of the Uluru Statement, but that's not the voice.

Remember, Cheese ≠ Pizza.

You might not like being called out, in fact, it seems to utterly infuriate you, but if you don't like it, be better. 

Deal in the truth and facts, not redefine things to suit your beliefs and try to elicit sympathetic support from others.


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You can carry on and on and tell lies about what I actually said - you've been told over and over what the true facts of your lies are .... you are still totally wrong, you are hysterical, you are a liar, and your voice in any form is dead, slim.   8-)  If you don't like being called out about it, then change. Be better. Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again.....

I encourage you to quote these lies you think I've told, perhaps in a more appropriate thread, and we can address those claims.

I've pointed out yours and your response has been to just flip the script and accuse me of lying, so let's do it.

May I suggest here?

mothra wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 12:25am: Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again..... quote] And that sums you up in a nutshell. Precious. just simply precious. Don't disagree with Crappler because he will hold a grudge forever and whether he agrees or disagrees with you on a debating forum is far more about his feelings that thought or idea. It's beyond pathetic. Primary school stuff.

It is okay, mothra. I can fight my own battles. Grappler knows what is going on in my life, as I explained to him privately. He was just reacting to my wowser-like tone responses.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:40am:

mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:07am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 12:25am: Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again..... quote] And that sums you up in a nutshell. Precious. just simply precious. Don't disagree with Crappler because he will hold a grudge forever and whether he agrees or disagrees with you on a debating forum is far more about his feelings that thought or idea. It's beyond pathetic. Primary school stuff. It is okay, mothra. I can fight my own battles. Grappler knows what is going on in my life, as I explained to him privately. He was just reacting to my wowser-like tone responses.

I was making a point, not fighting for you. And a point that exists outside of the example of you.

My point stands.

Crappler is precious.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:19am:

Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of". Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza. Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change.

Interesting that you used cheese on pizza as an analogy. "Cheese pizza" is a euphemism in the child predator community to indicate "child porn". Having watched numerous Child Predator Catcher videos on youtube, it is amazing how prevalent the problem of child abuse is in the United States.

But, child abuse is prevalent in indigenous Australian communities, moreso. How would the Voice to Parliament go about in mitigating or preventing child abuse in the indigenous community?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:19am: Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of". Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza. Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change. Interesting that you used cheese on pizza as an analogy. "Cheese pizza" is a euphemism in the child predator community to indicate "child porn". Having watched numerous Child Predator Catcher videos on youtube, it is amazing how prevalent the problem of child abuse is in the United States. But, child abuse is prevalent in indigenous Australian communities, moreso. How would the Voice to Parliament go about in mitigating or preventing child abuse in the indigenous community?

Because, as has been explained to you lot more times than i've had hot breakfasts, the actual voiced of Aboriginal people are usually lost in the great beurocratic highway that exists between Canberra and the people on the land.

The Voice was all about remedying that. A direct Voice, only on issues pertaining to Indigenous people to any sitting government, regardless of partisanship.

It was really no more than that.

The murdoch started up his campaign and you all got terrified.

mothra wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:40am: mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:07am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 12:25am: Rocky must be back on the piss - remind me to never defend him again..... quote] And that sums you up in a nutshell. Precious. just simply precious. Don't disagree with Crappler because he will hold a grudge forever and whether he agrees or disagrees with you on a debating forum is far more about his feelings that thought or idea. It's beyond pathetic. Primary school stuff. It is okay, mothra. I can fight my own battles. Grappler knows what is going on in my life, as I explained to him privately. He was just reacting to my wowser-like tone responses. I was making a point, not fighting for you. And a point that exists outside of the example of you. My point stands. Crappler is precious.

You did respond by quoting something Grappler said about my recent drinking issues.  But, thank you for the implied defence of me, even if you meant more of a critique of Grappler's personal attacks in general.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:19am: Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of". Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza. Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change. Interesting that you used cheese on pizza as an analogy. "Cheese pizza" is a euphemism in the child predator community to indicate "child porn".

I'd forgotten about that... I suppose with the recent happenings with Trump we should expect more Q like behaviour returning to the front page...

I just picked a food and one of the ingredients to make a point, but if you hadn't deflected it, I'm sure Grap would have.


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Having watched numerous Child Predator Catcher videos on youtube, it is amazing how prevalent the problem of child abuse is in the United States. But, child abuse is prevalent in indigenous Australian communities, moreso. How would the Voice to Parliament go about in mitigating or preventing child abuse in the indigenous community?

That's moot because we voted down the voice.

Again, the dispute was never on the merits of the Voice.  The people have spoken on that subject.  It was more about what the Voice actually was.

Grap has decided it can be whatever he wants it to be, so he can claim that whatever he's chosen to be the voice at any given moment is bad because we voted against it.

Even though, to pluck one of the examples of the things he stated was an example of "the voice by stealth", an effort to increase tourism to Uluru is not in fact what we voted on at the referendum.

mothra wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

Because, as has been explained to you lot more times than i've had hot breakfasts, the actual voiced of Aboriginal people are usually lost in the great beurocratic highway that exists between Canberra and the people on the land. The Voice was all about remedying that. A direct Voice, only on issues pertaining to Indigenous people to any sitting government, regardless of partisanship. It was really no more than that. The murdoch started up his campaign and you all got terrified.

Really?  and who runs this 'bureaucratic highway'?  Who gets all the sweet jobs in it? Hmmmmm????

The voice was not about remedying anything - it was about establishing a special fully paid for place in Parliament from which to affect anything it felt it had a right to - and was just another example of the sweet jobs for the special ones.. even the sock Sad Kanga tries desperately to hold to the propaganda that it was only an advisory body.... in which case why did it need a special seat inside Parliament and inside the constitution?

I don't see any lack of representation going on these days.... take a look at the state lawfare lists I've been drawing up (that they draw the ire of Sacka speaks volumes - another houso and truth evader) ... plenty of consultation going on there for one side only ........  (heh, heh, heh).... when you see that it's no wonder the people rejected the voice proposal ....

Now then - here's the deal - we check all your 'land claims' massively in the past, and for lands occupied under the old rules of Imperialism By Spearpoint and lack of people numbers anyway, and which you lost anyway along the way - we offer you native title rights to free and shared usage with all others, and we offer you a plot of land to call your own.  That's a far better deal than anyone else gets in every way.... no other group gets THEIR right to free shared usage of Open Range and National Parks written down and signed off by a 'government'... no other group gets handed free land for nothing - must be some special 'white privilege', eh? 

Take it or leave it - if you refuse all special funding stops and you're on your own same as anyone else in that situation..... learn, work, or dole only.  Your choice.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 11:15am:

That's moot because we voted down the voice. Again, the dispute was never on the merits of the Voice.  The people have spoken on that subject.  It was more about what the Voice actually was. Grap has decided it can be whatever he wants it to be, so he can claim that whatever he's chosen to be the voice at any given moment is bad because we voted against it. Even though, to pluck one of the examples of the things he stated was an example of "the voice by stealth", an effort to increase tourism to Uluru is not in fact what we voted on at the referendum.

It is NOT moot because the Voice to Parliament was voted down. The question I asked was how the VtP was going to help eliminate the prevalence of child abuse in indigenous communities. Could you at least answer that question, based on the hypothetical that the VtP would have won the referendum and was put into action?

It is impossible for the sock society to actually address any specific Aboriginal issue and offer a solution.... they just want to snipe at everyone else.  It's called trolling.

Fear-filled little trolls that they are - they are terrified to actually put a recommendation out there to solve a problem like violence against children... they live in mortal terror of having their views actually analysed and aired in public..... they actually have none other than finger pointing.

Cowards are like that....

Now then, Sacka - what is your idea on how to approach the extreme violence  against Aboriginal women in the Territory, resulting in 76/81 deaths being Aboriginal which is 1/3 of the population there?

What about the virulent hatred involved in trying to force all others in a now massively more populated country out of national parks and such?  It takes some real hatred of the society and culture, not the mention the majority body of the people, that supports them all to make such demands.

Don't be frightened to actually address an issue here instead of ad homing all day.... you and mothra can speak up here.... we'll only bury you once....

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 11:15am: That's moot because we voted down the voice. Again, the dispute was never on the merits of the Voice.  The people have spoken on that subject.  It was more about what the Voice actually was. Grap has decided it can be whatever he wants it to be, so he can claim that whatever he's chosen to be the voice at any given moment is bad because we voted against it. Even though, to pluck one of the examples of the things he stated was an example of "the voice by stealth", an effort to increase tourism to Uluru is not in fact what we voted on at the referendum. It is NOT moot because the Voice to Parliament was voted down. The question I asked was how the VtP was going to help eliminate the prevalence of child abuse in indigenous communities. Could you at least answer that question, based on the hypothetical that the VtP would have won the referendum and was put into action?

The only way to solve that problem is for the community to stand up and make the change themselves.

Other things can be done by helping to raise their standard of living, education, employment etc to assist in that.  Housing issues can also be addressed so there are more dwellings so the number of people under the same roof is reduced, but with an overall housing crisis, these communities won't be high on the list.

Still, anything like that won't work towards fixing it without their participation.

Additional things can be done as more immediate, short-term, but band-aid solutions with support for those who have already been victimised and support for those at risk increased.

But most of the people who keep highlighting this particular issue for reasons only known by them, they actively fight against any of these sorts of measures.  The truth is, those people don't care about the actual outcomes of the people in those communities, it's all about passing judgment and nothing more for them.

As much as I hate the saying, they want their cake and to eat it too.  Paint all Indigenous people as child rapists but at the same time fight any measures that would help at-risk children and women in those communities.

They need to pick a lane.  The faux outrage has run its course.

It's the same for similar low socioeconomic and under-educated areas of the community and the sexual abuse that happens there.  There is only so much impact outside influences can have, if the community isn't on board, the issue can only be band-aided.

The Voice alone was unlikely to solve the problem.  But it was never touted as being a silver bullet.  It was meant to be the start of the journey. 

The Uluru Statement from the Heart advocates for 'Voice, Treaty, Truth' to redefine the relationship between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and non-Indigenous peoples. But it failing to pass has done more damage than doing nothing at all.

The Government have a lot to answer for in how they've handled the whole thing.

You'd be forgiven for thinking their goal was to hurt Indigenous rights and outcomes given how it's all played out.

Certain people here are doing their best to see that outcome a reality, and they love cake.

Would greater consultation from those who made up the proposed voice help?  We'll never know, but more consultation, especially from those who lived through the same sort of things can only help, right?

You can't work towards solving a problem if you don't understand it.

Rescued - not stolen ... done well out of it too.

How long is this 'stolen generations' BS going to go on... and on... and on....?

They've been paid out...... had their apologies groveling from various governments...... time to bury the hatchet before someone does it for you.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 6:21am:

I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity.

And you think you do?  ;D

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:20am:

No, Grappler. I interact with indigenous Australians at work, socially, and in my neighbourhood. They have their own ideas that they like to put forward about how to give a better quality of life for ATSI people. They occasionally write away to federal, state and local members of parliament and councils. When I finish my assessment, I will give you some ideas of what they wrote, and some of what I put forward to help alleviate the socioeconomic "Gap" between indigenous and non-indigenous people.

Ewwwwww haven't "we" changed our tune of late?  ;D

The next Bruce Pascoe in the making. ::)

mothra wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:51am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:19am: Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of". Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza. Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change. Interesting that you used cheese on pizza as an analogy. "Cheese pizza" is a euphemism in the child predator community to indicate "child porn". Having watched numerous Child Predator Catcher videos on youtube, it is amazing how prevalent the problem of child abuse is in the United States. But, child abuse is prevalent in indigenous Australian communities, moreso. How would the Voice to Parliament go about in mitigating or preventing child abuse in the indigenous community? Because, as has been explained to you lot more times than i've had hot breakfasts, the actual voiced of Aboriginal people are usually lost in the great beurocratic highway that exists between Canberra and the people on the land. The Voice was all about remedying that. A direct Voice, only on issues pertaining to Indigenous people to any sitting government, regardless of partisanship. It was really no more than that. The murdoch started up his campaign and you all got terrified.

In a Lefty Bints eye. ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:34pm:

Rescued - not stolen ... done well out of it too.

An indigenous lady from my father's generation (born the same year) told me about how she was part of the Stolen Generation. However, she said that her upbringing was much better among the white people than what would have been had she been left in an indigenous upbringing. Her adoption into the Australian community has not stopped her from practising and keeping alive her Darumbal heritage. She still teaches the younger generation (including my ex-girlfriend) the language of the region. But, she was retired from her "white person's" job about 5 years ago.

Gnads wrote on Jul 20^th, 2024 at 11:57am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 6:21am: I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity. And you think you do?  ;D

Given that I have studied the subject (and have lived amongst it all), I think I would know more about this topic more than you, Grappler, and Frank all put together as a hive mind.

Perhaps not all three of you combined. But, individually, I would know a lot more than you guys. I have about 70 website pages awaiting to be finished watched and read on videos and pdf documents regarding the Stolen Generation. I need to, if I want to finish this health care assistant course.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:18am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 20th, 2024 at 11:57am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2024 at 6:21am: I don't believe that Grappler knows what he is talking about. Reads like panicked subjectivity. And you think you do?  ;D Given that I have studied the subject (and have lived amongst it all), I think I would know more about this topic more than you, Grappler, and Frank all put together as a hive mind. Perhaps not all three of you combined. But, individually, I would know a lot more than you guys. I have about 70 website pages awaiting to be finished watched and read on videos and pdf documents regarding the Stolen Generation. I need to, if I want to finish this health care assistant course.

;D and you know I haven't because??

You pick a subject 5 mins ago, start reading then all of a sudden you're Eddie the Expert.

From all the issues you've had throughout your life I'd say the amount of observation of Aboriginal issues would have been blurred by the effects of alcohol, mental health & getting your end in & fathering stray kids.

Ohh yeah & issues with the Police.

Gnads wrote on Jul 20^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 11:06am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:51am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 10:19am: Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of". Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza. Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change. Interesting that you used cheese on pizza as an analogy. "Cheese pizza" is a euphemism in the child predator community to indicate "child porn". Having watched numerous Child Predator Catcher videos on youtube, it is amazing how prevalent the problem of child abuse is in the United States. But, child abuse is prevalent in indigenous Australian communities, moreso. How would the Voice to Parliament go about in mitigating or preventing child abuse in the indigenous community? Because, as has been explained to you lot more times than i've had hot breakfasts, the actual voiced of Aboriginal people are usually lost in the great beurocratic highway that exists between Canberra and the people on the land. The Voice was all about remedying that. A direct Voice, only on issues pertaining to Indigenous people to any sitting government, regardless of partisanship. It was really no more than that. The murdoch started up his campaign and you all got terrified. In a Lefty Bints eye. ::)

So it is a great irony that many on the left who take a “progressive” view of history are also determined to suppress, obfuscate and outright deny the parts of Australia’s history that demonstrate our great prosperity, security and success, as well as those parts of Indigenous history that might be less than savoury.

The black armband version of history that the likes of Bruce Pascoe promote in his resoundingly debunked Dark Emu shows this well. We are painted a “rainbows and lollipops” and “noble savage” fiction of an Indigenous civilisation that was destroyed by the evil white men.

This is nonsense: things are much more complex and nuanced, and it is an injustice to the humanity of Indigenous Australians and the reality of the modern success story that Australia has become after British and European settlement.

It is also an insulting reinvention of true knowledge and understanding of traditional culture with no relevance to the creation stories known as Jukurrpa.

Not only is this story incorrect, it has real consequences for today’s Australia. It’s a story that holds Indigenous people back, as they are encouraged by the left to wallow in victimhood and are rewarded for rejecting the enormous benefits of becoming fully part of modern Australia – the benefits being enjoyed by the very same inner-city activists who are encouraging the victimhood.
...

The simple fact is that no one is disadvantaged just because they are Indigenous.
Jacinta Price

There is no alternative possible version of Australian history where Indigenous Australians would have been left alone to continue their way of life.

The only question was about colonisation by whom – and when, rather than if – and we are fortunate it was the British who arrived and not many of the other alternatives.

Few younger Australians are taught these days about the letter from King George to Governor Phillip instructing him to maintain friendly relations with the native people.

“You are to endeavour by every possible means to open an Intercourse with the Natives and to conciliate their affections, enjoining all Our Subjects to live in amity and kindness with them,” he wrote. “And if any of Our Subjects shall wantonly destroy them, or give them any unnecessary Interruption in the exercise of their several occupations, it is our Will and Pleasure that you do cause such offenders to be brought to punishment according to the degree of the Offence.”

Of course, the British settlers did not always live up to King George’s instructions, but that doesn’t change the fact the instructions were given.

Even in the moments in our history when barbaric crimes were committed against Aboriginal Australians, the civilising rule of law often played out. The infamous Myall Creek massacre in 1838 marks a dark and bloody moment in our history, when 28 Indigenous Australians were murdered by British settlers. But the activists have done a good job of playing down what happened after the massacre.

Contemporary sources indicate that while there were pockets of excuse-making for the perpetrators, there was also clearly an abiding desire of the colony as a whole to do the right thing. The attorney-general, John Plunkett, prosecuted the perpetrators and then – when they were acquitted on a technicality – he prosecuted them again. Seven white men were thus found guilty and hanged.

During the trial, Justice Dowling took care to remind the jury that the law made no distinction between the murder of an Aboriginal person and the murder of a European person. In the sentencing Justice Burton said: “The crime was, however, committed in the sight of God, and the blood of the victims cries for vengeance.”

A crime was committed and justice – to a large extent – was served. Notably, this was a civilised common law process that would not have happened pre-settlement. Violence between tribes and clans was previously simply met with more violence. It is also worth mentioning the violence during this early settlement period was not one-sided.
JP

Colonisation happened and was always going to happen. It brought things like democracy, freedom and prosperity that were not known to Indigenous people.

To the extent that progressives continue to blame “colonisation”, what they really mean is they want to keep up their resistance to real reconciliation and integration. They would rather keep their policies of separatism and paternalism and dress them up in academic language than solve the real problems. If we really do want to heed the lessons of our history there are only two ways forward.

First, we can continue along the separatist road that sees Indigenous Australians as irrevocably damaged by settlement and wants to keep Aboriginal culture stuck in time like a museum piece. Traditional culture is romanticised by those who do not live it, while reinvention of culture has become an industry in the name of reconciliation for the purpose of political influence. This movement aims to keep Indigenous Australians on country, where they are land rich, but dirt poor.

This way forward leaves negative parts of Indigenous culture alone to grow and fester. Things like violent cultural payback, arranged marriage and apportioning tragedies and mishaps to sorcery, all of which are anathema to modern culture.

This is a view that lowers standards for Indigenous Australians. It attributes language and practices to some groups that do not belong to them, as a way of building up the victimising feeling that “things were taken away”.

This has been the strategy of decades of government agencies and academic activists, and yet they fail to draw the obvious connection between this approach and the failure to make much ground on Closing the Gap.

We need a second way: the advancement movement. Under this movement, we are all Australians. We can learn and cherish our Indigenous culture while still meeting the same standards that every other Australian is expected to meet.

Our culture will be respected like never before when Indigenous Australians are making it thrive under their own steam and not as part of a welfare industry. That culture will become part of our national tapestry, rather than a separate story to be fought over.

Before Whitlam came with the sit-down money, Indigenous Australians worked as jackeroos for the cattleman in their backyard. There should be no fly-in, fly-out workers in communities with Indigenous Australians on welfare.

We know where the gap is – it is 20 per cent of the 3 per cent. It’s remote Indigenous Australians, many of whom do not have English as a first language. We already know that we can either fix or exacerbate that by school attendance.

Gnads wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 9:36am:

;D and you know I haven't because?? You pick a subject 5 mins ago, start reading then all of a sudden you're Eddie the Expert. From all the issues you've had throughout your life I'd say the amount of observation of Aboriginal issues would have been blurred by the effects of alcohol, mental health & getting your end in & fathering stray kids. Ohh yeah & issues with the Police.

Admittedly, I don't know you. So, for all I could say, you might be a regular male version of Pauline Hanson, having all fact checkers and information on the topic at hand, with some well-above average general knowledge and experience about indigenous issues. If that is the case, you alone would know more about the topic of Stolen Generations than I.

However, having lived through some rough times with late teens having learned a thing or two about South Sea Islander history and having a considerable number of indigenous classmates back at high school, I thought I would have an advantage of knowledge over other here (especially that smug Brian) on the topic of the Stolen Generations.

As I have stated in another topic, my ex-girlfriend is indigenous Australian. Her grandmother is biracial (white father) and a former Stolen Generation child. I was allowed to call her "aunty", given that she is a few months older than my father, and considered me family for a while. But, she told me about her experience growing up in the 1950s and 1960s.

I have 70 links bookmarked to be watched and read over the next few months on the topic of the Stolen Generations. I have 5 textbooks that have been selectively read. There are 20 pages, thereabouts, on Lorna McDonald's "Rockhampton - a History of City and District" that talk about the 19th century culture of the Darumbal people. So, I might not have a comprehensive idea of indigenous issues. But, I bet I know more than the amateur Stolen Generations enthusiast.

As for the heckling about my drinking, mental health, and illegitimate children, I am actually probably more motivated to learn about the social and health issues facing indigenous people that what I would had I been a sober, full-time employed, and married with 3 children. So, there is that kind of silver lining of the grey cloud mentality, where I can empathise with minorities, despite my own troubles.

I might be known as "Philandering (UnSubRocky)" to many locals. But they know that I am a good person.

Still being taken away due to neglect and abuse....  oh, well...... must be someone else's fault - now where's that list?  Ummmmmm - nope - not under White ....... ummmm.... ah - Personal Liability  ......

https://www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/2-12-child-protection

"Nationally, in 2021–22, 57,975 First Nations children came into contact with the child protection system – 170 per 1,000 children

In 2021–22, 13,553 First Nations children (40 per 1,000 children) were the subjects of substantiated maltreatment

At 30 June 2022, 24,610 First Nations children were the subject of care and protection orders, with 17,343 (70%) of these on finalised guardianship or custody orders

At 30 June 2022, 19,432 First Nations children (57 per 1,000 children) were in out-of-home care"

I cannot tell a lie - Gnads, 'Soren', and my excellent self caused all that!!!  THAT is how stupid some of you are.... now - get a grip on reality .... stop your stupid name-calling and extremism, get in line with the facts and realities, and get on with the job!!  Your form of verbal violence to try to stop genuine and intelligent people thinking and discussing REAL issues does not work in 2024... Albo's plan to revamp Australia by kicking off an absurd special voice campaign, has worked.

His aim was to wake the people up and get them thinking - I'm still not sure if he actually thought out the consequences... but worldwide - people have had enough... here they have realised what a crock the whole Aboriginal Industry is.... I'll get to all that in the reality strand for you.  The reports on countless issues created out of nowhere by stupid governments are showing daily that voting people have had enough of internationalism ....... it doesn't work and kills countries and people in them.

News article featured about a mother being convicted of starving her baby to death. If that baby was part of the Stolen Generations, it would be alive and well.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 10:33pm:

News article featured about a mother being convicted of starving her baby to death. If that baby was part of the Stolen Generations, it would be alive and well.

How about this one Rocky?


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TODDLER TREATED ‘LIKE AN ANIMAL’ PETA MCEACHERN A court has been told the parents of a missing Queensland toddler “treated the little girl worse than an animal”, and held her captive in the toilet for potty training in the lead-up to her alleged murder. The Crown alleges Kaydence Mills (pictured) was killed sometime between February 16, 2017, when she moved into a Chinchilla rental with her family, and May 6, 2017, when her family went on a trip to North Queensland without her. Her remains were buried at the Chinchilla Weir during a family camping trip when her mother Sinitta Dawita was between three and six months pregnant with boyfriend Tane Desatge’s second child. At the Toowoomba Supreme Court on Monday, Ms Dawita and Mr Desatge pleaded not guilty to torture and murder, but pleaded guilty to interfering with a corpse. On day three of the trial, a witness told the court Mr Desatge would beat the girl with a cane because he struggled to potty train her. The witness said they did not know why the two-year-old girl was not bought a potty for toilet training, rather than being left to live in the toilet with no clothes. The court was told that on one occasion when the two-year-old fell into the toilet, she was told to get herself out. At the beginning of the murder trial at the Toowoomba Supreme Court, Crown prosecutor Michael Lehane said the inhuman treatment from Kaydence’s caregivers undoubtedly led to her death. Mr Lehane alleged the last time Kaydence was seen alive her head was shaved and her face was covered in bruises of various colours. The trial continues.