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Title: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Gnads on Aug 26th, 2024 at 8:03am
Couriers Mail today 26/08/24
https://todayspaper.couriermail.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=4c9da1fd-ed81-48ec-badb-73880a577ad6 pay walled. Quote:
The CEOs Boys Club in another sector fiddles whist consumers burn under increased electricity costs. And as for Energy Australia being owned by China Light & Power Holdings what more can you say? Renewables & cheaper reliable power? ::) >:( The Albanese Govt announced last week it was throwing its weight behind the biggest renewable project in the southern h/sphere . Located between Katherine & Elliott in the NT which will require the clear felling of 30,000 acres to establish it. Quote:
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Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Aug 26th, 2024 at 12:05pm
Yes - introducing the profit motive into a public arena has always been a failure leading to poorer service and higher costs and every blackguard move to enrich the Chosen Ones. It is actually worse when government remains a major 'shareholder' while merely sliding the cash into consolidated revenue - i.e. removing it from the core business of providing power (in this case) and putting it to their favourite pipe dreams.
The first great lie perpetrated on the Australian people was 'consolidated revenue' - meaning the money pot from which 'we' can draw the funds we want for our wet and pipe and pet dreams.... and stuff the realities for the masses... their cake is still warm, isn't it? The second great lie was 'privatisation' under the mantra that what's good for business is good for everyone... sure it is.... I can see that every damned day... |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Daves2017 on Aug 26th, 2024 at 1:54pm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-25/claims-energy-consumer-protections-failing-as-some-pay-double/104263266
The cost of living crisis is partly driven by the cost electricity crisis. How did Labors privatisation of power go so very, very, wrong? |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Brian Ross on Aug 26th, 2024 at 2:11pm Daves2017 wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
Whose? The Coalition usually made the decision to sell off the electricity systems. In SA the Liberal Party exclusively sold off the electricity generators at Port Augusta and they decided to shut it down. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by tallowood on Aug 26th, 2024 at 2:21pm Daves2017 wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
When profitable privatise when unprofitable nationalise. That is how. Both ALPs do it however :( |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Aug 26th, 2024 at 2:49pm tallowood wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 2:21pm:
Nifty footwork there.... |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by lee on Aug 26th, 2024 at 6:07pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
Usually? Except Victoria - "The process of electricity privatisation in Australia began with Labor in Victoria, when the government of Joan Kirner sold 51% of the Loy Yang B power station in 1992. Her Liberal successor, Jeff Kennett, then sold the remainder of Loy Lang B, as well as the rest of the state’s publicly owned generation, transmission and distribution assets." https://theconversation.com/labors-love-lost-the-tide-is-turning-on-private-ownership-of-electricity-grids-193091 SA - with the help of a Labor member. "The South Australian Government's plan to sell up to $6 billion worth of electricity assets gained valuable breathing space yesterday when ALP rebel Mr Terry Cameron voted with the Liberals to keep the sale bill alive." https://www.afr.com/markets/commodities/labor-mp-backs-sa-power-sale-19980821-k89ac. Queensland - Goss got cold feet. " Goss’s Cabinet finally voted against any plan to privatise Suncorp – a decision taken in the shadow of an impending loss of government because of the Mundingburra by-election in early 1996. “Deep down, I believed in the privatisation of government assets but the political will wasn’t there,” De Lacy would say later." https://www.inqld.com.au/business/2022/03/07/25-years-on-suncorp-proves-privatisation-doesnt-have-to-be-a-dirty-word NSW - Libs went to polls on the question - lost. NSW Labor privatised the power. "The fact that the NSW Labor government has pushed ahead with the sale despite public opposition and the fact that electricity prices have already risen in preparation for the sale, suggests that it is more interested in pleasing vested business interests than protecting the public interest." https://theconversation.com/state-of-nsw-weighing-the-cost-of-the-privatisation-of-power-312 |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Brian Ross on Aug 26th, 2024 at 6:51pm
I stand semi-corrected, although I note that it was a Liberal decision to sell in SA as I said it was. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Setanta on Aug 26th, 2024 at 8:21pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 6:51pm:
You barely stand semi-erected as your yawns show, your only claim to fame here would be how impotent your posts are. |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by lee on Aug 26th, 2024 at 8:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 6:51pm:
It was also a Liberal decision to nationalise it. ;) But where did you drag the "usual" bit from? ;) |
Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Setanta on Aug 26th, 2024 at 9:13pm
I think RTSolar people should form an association of sorts to galvanise and coordinate RTS strikes. Turn off our power at the time they most rely on it . Random days we turn it off, all together, Au wide, and see how they cope.
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Title: Re: Renewables - you pay, they get a raise. Post by Gnads on Aug 27th, 2024 at 8:27am lee wrote on Aug 26th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Goss may have .. De Lacey hindsight claim? He knew the people would turf them out .... and they did anyway... but the LNPs Rob Borbidge didn't last long ... Beattie got in & he sowed a lot of seeds of privatisation of state assets ... then resigned & left it to Anna Bligh ... and she got the boot for doing the sell off. The LNPs Campbell Newman got in ... learnt nothing went down the slash & burn road and also wanting to sell off state assets .... so he got the boot as well. But the sell offs continue by stealth under Labor just like the LNP. All just lining their own pockets. Govt essential services should not be privatised. |
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