Preacher taken to Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform Welcome to Country

A Christian preacher says he has been hauled before the Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform the Welcome to Country.

I can understand some preachers being taken to the Human Rights Commission, but this is a nonsense allegation.  Ogga-Booga ... yeah, man ... after a bit of the old ganja and a lot of hot sun on short and unbalanced rations and dirty or artesian water.... yeah, man - I hear them spirits singing all day... even them whales... yeah...

gee, i guess someone missed this bit :D


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The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision.

John Smith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

gee, i guess someone missed this bit :D Quote: The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision.

Poor buggars - all that sensitivity... any adult would just say:- "well you can get stuffed, too - we don;t care if you state what the majority of Australians already say - we know we're right 'cause we said so, so there!"

Lawfare, innit?  You can't say NO to us - we'll scream and kick and run to daddy .... mummy ...  waaaaaaah ....

Shows the true value of that lot, eh?  Must be a slow day at the 'Human Rights Commission' - v.1984 - where the commission appointed without any real reason attacks rights in a decidedly inhuman way.  Human Rights Commission(s) Australia - dedicated to removing YOUR rights to suit any whinger and researching endless the ways to reduce and remove rights of the majority.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

Poor buggars - all that sensitivity

you can talk ... you get all hysterical every time any aborigine does or says anything at all :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 12:33pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 12:24pm: Poor buggars - all that sensitivity you can talk ... you get all hysterical every time any aborigine does or says anything at all :D

Now don't get all sensitive on us.... we'll make the bastards equal in all ways yet!!  No more crying over unhappy spirits they've never really met... that's as smart as crying over Gazan people killed in action .... add the gay support for Hamas and the rooftop's your limit .... give 'em all one way tickets....

Great thing that - saying this welcome to country nonsense was artificial mumbo-jumbo to grab a dollar....

The "Unwelcome" go on the attack.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

The "Unwelcome" go on the attack.

Nothing like your terrorist mates in GAZA though ey? ::)

John Smith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

gee, i guess someone missed this bit :D Quote: The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision.

As usual, once you read past the headline you get to the truth.

Headline:

Preacher taken to Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform Welcome to Country

Subheading and first paragraph:

A Christian preacher says he has been hauled before the Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform the Welcome to Country.

Buried down the bottom:

The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Crank says crank poo, News Ltd reluctantly admit they don't have a verified story after they've nonetheless gotten clicks for it anyway.

Since when was there any absolute obligation to hold a 'welcome to country' gifting of cash for everything?

Not LAWFARE is it?  Do as I demand or I'll drag you before the Hooded Anonymous Inquisition Star Chamber!

Surely that can't be using the privileges, offered as legal rights, to a commission to actually create illegal situations of inequality?

We've got an expert here... on Lawfare .... so hshe thinks... any body constituted by a legislative body falls under administration of Law and is required to behave by the proper standards... if that body is designed to establish a specific unequal position of complainant v respondent, it is a breach of Law and indeed a direct attack on Law.

I ask again - since when was there any absolute obligation to hold a 'welcome to country' gifting of cash for everything?

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 12:13pm: gee, i guess someone missed this bit :D Quote: The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision. As usual, once you read past the headline you get to the truth. Headline: Preacher taken to Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform Welcome to Country Subheading and first paragraph: A Christian preacher says he has been hauled before the Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform the Welcome to Country. Buried down the bottom: The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Crank says crank poo, News Ltd reluctantly admit they don't have a verified story after they've nonetheless gotten clicks for it anyway.

So he gave a response as to why he wasn't doing a Welcome to Country...yes?

It was that response that the complainant didn't like ....

so in affect the Preacher was taken to task by the HRC for stating the reason he wouldn't perform
Welcome to Country.



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Mr Pellowe claimed the man who raised the complaint had attended the May event, one of a series held across Queensland electorates in partnership with the [highlight]Australian Christian Lobby [/highlight](ACL), only to later complain that “I have racially vilified and humiliated him on the grounds of his race and religion”. The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision. “I don’t know if he’s some other religion or why he came to a Christian event to hear from a Christian teacher of Christian doctrine,” he told online news network ADH TV. “The ubiquitousness of these Welcome to Country rituals being imposed upon Australians of all beliefs or non-belief at sporting events, when you land on a plane, when you walk into a government building, when you visit a website, when you start a Zoom meeting. “These are religious rituals which Christians in particular should have no part of. And under a democratic, allegedly secular and pluralistic society, it should also be something that the taxpayer doesn’t fund and the government doesn’t impose. It’s the duty of Christians to preach the truth and gospel and to not mix Christianity with false religion, such as the Aboriginal traditional religion, which is bearing all the hallmarks of paganism … inherently false beliefs.”

So SACKA why was the complainant there? Huh huh. ::)

Seems Aboriginals have rights that trump any rights that white people or Christians may have regarding their beliefs.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2024 at 12:13pm: gee, i guess someone missed this bit :D Quote: The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision. As usual, once you read past the headline you get to the truth. Headline: Preacher taken to Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform Welcome to Country Subheading and first paragraph: A Christian preacher says he has been hauled before the Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform the Welcome to Country. Buried down the bottom: The complaint does not specifically relate to the Welcome to Country or the Bible verse, according to Mr Pellowe, but rather his answer about the decision. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Crank says crank poo, News Ltd reluctantly admit they don't have a verified story after they've nonetheless gotten clicks for it anyway.

A fight between religions?

A pox on both Christian exceptionalism, and obsolete Aboriginal mythology.

Gnads wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 11:56am:

so in affect the Preacher was taken to task by the HRC for stating the reason he wouldn't perform Welcome to Country.

no, the preacher was taken to task for claiming aboriginal beliefs were false

go to the preachers church and tell him his religion is crap and I'd bet  dollars to doughnuts that preacher would also screech like a banshee

the national art galleries are allowed to display "piss christ"

a crucified christ in a container of the artists urine

would the gallery display piss rainbow serpent?

a rainbow serpent in a container of the artists piss

or piss muhammed

a picture of mo in a container of the artists piss.


if not, why not , under existing legislation ?

I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too.

That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate.

John Smith wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:56am: so in affect the Preacher was taken to task by the HRC for stating the reason he wouldn't perform Welcome to Country. no, the preacher was taken to task for claiming aboriginal beliefs were false go to the preachers church and tell him his religion is crap and I'd bet  dollars to doughnuts that preacher would also screech like a banshee

Yes because they are according to Christian belief... this was a Christian rally.

Why was the Aboriginal bloke there? he obviously isn't a Christian.

So the question might be posed ... was he there as a plant?

John Smith wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:56am: so in affect the Preacher was taken to task by the HRC for stating the reason he wouldn't perform Welcome to Country. no, the preacher was taken to task for claiming aboriginal beliefs were false go to the preachers church and tell him his religion is crap and I'd bet  dollars to doughnuts that preacher would also screech like a banshee

Oh and as an addendum ... the blackfella was at the Christians church/rally.

You've got nothing.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

the national art galleries are allowed to display "piss christ" a crucified christ in a container of the artists urine would the gallery display piss rainbow serpent? a rainbow serpent in a container of the artists piss or piss muhammed a picture of mo in a container of the artists piss. if not, why not , under existing legislation ?

Exactly ... puts Smiths and these other wankers arguments to bed good & proper.

The phucken virtue signaling hypocrite softcocks.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate.

Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte.

You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate.

I'll try it out on the next asshole who calls me 'white continuity' ... the last one didn't do it twice and kept out of an ambulance... as they say - we old bastards don't have the stamina or the time to bother with a points decision... just take 'em out.

Should I have dragged that asshole to the Human Rights commission?   Shaddup yo face.

"So he gave a response as to why he wasn't doing a Welcome to Country...yes?

It was that response that the complainant didn't like ...."

Poor widdle did-ums.... stuff 'im.  It's the right of the group to not want mumbo-jumbo in their religious observation...

I'll tell you why I won't do a welcome to country - because it has no relevance, no reality and I'm tired of it..... so eat it!!

Any adult would just move on - but not your pets.... they've got rights, you know.

Now then - about that bushfire season coming up ......................... and all the other garbage like Alice etc... strange fires up Northern NSW all the time...... crime sprees against those who dare to work to own something....

Nope - you give YOUR land back.. I'm here to stay.....

John Smith wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:56am: so in affect the Preacher was taken to task by the HRC for stating the reason he wouldn't perform Welcome to Country. no, the preacher was taken to task for claiming aboriginal beliefs were false go to the preachers church and tell him his religion is crap and I'd bet  dollars to doughnuts that preacher would also screech like a banshee

They are false, i.e. untrue. He didn't go to "their" meeting/corroboree and tell them it was untrue, he was asked why he didn't bow to another religion in his own space even if his is untrue as well. Freedom of religion. It's obvious the person went there knew he was refusing to do WTC/AOC and set out to find something to get him. Perhaps next time he'll tackle a mosque for their bigotry? Govt should not be supporting any religion.

Human Rights Commission?  Minority Tantrums Commission.... *

Time to man up and get into the 21st Century - this isn't 1787 you know.... and your rent payment on the infrastructure is overdue ..... enough of the freeloading.

*List of priorities:-

Black Women Native (especially if they can hear a song or spirits in the head)
Black Men Native (especially if they can hear a song or spirits in the head)
Black Women Imported (limited English prioritised)
Black Men Imported (limited English oprioritised
Sallows (women don't speak in most)
Yellows
White Women
Dogs
Gutter Snakes
Whale Guano
White Men........

Gnads wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks.

When you go low, you can go bugger yourself.

Gnads wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 11:56am:

So SACKA why was the complainant there? Huh huh. ::)

Why not? It wasn't a church service. It was a conference on 'church and state', something that affects all of us. You do realise that the term 'church and state' encompasses all religions, not just the ones you like, right?

Setanta wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

They are false,

as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant.

He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 11:19am:

Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap

Yes, at a Christian Conference, run by him.



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“I don’t know if he’s some other religion or why he came to a Christian event to hear from a Christian teacher of Christian doctrine,” he told online news network ADH TV.

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“It’s a Christian teaching meeting by Christians, for Christians, of Christian doctrine,” he said.

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 11:19am:

Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap

It wasn't a platform for the Aboriginal Rights Activist to peddle his crap or seek to impose his will on others.  Nobody has any obligation to have a WTC or anything similar.  Simple as that.  The ARA came to the show with intent - he is clearly the aggressor.

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Preachers can be Nazis and vice versa for Grappler and Yadda.

Setanta wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 11:28am:

Yes, at a Christian Conference, run by him.

no, the conference was 'church and state', not christian church and state

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 1:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:28am: Yes, at a Christian Conference, run by him. no, the conference was 'church and state', not christian church and state

He is preaching that the Christian faith cannot accept other points of view, beliefs or customs....Something akin to Islam and infidels???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 2:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 1:35pm: Setanta wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:28am: Yes, at a Christian Conference, run by him. no, the conference was 'church and state', not christian church and state He is preaching that the Christian faith cannot accept other points of view, beliefs or customs....Something akin to Islam and infidels??? ::) ::) ::)

No - he's just saying they want to discuss theirs, no mention of any others until Big Mouf butted in with his shoulder chips.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

Preachers can be Nazis and vice versa for Grappler and Yadda.

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SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 9:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself.

You are low , so enjoy your masturbation. 

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 11:15am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:56am: So SACKA why was the complainant there? Huh huh. ::) Why not? It wasn't a church service. It was a conference on 'church and state', something that affects all of us. You do realise that the term 'church and state' encompasses all religions, not just the ones you like, right?

And since when has Aboriginal Dreamtime belief been classed as a religion or church?

You've still got nothing.

John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 11:19am:

Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap

It was ... exactly it was, you dickhead.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

Preachers can be Nazis and vice versa for Grappler and Yadda.

You're a terrorist supporting Nazi POS.

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 1:28pm: Preachers can be Nazis and vice versa for Grappler and Yadda. You're a terrorist supporting Nazi POS.

Apologies to Gnads for not citing him with the Nazis Grappler and Yadda.

Gnads is a proud Nazi.

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John Smith wrote on Aug 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:56am: so in affect the Preacher was taken to task by the HRC for stating the reason he wouldn't perform Welcome to Country. no, the preacher was taken to task for claiming aboriginal beliefs were false go to the preachers church and tell him his religion is crap and I'd bet  dollars to doughnuts that preacher would also screech like a banshee

He would probably either ask that you leave or try to convince you otherwise. He wouldn't take you to the HRC. People openly call his religious beliefs false all the time. Everyone in our society is expected to tolerate their beliefs being questioned. Except, apparently, aborigines and Muslims. Maybe atheists also, though Folau won his court case. Anyway, my point is, you are a hypocrite. Your hypocrisy is so ingrained you are blind to it.


John Smith wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 1:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:28am: Yes, at a Christian Conference, run by him. no, the conference was 'church and state', not christian church and state

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/church


Quote:

a building for public and especially Christian worship

John is your argument that a Christian is not allowed to decide for himself what he means when he uses the word church?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:34pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 1:28pm: Preachers can be Nazis and vice versa for Grappler and Yadda. You're a terrorist supporting Nazi POS. Apologies to Gnads for not citing him with the Nazis Grappler and Yadda. Gnads is a proud Nazi.

https://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentumAdHitlerum


Argumentum Ad Hitlerum

The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 8:30am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 5:43pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:34pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 1:28pm: Preachers can be Nazis and vice versa for Grappler and Yadda. You're a terrorist supporting Nazi POS. Apologies to Gnads for not citing him with the Nazis Grappler and Yadda. Gnads is a proud Nazi. https://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentumAdHitlerum Argumentum Ad Hitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs.

Bobby is a quisling.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 9:00am:

Bobby is a quisling.

Apologise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling

Quisling was put on trial during the legal purge in Norway after World War II. He was found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason against the Norwegian state, and was sentenced to death. He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress, Oslo, on 24 October 1945. Since his death, Quisling has become one of history's most infamous traitors due to his collaboration with Nazi Germany. The term quisling has become a byword for "collaborator" or "traitor" in several languages. The term reflects the contempt with which Quisling's conduct has been regarded both at the time and in the present day.

Bobby aspires to become a quisling?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Bobby aspires to become a quisling?

Stop using a cheap, juvenile means of debate.

Argumentum Ad Hitlerum


The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs.





forgiven

namaste

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 9:20am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am: Bobby aspires to become a quisling? Stop using a cheap, juvenile means of debate. Argumentum Ad Hitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs. forgiven namaste ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

Apolgies Bobby. I was unaware that your Ozpolitic franchise was granted exclusive rights to cheap, juvenile means of debate.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 9:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:20am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am: Bobby aspires to become a quisling? Stop using a cheap, juvenile means of debate. Argumentum Ad Hitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs. forgiven namaste ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ Apologies Bobby. I was unaware that your Ozpolitic franchise was granted exclusive rights to cheap, juvenile means of debate.

My debates are always of high standard.


forgiven

namaste

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Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Bobby aspires to become a quisling?

Raise you debating standards.


forgiven

namaste

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:20am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am: Bobby aspires to become a quisling? Stop using a cheap, juvenile means of debate. Argumentum Ad Hitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs. forgiven namaste ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ Apologies Bobby. I was unaware that your Ozpolitic franchise was granted exclusive rights to cheap, juvenile means of debate. My debates are always of high standard.

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Anyway - nobody has an obligation, legal or moral - to hold a welcome to your country thing... personal choice only.

Nobody I know holds them - the council licks their nuts that way, but we tend to ignore them anyway.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 9:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:20am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 9:10am: Bobby aspires to become a quisling? Stop using a cheap, juvenile means of debate. Argumentum Ad Hitlerum The notoriously fallacious debate tactic 'Argumentum Ad Hitlerum' is a humorous corruption of the Latin phrase, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and is a form of guilt by association, where the object of abuse is compared to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party, or any number of peripheral parties, such as Neo-Nazis. Besides being a cheap, juvenile means of debate, it falls apart as quickly as any other form of guilt by association in rhetoric: Hitler was an ardent vegetarian; are all vegetarians therefore tantamount to Hitler? This fallacy is also known as 'Reductio Ad Nazium', from the 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' that should be well known to anyone familiar with the rigorous, axiomatic Greek method of mathematical proofs. forgiven namaste ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯ Apolgies Bobby. I was unaware that your Ozpolitic franchise was granted exclusive rights to cheap, juvenile means of debate.

You're a king at it..... a terrorist supporting POS hypocrite too.

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:15am: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 11:56am: So SACKA why was the complainant there? Huh huh. ::) Why not? It wasn't a church service. It was a conference on 'church and state', something that affects all of us. You do realise that the term 'church and state' encompasses all religions, not just the ones you like, right? And since when has Aboriginal Dreamtime belief been classed as a religion or church? You've still got nothing.

classed by who? you?  :D :D

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:19am: Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap It was ... exactly it was, you dickhead.

No, it wasn't you dumbarse. It was a conference about the link between church and state. Something that affects us all, be you religious or not.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 8:25am:

He would probably either ask that you leave or try to convince you otherwise

Bullshit. He'd have a hissy fit more like it.


freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2024 at 8:25am:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/church

why do you leave out the rest of that definition FD? Worried it'll show you up for the dumbarse you are?

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 7:08am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 8:25am: He would probably either ask that you leave or try to convince you otherwise Bullshit. He'd have a hissy fit more like it.

People openly mock and criticise Christian beliefs all the time. I have never seen anyone react. Perhaps you are confusing them with Muslims. Mock Muhammad in a Muslim country and there is a good chance you will die.


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freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 8:25am: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/church why do you leave out the rest of that definition FD? Worried it'll show you up for the dumbarse you are?

I was showing that there was nothing wrong or unusual with Christians using the term church to refer to the church. Do you have a problem with them deciding for themselves what they mean when they use the word? I believe I made this pretty clear the first time I posted it. Why did you leave that bit out of your quote, only to ask me again?

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 7:04am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:33pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:19am: Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap It was ... exactly it was, you dickhead. No, it wasn't you dumbarse. It was a conference about the link between church and state. Something that affects us all, be you religious or not.

Run by the ACL - Australian Christian Lobby.

Did you miss that bit knucklephuk?

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 7:20am:

People openly mock and criticise Christian beliefs all the time

Not at conferences where they are there to discuss religions they don't. I think you're confusing the situation with what you see on ozpol.


freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 7:20am:

I was showing that there was nothing wrong or unusual with Christians using the term church to refer to the church.

there is nothing wrong with non Christians using the other accepted definitions of the word either ... your point?


freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 7:20am:

Do you have a problem with them deciding for themselves what they mean when they use the word?

I have a problem with idiots trying to redefine words to suit their agenda. Neither you nor he are the arbiters of the definition of the word just because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 8:08am:

Run by the ACL - Australian Christian Lobby.

but not limited to christians dumbarse.... otherwise they would only invite christians to their wankfest.

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there is nothing wrong with non Christians using the other accepted definitions of the word either ... your point?

I believe I have made the point several times already. You keep leaving it out of your quote for some reason. Try reading it again John.


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I have a problem with idiots trying to redefine words to suit their agenda.

;D

And by this you mean, Christians defining the word church to mean the very first definition of church given by the dictionary?


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Neither you nor he are the arbiters of the definition of the word just because it doesn't suit your agenda.

I am the final arbiter of what I mean when I use a term John. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept for you.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53am:

I believe I have made the point several times already

You might think so, but I think saying something irrelevant to the discussion is pointless.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53am:

And by this you mean, Christians defining the word church to mean the very first definition of church given by the dictionary?

selective editing of the definition by you FD does not mean it is the only definition , it just means you're trying to lie about it

Many a preacher could be dragged before the Human Rights Commission - but no human right was abrogated by not holding a superfluous and irrelevant welcome to your own country thing - this Keffir is just after some cash.  Does the La'(glottal stop)emba mosque hold a welcome to Aboriginal country ceremony every time?  Not an Aborigine in sight.... running scared of the Saracens ...

Clearly if such complaints are permitted, the HRC has nothing to do and needs its parameters reviewed and corrected ... just another patch of 'jobs' handed to the whingers who don't know any better, so the zealots can push their agenda by stealth and make it look legal and right.

Must be time to disband it.  Now that's what your lovely GST money bought for you!!  Not more and better roads, hospitals and so forth - just more bodies like this to lick the nuts of whingers while behind everyone's backs all the utilities are being handed out to mates as if by some feudal lord, your costs of living sky-rocket, and you are increasingly reduced to the New Serfdom of the growing Neo-Feudal State designed by the likes of Greiner, Carr, Baird, Berejiklian - either central European* wops oppressive or fools ..... just like what happened to the Russians under the control of their glorious men of the people.  (TF is WRONG with these and you people?)...

Another job for Albo there - full review of these incredibly discriminatory bodies to bring them under the proper rules of Law, the demolition of some, and limiting their ability to persecute people on nonsensical grounds.

That'll set the Glorious Revolution back on its heels for another twenty years or so, until they resurrect these strap-ons to government that are out there operating without any civilised constraint... and zero accountability.

* not that there's anything wrong with that - but that type DO tend towards a despotic, Feudal, oppressive, dictatorial style of government.... Franz Kafka's The Castle.... wa karamas'ka!  Ancient Nihon Samurai shogun culture!!  19th Century Robber Baron Lord of all Surveyed!! Middle Ages lord and serfs!!  You fools need to get a better understanding of true democracy and get rid of those  deluded types holding down fat offices and incomes for life, and force government to serve the people.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/14/presbyterian-church-of-australia-bans-acknowledgement-of-country-at-services

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The Presbyterian church has banned congregations across Australia from conducting an acknowledgment of country at their regular services, in a decision described as “extreme” and saddening by Indigenous Christians.

The prohibition was made at the denomination’s general assembly in Sydney last week, amid a heated debate over whether the church needed to lament some aspects of colonisation.

John McClean, a spokesperson for the church who took part in the meetings, said the general assembly had authority over how worship services were conducted.

“The decision was to say churches shouldn’t include an acknowledgment of country as part of a worship service,” McClean said.

“Certainly for Presbyterians, the question of what you do in church as public worship is a particularly sensitive issue.”"

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 11:10am:

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:53am: I believe I have made the point several times already You might think so, but I think saying something irrelevant to the discussion is pointless. freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:53am: And by this you mean, Christians defining the word church to mean the very first definition of church given by the dictionary? selective editing of the definition by you FD does not mean it is the only definition , it just means you're trying to lie about it

Perhaps you would like to identify what you think is irrelevant, maybe even why you think it is irrelevant, rather than just repeating the same question and expecting a different answer. After all, you were asking me why I did something, so it is kind of absurd of you to dismiss my answer as irrelevant. Not that absurdity is unusual from you. Whether you like or approve of my reasoning is irrelevant to the question you asked.

Also, can you explain how you think I edited the definition of church? The link is there. I copied it word for word.

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 8:49am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:08am: Run by the ACL - Australian Christian Lobby. but not limited to christians dumbarse.... otherwise they would only invite christians to their wankfest.

The preacher made a statement after the whining supposed blackfella made the complaint that he didn't understand why he was there as it was a Christian organised event.

Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain.

The complainant was a plant looking for something to whinge about ... just like you.

I predict 10 more pages of John Smith accusing people of lying by omission, while deleting from the quotes whatever it is he thinks is the lie, all so that he can continue his hysteria at a Christian daring to have an opinion of their own.

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 6:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:49am: Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:08am: Run by the ACL - Australian Christian Lobby. but not limited to christians dumbarse.... otherwise they would only invite christians to their wankfest. The preacher made a statement after the whining supposed blackfella made the complaint that he didn't understand why he was there as it was a Christian organised event. Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain. The complainant was a plant looking for something to whinge about ... just like you.

Control over the country and people one bit at a time.

I told you so.  The attitude is that you have no rights and they have all with that kind.  Good thing there are a few good Aborigines left.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 8:53am:

Try reading it again John.

read it multiple times. .. it's just more of the same endless irrelevancy being repeated.


freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 6:04pm:

Perhaps you would like to identify what you think is irrelevant

your excuses are irrelevant. The preacher doesn't get to make up the definition of a word, no matter how much you pretend he does.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 6:12pm:

I predict 10 more pages of John Smith accusing people of lying by omission, while deleting from the quotes whatever it is he thinks is the lie, all so that he can continue his hysteria at a Christian daring to have an opinion of their own.

not people, just you. And if you don't want to be accused of it, then simply don't lie by omission. It was you who chose to deliberately edit out the part of the definition that showed your argument to be false, not me.

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 6:10pm:

The preacher made a statement after the whining supposed blackfella made the complaint that he didn't understand why he was there as it was a Christian organised event.

Maybe the 'church' should have advertised it as a circle jerk instead of an open discussion .... you would have been there for sure that way

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 6:10pm:

Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain.

making crap up shit for brains? Unless you've seen the advertising for the discussion, you have no idea what was or wasn't obvious. But in typical gonads fashion, you just make it up :D :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 10:42am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: The preacher made a statement after the whining supposed blackfella made the complaint that he didn't understand why he was there as it was a Christian organised event. Maybe the 'church' should have advertised it as a circle jerk instead of an open discussion .... you would have been there for sure that way

What was the grifter after his handout for doing his silly ceremony going to contribute to any discussion?  It was none of his business.  Should be taken before a PROPER court charged with common assault, intimidation, trespassing, and use of foul language, not to mention the hate crime of attempting to impose on others over their religious belief.

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 6:12pm:

I predict 10 more pages of John Smith accusing people of lying by omission, while deleting from the quotes whatever it is he thinks is the lie, all so that he can continue his hysteria at a Christian daring to have an opinion of their own.

Send yond activist down to the La'emba Mosque to demand the same thing...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 12:14pm:

It was none of his business.

the link between church and state is EVERYONES business you senile old fool

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:21pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 12:14pm:   It was none of his business. the link between church and state is EVERYONES business you senile old fool

What link did this meeting have between church and state?  So they wanted to hold a discussion - so what?  Were they going to overthrow the government and install a religious based government in its place?

What business was it of the Abo to storm in and demand a paid ceremony to suit him?  There is no obligation to hold any welcome to your own country ceremony at any time.... it's an option.

I take it you are a Fascist?

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John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:53am: Try reading it again John. read it multiple times. .. it's just more of the same endless irrelevancy being repeated. freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:04pm: Perhaps you would like to identify what you think is irrelevant your excuses are irrelevant. The preacher doesn't get to make up the definition of a word, no matter how much you pretend he does.

It is not made up John. It is straight out of the dictionary.

Why are you so desperate to maintain your hysterics about Christians being permitted their own opinions, even when it comes to what they mean when they speak?


John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 10:42am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: The preacher made a statement after the whining supposed blackfella made the complaint that he didn't understand why he was there as it was a Christian organised event. Maybe the 'church' should have advertised it as a circle jerk instead of an open discussion .... you would have been there for sure that way

Maybe the church, and everyone else, does not care what you think.

**insert 'hold Christian meetings these days' in place of 'eat red meat'**

What IS it with the West and Christianity these days?  Everyone else is holding their religion up to High Heaven - the West is dragging theirs down.... don't you understand that the theocratic nations consider this means you are weak, effeminate, poncing around the football field pretending you're a woman, getting the cut and rooting trannies or something, and allowing your women to run riot instead of some good faithful breeding and good old down-home cookin' (friends)?

Told yez - me mither were Cat'lic, my father Anglican, his great-grandparents were Jewish.... I'm beyond any redemption .... but I sure leave a lot of pricks in the shade.... like a moulting porcupine on holidays....

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freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 6:25pm:

It is not made up John. It is straight out of the dictionary.

there's more to the definition than just what you make up


freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Maybe the church, and everyone else, does not care what you think.

Absolutely, thats why they should have advertised a circle jerk and not a discussion.

Nobody has to invite everybody to a discussion.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 4^th, 2024 at 12:47pm:

Nobody has to invite everybody to a discussion.

no one said they did dumbarse ::)

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 12:47pm: Nobody has to invite everybody to a discussion. no one said they did dumbarse ::)

So - home invasion! Forced entry!   Jesus Christ!  You sure know how to stick your bros in the poo, don't you!!??!!

Pure Nazi tactics to try to silence an innocent group going about their business - hate crime.  So now they've ratcheted up their violence, intimidation, bullying, threats and attacks in their war on Whartey's Way ...  this can never end well.

He'll be lucky to get out in ten years at this rate .....................

Jeez - I'm beginning to think they might need a totally separate Aboriginal Homeland just for themselves... their very own Noweto/Aborassic Park/Gondwanamo Bay for the deep Recalcitrants and criminals

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John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2024 at 7:03am:

freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:25pm: It is not made up John. It is straight out of the dictionary. there's more to the definition than just what you make up freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:25pm: Maybe the church, and everyone else, does not care what you think. Absolutely, thats why they should have advertised a circle jerk and not a discussion.

It is still not made up John. It is straight out of the dictionary.

Maybe the church, and everyone else, still does not care what you think.

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 10:44am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain. making crap up shit for brains? Unless you've seen the advertising for the discussion, you have no idea what was or wasn't obvious. But in typical gonads fashion, you just make it up :D :D

Well tell me Einstein why did the preacher make the statement as to "why was the complainant at what was an ACL event?" .

So not made up at all dumbarse

did you see the advertising?

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2024 at 2:21pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 12:14pm:   It was none of his business. the link between church and state is EVERYONES business you senile old fool

except when its coming from Muslims ey?  ;D

A meeting of the Eld Gel's art group doesn't need to invite anyone unknown etc or have any 'welcome to your home' ceremony that they would need to pay for.

This uppity Aborigine was way out of line demanding that they hold a ceremony, obviously pay him for it, and then for abusing the laws by taking it to this 'commission'... Lawfare, innit?   Do as I demand or you'll be punished... and I'll use the government to do it to you using a stacked deck that cringes and licks my nuts for whinging and is frightened of being called 'racist' for not finding in my favour.... heeey .. it's stacked with 'jobs for the Cheeses and Chinks and stuff' and it 'mission statement' is to 'protect' them in the Higgins manner anyway... she got the gold mine, deuce got the shaft...

Time for these Commissions to be disbanded, removed from the order of battle, don't waste time and money on a Royal Commission - they are clearly biased, discriminatory, racist, and ethnicist... just another one of those Neo-Nazi Stalinist groups forcing things on people.

When they came for the Christians in meetings - you screeched abuse at those Christians ....

When they come for you....... heh, heh, heh ......

.... now for wun millyun dullahs......... Is John smith Plain Stupid or is he Mental? 

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:21pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 12:14pm:   It was none of his business. the link between church and state is EVERYONES business you senile old fool except when its coming from Muslims ey?  ;D

He could have asked for an invitation and then asked if they wanted a Waste of Time (WTC) Ceremony at vastly inflated rates of pay.... he could have discussed the issues of state and church with them.... but no, Baas - this one just HAD to go in making demands, making no effort in any way to actually participate, and being shown the door, and then crying ..

Tell 'im and all the rest to piss off.  And tell that stupid 'commission' to piss off, too.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NnTnE9VSEfk/hq720.jpg

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

It is still not made up John. It is straight out of the dictionary. Maybe the church, and everyone else, still does not care what you think.

It's made up in that you ommitted the part of the definition that highlights your stupidity.

And if the church didn't care, they wouldn't have invited those from outside the church to their circle jerk.

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:44am: Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain. making crap up shit for brains? Unless you've seen the advertising for the discussion, you have no idea what was or wasn't obvious. But in typical gonads fashion, you just make it up :D :D Well tell me Einstein why did the preacher make the statement as to "why was the complainant at what was an ACL event?" . So not made up at all dumbarse did you see the advertising?

doubling down on what you made up doesn't make it correct you dumbarse

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

except when its coming from Muslims ey?  ;D

Bet you''ll never find any quote from me making that claim .... but in typical gonads fashion, you just keep making crap up :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 8:19am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 10:59am: John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:44am: Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain. making crap up shit for brains? Unless you've seen the advertising for the discussion, you have no idea what was or wasn't obvious. But in typical gonads fashion, you just make it up :D :D Well tell me Einstein why did the preacher make the statement as to "why was the complainant at what was an ACL event?" . So not made up at all dumbarse did you see the advertising? doubling down on what you made up doesn't make it correct you dumbarse

And you doubling down on lying & being a hypocrite?

Did you see the advertising?

Gnads wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:19am: Gnads wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 10:59am: John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:44am: Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain. making crap up shit for brains? Unless you've seen the advertising for the discussion, you have no idea what was or wasn't obvious. But in typical gonads fashion, you just make it up :D :D Well tell me Einstein why did the preacher make the statement as to "why was the complainant at what was an ACL event?" . So not made up at all dumbarse did you see the advertising? doubling down on what you made up doesn't make it correct you dumbarse And you doubling down on lying & being a hypocrite?

is a figment of your imagination, just like the rest of the stuff you made up

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:44am: John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:19am: Gnads wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 10:59am: John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:44am: Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:10pm: Why do they have to give invites to an obvious Christian event ... you phukbrain. making crap up shit for brains? Unless you've seen the advertising for the discussion, you have no idea what was or wasn't obvious. But in typical gonads fashion, you just make it up :D :D Well tell me Einstein why did the preacher make the statement as to "why was the complainant at what was an ACL event?" . So not made up at all dumbarse did you see the advertising? doubling down on what you made up doesn't make it correct you dumbarse And you doubling down on lying & being a hypocrite? is a figment of your imagination, just like the rest of the stuff you made up

So you're making shyte up?

or you've simply got nothing.

Gnads wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

So you're making shyte up?

you idiot, you're talking to your reflection again ;D

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 8:18am:

freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 3:59pm: It is still not made up John. It is straight out of the dictionary. Maybe the church, and everyone else, still does not care what you think. It's made up in that you ommitted the part of the definition that highlights your stupidity. And if the church didn't care, they wouldn't have invited those from outside the church to their circle jerk.

It is a standing invitation John. You are welcome to turn up to any of their services. They might even offer you free counselling to help you get over your childhood mistreatment by the angry nuns.

Quoting directly from a dictionary is not making it up, no matter how desperately you try to spin it.

Does anyone else instinctively feel sympathy for the nuns?

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 9:03am:

It is a standing invitation John.

so they ARE interested in what others have to say ... glad you cleared that up


freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 9:03am:

You are welcome to turn up to any of their services.

It wasn't a service, it was a discussion on the relationship between church and government. Why are you pretending it was Sunday mass?


freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 9:03am:

Quoting directly from a dictionary is not making it up, no matter how desperately you try to spin it.

but ommitting part of the definition IS

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:47am: So you're making shyte up? you idiot, you're talking to your reflection again ;D

No... you're a reflection .. of a pile of crap

& you still have no substance.

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2024 at 4:30pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 9:42pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself. You are low , so enjoy your masturbation.

It’s quite remarkable how you feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy.

If you lack the emotional fortitude to handle reciprocal discourse, perhaps you should refrain from initiating it. The concept is not exactly complex, bitch.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 12:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:30pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 9:42pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself. You are low , so enjoy your masturbation.  It’s quite remarkable how you feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy. If you lack the emotional fortitude to handle reciprocal discourse, perhaps you should refrain from initiating it. The concept is not exactly complex, bitch.

It’s quite remarkable how YOU feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy.

Now then - have you taken that black fullah to task over calling me a white count and ranting about how sick he was of us white counts etc?  When you get there point out the hypocrisy of using the white man's goods etc while raving about hos bad whites are all the time.  His mouth will get him hurt or in big trouble one day, and he's not likely to get a Black pass in the courts for attacking a 75 yo recovering from cardio.

You sailed in here, sunshine, ranting and carrying on and being a dork - you got back what you brought here and still do.

Look in the mirror.  You rant and rave and call people names ... well take it right back up the kazoo.

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 9:03am: It is a standing invitation John. so they ARE interested in what others have to say ... glad you cleared that up freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 9:03am: You are welcome to turn up to any of their services. It wasn't a service, it was a discussion on the relationship between church and government. Why are you pretending it was Sunday mass? freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 9:03am: Quoting directly from a dictionary is not making it up, no matter how desperately you try to spin it. but ommitting part of the definition IS

So... was the black boy invited?  Did he say he had something he might want to say and offer, or ask for an invite?

NO - he storm-trooped his way in, demanded that he be given a paid WTC, was told they don't do that, and got all huffy like some poof.... oooooh - you big bastard!  I'll make a complaint about you... don't bother calling the cops to complain about my forcing my way in and making demands of you and getting hostile when you refuse... they're all on my side these days...

Anyone hear anything from that 'commission' yet?

Time all those things went to the scrapheap... nothing but jobs for the mates and a chance to push blatant racism against the majority.  Do a Tarneen on 'em - burn 'em to the ground!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2024 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 7:04am: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:33pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:19am: Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap It was ... exactly it was, you dickhead. No, it wasn't you dumbarse. It was a conference about the link between church and state. Something that affects us all, be you religious or not. Run by the ACL - Australian Christian Lobby. Did you miss that bit knucklephuk?

So every one of these events is a "Church Service" because it's hosted by the ACL?

Church and State Conference​
Make It Count Forums
Election Forums​
Days of Action
Baby Booties Display
Meet the Candidate Events​
Fidelis Events
Senate Candidates Meet & Greet
Momentum Events​

They are not a Church, they are a lobby group, with the express goal of seeking to bring a Christian influence to Australian politics.

Political Lobby Group, nothing more.

Every group has the right to hold a peaceful meeting and discussion and to determine who they want to attend and what they want to discuss.

How would you like it if you local land council had some bloke stride in and tell them they needed to do a God Save The King and a Welcome to the 21st Century ceremony or they'd be the recipients of legal action via complaint to a star chamber?

Could be a good idea for those wanting to start keeping the blacks down again, eh?  These are the standard you'll adhere to for any meeting, Jackie-Jackie - or it's Lawfare for you ... and no government money to support your side of things, either!  And there's a special commission set up for just that kind of complaint against you black folk ... all funded, too....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

Every group has the right to hold a peaceful meeting and discussion and to determine who they want to attend and what they want to discuss. How would you like it if you local land council had some bloke stride in and tell them they needed to do a God Save The King and a Welcome to the 21st Century ceremony or they'd be the recipients of legal action via complaint to a star chamber? Could be a good idea for those wanting to start keeping the blacks down again, eh?  These are the standard you'll adhere to for any meeting, Jackie-Jackie - or it's Lawfare for you ... and no government money to support your side of things, either!  And there's a special commission set up for just that kind of complaint against you black folk ... all funded, too....

In Grappler's case it would be a Grappler in a clown suit walking in and bleating nonsense ...

Gnads wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:55am: Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:47am: So you're making shyte up? you idiot, you're talking to your reflection again ;D No... you're a reflection .. of a pile of crap & you still have no substance.

You make crap up and I have no substance?  :D :D

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

They are not a Church, they are a lobby group, with the express goal of seeking to bring a Christian influence to Australian politics.

according to fd it was  a church service


freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 9:03am:

You are welcome to turn up to any of their services

;D ;D ;D

A meeting organised by a church - invitation only and disrupters will be removed by security, same as at a football match...

Eh, Luig!  Nobody storm inna da Italian Brohood meeting, eh?  Nobody care dat much what-a dose Italians dey want!  Better your organise a more reliable supply of spaghetti at a decent price, eh?

Who's going to gate-crash that one demanding a welcome to Australia, you Dagoes?

Should've done a whip-around and got him money for a drink, eh?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 1:24pm: Every group has the right to hold a peaceful meeting and discussion and to determine who they want to attend and what they want to discuss. How would you like it if you local land council had some bloke stride in and tell them they needed to do a God Save The King and a Welcome to the 21st Century ceremony or they'd be the recipients of legal action via complaint to a star chamber? Could be a good idea for those wanting to start keeping the blacks down again, eh?  These are the standard you'll adhere to for any meeting, Jackie-Jackie - or it's Lawfare for you ... and no government money to support your side of things, either!  And there's a special commission set up for just that kind of complaint against you black folk ... all funded, too.... In Grappler's case it would be a Grappler in a clown suit walking in and bleating nonsense ...

Can I wear blackface like you? 

Setanta wrote on Aug 28^th, 2024 at 8:18pm:

Preacher taken to Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform Welcome to Country A Christian preacher says he has been hauled before the Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform the Welcome to Country.

At every meeting of the Victorian Bar Council, president Georgina Schoff acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which the meeting is held and pays her respects to elders past, present and emerging.

At a recent meeting, I decided to acknowledge all Australians. I posted the minutes on social media and was promptly labelled a “racist”, a “visitor” and an “introduced species”. I was publicly condemned by two of my fellow Bar councillors and was told by the Indigenous Justice Committee that I had brought the Victorian Bar into disrepute.
...

When we are told that acknowledgments of country are about showing “respect” to First Nations people, what is meant is respect for Indigenous Australians as the true sovereigns of our land.

The term First Nations deserves attention. A nation is a distinct political society. Therefore the term First Nations suggests there was once a number of distinct political societies, separated from the others, that lived upon our land and were the first nations.

While the existence of tribes or clans at the time of British settlement is an established fact, the notion there were “nations” by any definition cannot be established. The idea has also been rejected by the High Court of Australia and is accordingly wrong in law: Coe v Commonwealth [1979] HCA 68 at [12].
...
In Australia, we are the beneficiaries of a legal system that has been developed over centuries and which is arguably one of the best and fairest in the world. I accept that the imprisonment rate is significantly higher for Indigenous Australians than non-Indigenous Australians. But this fact alone comes nowhere near close enough to proving our legal system is the main causal factor, or that a radical change to it by creating a two-tiered system based on race would close this gap. The reasons people commit crimes are complex and multi-factorial and are generally skewed towards economic, social and environmental factors. One thing I hope we can all agree upon is that race is not a factor.

Acknowledgments of country are not about showing “respect”. They are political statements signalling support for a two-tiered system based on race. They have no place in the law, including in our courtrooms, and the average Australian instinctively knows this. A colleague recently told me that when court commenced with an acknowledgment of country, their client immediately felt the judge would take a view against them and lost any notion of receiving a fair trial. This is what happens when the legal system infects itself with politics.

For as long as people continue to make political statements by way of acknowledgments of country, I will continue to acknowledge all Australians, signalling my support for an Australia where we are all equal and subject to the same laws regardless of our race.

(Lana Collaris is a barrister and member of the Victorian Bar Council.)

Frank wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 28th, 2024 at 8:18pm: Preacher taken to Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform Welcome to Country A Christian preacher says he has been hauled before the Human Rights Commission after refusing to perform the Welcome to Country. At every meeting of the Victorian Bar Council, president Georgina Schoff acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which the meeting is held and pays her respects to elders past, present and emerging. At a recent meeting, I decided to acknowledge all Australians. I posted the minutes on social media and was promptly labelled a “racist”, a “visitor” and an “introduced species”. I was publicly condemned by two of my fellow Bar councillors and was told by the Indigenous Justice Committee that I had brought the Victorian Bar into disrepute. ... When we are told that acknowledgments of country are about showing “respect” to First Nations people, what is meant is respect for Indigenous Australians as the true sovereigns of our land. The term First Nations deserves attention. A nation is a distinct political society. Therefore the term First Nations suggests there was once a number of distinct political societies, separated from the others, that lived upon our land and were the first nations. While the existence of tribes or clans at the time of British settlement is an established fact, the notion there were “nations” by any definition cannot be established. The idea has also been rejected by the High Court of Australia and is accordingly wrong in law: Coe v Commonwealth [1979] HCA 68 at [12]. ... In Australia, we are the beneficiaries of a legal system that has been developed over centuries and which is arguably one of the best and fairest in the world. I accept that the imprisonment rate is significantly higher for Indigenous Australians than non-Indigenous Australians. But this fact alone comes nowhere near close enough to proving our legal system is the main causal factor, or that a radical change to it by creating a two-tiered system based on race would close this gap. The reasons people commit crimes are complex and multi-factorial and are generally skewed towards economic, social and environmental factors. One thing I hope we can all agree upon is that race is not a factor. Acknowledgments of country are not about showing “respect”. They are political statements signalling support for a two-tiered system based on race. They have no place in the law, including in our courtrooms, and the average Australian instinctively knows this. A colleague recently told me that when court commenced with an acknowledgment of country, their client immediately felt the judge would take a view against them and lost any notion of receiving a fair trial. This is what happens when the legal system infects itself with politics. For as long as people continue to make political statements by way of acknowledgments of country, I will continue to acknowledge all Australians, signalling my support for an Australia where we are all equal and subject to the same laws regardless of our race. (Lana Collaris is a barrister and member of the Victorian Bar Council.)

That's her (Georgina's) choice and her problem.  We don't have much truck with that kind of thing around here.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

A meeting organised by a church

no, it was organised by a lobby group

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 1:59pm: A meeting organised by a church no, it was organised by a lobby group

How does that make any difference?  Lobby groups now fall under the Compulsory Welcome To Country and Related Payouts Act, 2024?

When did that one pass Parliament(s) in this time of Voice By Stealth?

..."any Invader who does not bow to any passing Aborigine will be punished with detention in The Hole for five days and may be subject to summary execution" ....

Rule 5:-   "there will be no laughing or telling of jokes after lights out" ....

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John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 1:03pm: They are not a Church, they are a lobby group, with the express goal of seeking to bring a Christian influence to Australian politics. according to fd it was  a church service freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 9:03am: You are welcome to turn up to any of their services ;D ;D ;D

I have a long history with the ACL, I won't go into much detail, but there was a time when Jim Wallace, their MD at the time, now Chairman, was somehow a stakeholder when it came to Labor & their plan for a Mandatory ISP-level internet filter.

At the time I was working with an ISP in their internal department that dealt with the then ACMA Blacklist.  My team was involved in reporting instances of blacklisted or illegal material on user hosting or access to content on the Blacklist.  The list was highly secret and was never to see the light of day.

Some legitimate business sites were on the list because they had been compromised and were used to host illegal material.  Content that had been long ago cleaned up and removed, but they were still on the list, so it wasn't maintained well.

Long story short, Labor twisted the narrative from "should the Government control a secret blacklist of sites that they can block without oversight by the public, under the guise of combating child pornography" (we didn't use the term CSE back then), to "Is it technically possible to do this".

In the end, they did a feasibility study that comments on a lab test Telstra did, in a simulated environment and a single laptop, which allowed Conroy to say that they can block these sites with an impact on performance of no more than 1/70th of the blink of an eye.

And the process continued on.  No more questions of should we, and the can was answered in the yes, even though their own tests showed it wouldn't work as advertised, hence the commenting on the Telstra Lab tests.

To get to the point, somehow the ACL and Jim Wallace were able to get into closed-room meetings with the Government and even the Minister and industry stakeholders to decide what Australians could and couldn't access on the internet.

There was an infiltration into the ACL to positions where someone could provide "friendly" technical advice, gain access to their plans and what they were doing, and feed that info to others fighting the cause.

Long long story short, those in the ACL are power-hungry and despicable people.  They will do anything, even flirting with the law in terms of donations and gifts if it furthers their cause and over time, it was less and less about the Church but their own crusade for influence and access to the halls of power.

Nothing has changed.

They all operate in an echo chamber and often, from Wendy Francis, Lyle Shelton and Jim himself, they let their mask slip and say the quiet part out loud in public, from Chaplains in schools to fighting for the right to expel children for being gay or that it is impossible for men to rape their wives as they don't have the right to refuse them sex under the bible because their husbands own their flesh.

The comments made by Dave Pellowe were not during a church service, nor were his follow-up comments.  It was at a conference discussing how to infiltrate local, state and federal governments and agencies with people who will push their agenda.  Very similar to the ACL, which is why they're often a crossover.

He has tried to excuse his comments by painting the Welcome to Country as a religious ritual that is incompatible with his Christian Beliefs, rather than an acknowledgement of the traditional owners of the land.

While he may not be an ACL member or hold any power within their ranks, he is of their ilk, just another heathen exploiting their faith and their position within the church to secure influence and power over others.

It's the personal business of a group - ask and ye may be permitted entry if you have something to contribute - if you are just there to wage your own 7/10, then stay out.

Nothing anywhere there to justify any demand for a paid for Welcome To Your Country business.... it's not obligatory, and if people choose to see it as a 'religious' thing - so what?  It's all about the spirits man...

What do you call that syndrome where someone merely claims to have voices in their head... umm ...  Munchausen's Mental Proxy Schizophrenic Impersonation Disorder?

As I said - just pass the hat around, gather up a few coins, and send him down the pub for a drink... does the NRL judiciary allow just anyone to wander in and make trouble? Just asking... they're pretty good arse-kissers and nut-lickers these days... but even so ....

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SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

I have a long history with the ACL, I won't go into much detail, but there was a time when Jim Wallace, their MD at the time, now Chairman, was somehow a stakeholder when it came to Labor & their plan for a Mandatory ISP-level internet filter. At the time I was working with an ISP in their internal department that dealt with the then ACMA Blacklist.  My team was involved in reporting instances of blacklisted or illegal material on user hosting or access to content on the Blacklist.  The list was highly secret and was never to see the light of day. Some legitimate business sites were on the list because they had been compromised and were used to host illegal material.  Content that had been long ago cleaned up and removed, but they were still on the list, so it wasn't maintained well. Long story short, Labor twisted the narrative from "should the Government control a secret blacklist of sites that they can block without oversight by the public, under the guise of combating child pornography" (we didn't use the term CSE back then), to "Is it technically possible to do this". In the end, they did a feasibility study that comments on a lab test Telstra did, in a simulated environment and a single laptop, which allowed Conroy to say that they can block these sites with an impact on performance of no more than 1/70th of the blink of an eye. And the process continued on.  No more questions of should we, and the can was answered in the yes, even though their own tests showed it wouldn't work as advertised, hence the commenting on the Telstra Lab tests. To get to the point, somehow the ACL and Jim Wallace were able to get into closed-room meetings with the Government and even the Minister and industry stakeholders to decide what Australians could and couldn't access on the internet. There was an infiltration into the ACL to positions where someone could provide "friendly" technical advice, gain access to their plans and what they were doing, and feed that info to others fighting the cause. Long long story short, those in the ACL are power-hungry and despicable people.  They will do anything, even flirting with the law in terms of donations and gifts if it furthers their cause and over time, it was less and less about the Church but their own crusade for influence and access to the halls of power. Nothing has changed. They all operate in an echo chamber and often, from Wendy Francis, Lyle Shelton and Jim himself, they let their mask slip and say the quiet part out loud in public, from Chaplains in schools to fighting for the right to expel children for being gay or that it is impossible for men to rape their wives as they don't have the right to refuse them sex under the bible because their husbands own their flesh. The comments made by Dave Pellowe were not during a church service, nor were his follow-up comments.  It was at a conference discussing how to infiltrate local, state and federal governments and agencies with people who will push their agenda.  Very similar to the ACL, which is why they're often a crossover. He has tried to excuse his comments by painting the Welcome to Country as a religious ritual that is incompatible with his Christian Beliefs, rather than an acknowledgement of the traditional owners of the land. While he may not be an ACL member or hold any power within their ranks, he is of their ilk, just another heathen exploiting their faith and their position within the church to secure influence and power over others.

I've always found religious nutters to be an insidious lot and a pox on democracy. 

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 6:08pm:

How does that make any difference?

If it didn't make a difference you wouldn't have pretended it was a church :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 6:08pm: How does that make any difference?  If it didn't make a difference you wouldn't have pretended it was a church :D

Never said t was a church thing - it's a private meeting, invitation only, if this Invader wanted to say something on the issues, he could have asked to be included - instead he storm trooped his way in demanding a paid nonsense to suit himself, and then when told NO he got huffy and tried to get Big Mummy to save his ass.

Weak as piss.  That group should get a order to prevent him coming again.

Go back to trying to get at freediver over this church nonsense... the issue was the invasion of a group without right or reason, and then using intimidation to try to get his way with that group.

He's lucky they were decent Christians and didn't just throw him on his arse... they tried to turn the other cheek.... maybe next time, eh?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

the issue was the invasion of a group without right or reason

As someone who has supported the British invading this land and saying they should have killed all the indigenous population when they had the chance, surely you can see the irony in this comment of yours...

Invasion is bad when it suits you...

Haha.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 9:55am: the issue was the invasion of a group without right or reason As someone who has supported the British invading this land and saying they should have killed all the indigenous population when they had the chance, surely you can see the irony in this comment of yours... Invasion is bad when it suits you... Haha.

Couldn't care less about your fanciful 'invasion' - I'm seventh generation Australian and have EVERY right to be here ... may have been better if they had killed them all off - but they didn't and those left prosper The White Man's Way. 

They can always take to the bush again and take you with them.

Some have demanded their own State/Homeland - when offered they don't want it.

So you don't mind if some Neo-Nazis gate crash the next Aboriginal meeting and demand they sing 'Advance Australia Fair' and 'God Save the King', do you?

Grow up and get into the 21st Century.  Better still - get your uppity gate-crasher to go gate-crash the La'emba Mosque during a service or meeting..... he's that determined that all others will abide by the voices in his head.... turn 'im loose!!

Haha.

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

You don't need to get so emotional princess.  I know I hit a nerve, but settle down...

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 8:35am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 6:43pm: I have a long history with the ACL, I won't go into much detail, but there was a time when Jim Wallace, their MD at the time, now Chairman, was somehow a stakeholder when it came to Labor & their plan for a Mandatory ISP-level internet filter. At the time I was working with an ISP in their internal department that dealt with the then ACMA Blacklist.  My team was involved in reporting instances of blacklisted or illegal material on user hosting or access to content on the Blacklist.  The list was highly secret and was never to see the light of day. Some legitimate business sites were on the list because they had been compromised and were used to host illegal material.  Content that had been long ago cleaned up and removed, but they were still on the list, so it wasn't maintained well. Long story short, Labor twisted the narrative from "should the Government control a secret blacklist of sites that they can block without oversight by the public, under the guise of combating child pornography" (we didn't use the term CSE back then), to "Is it technically possible to do this". In the end, they did a feasibility study that comments on a lab test Telstra did, in a simulated environment and a single laptop, which allowed Conroy to say that they can block these sites with an impact on performance of no more than 1/70th of the blink of an eye. And the process continued on.  No more questions of should we, and the can was answered in the yes, even though their own tests showed it wouldn't work as advertised, hence the commenting on the Telstra Lab tests. To get to the point, somehow the ACL and Jim Wallace were able to get into closed-room meetings with the Government and even the Minister and industry stakeholders to decide what Australians could and couldn't access on the internet. There was an infiltration into the ACL to positions where someone could provide "friendly" technical advice, gain access to their plans and what they were doing, and feed that info to others fighting the cause. Long long story short, those in the ACL are power-hungry and despicable people.  They will do anything, even flirting with the law in terms of donations and gifts if it furthers their cause and over time, it was less and less about the Church but their own crusade for influence and access to the halls of power. Nothing has changed. They all operate in an echo chamber and often, from Wendy Francis, Lyle Shelton and Jim himself, they let their mask slip and say the quiet part out loud in public, from Chaplains in schools to fighting for the right to expel children for being gay or that it is impossible for men to rape their wives as they don't have the right to refuse them sex under the bible because their husbands own their flesh. The comments made by Dave Pellowe were not during a church service, nor were his follow-up comments.  It was at a conference discussing how to infiltrate local, state and federal governments and agencies with people who will push their agenda.  Very similar to the ACL, which is why they're often a crossover. He has tried to excuse his comments by painting the Welcome to Country as a religious ritual that is incompatible with his Christian Beliefs, rather than an acknowledgement of the traditional owners of the land. While he may not be an ACL member or hold any power within their ranks, he is of their ilk, just another heathen exploiting their faith and their position within the church to secure influence and power over others. I've always found religious nutters to be an insidious lot and a pox on democracy.

You don't realise, do you, that traditional Aborigines are deeply religious, superstitious and soaked in supernatural beliefs and magic. They believe in spirits everywhere, fear and worship and revere them.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 12:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:30pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 9:42pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself. You are low , so enjoy your masturbation.  It’s quite remarkable how you feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy. If you lack the emotional fortitude to handle reciprocal discourse, perhaps you should refrain from initiating it. The concept is not exactly complex, bitch.

In your dreams Sacka  ::) in fact I was replying to same said reciprocal discourse... TNUC.

Gnads wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 12:35pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:30pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 9:42pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself. You are low , so enjoy your masturbation.  It’s quite remarkable how you feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy. If you lack the emotional fortitude to handle reciprocal discourse, perhaps you should refrain from initiating it. The concept is not exactly complex, bitch. In your dreams Sacka  ::) in fact I was replying to same said reciprocal discourse... TNUC.

If you want to call me a front bottom just come out and say it friend.  It's the appropriate emotional response in light of your previous meltdown.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:08am: John Smith wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 7:04am: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:33pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 11:19am: Setanta wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm: They are false, as is the preachers faith ... but that's irrelevant. He wasn't at a church service. He was at a conference discussing the relationship between church and state. It wasn't a platform for the preacher to peddle his crap It was ... exactly it was, you dickhead. No, it wasn't you dumbarse. It was a conference about the link between church and state. Something that affects us all, be you religious or not. Run by the ACL - Australian Christian Lobby. Did you miss that bit knucklephuk? So every one of these events is a "Church Service" because it's hosted by the ACL? Church and State Conference​ Make It Count Forums Election Forums​ Days of Action Baby Booties Display Meet the Candidate Events​ Fidelis Events Senate Candidates Meet & Greet Momentum Events​ They are not a Church, they are a lobby group, with the express goal of seeking to bring a Christian influence to Australian politics. Political Lobby Group, nothing more.

You're the one using the "church service" analogy. DH.

They are 1st & foremost a Christian Lobby Group. So their conference would have Christian backgrounding as to how they approach/lobby Govt.  And why not?

They're not the only ones who do so out of self/group interest.

We have another religious group who want a say in our politics and also want to introduce a system of religious law - that they reckon should be the only law applicable to them. Sharia. They have even started a Muslim/Islamic specific political party/lobby group.

So belt that up ya Prima Donna.

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 1:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 12:02pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:55am: Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:47am: So you're making shyte up? you idiot, you're talking to your reflection again ;D No... you're a reflection .. of a pile of crap & you still have no substance. You I am make are crap up and I have no substance?  :D :D

That's correct ...you are & you do.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 12:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:08pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 12:35pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:30pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 9:42pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself. You are low , so enjoy your masturbation.  It’s quite remarkable how you feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy. If you lack the emotional fortitude to handle reciprocal discourse, perhaps you should refrain from initiating it. The concept is not exactly complex, bitch. In your dreams Sacka  ::) in fact I was replying to same said reciprocal discourse... TNUC. If you want to call me a front bottom just come out and say it friend.  It's the appropriate emotional response in light of your previous meltdown.

I did .... & you saw & knew what I was saying ... I reserve the right of how I go about dodging the swear filter here ... not you.

So bite me you soggy marshmallow. 

None of which even begins to indicate any 'right' of any person to walk in and demand a ceremony just to suit him/her.  If a Musso did that would he (won't be a she) get any time at all?

People have a right to hold a peaceful meeting in peace and not be invaded and threatened by any passing idiot with a shoulder chip.

If this kind of madness gets up in any 'commission' - time to burn down the commission the Tarneen way  ... no... no... not literally .... true story...

These are ALL way past their use by date here and time to go back to bringing in and encouraging only those who wish to be a positive part of Australia. That's where all your tax money goes, people - not on Country - on this kind of wishy-washy social science bulldust.

The GST, the sale of everything - all supposed to build, build, build - and this is what you've got for your billions.

Gnads wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:14pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:08pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 12:35pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2024 at 4:30pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 9:42pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30th, 2024 at 2:48pm: I can pick a handful of people here who, if they'd directed their comments towards an individual of Indigenous decent, rather than the race as a whole, would be facing the Human Rights Commission too. That should make FD a little worried given he platforms their hate. Phuk off you Sad Sacka Shyte. You're the epitome of virtue signaling softcocks. When you go low, you can go bugger yourself. You are low , so enjoy your masturbation.  It’s quite remarkable how you feel entitled to hurl insults and then recoil in melodramatic distress when met with the same energy. If you lack the emotional fortitude to handle reciprocal discourse, perhaps you should refrain from initiating it. The concept is not exactly complex, bitch. In your dreams Sacka  ::) in fact I was replying to same said reciprocal discourse... TNUC. If you want to call me a front bottom just come out and say it friend.  It's the appropriate emotional response in light of your previous meltdown. I did .... & you saw & knew what I was saying ... I reserve the right of how I go about dodging the swear filter here ... not you. So bite me you soggy marshmallow.

Tissue?

Gnads wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 12:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 1:42pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 12:02pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:55am: Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:47am: So you're making shyte up? you idiot, you're talking to your reflection again ;D No... you're a reflection .. of a pile of crap & you still have no substance. You I am make are crap up and I have no substance?  :D :D That's correct ...you are & you do.

that's it dingbat?  ;D ;D ;D

why did you even bother unless it was to prove your stupidity to everyone?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

Never said t was a church thing -

no, others did, and you jumped in pretending it didn't matter.  Perhaps you should pay attention to what you comment on next time.


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 9:55am:

it's a private meeting, invitation only

you making it up now crappler? Can you show where it was ever suggested that it was a private meeting?


Quote:

and disrupters will be removed by security

but he wasn't removed... so either you're still making crap up or he wasn't a 'disrupter'.

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

You don't realise, do you, that traditional Aborigines are deeply religious, superstitious and soaked in supernatural beliefs and magic. They believe in spirits everywhere, fear and worship and revere them.

I'm sure you think you're making some sort of point .... ;D ;D

Doesn't matter - it was a private meeting - the Boonger had no right to waltz in and make demands - end of discussion.  As nice Christians they turned the other cheek and didn't throw him on his arse - so he slapped that one as well.

https://media.tenor.com/nTfRELQql9kAAAAM/family-guy-you-cheeky-bastard.gif

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

Doesn't matter - it was a private meeting -

was it? or did you just make that up?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

Doesn't matter - it was a private meeting - the Boonger had no right to waltz in and make demands - end of discussion.  As nice Christians they turned the other cheek and didn't throw him on his arse - so he slapped that one as well. https://media.tenor.com/nTfRELQql9kAAAAM/family-guy-you-cheeky-bastard.gif

Anyone can register to go,

https://www.churchandstate.com.au/register/

You can even get free tickets as the event gets closer and they have empty seats, similar to a Trump rally so the attendee numbers are higher, but they still encourage you to donate.

It's all about PR.

And telling you how to vote, without exactly telling you so they don't fall foul of the AEC.

I've been to one of their events before, it's exactly what you'd expect.  During the mingling afterwards, when the cameras aren't rolling you hear their real opinions about LGBTQ+, Indigenous Australians, other faiths and the gender roles in society.

And the guy thought he was in a friendly room, let his bigotry slip out, and now is trying to hide behind religion to justify it.

It's only those who are also bigoted who are jumping to this man's defence and trying to paint him as the victim because it's what they always do to justify their own hate.

Knee jerk reactions and all...

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 10:29pm: Doesn't matter - it was a private meeting - was it? or did you just make that up?

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SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 10:29pm: Doesn't matter - it was a private meeting - the Boonger had no right to waltz in and make demands - end of discussion.  As nice Christians they turned the other cheek and didn't throw him on his arse - so he slapped that one as well. https://media.tenor.com/nTfRELQql9kAAAAM/family-guy-you-cheeky-bastard.gif Anyone can register to go, https://www.churchandstate.com.au/register/ You can even get free tickets as the event gets closer and they have empty seats, similar to a Trump rally so the attendee numbers are higher, but they still encourage you to donate. It's all about PR. And telling you how to vote, without exactly telling you so they don't fall foul of the AEC. I've been to one of their events before, it's exactly what you'd expect.  During the mingling afterwards, when the cameras aren't rolling you hear their real opinions about LGBTQ+, Indigenous Australians, other faiths and the gender roles in society. And the guy thought he was in a friendly room, let his bigotry slip out, and now is trying to hide behind religion to justify it. It's only those who are also bigoted who are jumping to this man's defence and trying to paint him as the victim because it's what they always do to justify their own hate. Knee jerk reactions and all...

Why is it bigotry to say your won't be doing another ad infinitum Welcome to Country?

And pay respect to what elders past, what elders present & what elders emerging?

Is that sort of thing tolerated for other races?

Tell me how does an elder emerge? And how do you pay respects to someone who isn't even here yet?

It's the height of overkill in fawning to the ridiculous.

Do you respect the office of Prime Minister?

I've often wondered why there were no streakers at the Colosseum ....

By george - of course it wasn't a controlled audience or private meeting!!  ANYONE could REGISTER to go.... do you see how bizarre you utter lack of reasoning is there?  You had to REGISTER so it was a private meeting with screened audience.

So if your Keffir had anything of value to add - say discussing the intrinsic merits of having a WTC thing paid for at every meeting everywhere - all he had to do was REGISTER and get past the gatekeepers.  If his intention was to come in and disrupt the meeting with demands over an issue they were not intending to discuss in any way - he could and should have rightly been shown the door, like any streaker at the Colosseum ... pursued by the Praetorians and maybe an angry gladiator or two...

Release the Lions!!

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

Do you respect the office of Prime Minister?

Oh - so now welcoming the PM to some gathering in an official capacity is the same as a WTC?  Would you like the crowd to sing Spirits Save The Booga or something and touch forelocks as well - lick their nuts maybe?

You lot get funnier by the day... more into fantasyland .. best you dig around for another 'gotcha' attempt, tiger.  Your already feeble intellect is fading. Sonny - the don't own the country and they don't run it their wayl.

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 9:55am: Never said t was a church thing - no, others did, and you jumped in pretending it didn't matter.  Perhaps you should pay attention to what you comment on next time. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 9:55am: it's a private meeting, invitation only you making it up now crappler? Can you show where it was ever suggested that it was a private meeting? Quote: and disrupters will be removed by security but he wasn't removed... so either you're still making crap up or he wasn't a 'disrupter'.

No he wasn't ... he stayed ... then afterwards he took his offended self home and made a complaint to the HRC.

a complete softcock behind the scenes offended  blackfella whinger ... like you except you're not black ... just daigo olive or northern Italian white.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

Do you respect the office of Prime Minister?

There is relevance there how?

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

No he wasn't .

thats what I said dumbarse

Gnads wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 2:32pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 9:55am: Never said t was a church thing - no, others did, and you jumped in pretending it didn't matter.  Perhaps you should pay attention to what you comment on next time. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 9:55am: it's a private meeting, invitation only you making it up now crappler? Can you show where it was ever suggested that it was a private meeting? Quote: and disrupters will be removed by security but he wasn't removed... so either you're still making crap up or he wasn't a 'disrupter'. No he wasn't ... he stayed ... then afterwards he took his offended self home and made a complaint to the HRC. a complete softcock behind the scenes offended  blackfella whinger ... like you except you're not black ... just daigo olive or northern Italian white.

Christian forebearance ... most would have been in their rights and used those to turf him making demands like that.  So he stayed even though they refused the 'ceremony' and then found some crocodile tears to carry off to the HRC pack of losers and halfway housers.  so he got to stay and listen and then stab them in the back - softcock is too soft a word ....

How do I know the HRC is a pack of losers - my ex-wife - The Mad Russian - went there to make a complaint about being persecuted by the KGB because her father, as a POW, changed over to the German side... and then lost both legs.  They treated her as if she was crazy and sent her home to me to deal with.... so she letterbox-bombed the neighbours telling them she was on to them and they'd better cut it out right now....   :o