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Message started by freediver on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:10am

Title: Bruce Highway closed
Post by freediver on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:10am
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-01/bruce-highway-long-wait-to-reopen-after-truck-explosion/104295292


Quote:
In short:
A section of the state's major highway between Brisbane and Cairns has been closed since Friday morning after a chemical truck crash caused large-scale damage to the roadway.

Police patrolling the stretch of highway are being offered extra support after attending three serious crashes, including two fatal incidents, over the past week.

What's next?
It's unclear whether a culvert which allows water to run under the road, located near the crash site, will need remediation works.



Quote:
The 47-year-old truck driver from New South Wales was airlifted to hospital in a serious condition, while the driver of the ute died at the scene.

Around 50 people were evacuated from nearby after the truck exploded several hours after the crash.

Cr Burnett said repairs to the culvert could cause the major thoroughfare to be closed for weeks.

He said, for now, drivers were forced to add hours to their journey with heavy vehicles being diverted at Childers through Biggenden and Biloela.

RACQ's general manager of advocacy Joshua Cooney said users of the "substandard" Bruce Highway were more likely to be involved in a serious collision than other comparable roads.

"It's unsafe. It's a two-star rating, according to established rating systems," he said.

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Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:48am

"Bruce"   ;D

How Aussie is that!





Sad someone has died   :'(

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Carl D on Sep 1st, 2024 at 11:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:48am:
"Bruce"   ;D

How Aussie is that!

Sad someone has died   :'(


Indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNBy1D1Y0h4

Monty Python - Australian Bruces

But yes, it is sad that someone has died.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Yadda on Sep 1st, 2024 at 11:47am

Looking at the image of the crater.......

I guess that is why TRANSPORT DEPT's classify some loads as,
"DANGEROUS GOODS"


!!           :o


Q.
Wouldn't a load as dangerous as that load was [demonstrated to be],
be entitled to have an 'escort' vehicle accompany it ?

Or, would the extra costs be a negative consideration ?



Imagine if this collision [and subsequent explosion] had occurred
on the 'main street' of some small town, while in transit through a small country town.




Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 1st, 2024 at 12:51pm
'Between 6 per cent and 8 per cent of 10,000 cane toads examined throughout the Gladstone region in the past three years had been found with abnormalities. Dr Wilson said the city's heavy industry was not necessarily to blame for malformations in the toads, but water quality and health of fish in Gladstone Harbour had been the focus of environmental concern'. Truck explosions can cause toad losses.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Daves2017 on Sep 1st, 2024 at 6:01pm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-01/bruce-highway-long-wait-to-reopen-after-truck-explosion/104295292

Another person now killed due to the Bruce highway accident.
Details are hard to find but I know first hand Queensland’s back roads can often find So I won’t speculate.

Given it’s taken the Queensland government ten years to upgrade the m1 behind the gold coast and it’s almost half done and 58 times over budget I think the Bruce highway repairs could well be completed next millennium

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Sep 1st, 2024 at 7:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:48am:
"Bruce"   ;D

How Aussie is that!





Sad someone has died   :'(


Cooney?  How Australian is that?

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Daves2017 on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:06pm
First ( pretend) world country with third world highways!

How Australian/ Queenslander is that ?!?

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:48am:
"Bruce"   ;D

How Aussie is that!





Sad someone has died   :'(




Quote:
It was previously known as the Great North Coast Road, being renamed as the Bruce Highway in 1934 after the state's Minister for Public Works, Henry Bruce.
[1]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Highway

So you didn't do an Australian history or Geography at school?

Lived an insular life in your WA bubble?

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:01am
Latin australis means 'southern'.  'East' is from Proto-Germanic *aust- east 'toward the sunrise" from root *aus- 'to shine' especially of the dawn.
West from *wes- 'evening, night'.
An Aust highway can take you south, east, west - who knows where?

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am

freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 10:10am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-01/bruce-highway-long-wait-to-reopen-after-truck-explosion/104295292


Quote:
RACQ's general manager of advocacy Joshua Cooney said users of the "substandard" Bruce Highway were more likely to be involved in a serious collision than other comparable roads.

"It's unsafe. It's a two-star rating, according to established rating systems," he said.


This accident has nothing to do with the state of the Bruce Highway.  That is deflection from the real issue. (maybe not from the RACQ, but others have said this)

The road surface was perfect at the scene and there was even solar powered street lighting. Fog was one factor, and driver error another. It could just as easily have happened driving through Brisbane motorways. However there is still the elephant in the room:

I want to know who on earth made the decision to transport Ammonium Nitrate Emulsion on a major road from Central Queensland to a mine in NSW.  It's not just ammonium nitrate or fertiliser.  All you have to do is add a cocktail of impurities (soil and heat works quite well too) and it can be detonated. It already contains the oil. It is much much more likely to explode than Ammonium nitrate prill.

The only person brave (or naïve) enough to say that it was AN emulsion was the QFRS Incident Commander. None of the media reports include this information.

The decision was made many years ago to classify it as an oxidiser, as opposed to an explosive. After all, it was only going to be transported a short distance to the minesites.

It was a loud shudder. I thought an aircraft had crashed nearby, it was so loud.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:33am
The largest non-nuclear blast in modern history took place on August 4, 2020 in Beirut, Lebanon, after an estimated 2750 tons of unsafely stored ammonium nitrate exploded.  Within the port area, the explosion destroyed a section of shoreline and left a blast crater roughly 124 m in diameter and 43 m in depth. Homes as far as 10 kilometers away were damaged by the blast, and up to 300,000 people were left homeless by the explosion.
No-one was responsible and anyone with information is requested to shut up.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by freediver on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:48am
Whatever method they used to store it, I think they did a reasonable job. It did not explode until several hours after the crash, and no-one was killed by the explosion. If you propose that this stuff be mixed onsite, you would have to demonstrate that this would be safer overall, not just safer on the road. Would people be more likely do die on the minesite by trying to mix it there?

Probably less likely to happen in a 'downtown' area as the vehicles would not have been travelling as fast, so less damage.

Someone has now died after being struck by a vehicle on the detour route. So you could possibly attribute that to the explosion.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 10:07am
'In Queensland, ammonium nitrate emulsions are declared as an explosive under the Explosives Regulation 2017 and are treated as blasting explosives of Class 5.1'.
In Qld possession of fireworks by unlicensed persons constitutes a breach of the legislation. A penalty in excess of $52 220 and six months imprisonment can apply. Do not drive your car into an exploding truck.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 12:27pm

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 6:01pm:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-01/bruce-highway-long-wait-to-reopen-after-truck-explosion/104295292

Another person now killed due to the Bruce highway accident.
Details are hard to find but I know first hand Queensland’s back roads can often find So I won’t speculate.

Given it’s taken the Queensland government ten years to upgrade the m1 behind the gold coast and it’s almost half done and 58 times over budget I think the Bruce highway repairs could well be completed next millennium



I'd say he was killed due to his own stupidity.

Walking along the Burnett Highway at 12.30am - just after midnight in the middle of know where
in an area known as Malmoe -NW of Mundubbera.
And he was from Hervey Bay.

https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/news/2024/09/01/fatal-traffic-incident-malmoe/#:~:text=Initial%20investigations%20indicate%20just%20after,and%20died%20at%20the%20scene.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by tallowood on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 1:10pm
Terrorist attack in Oklahoma City, U.S in 1995 used homemade bomb composed of more than two tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel oil concealed in a rental truck.


Judging by the crater size on Bruce Hwy there have to be much more then 2 tons of ammonium nitrate.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 1:51pm
The tanker was carrying 42 tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

'Darwin. 19 Feb 42.
Heavy raids, 50 tons of bombs dropped. 243 killed, 350 wounded. Two ships set on fire, one blown up damaging the pier. Six ships sunk and seven more damaged;  three Catalina aircraft destroyed and two US vessels destroyed. Post and telegraph offices destroyed, police station, barracks, cable office, and government offices destroyed and hospital damaged. RAAF hospital, recreation hall, equipment store, many houses and living quarters destroyed.'

Queensland Nitrates Pty Ltd, Moura Gladstone, produces 185,000 tonnes of explosive grade ammonium nitrate for use in the production of explosives for the mining industry.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 2:07pm

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:48am:
Whatever method they used to store it, I think they did a reasonable job. It did not explode until several hours after the crash, and no-one was killed by the explosion. If you propose that this stuff be mixed onsite, you would have to demonstrate that this would be safer overall, not just safer on the road. Would people be more likely do die on the minesite by trying to mix it there?

Probably less likely to happen in a 'downtown' area as the vehicles would not have been travelling as fast, so less damage.

Someone has now died after being struck by a vehicle on the detour route. So you could possibly attribute that to the explosion.


A couple of issues there. Shots on minesites are only set by qualified people, usually always from the supplier. Emulsion is usually only used for wet boreholes and is manufactured off site. I have no issues with the transport other than the route taken. They could have easily bypassed major cities.

B-Doubles containing Dangerous Goods are given designated routes.  They are not allowed to go "downtown".  As for slower speeds, remind me what the speed limit on the Gateway Motorway is again? There have already been Hazmat incidents on that route, and it's probably a matter of time before emulsion is involved.

The death of the ute driver was instantaneous. The accident was probably due to not driving to conditions (both vehicles) and the thick fog at the time. If it had been anything other than explosives, the ongoing consequences would not have been so serious.

They had to evacuate Bororen at very short notice. One resident came back to find a piece of truck embedded in her house.

What I'm saying is that the potential consequences could have been much worse. It was fortunate that  there was very little wind in this case,  and it was blowing away from population centres. (think clouds of NOx blowing across Carindale or Rochedale)

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 2:26pm

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 10:07am:
'In Queensland, ammonium nitrate emulsions are declared as an explosive under the Explosives Regulation 2017 and are treated as blasting explosives of Class 5.1'.
In Qld possession of fireworks by unlicensed persons constitutes a breach of the legislation. A penalty in excess of $52 220 and six months imprisonment can apply. Do not drive your car into an exploding truck.


Explosives are Class 1.  AN Emulsion are Class 5.1, which is "Oxidising Substances".

Moura is not in Gladstone, and there are two producers of Ammonium Nitrate in Central Queensland.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 2:44pm

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am:
The decision was made many years ago to classify it as an oxidiser, as opposed to an explosive. After all, it was only going to be transported a short distance to the minesites.

Thank goodness for that. The Highway and humans would just be oxidised, for a short distance.  A crater of oxidise. Bruce oxide. (Not a greenhouse gas)

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by tallowood on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 2:49pm
Using explosives in mining  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcgkSSQvVQg

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 3:26pm
Gladstone soil is Aluminum Oxide, Iron Oxide, Potassium Oxide,  Sodium Oxide, Silicon Dioxide, Magnesium oxide and Calcium oxide.  Nothing changes when it's oxidised.
Road tar contains between 50% to 90% carbon. The Bruce crater has about 30 sq m of tar oxidised, with bitumen 80mm depth, 2.4 cu.m, of 95 percent stone, sand and gravel and just 5 percent asphalt. It lost 1 cu.m, say .08 cu.m carbon. 1 cu m of carbon weighs 2 266 kilograms so 190kg. CO2 weight is about 4 times carbon,  760 kg C02.
An average truck emits 223 tons of CO2 per annum, 300 times the explosion's CO2. The explosion was environmentally friendly, added nitrogen to the soil and removed a polluting truck from emitting 70 tons CO2 the rest of this year.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:33pm

tallowood wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 1:10pm:
Terrorist attack in Oklahoma City, U.S in 1995 used homemade bomb composed of more than two tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel oil concealed in a rental truck.




Judging by the crater size on Bruce Hwy there have to be much more then 2 tons of ammonium nitrate.


The crater was off the side of the road ... not in the middle of it.

The truck had gone bush.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:40pm

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 1:51pm:
The tanker was carrying 42 tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

'Darwin. 19 Feb 42.
Heavy raids, 50 tons of bombs dropped. 243 killed, 350 wounded. Two ships set on fire, one blown up damaging the pier. Six ships sunk and seven more damaged;  three Catalina aircraft destroyed and two US vessels destroyed. Post and telegraph offices destroyed, police station, barracks, cable office, and government offices destroyed and hospital damaged. RAAF hospital, recreation hall, equipment store, many houses and living quarters destroyed.'

Queensland Nitrates Pty Ltd, Moura Gladstone, produces 185,000 tonnes of explosive grade ammonium nitrate for use in the production of explosives for the mining industry.


So if the ammonium nitrate was being made in Moura - in the heart of mining territory - what was a tanker of it doing on the Bruce Highway near Bororen? Obviously not mining explosives but soil injectable fertilizer.

Liquid ammonium nitrate is used as a fertilizer .. not an addition to explosives for mining. How would they accurately place the right amount of liquid down a deep hole?

It its solid form it's called "urea"it has always been a fertilizer & used in mining explosives.

Just don't go into to Bunnings and buy more than 1 bag at a time.  ;D

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:44pm

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 2:07pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:48am:
Whatever method they used to store it, I think they did a reasonable job. It did not explode until several hours after the crash, and no-one was killed by the explosion. If you propose that this stuff be mixed onsite, you would have to demonstrate that this would be safer overall, not just safer on the road. Would people be more likely do die on the minesite by trying to mix it there?

Probably less likely to happen in a 'downtown' area as the vehicles would not have been travelling as fast, so less damage.

Someone has now died after being struck by a vehicle on the detour route. So you could possibly attribute that to the explosion.


A couple of issues there. Shots on minesites are only set by qualified people, usually always from the supplier. Emulsion is usually only used for wet boreholes and is manufactured off site. I have no issues with the transport other than the route taken. They could have easily bypassed major cities.

B-Doubles containing Dangerous Goods are given designated routes.  They are not allowed to go "downtown".  As for slower speeds, remind me what the speed limit on the Gateway Motorway is again? There have already been Hazmat incidents on that route, and it's probably a matter of time before emulsion is involved.

The death of the ute driver was instantaneous. The accident was probably due to not driving to conditions (both vehicles) and the thick fog at the time. If it had been anything other than explosives, the ongoing consequences would not have been so serious.

They had to evacuate Bororen at very short notice. One resident came back to find a piece of truck embedded in her house.

What I'm saying is that the potential consequences could have been much worse. It was fortunate that  there was very little wind in this case,  and it was blowing away from population centres. (think clouds of NOx blowing across Carindale or Rochedale)


They don't use ammonium nitrate emulsions on mine sites. They use they solid pelletized form aka urea.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:46pm

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:
Gladstone soil is Aluminum Oxide, Iron Oxide, Potassium Oxide,  Sodium Oxide, Silicon Dioxide, Magnesium oxide and Calcium oxide.  Nothing changes when it's oxidised.
Road tar contains between 50% to 90% carbon. The Bruce crater has about 30 sq m of tar oxidised, with bitumen 80mm depth, 2.4 cu.m, of 95 percent stone, sand and gravel and just 5 percent asphalt. It lost 1 cu.m, say .08 cu.m carbon. 1 cu m of carbon weighs 2 266 kilograms so 190kg. CO2 weight is about 4 times carbon,  760 kg C02.
An average truck emits 223 tons of CO2 per annum, 300 times the explosion's CO2. The explosion was environmentally friendly, added nitrogen to the soil and removed a polluting truck from emitting 70 tons CO2 the rest of this year.


What a load of bollocks.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:52pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:44pm:
They don't use ammonium nitrate emulsions on mine sites. They use they solid pelletized form aka urea.

Urea is for the pot plants. 'Ammonium nitrate (AN) emulsions, suspensions and gels (UN 3375 mixtures) are transferred at the mine into MPUs for blending with various sensitisers to convert the UN 3375 mixture into Class 1 explosives. Most commonly the mixture is converted in the blast hole'.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:55pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:46pm:
What a load of bollocks.

True. All of it. There was no explosion, just processing of tar into CO2. Bruce has the pic of the hole in his highway.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Setanta on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 7:27pm

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:46pm:
What a load of bollocks.

True. All of it. There was no explosion, just processing of tar into CO2. Bruce has the pic of the hole in his highway.


Ammonium nitrate does not explode by it's self normally(not decomposing), as an oxidiser it needs a fuel. If the truck crashed spilt AN and leaked diesel, you have 2 elements of an explosion, all you need is an ignition. The video in this link clearly shows an explosive pattern from where the truck is and the fires spread around show that hot things enough to cause fires were thrown around.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13802989/bruce-highway-closed-truck-bororen-queensland.html


Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:00pm
Nothing to see here, just gum trees oxidising their flammable eucalypts.  Trucks get rusty. Especially cattle trucks loaded with urea. Closed containers may rupture violently or detonate if heated. May detonate if subjected to strong shocks, such as from an explosion. Ammonium nitrate of any grade, including fertilizer grade should be considered, especially when mixed with oil, charcoal, or other organic materials, an explosive capable of detonation by the combustion or explosion of adjacent materials.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 8:06pm
On 2 May 1858 the town of Kyneton, Victoria was lit by a gas made from eucalyptus leaves. The oil was converted into a gas that lit the town's shops, hotels and residences.
Mrs Brynny Bruce of the Highway liked her smelling salts of ammonia and didn't realise she almost exploded Kyneton with a kiloton.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:59am

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:44pm:
They don't use ammonium nitrate emulsions on mine sites. They use they solid pelletized form aka urea.


Believe me, they do. I worked in the industry for 7 years.  Urea (carbamide) is not ammonium nitrate. Urea is CO(NH2)2.  It looks a bit like Ammonium nitrate prill, but is totally different.

Emulsion is used for wet blast holes (for example after rain). AN prill is most commonly used under normal conditions, mixed with oil (ANFO). Around 95% of ammonium nitrate production is used for blasting.  If you want to use it as a fertiliser, you need a licence to buy it for concentrations above 40%.

Here is a link to one of the two suppliers, with a description of AN Emulsion:

https://www.orica.com/products-services/resources/blasting-principles


Quote:
Ammonium Nitrate Emulsion (also called EP or Emulsion Phase) is ammonium nitrate dissolved in water and suspended in oil. It is an oxidising agent used to manufacture a range of bulk blasting agents. The oil surface gives emulsion based products improved water resistance.


It doesn't matter which company is the original supplier.  The EIPs on the trucks reflect the transporter details only.

This is what the tanker looks like.  (The transporter in this particular case wasn't necessarily Toll.)
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Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:20am

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 2:44pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am:
The decision was made many years ago to classify it as an oxidiser, as opposed to an explosive. After all, it was only going to be transported a short distance to the minesites.

Thank goodness for that. The Highway and humans would just be oxidised, for a short distance.  A crater of oxidise. Bruce oxide. (Not a greenhouse gas)


Yes. Oxidised at a velocity exceeding the speed of sound in fact.  ;D

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:25am

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 3:26pm:
Gladstone soil is Aluminum Oxide, Iron Oxide, Potassium Oxide,  Sodium Oxide, Silicon Dioxide, Magnesium oxide and Calcium oxide.  Nothing changes when it's oxidised.
Road tar contains between 50% to 90% carbon. The Bruce crater has about 30 sq m of tar oxidised, with bitumen 80mm depth, 2.4 cu.m, of 95 percent stone, sand and gravel and just 5 percent asphalt. It lost 1 cu.m, say .08 cu.m carbon. 1 cu m of carbon weighs 2 266 kilograms so 190kg. CO2 weight is about 4 times carbon,  760 kg C02.
An average truck emits 223 tons of CO2 per annum, 300 times the explosion's CO2. The explosion was environmentally friendly, added nitrogen to the soil and removed a polluting truck from emitting 70 tons CO2 the rest of this year.


You're an idiot, but I mean that in a friendly way.  ;D

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:38am
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-11/exclusion-zone-valkyrie-ammonium-nitrate-truck-crash/13143552

These incidents are only too common. There have been several crashes involving ANE in Western Australia too.
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Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 9:50am
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Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:18am

Setanta wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 7:27pm:

chimera wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:46pm:
What a load of bollocks.

True. All of it. There was no explosion, just processing of tar into CO2. Bruce has the pic of the hole in his highway.


Ammonium nitrate does not explode by it's self normally(not decomposing), as an oxidiser it needs a fuel. If the truck crashed spilt AN and leaked diesel, you have 2 elements of an explosion, all you need is an ignition. The video in this link clearly shows an explosive pattern from where the truck is and the fires spread around show that hot things enough to cause fires were thrown around.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13802989/bruce-highway-closed-truck-bororen-queensland.html




The 2 other explosions of ammonium nitrate on trucks ... one near Moura a long time ago & one at Angelalla Creek sth of Charleville in 2014 involved the ammonium nitrate, leaked diesel contaminating it and fire.

And Chimp - "Ammonium nitrate (AN) is a widely used chemical compound with several important applications. As a fertilizer, it helps feed billions. It is also the main component in many types of mining explosives, where it is mixed with fuel oil and detonated by an explosive charge.

Urea = same same when it comes to being mixed with diesel and has an ignition source.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 1:22pm
Urea nitrate is explosive when left in a dry state. Wetting reduces possibility of explosion but may explode under prolonged exposure to heat or fire, even when wet.   Avoid generating dust, particularly clouds of dust in a confined or unventilated space as dusts may form an explosive mixture with air, and any source of ignition, i.e. flame or spark, will cause fire or explosion. Dry dust can be charged electrostatically by pouring, in exhaust ducts and during transport. 

Bunnings Specialised Fertiliser Garden Products.
Richgro 10kg Urea. Place flashing lights on car roof, with red flags front and back. Wrap kids in wet sacks.  Speed limit 10kmh.  Check life insurance and funeral policies. Store Urea in a concrete bunker and alert your Fire Brigade.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by tallowood on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 3:18pm
The Bruce Highway in central Queensland is expected to reopen tonight after a chemical truck explosion last week left a five-metre crater on the critical corridor.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm
Mr Mellish said his department would explore ways to avoid transporting dangerous goods on the highway, such as through the state's rail system or asking Bruce.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:07pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:18am:
Urea = same same when it comes to being mixed with diesel and has an ignition source.


You're probably thinking of Urea Nitrate.  Now that is explosive, but it's not  used much commercially. It's favoured by terrorists.

Urea is not. Think Adblu. It's about 30% urea in water. If it were explosive, it wouldn't be used with diesel engines.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:28pm
Urea.
'If a vacuum is used, explosion proof equipment is required. Nonsparking tools should be used. Dust deposits should not be allowed to accumulate on surfaces, as these may form an explosive mixture if they are released into the atmosphere in sufficient concentrations.'
https://iowafertilizer.com/assets/uploads/2017/02/IFCo-Urea-Granules-SDS-with-STCC-code.pdf

Place sandbags in the boot of your car.  Vacuum the car at the beach or Bruce Highway.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Bobby. on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:39pm

The road wasn't affected - why did they close it?





see story here:
https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8751497/like-a-missile-crater-blast-road-set-to-reopen/

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Setanta on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:40pm

chimera wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:28pm:
Urea.
'If a vacuum is used, explosion proof equipment is required. Nonsparking tools should be used. Dust deposits should not be allowed to accumulate on surfaces, as these may form an explosive mixture if they are released into the atmosphere in sufficient concentrations.'
https://iowafertilizer.com/assets/uploads/2017/02/IFCo-Urea-Granules-SDS-with-STCC-code.pdf

Place sandbags in the boot of your car.  Vacuum the car at the beach or Bruce Highway.


Urea.
Dried fermented piss.

Urea Nitrate.
Dried fermented piss and nitric acid.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:05pm
Urea.
Car is gone.

Urea nitrate.
House and car are gone.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Setanta on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:18pm

chimera wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:05pm:
Urea.
Car is gone.

Urea nitrate.
House and car are gone.


Urea has only one O. Not much oxidiser, maybe rust. Urea Nitrate has 4 to give up, don't let it near your vehicles fuel..

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 7:31pm
Urea.
Keep away from heat, sparks, and all sources of ignition. Do not smoke in areas where the product is used or stored.
Provide grounding and bonding during transfer to reduce the possibility of fire or explosion.
O

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by freediver on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 9:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:39pm:
The road wasn't affected - why did they close it?





see story here:
https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8751497/like-a-missile-crater-blast-road-set-to-reopen/


That's odd. The first picture I saw made it look like a big hole right in the middle of the road.

They were worried about the integrity of a nearby culvert.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Bobby. on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 9:52pm

freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:39pm:
The road wasn't affected - why did they close it?





see story here:
https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8751497/like-a-missile-crater-blast-road-set-to-reopen/


That's odd. The first picture I saw made it look like a big hole right in the middle of the road.

They were worried about the integrity of a nearby culvert.



yes - very strange.



Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:31pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 12:27pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Sep 1st, 2024 at 6:01pm:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-01/bruce-highway-long-wait-to-reopen-after-truck-explosion/104295292

Another person now killed due to the Bruce highway accident.
Details are hard to find but I know first hand Queensland’s back roads can often find So I won’t speculate.

Given it’s taken the Queensland government ten years to upgrade the m1 behind the gold coast and it’s almost half done and 58 times over budget I think the Bruce highway repairs could well be completed next millennium



I'd say he was killed due to his own stupidity.

Walking along the Burnett Highway at 12.30am - just after midnight in the middle of know where
in an area known as Malmoe -NW of Mundubbera.
And he was from Hervey Bay.

https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/news/2024/09/01/fatal-traffic-incident-malmoe/#:~:text=Initial%20investigations%20indicate%20just%20after,and%20died%20at%20the%20scene.


Banana bender?

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 4th, 2024 at 8:52am
Put it this way. You can buy Urea from Bunnings. You can't buy ammonium nitrate without a licence.

95% of ammonium nitrate produced in Australia is used for blasting. The remaining 5% is used for fertiliser. It's mostly used by fertiliser companies to formulate fertilisers.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by chimera on Sep 4th, 2024 at 9:13am
' If you have a claim against a retail store or Bunnings warehouse and your injuries have left you unable to work you might not need to pay for your medical expenses or financial losses At PK Simpson, we can help you lodge retail store claims for compensation whether your accident was caused by, e.g., a falling retail item, an obstacle in an aisle or urea. '
https://www.pksimpson.com.au/bunnings-store-accident-compensation-claims/

At $5.4m per lane kilometre, the average cost of class 1 rural roads is more than four times the average cost of class 3 rural roads.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 4th, 2024 at 11:06am

freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:39pm:
The road wasn't affected - why did they close it?





see story here:
https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8751497/like-a-missile-crater-blast-road-set-to-reopen/


That's odd. The first picture I saw made it look like a big hole right in the middle of the road.

They were worried about the integrity of a nearby culvert.



What you saw on the road was debris from the blast that landed on road surface.

Camera angles for more sensational pictures no?


Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by Gnads on Sep 4th, 2024 at 11:43am

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 8:52am:
Put it this way. You can buy Urea from Bunnings. You can't buy ammonium nitrate without a licence.

95% of ammonium nitrate produced in Australia is used for blasting. The remaining 5% is used for fertiliser. It's mostly used by fertiliser companies to formulate fertilisers.


I stand corrected ..... I'm sure there was a time when urea was hard to buy & they(the authorities) were paying very close attention to anyone who tried to buy large quantities from stores like Bunnings etc.

Title: Re: Bruce Highway closed
Post by John_Taverner on Sep 4th, 2024 at 5:13pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 11:43am:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 8:52am:
Put it this way. You can buy Urea from Bunnings. You can't buy ammonium nitrate without a licence.

95% of ammonium nitrate produced in Australia is used for blasting. The remaining 5% is used for fertiliser. It's mostly used by fertiliser companies to formulate fertilisers.


I stand corrected ..... I'm sure there was a time when urea was hard to buy & they(the authorities) were paying very close attention to anyone who tried to buy large quantities from stores like Bunnings etc.


Yes. It's a precursor for an explosive used by terrorists. I'll leave it at that.

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