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Message started by mothra on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:04pm

Title: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:04pm
Elon Musk suggests support for replacing democracy with government of ‘high-status males’


Elon Musk has used his large platform on X to promote a theory that a free-thinking “Republic” could only exist under the decision-making of “high status males” – and women or “low T men” would not be welcome in it.

On Sunday, Musk re-posted a screenshot of the theory – which appears to have been conceived on 4chan in 2021– on the social media site.

The theory, written by an anonymous user, suggests that the only people able to think freely are “high [testostrone] alpha males” and “aneurotypical people”, and that these “high status males” should run a “Republic” that is “only for those who are free to think.”

“People who can’t defend themselves physically (women and low T men) parse information through a consensus filter as a safety mechanism,” the post reads.
“Only high T alpha males and aneurotypical people (hey autists!) are actually free to parse new information with an objective ‘is this true?’ filter,” it adds. “This is why a Republic of high status males is best for decision making. Democratic, but a democracy only for those who are free to think.”


“Aneurotypical” is not a word but one can assume the original poster meant neurodivergent people.

Theories like this, which promote hegemonic masculinity, are often criticized for being sexist, exclusionary, not realistic and “toxic.” They are popular in alt-right communities.

“Interesting observation,” Musk said, in response to the post.

The screenshot of the theory was uploaded to X by an account called “AutismCapital” which often posts memes that appeal to right-wing individuals and support Musk’s endeavors.

It claimed the theory was “also known as the Reich effect” - seemingly a reference to Robert Reich, the former Secretary of Labor, who wrote an op-ed in The Guardian last week claiming that Musk is “out of control” and needs to be stopped.

Much of the account’s Sunday content was targeted at mocking Reich while defending the billionaire.

It is unclear if Musk re-posted the theory because he agreed with it or because it critized Reich. It’s not unlike Musk to dabble in controversial theories and misleading information on his social media platform.

The SpaceX founder often takes the stance that controversial, and sometimes offensive, posts on X are part of “free speech” and should be allowed on the platform – even when it includes false or misleading information.

That is, in part, why X was blocked in Brazil on Friday. Musk refused to comply with a legal order in a long-running battle that ignited after the social media site failed to block accounts accused of spreading fake news.

The Independent has asked X and Musk for further comment on his repost.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/elon-musk-suggests-support-for-replacing-democracy-with-government-of-high-status-males/ar-AA1pSvNK?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=b7c39f84e9044e7fb3cfb255eda4721d&ei=14


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:16pm
Musk likes to stir the pot... That's about all he's doing.

He's a stereotypical SAFA, and with a developmental disorder that arrested his psychological growth at age 15.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:40pm
that should lose a lot of female votes

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:54pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:40pm:
that should lose a lot of female votes



And a lot of male ones too, i would hope.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 5th, 2024 at 9:20pm

mothra wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:40pm:
that should lose a lot of female votes



And a lot of male ones too, i would hope.



me too

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Dnarever on Sep 5th, 2024 at 11:26pm
Anyone think that a lot of these Elon X's are just AI bots, Or is he really that stupid ?

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by aquascoot on Sep 6th, 2024 at 5:31am
i am a huge fan of musk

unlike mothra and the soy boy males, he is a guy who really does bounce out of bed with a plan
a guy who really has made the world better
a guy who is on his mission
a man of action

a james cook, ernest shackleton, george washington, alexander the great, type character.

girly men and frustrated feminists with girly men , low T partners, who kind of disgust them and cant arouse their sexuality  . look at men like musk and they have to hate,

its biological

if you are a feminist who has to resort to a vibrator or if you are a white knight who has to supplicate to a woman for a bit of mercy sex, you are living in a "hell on earth"

how could you not be a bitter resentful angry frustrated loser?

and from that position of low vibration energy, all that is left is to spew your toxic hate all over everything you touch

musk is no hater
musk is the very definition of the sacred male
musk is joyful playful and passionate
so so much to admire  :) :)

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Carl D on Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:34am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 5:31am:
i am a huge fan of musk


Now, why doesn't that surprise me?

Trump announces plan for Elon Musk-led ‘government efficiency commission’


Quote:
Donald Trump announced in a speech on Thursday that, if elected, he would form a government efficiency commission, a policy idea that Elon Musk has been pushing him to take on. The former president claimed the tech billionaire had agreed to lead the commission.

Trump made the attention-grabbing announcement during a campaign event at the Economic Club of New York, but gave no specific details about how the commission would operate.

He reiterated Musk’s argument that such a commission would cut unnecessary spending, while also saying that he would massively walk back government regulations.

“I will create a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government, and making recommendations for drastic reforms,” Trump told the crowd.


I wonder if part of their "plan" includes taking out the weak and those who dont contribute to the ecosystem... oops, economy?

Yet another reason why Donald Trump must never be allowed to become President again (he needs to be put in prison where he belongs).

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by John Smith on Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:36am

Carl D wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:34am:
Now, why doesn't that surprise me?


I would have bet money horseboy would be cheering it on. :D

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:03am
Anyone who still remembers being 15 and can recall the class clown, knows not to take Musk's tweets of this kind seriously.

When people over-reacted to one of his recent tweets, he responded to them by tweeting he'd been given the all-clear from one of the world's leading experts on offensive speech - Professor Sargon Deez-Borlz.

Yeah, it's funny... His tweets are entertainment, not serious statements.



Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Laugh till you cry on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:10am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:03am:
Anyone who still remembers being 15 and can recall the class clown, knows not to take Musk's tweets of this kind seriously.

When people over-reacted to one of his recent tweets, he responded to them by tweeting he'd been given the all-clear from one of the world's leading experts on offensive speech - Professor Sargon Deez-Borlz.

Yeah, it's funny... His tweets are entertainment, not serious statements.


Didn't MeisterEckhart's mother teach him not to talk with his mouth full?

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:18am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:03am:
Anyone who still remembers being 15 and can recall the class clown, knows not to take Musk's tweets of this kind seriously.

When people over-reacted to one of his recent tweets, he responded to them by tweeting he'd been given the all-clear from one of the world's leading experts on offensive speech - Professor Sargon Deez-Borlz.

Yeah, it's funny... His tweets are entertainment, not serious statements.


Didn't MeisterEckhart's mother teach him not to talk with his mouth full?

Ah, Asians!

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 6th, 2024 at 10:18am
I knew Musk was a dick, but... just - WOW. Just proves you don't need brains to be rich. He shouldn't be allowed to breed, especially after the absurdly ridiculous names he's given his kids.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2024 at 11:53am

mothra wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:04pm:
Elon Musk suggests support for replacing democracy with government of ‘high-status males’


Elon Musk has used his large platform on X to promote a theory that a free-thinking “Republic” could only exist under the decision-making of “high status males” – and women or “low T men” would not be welcome in it.

On Sunday, Musk re-posted a screenshot of the theory – which appears to have been conceived on 4chan in 2021– on the social media site.

The theory, written by an anonymous user, suggests that the only people able to think freely are “high [testostrone] alpha males” and “aneurotypical people”, and that these “high status males” should run a “Republic” that is “only for those who are free to think.”

“People who can’t defend themselves physically (women and low T men) parse information through a consensus filter as a safety mechanism,” the post reads.
“Only high T alpha males and aneurotypical people (hey autists!) are actually free to parse new information with an objective ‘is this true?’ filter,” it adds. “This is why a Republic of high status males is best for decision making. Democratic, but a democracy only for those who are free to think.”


“Aneurotypical” is not a word but one can assume the original poster meant neurodivergent people.

Theories like this, which promote hegemonic masculinity, are often criticized for being sexist, exclusionary, not realistic and “toxic.” They are popular in alt-right communities.

“Interesting observation,” Musk said, in response to the post.

The screenshot of the theory was uploaded to X by an account called “AutismCapital” which often posts memes that appeal to right-wing individuals and support Musk’s endeavors.

It claimed the theory was “also known as the Reich effect” - seemingly a reference to Robert Reich, the former Secretary of Labor, who wrote an op-ed in The Guardian last week claiming that Musk is “out of control” and needs to be stopped.



Free speech is fascist
Words must be controlled to ensure that Starmer’s subjects behave themselves


What did Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Ivan the Terrible, Genghis Khan, Idi Amin and Caligula have in common? That’s right: they were all able to speak.

The riots in the UK were directly caused by bad words on the internet.

This quite obviously proves that free speech is a tyrannical concept, one that can lead directly to murder, terrorism, genocide and — worst of all — misgendering.

And so it is a relief to see that one of Keir Starmer’s key priorities as prime minister is to crack down on online speech. Already he has ingenuously granted early release from prison for drug dealers, sex offenders and violent criminals to free up space for bigots who have said nasty things on social media.

The government has repeatedly pointed out that the riots in the UK were directly caused by bad words on the internet. One of those arrested was an elderly retired midwife from Devon, who had accidentally read an inflammatory Facebook post whilst browsing for cupcake recipes. Within ten minutes, she found herself punching Persian toddlers and throwing grenades at a mosque.

For all the endless whingeing of free speech extremists, Starmer appreciates that words must be controlled to ensure that his subjects behave themselves. Surely most reasonable people would rather have their liberties restricted than live in a fascist state?

The next step is to see Elon Musk extradited. It was bad enough that he renamed Twitter as “X”, which is just a swastika with a few bits chopped off. But he has also allowed users to say whatever they like. As a result, wrong opinions are being duplicated at an alarming rate.

“Regulators around the world should threaten Musk with arrest if he doesn’t stop disseminating lies and hate on X,” wrote Robert Reich in the Guardian. Although I don’t approve of his surname, he makes a valid case.

Back in 2013, Starmer was quoted as saying that too many Twitter prosecutions could “have a chilling effect for free speech”. These were dangerous words, and although Starmer has since changed his mind, he should probably be calling for his own prosecution.

If you don’t want to be arrested, don’t say the wrong things. It really is that simple.

Titania McGrath


The riots are directly caused by bad words on the internet.

There.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Nov 27th, 2024 at 11:56am
Summoned from the depths ... Fruitbat, the useful idiot.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Gordon on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:24pm
I wonder why MSNBC would go after Musk?

https://youtu.be/WX0FK3jzAvU?si=cef_IWywoOM2Ldjw

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
I wonder why MSNBC would go after Musk?

https://youtu.be/WX0FK3jzAvU?si=cef_IWywoOM2Ldjw




:o

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:16pm:
Musk likes to stir the pot... That's about all he's doing.

He's a stereotypical SAFA, and with a developmental disorder that arrested his psychological growth at age 15.


He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 5:31am:
i am a huge fan of musk

unlike mothra and the soy boy males, he is a guy who really does bounce out of bed with a plan
a guy who really has made the world better
a guy who is on his mission
a man of action

a james cook, ernest shackleton, george washington, alexander the great, type character.

girly men and frustrated feminists with girly men , low T partners, who kind of disgust them and cant arouse their sexuality  . look at men like musk and they have to hate,

its biological

if you are a feminist who has to resort to a vibrator or if you are a white knight who has to supplicate to a woman for a bit of mercy sex, you are living in a "hell on earth"

how could you not be a bitter resentful angry frustrated loser?

and from that position of low vibration energy, all that is left is to spew your toxic hate all over everything you touch

musk is no hater
musk is the very definition of the sacred male
musk is joyful playful and passionate
so so much to admire  :) :)


I know, right? Didn't you say exactly the same thing about Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg? 

If I remember rightly, you praised their mathematical genius in having everybody farmed by their algorithms.

Ever get the feeling!

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 27th, 2024 at 11:58pm
These democrats are males not high status how did that work out?

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
democrat_gaylords_FU.jpg (117 KB | 0 )

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Gordon on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:33am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 11:58pm:
These democrats are males not high status how did that work out?

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D



https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSjqQupLs/

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:55am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:
Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.


Maybe that's why Trump likes him  :-/

Better keep him away from Matt Gaetz.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:
Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.


Maybe that's why Trump likes him  :-/

Although Tony Schwartz, the Art of the Deal ghostwriter, observed that Trump seemed disinterested in his children, it has to be said that all his kids seem united in support of their father—starkly different from some of his second-order relatives—nephews and nieces.

I am intuiting that he has a close and genuine relationship with his son, Barron - who may be on the autistic spectrum (yet to be confirmed).

Maybe Trump, who apparently saw much of himself in Richard Nixon, has a true sense of identity with the outsider.

Maybe that's what is being subconsciously transmitted to his base and those struggling - financially, socially or identity.

It's the only explanation I can see that has enabled his public survival despite scandal after scandal that would have more than sunk and buried 'lesser' public figures.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:28am

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible



Says the guy who, despite all evidence, spent the last 4 years whinging that the last election was stolen.

You just can't make this stuff up.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:32am

mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible



Says the guy who, despite all evidence, spent the last 4 years whinging that the last election was stolen.

You just can't make this stuff up.


What is the logical contradiction, to your 'mind' ,  between 'no change to Dem agenda is possible' and ' no way Basement Biden was elected fair and square'.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:44am
A comparison to Trump could be the collective memories as told by Jews of Oskar Schindler.

When they're asked why he did it - saved them at great risk and expense to himself - pause, as if making a mental mathematical calculation, try to provide a coherent answer, but really don't know.

Schindler was self-interested, self-absorbed, had a voracious appetite for money, was flagrantly unfaithful to his wife to the point of humiliating her by introducing her to his girlfriends, had a criminal mindset, admired crooks, became an early member of the Nazi Party, adopted its ideology, worked for the Nazi Abwehr, revelled in getting away with making money illegally... and on and on...

The one thing all the Schindler Jews do agree on is that he did not harbour any sense of contempt for any ethnicity or underclass - he genuinely had a heart for those who suffered and revelled in being their saviour.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:44am:
A comparison to Trump could be the collective memories as told by Jews of Oskar Schindler.

When they're asked why he did it - saved them at great risk and expense to himself - pause, as if making a mental mathematical calculation, try to provide a coherent answer, but really don't know.

Schindler was self-interested, self-absorbed, had a voracious appetite for money, was flagrantly unfaithful to his wife to the point of humiliating her by introducing her to his girlfriends, had a criminal mindset, admired crooks, became an early member of the Nazi Party, adopted its ideology, worked for the Nazi Abwehr, revelled in getting away with making money illegally... and on and on...

The one thing all the Schindler Jews do agree on is that he did not harbour any sense of contempt for any ethnicity or underclass - he genuinely had a heart for those who suffered and revelled in being their saviour.





Or, more simply, he was a complicated human being, as we all are ... and despite his historical transgressions appearing unfavorably under the microscope, saved a whole bunch of lives when he didn't need to and at great risk to his own.

Who honestly, as an adult, looks for perfect heroes?

Are you trying to cancel Oskar Schindler?

What is the point to your post?


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:04am

mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:44am:
A comparison to Trump could be the collective memories as told by Jews of Oskar Schindler.

When they're asked why he did it - saved them at great risk and expense to himself - pause, as if making a mental mathematical calculation, try to provide a coherent answer, but really don't know.

Schindler was self-interested, self-absorbed, had a voracious appetite for money, was flagrantly unfaithful to his wife to the point of humiliating her by introducing her to his girlfriends, had a criminal mindset, admired crooks, became an early member of the Nazi Party, adopted its ideology, worked for the Nazi Abwehr, revelled in getting away with making money illegally... and on and on...

The one thing all the Schindler Jews do agree on is that he did not harbour any sense of contempt for any ethnicity or underclass - he genuinely had a heart for those who suffered and revelled in being their saviour.





Or, more simply, he was a complicated human being, as we all are ... and despite his historical transgressions appearing unfavorably under the microscope, saved a whole bunch of lives when he didn't need to and at great risk to his own.

Who honestly, as an adult, looks for perfect heroes?

Are you trying to cancel Oskar Schindler?

What is the point to your post?

The point of my post is:

'he was a complicated human being, as we all are ... and despite his historical transgressions appearing unfavorably under the microscope, saved a whole bunch of lives when he didn't need to and at great risk to his own.'

Schindler's personality after the war did not change, although without his faithful Jews keeping him out of bankruptcy and saving him from himself, he failed at everything he ever attempted to recapture his success during the war.

Yet he revelled in seeing 'his' Jews succeed and they loved him back in contrast with the hatred his fellow Germans had for him when his history of saving Jews became common knowledge in Germany during the 60s. Germans regularly abused him in the streets of Frankfurt and spat on him if they could.

In Israel and around the world, Jews treated him like a Messiah.



Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by mothra on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am
So just another regurgitation of facts. No point.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:18am

mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am:
So just another regurgitation of facts. No point.

The point is, that what Schindler and Trump have in common is despite their tendency towards blind self-interest and criminal behaviour, actually have a heart for the underclass or (at least in Trump's case) can project a sense of empathy for the downtrodden, the underclass and the outsider - and that is why Trump won the election - whose voters transcended ethnicity, class, affluence (or the lack thereof) and gender.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:23am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:18am:

mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am:
So just another regurgitation of facts. No point.

The point is, that what Schindler and Trump have in common is despite their tendency towards blind self-interest and criminal behaviour, actually have a heart for the underclass or (at least in Trump's case) can project a sense of empathy for the downtrodden, the underclass and the outsider - and that is why Trump won the election - whose voters transcended ethnicity, class, affluence (or the lack thereof) and gender.


Ah!  So Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and Schindler.




Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.

The border?

Immutable. Your DL tried building a big, beautiful wall. He settled on fixing steel barriers already under repair. Over half a trill in trade both ways goes through its entry points every year. No one's going to interfere with that, the US economy relies on it.

The economy?

Steady. Around 2.5% in GDP growth, better than ours, better than any G7 economy. DL's not going to touch it. He's promised another corporate tax cut. No worries - the last one added $4 tril to the deficit, growing even more, currently at 6.4% of GDP.

It's not so much how the economy will change, but how wealth will be distributed. Your DL's planned tax cuts for high income earners will see those earning over a mil get tax cuts of $60,000 or more. A 3% corporate tax cut will see funds directly added to share prices, raising the value of stockholders' portfolios. With the economy holding firm, nothing can be changed on the economic front, only moved around.

Inflation?

Stable, at 2.4%. Petrol is not $10 a gallon. Bacon is not $20 a rasher. These are lies. The US is still sliding out of post-covid supply chain issues and a shortage of labour, skilled or otherwise. Employment sits at 4%, an historic low. The demand for labour has pushed up wage growth, another cause of inflation. Your DL plans to push inflation up higher by raising tariffs, a minimum 20% on all imported goods. That's a 20% rise to the cost of building, clothing, electronic goods and a host of other items. No foreign company is going to move to the US, start manufacturing and selling goods/services in the next four years, so if your DL sticks to his plan, he'll add a minimum of 10 to 20% to the average inflation rate.

As you can see, nothing can or will be changed, only redistributed - to you-know-who. This was, of course, your DL's plan all along - to stay out of jail and start pumping wealth to his friends, the billionaires.

But do you know? One thing will change.

Trannies?

Around 200 will lose their positions in the US military - the redundancy packages and legal costs defending their litigation and appeals will be added to the US budget. They'll lose their access to the ladies' toilets in the federal Capitol - the only way they'll be able to get in is if they dress up as women and use the stalls. Federal prisoners will have their requests for transgender surgery declined - saving the US budget $400,000 for two sex change operations.

Correction: one. The other federal prisoner who requested surgery was released on parole.

WITCH HUNT !!!

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:59am

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:
NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.

The border?

Immutable. Your DL tried building a big, beautiful wall. He settled on fixing steel barriers already under repair. Over half a trill in trade both ways goes through its entry points every year. No one's going to interfere with that, the US economy relies on it.

The economy?

Steady. Around 2.5% in GDP growth, better than ours, better than any G7 economy. DL's not going to touch it. He's promised another corporate tax cut. No worries - the last one added $4 tril to the deficit, growing even more, currently at 6.4% of GDP.

It's not so much how the economy will change, but how wealth will be distributed. Your DL's planned tax cuts for high income earners will see those earning over a mil get tax cuts of $60,000 or more. A 3% corporate tax cut will see funds directly added to share prices, raising the value of stockholders' portfolios. With the economy holding firm, nothing can be changed on the economic front, only moved around.

Inflation?

Stable, at 2.4%. Petrol is not $10 a gallon. Bacon is not $20 a rasher. These are lies. The US is still sliding out of post-covid supply chain issues and a shortage of labour, skilled or otherwise. Employment sits at 4%, an historic low. The demand for labour has pushed up wage growth, another cause of inflation. Your DL plans to push inflation up higher by raising tariffs, a minimum 20% on all imported goods. That's a 20% rise to the cost of building, clothing, electronic goods and a host of other items. No foreign company is going to move to the US, start manufacturing and selling goods/services in the next four years, so if your DL sticks to his plan, he'll add at least 20%, so suck it up. Suddenly, inflation will become a good thing.

So as you can see, nothing can or will be changed, only redistributed - to you-know-who. But do you know? One thing will change.

Trannies?

Around 200 will lose their positions in the US military. The redundancy packages and legal costs defending their litigation and appeals will be added to the US budget. Trannies will also lose their access to the ladies' toilets in the federal Capitol. Federal prisoners will have their requests for transgender surgery declined, saving the US budget $400,000 for two sex change operations.

Correction: one. The other federal prisoner who requested surgery was released on parole.

WITCH HUNT !!!


And LAWFARE!   You have all the silly nonsense at your fingertips, don't  you.

You are simultaneously outraged that Trump wants to change things, people elect him to change things- then you insist that nothing can possibly be changed and everything will remain the same.  So why the hell are you, groggy slime, Sad, and the rest of you  poons SOOO exercised by Trump if he's not able to make any difference anyway??

You did this with every non-lefty since the '70. Howard and Abbott, Reagan, Bushitler and Trump. All were simpletons, elected by idiots. Then along come the Clintons and Obamas and Bidens ( :D), Kevnis,  Gillards and Albos and the the rising seas were calmed, the clouds parted and the chi-chi gays lay down with the gruesome jihadis.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.



Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:42pm

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.


Sorry, are you disagreeing with something here?

Or do you agree?

That's a question. You appear to be disagreeing with agreeing. That counters itself out, and ipso facto, you concur.

If there's anything you beg to differ on, please say it now. Would you preferred he tried to get Congress on side to allow transexual men to use the ladies' toilets? 

Please explain?

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:54am
“as an adult”

Alas, that applies to so few here.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:05am

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.


Sorry, are you disagreeing with something here?

Or do you agree?

That's a question. You appear to be disagreeing with agreeing. That counters itself out, and ipso facto, you concur.

If there's anything you beg to differ on, please say it now. Would you preferred he tried to get Congress on side to allow transexual men to use the ladies' toilets? 

Please explain?

You are simultaneously outraged that Trump wants to change things, people elect him to change things- then you insist that nothing can possibly be changed and everything will remain the same.  So why the hell are you, groggy slime, Sad, and the rest of you  poons SOOO exercised by Trump if he's not able to make any difference anyway??

You did this with every non-lefty since the '70. Howard and Abbott, Reagan, Bushitler and Trump. All were simpletons, elected by idiots. Then along come the Clintons and Obamas and Bidens ( :D), Kevnis,  Gillards and Albos and the the rising seas were calmed, the clouds parted and the chi-chi gays lay down with the gruesome jihadis.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:24am

mothra wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:04pm:
Elon Musk suggests support for replacing democracy with government of ‘high-status males’


Elon Musk has used his large platform on X to promote a theory that a free-thinking “Republic” could only exist under the decision-making of “high status males” – and women or “low T men” would not be welcome in it.

On Sunday, Musk re-posted a screenshot of the theory – which appears to have been conceived on 4chan in 2021– on the social media site.

The theory, written by an anonymous user, suggests that the only people able to think freely are “high [testostrone] alpha males” and “aneurotypical people”, and that these “high status males” should run a “Republic” that is “only for those who are free to think.”

“People who can’t defend themselves physically (women and low T men) parse information through a consensus filter as a safety mechanism,” the post reads.
“Only high T alpha males and aneurotypical people (hey autists!) are actually free to parse new information with an objective ‘is this true?’ filter,” it adds. “This is why a Republic of high status males is best for decision making. Democratic, but a democracy only for those who are free to think.”


“Aneurotypical” is not a word but one can assume the original poster meant neurodivergent people.

Theories like this, which promote hegemonic masculinity, are often criticized for being sexist, exclusionary, not realistic and “toxic.” They are popular in alt-right communities.

“Interesting observation,” Musk said, in response to the post.

The screenshot of the theory was uploaded to X by an account called “AutismCapital” which often posts memes that appeal to right-wing individuals and support Musk’s endeavors.

It claimed the theory was “also known as the Reich effect” - seemingly a reference to Robert Reich, the former Secretary of Labor, who wrote an op-ed in The Guardian last week claiming that Musk is “out of control” and needs to be stopped.

Much of the account’s Sunday content was targeted at mocking Reich while defending the billionaire.

It is unclear if Musk re-posted the theory because he agreed with it or because it critized Reich. It’s not unlike Musk to dabble in controversial theories and misleading information on his social media platform.

The SpaceX founder often takes the stance that controversial, and sometimes offensive, posts on X are part of “free speech” and should be allowed on the platform – even when it includes false or misleading information.

That is, in part, why X was blocked in Brazil on Friday. Musk refused to comply with a legal order in a long-running battle that ignited after the social media site failed to block accounts accused of spreading fake news.

The Independent has asked X and Musk for further comment on his repost.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/elon-musk-suggests-support-for-replacing-democracy-with-government-of-high-status-males/ar-AA1pSvNK?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=b7c39f84e9044e7fb3cfb255eda4721d&ei=14


Great post.

But a warning from Prof. Steve Keen:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.


So Musk,  leader of the DOGE, doesn't  understand macroeconomics...

Delorable.






Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:28am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:24am:
So Musk,  leader of the DOGE, doesn't  understand macroeconomics...

Deplorable.


And Trump doesn't understand ... anything.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:43am

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.


Karnal, while I appreciate your humourous exposes' of  blinded by ideology  Conservatives, and their inability to  debate in a logical fashion (Frank being a prime example), I suspect your knowledge of macro economic is also...shaky?.....

From prof Steve Keen's latest book:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.


Hope this helps you and Musk - the director of the new DOGE (!), no less...





Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Frank on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:48am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:43am:
Karnal, while I appreciate your humourous exposes' of  blinded by ideology  Conservatives, and their inability to  debate in a logical fashion (Frank being a prime example), I suspect your knowledge of macro economic is also...shaky?.....

From prof Steve Keen's latest book:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.


Hope this helps you and Musk - the director of the new DOGE (!), no less...



Ah... the Venezuelan economic model. Or is it called Zimbabwean?


Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:31pm

Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:05am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.


Sorry, are you disagreeing with something here?

Or do you agree?

That's a question. You appear to be disagreeing with agreeing. That counters itself out, and ipso facto, you concur.

If there's anything you beg to differ on, please say it now. Would you preferred he tried to get Congress on side to allow transexual men to use the ladies' toilets? 

Please explain?

You are simultaneously outraged that Trump wants to change things, people elect him to change things- then you insist that nothing can possibly be changed and everything will remain the same.  So why the hell are you, groggy slime, Sad, and the rest of you  poons SOOO exercised by Trump if he's not able to make any difference anyway??

You did this with every non-lefty since the '70. Howard and Abbott, Reagan, Bushitler and Trump. All were simpletons, elected by idiots. Then along come the Clintons and Obamas and Bidens ( :D), Kevnis,  Gillards and Albos and the the rising seas were calmed, the clouds parted and the chi-chi gays lay down with the gruesome jihadis.


I see. Don't want to say, eh?  You'd prefer to play autobot, would you?

All good, dear boy. We miss the good old days with our grown-up, Mr Abbott. They were simpler times, no?

Back in the days when people had policies to discuss, could cite a statistic and say why.

Not you, old chap. You've always been a smearer and a screamer.

Always absolutely never ever, no?

Just soooo, as every schoolboy knooows.

Title: Re: Elon Musk and 'high-status males' for govt.
Post by Karnal on Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:43am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.


Karnal, while I appreciate your humourous exposes' of  blinded by ideology  Conservatives, and their inability to  debate in a logical fashion (Frank being a prime example), I suspect your knowledge of macro economic is also...shaky?.....

From prof Steve Keen's latest book:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.

Hope this helps you and Musk - the director of the new DOGE (!), no less...


Musk can't do a thing, dear. He pulled a $2 tril cut out of his hat recently, just like that. Impossible.


Quote:
The federal government’s payroll is about $752 billion, a princely sum for sure. However, it is only 12% of the government’s total spending in 2023 — since most government spending is on the entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare. And it takes federal employees to keep those programs running.

Now consider a collection of programs that people like — or can’t do without: Transportation Security Administration’s airport screening, the Federal Aviation Administration’s air traffic control system, Customs and Border Protection, Immigration and Customs, and the Coast Guard. Add the civilian workers at the Department of Defense who keep the nation’s armed forces in the field.

Even if policymakers make the cuts, they wouldn’t pick up that much cash — and they’d cripple programs on which the public depends, whether they live in blue states or red, like East Palestine, where Donald Trump beat Joe Biden by 45% in 2020.


https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-is-it-so-hard-to-cut-federal-spending-three-popular-ideas-that-wont-fix-the-federal-debt/

Fascists never do cuts. Small government is counter to their hyper-controlling autocratic aims. DL wants to spend [i]more. They want more control of you too.

Fascists care deeply what goes on in the stalls of ladies' lavs. They're equally passionate about the contents of trannies' knickers. God created Adam and Eve, you see, not Adam and Steve. If a chap wants to become a lady, he needs to look the part. God was perfectly clear on this.

Getting tarted up in a feather boa with a five day shadow like George Santos isn't going to cut it, dear. Congresswomen refuse to powder their noses next to ridiculous old drag acts like George. The Congressional ladies' rest rooms have a dress code, as one would expect.

LAWFARE !!!!
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