So the second debate just finished. I think the winner is clear as day - Vice President Kamala Harris. She articulated her vision quite well. Yes, she obfuscated on a few questions, not really answering them. Trump, on the other hand, was all about how bad Biden is, how bad Harris is. How much better things were when he was President and how the country is supposedly in such turmoil now that he isn't President. But, and this is important, on the numerous occasions that he was asked to articulate a plan, or what he would do differently, or any of the questions where some detail was requested of him, he simply did not answer the question. Instead, he would go off on an angry rant riddled with blatant, debunked lies. The most bizarre was that they're eating dogs and cats! All that Trump did was regurgitate lies and that's exactly what I predicted he would do when I commented in another post.

Harris may have been short on details on some questions, but overall she did provide more detail in her answers than Trump, whose standard response can basically be summed up as Trump good, Harris bad. Not once did he offer any solutions. He admitted he has no plan to replace the Affordable Care Act (aka Obama Care), despite saying many times at his campaign rallies that he has a plan. He was asked point blank how he would stop the war in Ukraine and went off on a rant about how it never would've started in the first place. He did not answer that question, and to be frank, he didn't answer a single question with any detail other than to rant about how he thinks Biden/Harris are just bad. He also talked over the moderators numerous times - too many times. Harris did a couple of times too, but seemingly to get across a rebuttal to a bizarre statement/accusation Trump had just made.

In short, the winner was glaringly obvious, and it was Harris.

Who won, in your opinion, the second debate?

This is hilarious. It's from CNN...

Donald Trump’s campaign tried to claim victory before the end of the presidential debate Tuesday, with top Trump advisers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles arguing that his performance was “masterful” and that he laid out a “bold vision of America.”

“We saw President Trump lay out his bold vision of America and how he would continue to build upon the successes of his first term by supercharging the economy, securing the border, and stopping crime from ravaging communities across the country,” Wiles and LaCivita said in a news release.

Sorry, but Trump didn't lay out a vision. He didn't lay out anything, other than lies. All he did was to claim America is in bad shape and it's the worst shape America has ever been in, the other guys caused it and regurgitated a slew of debunked lies in a vain attempt to justify his stance. But not once, and he was given many opportunities, did he offer a plan for how he would do this or that better or differently than Harris.

I thought the debate was pretty even

The moderators were remiss in allowing trump to take most of the time. They should have muted his mike.

I think his lie count will be over 200.
If he repeats the same lie 3 times, that is 3 lies

The debate was empty rhetoric...

Nothing more than what has already been gassed out over the last few weeks at rallies.

Neither side will have convinced many independents and undecideds to jump one way or the other...

Harris wiped the floor with him. He was left looking like a petulant child.

Unfortunately, being a petulant child is not a deal breaker for the American people in who they will vote for.

I've lost all but a glimmer of hope that reason will prevail.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:07pm:

I thought the debate was pretty even The moderators were remiss in allowing trump to take most of the time. They should have muted his mike.

The moderators also failed miserably in holding him to answering questions. He didn't say how he would stop the Ukraine war, despite being asked point blank how he would do it after making numerous claims he would stop it within 24 hours of becoming President. He didn't offer any details on his health care plan to replace the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare), even admitting on screen he didn't have a plan yet. I wish the moderators had said, even just once, "Mr Trump you have not answered how you would end the war in Ukraine - all you've done is blame various things on the Biden administration".

They really screwed that up by not holding him to account and also by letting him talk over them, as you said.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:07pm: I thought the debate was pretty even The moderators were remiss in allowing trump to take most of the time. They should have muted his mike. The also failed miserably in holding him to answering questions. He didn't say how he would stop the Ukraine war, despite being asked point blank how he would do it after making numerous claims he would stop it within 24 hours of becoming President. He didn't offer any details on his health care plan to replace the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare), even admitting on screen he didn't have a plan yet. I wish the moderators had said, even just once, "Mr Trump you have not answered how you would end the war in Ukraine - all you've done is blame various things on the Biden administration". They really screwed that up by not holding him to account and also by letting him talk over them, as you said.

He didn't answer a single question.

Not one.

He ranted instead.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

The debate was empty rhetoric... Nothing more than what has already been gassed out over the last few weeks at rallies. Neither side will have convinced many independents and undecideds to jump one way or the other...

Harris did more to answer questions than Trump by a wide margin. She didn't always answer the question fully, sometimes pointing to things she and Biden have done previously. But the same cannot be said for Trump at all - he just did not answer any questions at all and simply went on a rant that was basically "Trump good, Harris bad" without offering any details on his own plans whatsoever. None.

Yanks don't want reasoned debate.

They're addicted to circuses and comedy.

Sad that the rest of the free world has to live with a president elected by 50,000 white-trash in 6 states.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm: The debate was empty rhetoric... Nothing more than what has already been gassed out over the last few weeks at rallies. Neither side will have convinced many independents and undecideds to jump one way or the other... Harris did more to answer questions than Trump by a wide margin. She didn't always answer the question fully, sometimes pointing to things she and Biden have done previously. But the same cannot be said for Trump at all - he just did not answer any questions at all and simply went on a rant that was basically "Trump good, Harris bad" without offering any details on his own plans whatsoever. None.

Harris so convincingly handed trump his arse that the only viewers not swayed towards Harris would be Trump's cult members.

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

Harris wiped the floor with him. He was left looking like a petulant child. Unfortunately, being a petulant child is not a deal breaker for the American people in who they will vote for. I've lost all but a glimmer of hope that reason will prevail.

Harris was the clear winner. It's just a fact. She won convincingly. Sadly though, you're right. Trump supporters will still vote for him no matter what. He could've sent a cardboard cutout of himself instead and they'd still vote for him. That's how much of a hold he has over the MAGA cult, and lets be honest - that's exactly what it is, a cult with Trump as its leader. Nothing he says or does will ever get them to vote against him because his word is Gospel. It's quite sad and pathetic that his supporters don't seek the truth or question his outlandish claims (they're eating dogs and cats, seriously?).

Harris did outperform Trump, but Trump will have gotten what he needed from it.

While he proved that he won't stand up to Putin and won't support Ukraine, he also showed he has no policy platform, outside of him fixing everything once he's President-Elect before he's even sworn in.

While she won, he was able to appeal to his base which will help slow his continued loss of support.

But simply stopping the rats from leaving the sinking ship won't win him the election.

He needs to get back out in the swing states and overcome his fear of photographic proof of small rally crowd, or them leaving before he's finished because his rambling has bored them into not caring anymore.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm: The debate was empty rhetoric... Nothing more than what has already been gassed out over the last few weeks at rallies. Neither side will have convinced many independents and undecideds to jump one way or the other... Harris did more to answer questions than Trump by a wide margin.

So did Hillary Clinton... and... y'know...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm: The debate was empty rhetoric... Nothing more than what has already been gassed out over the last few weeks at rallies. Neither side will have convinced many independents and undecideds to jump one way or the other... Harris did more to answer questions than Trump by a wide margin. So did Hillary Clinton... and... y'know...

Interesting you mention her. She actually received millions more votes than Trump did. She only lost because of the electoral college, otherwise he'd have never been President if it was based on the popular vote.

Trump won - and I didn't even watch it!

Harris is dripping with head-tilty, wide-eyed insincerity.
This was a test of her, not of him. Everyone knows Trump, nobody knows her.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:17pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm: The debate was empty rhetoric... Nothing more than what has already been gassed out over the last few weeks at rallies. Neither side will have convinced many independents and undecideds to jump one way or the other... Harris did more to answer questions than Trump by a wide margin. So did Hillary Clinton... and... y'know... Interesting you mention her. She actually received millions more votes than Trump did. She only lost because of the electoral college, otherwise he'd have never been President if it was based on the popular vote.

Ah yes, the electoral college... the ghost of slavery in the land of the .... 'Free'.

The debate was about appealing to a steaming pile of 50,000 trash voters.

Gotta wonder where Trump came up with the absurdly ridiculous claim that people are eating dogs and cats. Even when the debate moderator corrected him and said the city manager has said there are no credible reports of this happening in his city, Trump persisted with this lie. Does he just make random crap up and put it out there? How does he even come up with something so bizarre???

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

Gotta wonder where Trump came up with the absurdly ridiculous claim that people are eating dogs and cats. Even when the debate moderator corrected him and said the city manager has said there are no credible reports of this happening in his city, Trump persisted with this lie. Does he just make random crap up and put it out there? How does he even come up with something so bizarre???

It's what keeps the trash awake at night...

Where the hell my smell-hound gown?

t'sa bin eaten by them damn illegals.

It appealed to me that Kamala walked over to trump and shook his hand at the beginning.

Shows good manners, ethics, professionalism and a 'play by the rules' mentality.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:22pm: Gotta wonder where Trump came up with the absurdly ridiculous claim that people are eating dogs and cats. Even when the debate moderator corrected him and said the city manager has said there are no credible reports of this happening in his city, Trump persisted with this lie. Does he just make random crap up and put it out there? How does he even come up with something so bizarre??? It's what keeps the trash awake at night... Where the hell my smell-hound gown? t'sa bin eaten by them damn illegals.

Speaking of illegals, she really did land a hard blow on Trump with his favourite topic - the border. She hit the nail on the head when she pointed out that the Biden administration tried to get a Bill through the Congress that would've seen more Border Officers patrolling, more resources but Trump called his Republican congressional sycophants and ordered them to kill the Bill, which they did. It's no secret - he wanted to have this as an issue with which to bash Biden, and now Harris. That's now how a President (or former President) should behave - putting political point scoring ahead of the national interest. Once again, it's all about Trump.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

It appealed to me that Kamala walked over to trump and shook his hand at the beginning. Shows good manners, ethics, professionalism and a 'play by the rules' mentality.

Yep, he had no intention of shaking her hand. He could barely even look at her the entire debate. He just looked furious the whole time - a very angry man. She was quite articulate. I think she could've answered some questions better, more fully and detailed. But she did so more than Trump, who failed to answer ANY questions at all. The debate - on Trumps' part - was just one long rant of regurgitated lies that have debunked many, many times.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:22pm: Gotta wonder where Trump came up with the absurdly ridiculous claim that people are eating dogs and cats. Even when the debate moderator corrected him and said the city manager has said there are no credible reports of this happening in his city, Trump persisted with this lie. Does he just make random crap up and put it out there? How does he even come up with something so bizarre??? It's what keeps the trash awake at night... Where the hell my smell-hound gown? t'sa bin eaten by them damn illegals. Speaking of illegals, she really did land a hard blow on Trump with his favourite topic - the border. She hit the nail on the head when she pointed out that the Biden administration tried to get a Bill through the Congress that would've seen more Border Officers patrolling, more resources but Trump called his Republican congressional sycophants and ordered them to kill the Bill, which they did. It's no secret - he wanted to have this as an issue with which to bash Biden, and now Harris. That's now how a President (or former President) should behave - putting political point scoring ahead of the national interest. Once again, it's all about Trump.

Yep, she got that one right... But the 50,000 trash voters in 6 states are rabid xenophobes, so the vocals about Trump's bitching about illegals hit their nail on the head.

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:10pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:07pm: I thought the debate was pretty even The moderators were remiss in allowing trump to take most of the time. They should have muted his mike. The also failed miserably in holding him to answering questions. He didn't say how he would stop the Ukraine war, despite being asked point blank how he would do it after making numerous claims he would stop it within 24 hours of becoming President. He didn't offer any details on his health care plan to replace the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare), even admitting on screen he didn't have a plan yet. I wish the moderators had said, even just once, "Mr Trump you have not answered how you would end the war in Ukraine - all you've done is blame various things on the Biden administration". They really screwed that up by not holding him to account and also by letting him talk over them, as you said. He didn't answer a single question. Not one. He ranted instead.

and he gave me a headache

I liked that the debate moderators held Trump to task on his lies, fact-checking him, particularly when he made the absurd claim about illegal immigrants eating peoples' dogs and cats...

During the debate, when Trump again introduced the topic, David Muir – one of ABC’s two moderators – quickly fact-checked him. “You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there,” said Muir. “He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.”

Did it slow him (Trump) down? No, he simply repeated the lie. The guy is unbelievable - quite literally.

Of all of his absolute horseshit, what stuck out most for me was his doubling sown on the falsehood of election theft ... and his defense f the insurrection.

i thought Harris handles it brilliantly.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

It appealed to me that Kamala walked over to trump and shook his hand at the beginning. Shows good manners, ethics, professionalism and a 'play by the rules' mentality.

i didnt see it sprint but if i was mentoring her that is exactly what she should do.

she needs to undermine trump by being very very kind to the maga crowd

if she does that, she wins for sure

her base will hate it because they are haters, but if she can show compassion to the young white men from red states, she will annihilate trump

its such an easy and smart move

aquascoot wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:26pm: It appealed to me that Kamala walked over to trump and shook his hand at the beginning. Shows good manners, ethics, professionalism and a 'play by the rules' mentality. i didnt see it sprint but if i was mentoring her that is exactly what she should do. she needs to undermine trump by being very very kind to the maga crowd if she does that, she wins for sure her base will hate it because they are haters, but if she can show compassion to the young white men from red states, she will annihilate trump its such an easy and smart move

Harris did extremely well in her first Presidential debate. She baited him mercilessly and he took the bait every single time and I think if I were on his campaign staff, I'd have been tearing my hair out. His answer on the January 6 insurrection was surreal. Lets not forget he has publicly stated he will, if elected, pardon those people who have been and are being prosecuted for their part in what was honestly an attempted coup. I think that if I were a voter who was undecided, I'd have sided with Harris after this debate.

The straw poll on Lichtman's live show, with over 7000 watchers voting, had Harris as the debate winner at 94% with Trump at 6%.

Any candidate who claims immigrants will eat your pets loses immediately.

Not only does it show how out of touch they are with reality, but also their immigrant voters.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

The straw poll on Lichtman's live show, with over 7000 watchers voting, had Harris as the debate winner at 94% with Trump at 6%.

6% seems a little generous.

Taylor Swift


Quote:

.........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

The straw poll on Lichtman's live show, with over 7000 watchers voting, had Harris as the debate winner at 94% with Trump at 6%.

I thought trump did very well, I thought it was about evens

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Taylor Swift Quote: .........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........

Well that's a hunk of votes.

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:05pm: Taylor Swift Quote: .........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........ Well that's a hunk of votes.

Sure is, as long as she can encourage them to get off their phones and go out and actually vote.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:47pm: The straw poll on Lichtman's live show, with over 7000 watchers voting, had Harris as the debate winner at 94% with Trump at 6%. I thought trump did very well, I thought it was about evens

I'm sorry, but I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic. Trump lost, and he lost HUGE. He came across as an angry man - a VERY angry man. He offered no solutions, only lies and blaming the Democrats for everything - even a thinly veiled reference to his shooting. He did not answer a single question asked of him - not one. He was asked how he'd stop the Ukraine war - no answer. He was asked what his health care plan was and admitted point-blank he doesn't have one despite claiming he does at campaign rallies.

Harris obfuscated on some questions and could've offered more detail on others, but for the most part answered what was asked of her. Trump simply regurgitated his same tired old lies - lies that have been proven to be false over and over again, from his ridiculous claim the election was rigged to claims that Harris is for abortions AFTER the baby is born. Anyone not completely taken in by the MAGA cult with half a brain would've seen through his multitude of lies in that debate.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Taylor Swift Quote: .........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........

Gotta love how she signed off - "Childless Cat Lady" with a picture of her with a cat in her arms!!! A massive up yours to Vance. ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:07pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:05pm: Taylor Swift Quote: .........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........ Well that's a hunk of votes. Sure is, as long as she can encourage them to get off their phones and go out and actually vote.

If Tay-Tay can get even a fraction of her fan base to vote, it's a hunk of votes.

Didn't Trump try to claim here earlier?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:05pm: Taylor Swift Quote: .........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........ Gotta love how she signed off - "Childless Cat Lady" with a picture of her with a cat in her arms!!! A massive up yours to Vance. ;D ;D ;D

LOVE IT!

I wonder if Horseboy thinks the "childless cat lady" slur is as influential as "deplorable".

I suspect his reasoning will be massively elastic.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 1:47pm: The straw poll on Lichtman's live show, with over 7000 watchers voting, had Harris as the debate winner at 94% with Trump at 6%. I thought trump did very well, I thought it was about evens I'm sorry, but I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic. Trump lost, and he lost HUGE. He came across as an angry man - a VERY angry man. He offered no solutions, only lies and blaming the Democrats for everything - even a thinly veiled reference to his shooting. He did not answer a single question asked of him - not one. He was asked how he'd stop the Ukraine war - no answer. He was asked what his health care plan was and admitted point-blank he doesn't have one despite claiming he does at campaign rallies. Harris obfuscated on some questions and could've offered more detail on others, but for the most part answered what was asked of her. Trump simply regurgitated his same tired old lies - lies that have been proven to be false over and over again, from his ridiculous claim the election was rigged to claims that Harris is for abortions AFTER the baby is born. Anyone not completely taken in by the MAGA cult with half a brain would've seen through his multitude of lies in that debate.

I am serious.
I greatly dislike him, but what he did would have appealed 100% to his cultists.
Keep in mind his lies are of no concern to many americans.
for them, the more he talks the better

by the american extrinsic culture, the more and the louder someone talks, the better.

Harris waffled a little but the only real criticism i have of her is that she didn't effectively counter Trump on his screeches about late term abortions. Here she should have clearly recited the facts that such are performed in the main to save maternal life or spare unspeakable suffering to the foetus.

A missed opportunity on a critical issue.

What was scary was how one-sided it ended up being.

Harris baited him repeatedly and he fell for it every time.  And every time he fell for it, he got so furious that he'd start ranting about debunked conspiracy theories.

And if she was able to get under his skin so easily, it's no wonder the world leaders can so easily manipulate Trump.

That should be a warning sign for everyone considering voting for Trump.

He repeatedly lost his cool, he repeatedly had to resort to lies and conspiracies, and we're not even at the point of talking policy yet.

It should be a warning to those who may vote for him, but like Trump, they are as detached from reality as he is.

Harris did a great job, she was prepared and had a lot of ammunition waiting for the right time, like bringing his criminal record, and she executed it perfectly.

Trump talked about blacks eating dawgs, another debunked conspiracy.

I know the likes of Bobby and the other faithful crushing on Trump had decided he won before they even walked out on stage, but it's clear to anyone willing to be objective, Trump just doesn't have what it takes to be the President yet Harris does.

He didn't have to whine and raise her voice, yell at her opponent or the moderators and she came off as intelligent and prepared, not unhinged and crazy like Trump.

I look forward to the next debate, especially if it's on somewhere like Fox News so the excuse of bias that I keep seeing people use as an excuse for Trump's poor performance can't be used.

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Harris waffled a little but the only real criticism i have of her is that she didn't effectively counter Trump on his screeches about late term abortions. Here she should have clearly recited the facts that such are performed in the main to save maternal life or spare unspeakable suffering to the foetus. A missed opportunity on a critical issue.

It was.  She wasn't perfect and she could have done a lot of things better, but nonetheless, her performance clearly outshone Trump.

It's funny that the places I've checked in to see how the Trump supporters are taking the loss, none of them are admitting that he didn't Win and going as far to say he made no mistakes and totally owned her.

They were always going to say that, but he clearly made some mistakes, even if they want to insist he won they should at least be able to acknowledge that, but they can't even do that.

They're so brainwashed they can't admit even the most obvious of mistakes or lies.

They're happy to accuse Harris of lying, but not a single admission that Trump did.

These people are impossible to have a rational discourse with.

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:16pm: mothra wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:07pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:05pm: Taylor Swift Quote: .........   "I'm voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos."     ........ Well that's a hunk of votes. Sure is, as long as she can encourage them to get off their phones and go out and actually vote. If Tay-Tay can get even a fraction of her fan base to vote, it's a hunk of votes. Didn't Trump try to claim here earlier?

She's got 283 million followers.

That's four times as many people who voted for him in 2020.

That's gotta really get under his skin   :)

We can all sleep peacefully tonight as ...    ;D ;D ;D

Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris for president in post signed ‘childless cat lady’

In an Instagram post published minutes after the US presidential debate ended, Swift said ‘the simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth’

Taylor Swift has endorsed Kamala Harris for president, in a post on Instagram published minutes after the US presidential debate, saying the Democratic candidate would be the “warrior” to fight for the rights and causes she believes in.

“As a voter, I make sure to watch and read everything I can,” Swift wrote on Instagram to her 283 million followers late on Tuesday, adding: “I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 presidential election”.

“I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos.”

In her statement, Swift encouraged her fans to register to vote.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:38pm: Harris waffled a little but the only real criticism i have of her is that she didn't effectively counter Trump on his screeches about late term abortions. Here she should have clearly recited the facts that such are performed in the main to save maternal life or spare unspeakable suffering to the foetus. A missed opportunity on a critical issue. It was.  She wasn't perfect and she could have done a lot of things better, but nonetheless, her performance clearly outshone Trump. It's funny that the places I've checked in to see how the Trump supporters are taking the loss, none of them are admitting that he didn't Win and going as far to say he made no mistakes and totally owned her. They were always going to say that, but he clearly made some mistakes, even if they want to insist he won they should at least be able to acknowledge that, but they can't even do that. They're so brainwashed they can't admit even the most obvious of mistakes or lies. They're happy to accuse Harris of lying, but not a single admission that Trump did. These people are impossible to have a rational discourse with.

You got it.

Panther, Bobby, and Frank are prime examples of that.

And yes, Kamala's performance wasn't perfect but overall she did a great job.

She left Trump looking like an idiot to the people who matter the most - the undecided and the independents.

He could have chewed the head off a kitten during the debate and his deranged cult members would still vote for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_gQ9qV9aos

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

She left Trump looking like an idiot

Not sure he needed her help in that department

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_gQ9qV9aos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9bqtlWphXA

On the race issue - the blackness of Harris - she faltered a little, and here's why...

The Yanks have backed their collective arse into a corner over blackness, which historically referred exclusively to African American slaves and their descendants.

Its meaning has inevitably extended in recent years to include any American of African descent - the other 'Darkees' being 'people of colour', except southern Europeans, cos... y'know... they're white!

Harris knows not to go there with her 'blackness' in case she pisses off the ADOS community - American Descendants of Slavery.

Trump, of course, knows this and was baiting her... she tiptoed around the issue...

Her 'blackness' only buys a little political capital... Not a cotton bale full, if you know what I mean!

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:47pm: mothra wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 2:38pm: Harris waffled a little but the only real criticism i have of her is that she didn't effectively counter Trump on his screeches about late term abortions. Here she should have clearly recited the facts that such are performed in the main to save maternal life or spare unspeakable suffering to the foetus. A missed opportunity on a critical issue. It was.  She wasn't perfect and she could have done a lot of things better, but nonetheless, her performance clearly outshone Trump. It's funny that the places I've checked in to see how the Trump supporters are taking the loss, none of them are admitting that he didn't Win and going as far to say he made no mistakes and totally owned her. They were always going to say that, but he clearly made some mistakes, even if they want to insist he won they should at least be able to acknowledge that, but they can't even do that. They're so brainwashed they can't admit even the most obvious of mistakes or lies. They're happy to accuse Harris of lying, but not a single admission that Trump did. These people are impossible to have a rational discourse with. You got it. Panther, Bobby, and Frank are prime examples of that. And yes, Kamala's performance wasn't perfect but overall she did a great job. She left Trump looking like an idiot to the people who matter the most - the undecided and the independents. He could have chewed the head off a kitten during the debate and his deranged cult members would still vote for him.

Never argue with crazy people. Words to live by. Can’t talk sense with MAGA supporters.

The worst thing the Democrats can do now is gloat over Trump's trainwreck debate performance.

He'll be counting on that... It'll stir up his white trash base and drive them to vote.

Kamala told several whoppers.

Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say.

"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.”
The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus.

Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie.

It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded.
Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea.

Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis.

The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked.
One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work.

The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch.

As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years.

The retards with TDS will say Kamala won
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

The retards with TDS will say Kamala won

Aww, please... Of course she won.

Trump's debate style has always been to play the rich dumb c~nt who got to be president... He inspires his base with it.

The pearl-clutchers have never been able to wrap their heads around Trump's tactics - channelling his inner dumb c~nt to make political capital.

Americans are enthusiastic and optimistic in general... They're also collectively the dumbest c~nts in the Anglosphere.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Kamala told several whoppers. Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. "The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is. The two issues are not comparable. COVID is a deadly and highly contagious disease, abortion is not. On this topic, Trump has repeated a bare-faced lie that Democrats want abortions at 9 months or even after birth. This ridiculous claim has absolutely no basis in reality and has been REPEATEDLY debunked as a lie. Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus. Harris was correct. See document in link below from US Congress: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110811/documents/HHRG-116-VC00-20200618-SD003.pdf Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie. Harris was correct - Trump did, in fact, say there were fine people on both sides. The truth is, there wasn't. Not even close. It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that. Trump is wrong. He can claim some credit for lowering insulin costs for seniors, as his administration advanced a voluntary program to do so. But his claim that Biden had “NOTHING to do with it” is patently false. The Inflation Reduction Act, which Biden signed into law, imposed a mandatory Medicare insulin price cap that applied across the program, benefiting a significantly larger number of insulin users — including people not enrolled in Medicare. Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded. Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea. Biden was Vice President, he was not President when this happened. Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis. False. Biden hasn't removed any sanctions, but he has relaxed enforcement of SOME sanctions. The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked. One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work. Is this supposed to be impressive somehow? My red button is bigger than yours! Wow, so impressive - NOT! The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch. Allies of the US were laughing behind Trumps' back. They all know how to work him - flattery. Also, European allies have been working hard to shore up support for Ukraine in the unfortunate event Trump wins in November and very likely withdraws US support for Ukraine. That would be an abject disaster, with Putin very likely to continue west into Poland and other neighbouring countries. As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years. Lets look at the border, as an example. Biden had legislation in Congress to boost the numbers of border patrol agents, among other measures. Trump called his sycophants in the Republican party in Congress and told them to kill the bill so he could use it against Biden in the next election. That's just ONE example. Since we had Trump virtually take over the GOP, politics in Washington DC has become hyper-partisan when it used to be about serving the common good. Now it's about serving Donald Trump if you're a Republican and you want to get re-elected. The retards with TDS will say Kamala won ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D EVERYONE is saying Harris won the debate. In fact, she didn't just win, she won HUGE. It was a disaster for Trump.

mothra wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

I wonder if Horseboy thinks the "childless cat lady" slur is as influential as "deplorable". I suspect his reasoning will be massively elastic.

Not at all, Mother. Aquascoot finds childless cat ladies awfully pretentious, self indulgent and entitled.

Despicable stuff.

We need more deplorables. They make great Capitol tourists, popping in to visit the gift shop, take a dump on the tiles and smear their shit on the portrait of Washington crossing the Delaware.

STOP THE STEAL !!!

Harris never answered the first question.    >:(

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

DAVID MUIR

Quote:

When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS:

Quote:

So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Harris never answered the first question.

Trump didn't answer any questions.

And, he's a rapist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:44pm: Harris never answered the first question. Trump didn't answer any questions. And, he's a rapist.

Harris completely ignored the first question and
went on a pre-rehearsed rant that had nothing to do with the question -
she's a fraud - can't you see that?

Harris never answered the first question.    >:(

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

DAVID MUIR

Quote:

When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS:

Quote:

So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:44pm: Harris never answered the first question. Trump didn't answer any questions. And, he's a rapist. Harris completely ignored the first question and went on a pre-rehearsed rant that had nothing to do with the question - she's a fraud - can't you see that?

Trump didn't answer any questions.

And, he's a rapist.

Trump has been convicted of fraud - didn't you know that?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

Harris never answered the first question.    >:( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542 DAVID MUIR Quote: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: [quote] So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

[/quote]

That’s a fair point. But the truth is Trump never answered ANY questions. He was asked about his plan to stop the Ukraine war within 24hrs. No answer, just a rant full of lies. He was asked about his healthcare plan. No answer, just a rant full of lies.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

That’s a fair point. But the truth is Trump never answered ANY questions. He was asked about his plan to stop the Ukraine war within 24hrs. No answer, just a rant full of lies. He was asked about his healthcare plan. No answer, just a rant full of lies.

They are both guilty of not answering questions.

It seems they both had per-rehearsed rants just to say something -
anything - to make themselves sound good.

The moderators were hopeless.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/166/043/326/original/9342f3bb4561d2dc.png

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 7:17pm:

The moderators were hopeless.

The moderators called out Trump on his lies about babies being executed after they're born and immigrants in Springfield eating cats.

I guess that's why you didn't like them.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

That’s a fair point. But the truth is Trump never answered ANY questions. He was asked about his plan to stop the Ukraine war within 24hrs. No answer, just a rant full of lies. He was asked about his healthcare plan. No answer, just a rant full of lies.

Trump has been saying for the last 8 years that he will release his healthcare plan in 2 weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA&pp=ygUdbW9uZXkgcGl0IHR3byB3ZWVrcyB0d28gd2Vla3M%3D

Even on Fox News they’re saying Harris won the debate…

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

Even on Fox News they’re saying Harris won the debate… https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over

Can you just imagine how much pizza is sliding down the walls at Mar-a-Lago tonight?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Even on Fox News they’re saying Harris won the debate… https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over Can you just imagine how much pizza is sliding down the walls at Mar-a-Lago tonight?

His campaign staff will be in panic mode tonight.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:04pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Even on Fox News they’re saying Harris won the debate… https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over Can you just imagine how much pizza is sliding down the walls at Mar-a-Lago tonight? His campaign staff will be in panic mode tonight.

I'd bet his staff knew exactly how this trainwreck-in-waiting was going to play out.

They'll all be voting early... with their feet!

When personalities like Trunmp's start to unravel, their collapse can be measured in hours and minutes.

They'll be getting out while the getting's good.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:17pm: The moderators were hopeless. The moderators called out Trump on his lies about babies being executed after they're born and immigrants in Springfield eating cats. I guess that's why you didn't like them.

yes, the moderators did do well there

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 7:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:07pm: That’s a fair point. But the truth is Trump never answered ANY questions. He was asked about his plan to stop the Ukraine war within 24hrs. No answer, just a rant full of lies. He was asked about his healthcare plan. No answer, just a rant full of lies. Trump has been saying for the last 8 years that he will release his healthcare plan in 2 weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA&pp=ygUdbW9uZXkgcGl0IHR3byB3ZWVrcyB0d28gd2Vla3M%3D

trump was obviously inventing it there.
Kamala had a much more concrete plan with results so far

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

Harris never answered the first question.    >:( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542 DAVID MUIR Quote: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: [quote] So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

[/quote]

Trump wiped the floor with her.

Those with TDS might disagree

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Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:04pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Even on Fox News they’re saying Harris won the debate… https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over Can you just imagine how much pizza is sliding down the walls at Mar-a-Lago tonight? His campaign staff will be in panic mode tonight.

They sure will.

There'll be a few resignations and dismissals in the next few days.

There's no coming back from a debate performance as bad as that.

The old man is on his last legs.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 8:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:04pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Even on Fox News they’re saying Harris won the debate… https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-harris-face-off-there-clear-winner-dont-believe-election-over Can you just imagine how much pizza is sliding down the walls at Mar-a-Lago tonight? His campaign staff will be in panic mode tonight. I'd bet his staff knew exactly how this trainwreck-in-waiting was going to play out. They'll all be voting early... with their feet! When personalities like Trunmp's start to unravel, their collapse can be measured in hours and minutes. They'll be getting out while the getting's good.

For sure.

They see the writing (and pizza) on the wall.

;D

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:44pm: Harris never answered the first question. Trump didn't answer any questions. And, he's a rapist. Harris completely ignored the first question and went on a pre-rehearsed rant that had nothing to do with the question -

Trump didn't answer any questions.

And, he's a rapist.

Quote:

...........  His line about how the Vice-President “wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison” was pretty memorable, too. What the hell was he talking about? No one knows, which was, of course, exactly Harris’s point.       ..........

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/donald-trump-had-a-really-really-bad-debate

trump was losing it toward the end, becoming much more erratic.
Kamala was improving, she started off a bit shaky and trump was vexing her for a while.
She kept her calm and he lost his.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

........... Harris never answered the first question. ........

totally correct. She erred there

Quote:

............   While Harris sought to uplift and empower, Trump resorted to divisive rhetoric, further alienating a nation in need of healing. The American people witnessed the difference between a steady hand and reckless impulsiveness. The choice could not be clearer; according to Trump himself, he has no plan. She has a plan and represents a new generation of leadership moving us forward.      ..........

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/11/who-won-harris-trump-debate

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:50pm: ........... Harris never answered the first question. ........ totally correct. She erred there

Only a con man will say they can fix the problems they created.


Quote:

CNN: "What did you see that brought you to a conclusion?" UNDECIDED VOTER: "When facts come to facts, my life was better when Trump was in office." https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1833716011889037601

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Kamala told several whoppers.

Trump eclipsed any lies she may have told.

Until you care about Trump's lies, you really need to shut the bugger up about the things you think she lied about.

You can't only care about the lies you think your opponent told when you ignore Trump's champ.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:50pm: ........... Harris never answered the first question. ........ totally correct. She erred there

No, she aced the debate.

trump and the central park 5 lie



Quote:

.......... Yusef Salaam was 15 years old when Donald Trump demanded his execution for a crime he did not commit.       .........

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:38pm:

Quote: ............   While Harris sought to uplift and empower, Trump resorted to divisive rhetoric, further alienating a nation in need of healing. The American people witnessed the difference between a steady hand and reckless impulsiveness. The choice could not be clearer; according to Trump himself, he has no plan. She has a plan and represents a new generation of leadership moving us forward.      .......... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/11/who-won-harris-trump-debate

LaTosha Brown is the co-founder of Black Voters Matter

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Kamala told several whoppers. Trump eclipsed any lies she may have told. Until you care about Trump's lies, you really need to shut the bugger up about the things you think she lied about. You can't only care about the lies you think your opponent told when you ignore Trump's champ.

Kamala told far more lies than Trump and the network who hosted it is owned by her husbands friend who donates to democrats never fact checked her. The democrats never debate on a network they don't consider friendly they will avoid that and claim Trump doesn't want to debate.

Instead of just quoting one line try addressing some of the blatant lies i pointed out.

I recall Leslie Stahl from 60 minutes telling Trump Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation we all know that was bullshit and it was real.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Kamala told several whoppers. Trump eclipsed any lies she may have told. Until you care about Trump's lies, you really need to shut the bugger up about the things you think she lied about. You can't only care about the lies you think your opponent told when you ignore Trump's champ.

Dial down the emotional incontinence, sad Sad.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:50pm: ........... Harris never answered the first question. ........ totally correct. She erred there

There were several questions she didn't answer and it was annoying but I don't think was was a question that Trump answered.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 10:27pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 9:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:50pm: ........... Harris never answered the first question. ........ totally correct. She erred there There were several questions she didn't answer and it was annoying but I don't think was was a question that Trump answered.

Oh, I was hoping you'd chip in, incoherent duck.

Well done. I am sure you know ( :-/) what you meant even if nobody else does.

"The debate summed up"


AS A SUMMATION OF THAT DEBATE......
THIS VIDEO IS RECOMMENDED........


Kamala Harris position on how [if elected] her WH Administration,
would seek to 'prosecute' so many, very important policies......IS STILL A MYSTERY.

Is Kamala Harris still a 'radical', on many very important policies,
the implementation of which will affect the daily lives of so many U.S. citizens ???

Nobody really knows !    .....still,    .....what Kamala Harris intent will be, in implementing so many very important polices !



i.e.........
@ 02.00    ".....Kamala Harris is running AWAY from her record [in office].......her failed leadership [in office]...."
- JD Vance


JD Vance:
ABC moderators did not do their job
07 min
September 11th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/zaDZwDKl0mk/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaDZwDKl0mk



Quote:

Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance reacts to the ABC News Presidential Debate on ‘Hannity.’

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Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Kamala told several whoppers. Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. "The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is. Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus. Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie. It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that. Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded. Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea. Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis. The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked. One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work. The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch. As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years. The retards with TDS will say Kamala won ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

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Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say.

Federal laws override state laws. If they pass fed legislation it goes to the President's desk when he signs it it is law.


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"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

You are trying to prove lies not hypocrisy?


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It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump got a $35 per month agreement with some people via a voluntary programme. Biden legislated it for all Medicare  i.e. millions of people.


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Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine.

Doubt he would have taken his tongue out of Putin's botty long enough to make any such threat. Once again you fantasy here shows no Harris lie ?


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Kamala said Trump praised Xi

They were sending love letters ?


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Jan. 24, Twitter: Trump (about 20 like this) “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

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Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie.

‘very fine people on both sides’

Nothing else here related to Harris telling a lie. Looks like you lost track of what you were doing.

None of these claims are correct.

"The debate summed up"

:)

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Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

Who won, in your opinion, the second debate?

No one. Well, I can already hear the MAGAs complaining this is a case of elder abuse. Which it was.

Yadda wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:12pm:

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racist

American culture is infused with the affliction of 'racism'.

A society where all people are created 'equal'... subdivided into 'blacks', 'whites', 'people of colour', 'Hispanics/Latinos', 'Asians' and Jews.

Yadda wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:10pm:

"The debate summed up" AS A SUMMATION OF THAT DEBATE...... THIS VIDEO IS RECOMMENDED........ Kamala Harris position on how [if elected] her WH Administration, would seek to 'prosecute' so many, very important policies......IS STILL A MYSTERY. Is Kamala Harris still a 'radical', on many very important policies, the implementation of which will affect the daily lives of so many U.S. citizens ??? Nobody really knows !    .....still,    .....what Kamala Harris intent will be, in implementing so many very important polices ! i.e......... @ 02.00    ".....Kamala Harris is running AWAY from her record [in office].......her failed leadership [in office]...." - JD Vance JD Vance: ABC moderators did not do their job 07 min September 11th, 2024 https://old.bitchute.com/video/zaDZwDKl0mk/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaDZwDKl0mk Quote: Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance reacts to the ABC News Presidential Debate on ‘Hannity.’

ABC moderators ABSOLUTELY did their job! They held Trump to account on his innumerable lies. The only reason they didn't call out Harris much is because almost everything she said was the truth. Face it, the orange rapist lost to Harris, and he lost HUGE!  ;D ;D ;D

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Kamala told several whoppers. Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. "The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is. Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus. Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie. It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that. Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded. Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea. Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis. The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked. One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work. The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch. As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years. The retards with TDS will say Kamala won ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. Federal laws override state laws. If they pass fed legislation it goes to the President's desk when he signs it it is law. [quote]"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

You are trying to prove lies not hypocrisy?


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It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump got a $35 per month agreement with some people via a voluntary programme. Biden legislated it for all Medicare  i.e. millions of people.


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Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine.

Doubt he would have taken his tongue out of Putin's botty long enough to make any such threat. Once again you fantasy here shows no Harris lie ?


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Kamala said Trump praised Xi

They were sending love letters ?


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Jan. 24, Twitter: Trump (about 20 like this) “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

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Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie.

‘very fine people on both sides’

Nothing else here related to Harris telling a lie. Looks like you lost track of what you were doing.

None of these claims are correct.
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I already eviscerated the Baron's post piece by piece in another post.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

ABC moderators ABSOLUTELY did their job! They held Trump to account on his innumerable lies. The only reason they didn't call out Harris much is because almost everything she said was the truth.

Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context...

The 'bloodbath' comment for example. In context, it was a reference to Chinese trade being an economic 'bloodbath' if Trump lost the election... NOT a violent uprising resulting in a bloodbath.

Harris and the Democratic Party knew the context but have misrepresented that since Trump said it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:02am:

American culture is infused with the affliction of 'racism'.

Uh-huh...yeah. You know, judging by half of the poo on this site posted by you kangaroo rooters, you may want to look at your own culture, too.

Marla wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:02am: American culture is infused with the affliction of 'racism'. Uh-huh...yeah. You know, judging by half of the poo on this site posted by you kangaroo rooters, you may want to look at your own culture, too.

And we do.

What Australian culture is not afflicted with is the root cause of this persisting obsession with colour categorisation: slavery.

The US political system cannot shake the most enduring legacy of slavery: the Electoral College.

Update your trolling software.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:04am: ABC moderators ABSOLUTELY did their job! They held Trump to account on his innumerable lies. The only reason they didn't call out Harris much is because almost everything she said was the truth. Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context... The 'bloodbath' comment for example. In context, it was a reference to Chinese trade being an economic 'bloodbath' if Trump lost the election... NOT a violent uprising resulting in a bloodbath. Harris and the Democratic Party knew the context but have misrepresented that since Trump said it.

Having said that, Trump failed to capitalise on an easy rebuttal of context. opting instead to obsess over crowd sizes, Viktor Orban's love for him and Haitian dog-eating in Ohio.

Given Trump seems committed to playing the feisty dumb c~nt for his base, Harris needs to be wary of portraying herself as the sneering and condescending snoot... That will only help to fire up the 50,000 white trash in 6 states to get out of their hollers and vote for Trump.

'The Electoral College was due to pressure from slave states wanting to increase their voting power (since they could count slaves as 3/5 of a person when allocating electors)'.  'Early legal acts, like the Naturalization Act of 1790, granted naturalized citizenship to "free white ...of good character", thus excluding slaves, free Black people, Native Americans, indentured servants, and Asians.' 

Then the US had less freedom than Rome where non-Italians could become free Roman citizens and vote.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:10am:

Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context...

Trump wasn't called out hundreds of times he lied either ... they only fact checked the most outlandish claims.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:04am: ABC moderators ABSOLUTELY did their job! They held Trump to account on his innumerable lies. The only reason they didn't call out Harris much is because almost everything she said was the truth. Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context... The 'bloodbath' comment for example. In context, it was a reference to Chinese trade being an economic 'bloodbath' if Trump lost the election... NOT a violent uprising resulting in a bloodbath. Harris and the Democratic Party knew the context but have misrepresented that since Trump said it. Having said that, Trump failed to capitalise on an easy rebuttal of context. opting instead to obsess over crowd sizes, Viktor Orban's love for him and Haitian dog-eating in Ohio. Given Trump seems committed to playing the feisty dumb c~nt for his base, Harris needs to be wary of portraying herself as the sneering and condescending snoot... That will only help to fire up the 50,000 white trash in 6 states to get out of their hollers and vote for Trump.

I'm not sure I'd be wanting to say Viktor Orban is a friend or loves me. Not really the kinda crowd a candidate for President should really be yearning for.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Kamala told several whoppers. Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. "The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is. Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus. Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie. It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that. Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded. Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea. Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis. The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked. One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work. The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch. As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years. The retards with TDS will say Kamala won ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. Federal laws override state laws. If they pass fed legislation it goes to the President's desk when he signs it it is law. [quote]"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

You are trying to prove lies not hypocrisy?


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It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump got a $35 per month agreement with some people via a voluntary programme. Biden legislated it for all Medicare  i.e. millions of people.


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Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine.

Doubt he would have taken his tongue out of Putin's botty long enough to make any such threat. Once again you fantasy here shows no Harris lie ?


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Kamala said Trump praised Xi

They were sending love letters ?


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Jan. 24, Twitter: Trump (about 20 like this) “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

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Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie.

‘very fine people on both sides’

Nothing else here related to Harris telling a lie. Looks like you lost track of what you were doing.

None of these claims are correct.
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That's the thing, it's a lie to say, she lied more than Trump...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:48am:

........... Having said that, Trump failed to capitalise on an easy rebuttal of context. opting instead to obsess over crowd sizes, Viktor Orban's love for him and Haitian dog-eating in Ohio. Given Trump seems committed to playing the feisty dumb c~nt for his base, Harris needs to be wary of portraying herself as the sneering and condescending snoot... That will only help to fire up the 50,000 white trash in 6 states to get out of their hollers and vote for Trump.

yes, I think Harris did very well to appeal to ALL americans.
She did not abuse trump and addressed him quite respectfully.

Leaving aside Trump's advancing his feisty dumb c~nt schtick for his base, which at least a method in the madness can be intuited, his admission that he had no healthcare plan (only 'concepts of a plan') - after 9 years ranting about it, no less... with 4 of those years in power, should be the death knell for independents and undecideds considering Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Leaving aside Trump's advancing his feisty dumb c~nt schtick for his base, which at least a method in the madness can be intuited, his admission that he had no healthcare plan (only 'concepts of a plan') - after 9 years ranting about it, no less... with 4 of those years in power, should be the death knell for independents and undecideds considering Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency.

He also claims he has a plan to end the Ukraine war within 24 hours of becoming President, but instead of detailing it, goes off on another rant full of lies and conspiracy theories. But he doesn't come close to answering the question - not within miles of what was asked by the moderator. This is the common theme in the entire debate for Trump - he doesn't come close to answering a question and the few times he's held to account, it's abundantly clear he has no plan. He has no plan for healthcare, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan for ending the Ukraine war, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan other than seeking to punish those who he feels have wronged him. It's all about him. It's all about Trump. He does not care about ordinary Americans. He is the epitome of selfishness and is only in it to benefit himself.

https://youtu.be/YZgGFv1rb1Q?si=QyoJLLh4pUFcXiTS

Trump is up in the polls after the debate ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSy-p28VcY

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:19am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 11:32pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Kamala told several whoppers. Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. "The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is. Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus. Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie. It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that. Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded. Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea. Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis. The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked. One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work. The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch. As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years. The retards with TDS will say Kamala won ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say. Federal laws override state laws. If they pass fed legislation it goes to the President's desk when he signs it it is law. [quote]"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.” The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is. You are trying to prove lies not hypocrisy? [quote]It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump got a $35 per month agreement with some people via a voluntary programme. Biden legislated it for all Medicare  i.e. millions of people.


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Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine.

Doubt he would have taken his tongue out of Putin's botty long enough to make any such threat. Once again you fantasy here shows no Harris lie ?


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Kamala said Trump praised Xi

They were sending love letters ?


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Jan. 24, Twitter: Trump (about 20 like this) “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

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Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie.

‘very fine people on both sides’

Nothing else here related to Harris telling a lie. Looks like you lost track of what you were doing.

None of these claims are correct.
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That's the thing, it's a lie to say, she lied more than Trump...[/quote]

Now Now Trump only lied when he opened his mouth apart from that he was just fine and dandy - very dandy - insane of course but he can't help that.

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSy-p28VcY

He's quoting Eric Trump. Hardly a reliable source! He's as bad as his father at lying! ;D ;D ;D

The vast majority of news outlets - including the very much pro-Trump Fox News, by the way - have called the debate a big win for Harris. Not a close call, but a big, convincing win for Harris.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Leaving aside Trump's advancing his feisty dumb c~nt schtick for his base, which at least a method in the madness can be intuited, his admission that he had no healthcare plan (only 'concepts of a plan') - after 9 years ranting about it, no less... with 4 of those years in power, should be the death knell for independents and undecideds considering Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency. He also claims he has a plan to end the Ukraine war within 24 hours of becoming President, but instead of detailing it, goes off on another rant full of lies and conspiracy theories. But he doesn't come close to answering the question - not within miles of what was asked by the moderator. This is the common theme in the entire debate for Trump - he doesn't come close to answering a question and the few times he's held to account, it's abundantly clear he has no plan. He has no plan for healthcare, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan for ending the Ukraine war, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan other than seeking to punish those who he feels have wronged him. It's all about him. It's all about Trump. He does not care about ordinary Americans. He is the epitome of selfishness and is only in it to benefit himself. https://youtu.be/YZgGFv1rb1Q?si=QyoJLLh4pUFcXiTS

Trump went through 4 years as President without a plan why would he have one now ? He went into the 2020 election without a plan or policy - why would he have one now. He hasn't articulated the details of one single policy. Remember that from 90% of his 2016 commitments he had no and developed no actual policies. Trump has words he talks about results but he has no policies that he can articulate.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:09am: Trump is up in the polls after the debate ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSy-p28VcY He's quoting Eric Trump. Hardly a reliable source! He's as bad as his father at lying! ;D ;D ;D The vast majority of news outlets - including the very much pro-Trump Fox News, by the way - have called the debate a big win for Harris. Not a close call, but a big, convincing win for Harris.

Let them think he's winning.  They'll get complacent and it will cost them the election.

Actually, wait, that's what happened last time.  They thought he was a shoe in, then he lost, was fired by 81 million Americans, but even Trump fell for his own lies, and thought he'd won so sent his cultists to attack the Capitol.

Perhaps we don't let their misinformation slide, you know, for the sake of the country.

If Trump loses again, which if he continues to unravel after the debate, he will, I'd prefer he doesn't attempt another terrorist attack on the US.

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate

It would make sense for him to do another then.

However, when asked by the Harris team if he wants a second debate, he said 'no'.

He chickened out.

If the rapist does so good in debates, why is he too scared to debate Kamala a second time?

I'm curious.

https://i.ibb.co/9YSkgy8/fire.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/6Z3Mtv2/seuss.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:09am: Trump is up in the polls after the debate It would make sense for him to do another then. However, when asked by the Harris team if he wants a second debate, he said 'no'. He chickened out. If the rapist does so good in debates, why is he too scared to debate Kamala a second time? I'm curious.

What happened to "anywhere, any time"? He's scared of her now, and rightly so.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:42am: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:09am: Trump is up in the polls after the debate It would make sense for him to do another then. However, when asked by the Harris team if he wants a second debate, he said 'no'. He chickened out. If the rapist does so good in debates, why is he too scared to debate Kamala a second time? I'm curious. What happened to "anywhere, any time"? He's scared of her now, and rightly so.

Yep.  poo scared.

Minutes after the debate, the Harris team said 'let's do it again'.

Trump said 'no', and made a hasty retreat out the back door of the building.

What a pathetic coward.

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https://edition.chainityai.com/trump-loses-his-mind-in-am-after-disaster-debate/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFPUHlleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTuf8FI9vGcE3cTOGZb0ezrfugoLqjzT4oR-Y1sBk9eKonieb6WT3ERXUw_aem_BnOTsIQQ4Feks48oXEog9A

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSy-p28VcY

I'm watching it.......

@ 03.35            "Pundits said Harris won the debate....Undecided voters weren't so sure."


Yep.

And we all know who the 'Pundits' are speaking for.

.......the LEFTISTS and the LEFTIST MSM.

On Wednesday’s broadcast of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,” Commission on Presidential Debates Co-Founder and Co-Chair Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr., who also was Chair of the RNC, stated the performance by moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis was “the worst performance that I’ve seen” and that they “clearly were oversized, I think, on the way they treated” 2024 Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump and “bent backwards to help” 2024 Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Kamala Harris.

Fahrenkopf said, “I thought one of the things that really shocked me last night was the way the moderators handled it. We always explain to our moderators, and we’ve done 33 of those, Greta, starting back in 1988, that their job is to be facilitators. They’re not to get involved themselves. It’s different than if you had someone on your show and you asked them a question and they answered it in a different way than they said a month before, you would correct them. But moderators are not supposed to do that. A debate is between the candidates, not a debate between the candidate and the moderators. And these moderators, so far as I was concerned, it was the worst performance that I’ve seen. And I’ve — as I said, I’ve done 33 of these things over the years. I don’t know what their thoughts were, but they clearly were oversized, I think, on the way they treated the former President and the way they treated the present Vice President, I think they bent backwards to help her.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/09/11/commission-on-presidential-debates-co-chair-abc-moderators-bent-backwards-to-help-harris-were-worst-ive-seen/

Harris never answered even the first question.    >:(

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

DAVID MUIR

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When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS:

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So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

Harris never answered even the first question.    >:( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542 DAVID MUIR Quote: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: [quote] So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

[/quote]

And she still beat Trump hahaha

Yadda wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:09am: Trump is up in the polls after the debate ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSy-p28VcY I'm watching it....... @ 03.35            "Pundits said Harris won the debate....Undecided voters weren't so sure." Yep. And we all know who the 'Pundits' are speaking for. .......the LEFTISTS and the LEFTIST MSM.

You know that this is a rightie nutter who just makes it up ?

.

The debate summed up

- Trump lied

- Harris won

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:29pm:

And she still beat Trump hahaha

Obfuscation Rules OK? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

The debate summed up - Trump lied - Harris won

Hope not - if Harris wins we'll all be dead from WW3.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: Harris never answered even the first question.    >:( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542 DAVID MUIR Quote: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: [quote] So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

And she still beat Trump hahaha [/quote]

Boy, did she ever.

https://media.tenor.com/MYYE7s08aFcAAAAM/hydraulic-press-apple.gif

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 1:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:42am: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:09am: Trump is up in the polls after the debate It would make sense for him to do another then. However, when asked by the Harris team if he wants a second debate, he said 'no'. He chickened out. If the rapist does so good in debates, why is he too scared to debate Kamala a second time? I'm curious. What happened to "anywhere, any time"? He's scared of her now, and rightly so. Yep.  poo scared. Minutes after the debate, the Harris team said 'let's do it again'. Trump said 'no', and made a hasty retreat out the back door of the building. What a pathetic coward.

are you referring to people who trash talk strangers on the internet ?

i agree :)

Fact: rapist was beaten by an intelligent woman.

Check.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

Harris never answered even the first question.    >:( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542 DAVID MUIR Quote: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: [quote] So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

[/quote]

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: Harris never answered even the first question.    >:( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542 DAVID MUIR Quote: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: [quote] So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here
[/quote]


Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-father-taught-her-well-how-trump-dismissed-rivals-economic-policies-13814021.html


Who is Kamala Harris’ father?

Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory.

Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university.


Trump said -

'Harris is a Marxist, her professor father taught her well':
How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies

FP Staff • September 11, 2024


During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’
and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist

During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”.

Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist.

“She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist.
Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off.

flip

trump talked for longer, than Kamala. The moderators should have cut his mike on numerous occasions.
I watched it all live.




Quote:

..........  Trump had spoken for approximately 42 minutes and 52 seconds, while Harris spoke for about 37 minutes and 36 seconds.     ............

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/politics/speaking-times-harris-trump-debate-dg/index.html

He was also louder, told more lies, was more negative, less respectful and angrier.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius. It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it
with no regard to what the question was about.
What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius. It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

To be fair, she couldn't really say Americans are better off because they aren't - as are we here in Australia. She also couldn't say Americans are not better off - that's just bad politics. So she answered with a non-answer. But seriously, she did properly answer more questions than Trump, who answered none - literally none. It was just one continuous, lie-filled rant full of conspiracy theories that have been debunked time and time again.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius. It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed. She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it with no regard to what the question was about. What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her.

So you've drawn a line in the sand that not answering a question at the debate was bad, do you also apply this to Trump?

Did you count the times he didn't answer the question he was asked?

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:56pm:

are you referring to people who trash talk strangers on the internet ? i agree :)

hey dumbarse, do you realise that that is exactly what you are doing? :D :D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

What a pathetic coward.

It gets better,

Chicken Run - Trump too scared for a 3rd debate

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:43pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius. It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed. She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it with no regard to what the question was about. What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her. So you've drawn a line in the sand that not answering a question at the debate was bad, do you also apply this to Trump? Did you count the times he didn't answer the question he was asked?

No - I haven't yet.
It was a bit like question time in our parliament -
no one ever answers any questions -
they do the same thing as Kamala Harris.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 6:16am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:43pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius. It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed. She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it with no regard to what the question was about. What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her. So you've drawn a line in the sand that not answering a question at the debate was bad, do you also apply this to Trump? Did you count the times he didn't answer the question he was asked? No - I haven't yet. It was a bit like question time in our parliament - no one ever answers any questions - they do the same thing as Kamala Harris.    ::)

So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"?

Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability?

You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too.

It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"? Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability? You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too. It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world.

Actually I put politicians in the same category as:
used car dealers, real estate agents and lawyers -

all bullshit artists.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 7:43am: So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"? Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability? You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too. It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world. Actually I put politicians in the same category as: used car dealers, real estate agents and lawyers - all bullshit artists.

So it's ok for them to not answer a question in the debate then?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:53pm: [size=12] Harris never answered even the first question. .......... Yes, Bobby is totally correct here Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius. It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed. To be fair, she couldn't really say Americans are better off because they aren't - as are we here in Australia. She also couldn't say Americans are not better off - that's just bad politics. So she answered with a non-answer. But seriously, she did properly answer more questions than Trump, who answered none - literally none. It was just one continuous, lie-filled rant full of conspiracy theories that have been debunked time and time again.

Yes, I agree entirely.
I would have far preferred had she told the truth.

eg," Yes, Americans are financially worse off now than they were 4 years ago. The whole world has experienced an inflation spike. The whole world is worse off now than then. We are recovering well from the covid pandemic, inflation has been slowed effectively, we have put on 600,000 jobs in the past 2 years.'

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 7:53am: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 7:43am: So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"? Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability? You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too. It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world. Actually I put politicians in the same category as: used car dealers, real estate agents and lawyers - all bullshit artists. So it's ok for them to not answer a question in the debate then?

Look - we know that Trump stretches the truth a little at times but this was
a chance for Harris to prove she was better - but she failed.
She's just another in an endless line of political lying hacks -
people deserve better.

In his closing....Trump called out Harris;

"....WHY...HASN'T...SHE DONE IT ???....."



@ 00.20      "She's going to do this, she's going to do that."....
...."WHY...HASN'T...SHE DONE IT ??? "....
....."She has been there for 3 1/2 years, they have had 3 1/2 years, to fix the border.....??? "




'STAGGERING':
ABC's video of Trump's closing statement goes viral

05 min
September 12th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/eosdMoeMHvY/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eosdMoeMHvY



Quote:

.......the impact of former President Trump's closing statement, which drew 17.6 million views on TikTok

.


Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162

Quote:

THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

bump

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:09am: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement. The intervention came as too little, too late. Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate. The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure. While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown. The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:23am: Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:09am: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement. The intervention came as too little, too late. Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate. The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure. While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown. The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance. Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

That had to be a deliberate tactic to highlight how "Kackela" smiles and is positive, to make it look like weakness and him being strong.

It's just another of their tactics that backfired.

IN THE VIDEO BELOW.........


1/ LEFTIST pundits were salivating, ....wanting to see Trump get 'a public mauling', by Kamala Harris, in the debate.
........AND THEY DID.   ......[in their opinion.      ego.  ]

2/ American voters [i.e. 'common old' debate watchers]....wanted to see Kamala Harris explain why the southern border has been WIDE OPEN for 3 1/2 years,
and explain what Kamala Harris would   >> do <<   to close the southern border.
........AND THEY DID......NOT.


Included in the video....are a few 'street' interviews, with American voters, post debate.



Kayleigh McEnany:
Undecided voters didn't see what the media saw

09 min
September 12th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/qkTHyN4IM38/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTHyN4IM38



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The 'Outnumbered' panel discussed how undecided voters are responding to the ABC News Presidential Debate as they weigh a Trump vs. Harris presidency.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:51am: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:23am: Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:09am: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement. The intervention came as too little, too late. Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate. The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure. While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown. The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance. Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate. One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

So she acted like a bitchy wife, not as a respectable head of state.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:51am: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:23am: Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:09am: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement. The intervention came as too little, too late. Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate. The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure. While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown. The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance. Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate. One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

That is exactly what I saw.
kamala started off badly by not answering the first question.
trump became unravelled as the debate went on.
he raved, rambled and was adversely affected by his emotional immaturity.
Kamala held it together early on when she started off  poorly then finished very well .
I did like her finishing statement.

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:51am: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:23am: Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:09am: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement. The intervention came as too little, too late. Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate. The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure. While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown. The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance. Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate. One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him". So she acted like a bitchy wife, not as a respectable head of state.

No, she knew how to push his buttons and bring him undone. He really was his own worst enemy in that debate. One prime example is when she raised crowd sizes. You could almost hear him scowling at the mention of that subject and he fell for it hook, line and sinker by going on a rant about how he has the biggest rallies in history ever and how no one turns up to her rallies and so on and so forth. He looked and sounded like a lunatic who escaped from the mental asylum while she looked Presidential simply by standing there and smiling while watching him get more and more unhinged, culminating in his bizarre statement about illegals eating peoples' dogs and cats! That was absolute gold. No wonder shares in Truth Social tanked after the debate and campaign finance donors deserted him. She knew what buttons to push and how to push them - Trump did the rest of the work himself!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:13am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:51am: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:23am: Yadda wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:09am: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162 Quote: THE DEBATE...... IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them.... BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement. The intervention came as too little, too late. Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate. The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure. While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown. The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance. Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate. One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him". So she acted like a bitchy wife, not as a respectable head of state. No, she knew how to push his buttons and bring him undone.

That explains why he thought she was being a bitchy wife.  She spoke the truth that Trump couldn't handle.  Probably a little too close to home for Frank.


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He really was his own worst enemy in that debate. One prime example is when she raised crowd sizes. You could almost hear him scowling at the mention of that subject and he fell for it hook, line and sinker by going on a rant about how he has the biggest rallies in history ever and how no one turns up to her rallies and so on and so forth. He looked and sounded like a lunatic who escaped from the mental asylum while she looked Presidential simply by standing there and smiling while watching him get more and more unhinged, culminating in his bizarre statement about illegals eating peoples' dogs and cats! That was absolute gold. No wonder shares in Truth Social tanked after the debate and campaign finance donors deserted him. She knew what buttons to push and how to push them - Trump did the rest of the work himself!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah.  He's so easily manipulated.  It's sad.

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

[size=14] In his closing....Trump called out Harris; ..................   ...."WHY...HASN'T...SHE DONE IT ??? ".... ....."She has been there for 3 1/2 years, they have had 3 1/2 years, to fix the border.....??? "

Kamala did address this.
Trump stopped a bill that would have hired 1500 more immigration agents.

Also the immigrants were driven out of their homelands  by push factors, not drawn to US by pull factors.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

.............  No, she knew how to push his buttons and bring him undone. He really was his own worst enemy in that debate. One prime example is when she raised crowd sizes. You could almost hear him scowling at the mention of that subject and he fell for it hook, line and sinker by going on a rant about how he has the biggest rallies in history ever and how no one turns up to her rallies and so on and so forth. He looked and sounded like a lunatic who escaped from the mental asylum while she looked Presidential simply by standing there and smiling while watching him get more and more unhinged, culminating in his bizarre statement about illegals eating peoples' dogs and cats! That was absolute gold. No wonder shares in Truth Social tanked after the debate and campaign finance donors deserted him. She knew what buttons to push and how to push them - Trump did the rest of the work himself!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

yes

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:10am:

Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context... The 'bloodbath' comment for example. In context, it was a reference to Chinese trade being an economic 'bloodbath' if Trump lost the election... NOT a violent uprising resulting in a bloodbath. Harris and the Democratic Party knew the context but have misrepresented that since Trump said it.

So Trump comments on his 'bloodbath' comment in Tucson...

"The 'bloodbath' hoax which has been totally debunked, which had to do with the automobile industry..."

In the Biden-Trump debate, Biden also referred to the 'bloodbath' comment.

The Democrats need to end the tactic of capitalising on misquoting - that is a Trump tactic.

Russian reaction to the Trump - Harris debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adve8jHtxPM

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:

Yeah.  He's so easily manipulated.  It's sad.

Swing voters fear 'incompetent' Trump may be a 'vessel' for extremists: opinion editor


https://www.rawstory.com/trump-swing-voters/

The poll results in this thread are actually very similar to the polls taken after the debate.

Who won?

Harris - (64.7%)
Trump - (35.3%)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

The poll results in this thread are actually very similar to the polls taken after the debate. Who won? Harris - (64.7%) Trump - (35.3%)

The only people who say Trump won the debate are those who are in his MAGA cult and suffer from delusions. Every genuine, serious poll shows Harris won that debate and that she won it convincingly.

As with the assassination attempt on Trump, so with the Harris-Trump debate: it will be forgotten within a week and have little to no effect on the election outcome.

As Lichtman predicts, it will be an election victory for Harris whether or not she won this debate, (and whether or not there will be another debate), even if Trump won, or was perceived to have won, both.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

As with the assassination attempt on Trump, so with the Harris-Trump debate: it will be forgotten within a week and have little to no effect on the election outcome. As Lichtman predicts, it will be an election victory for Harris whether or not she won this debate, (and whether or not there will be another debate), even if Trump won, or was perceived to have won, both.

It will only be forgotten if Trump drops the racist cats and dogs claim.

If he keeps it going, it will keep the loss of the debate fresh in everyone minds.

Given he has nothing else in his campaign, certainly no policy, maybe a concept of a plan on healthcare, I don't see him dropping it as a talking point.

His base certainly won't.  The racists in his base are loving it and the feedback loop on Truth Social will mean he will think it's a winning move.

tallowood wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

Russian reaction to the Trump - Harris debate

Don't mention the war or Putin's name. Russian missiles on Kyiv apartments are anonymous gifts of the Russian Orthodox Tsar, Mr ***** the Great.

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

tallowood wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 11:07am: Russian reaction to the Trump - Harris debate Don't mention the war or Putin's name. Russian missiles on Kyiv apartments are anonymous gifts of the Russian Orthodox Tsar, Mr ***** the Great.

And don't you dare say you want Ukraine to win.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 12:59pm: As with the assassination attempt on Trump, so with the Harris-Trump debate: it will be forgotten within a week and have little to no effect on the election outcome. As Lichtman predicts, it will be an election victory for Harris whether or not she won this debate, (and whether or not there will be another debate), even if Trump won, or was perceived to have won, both. It will only be forgotten if Trump drops the racist cats and dogs claim. If he keeps it going, it will keep the loss of the debate fresh in everyone minds. Given he has nothing else in his campaign, certainly no policy, maybe a concept of a plan on healthcare, I don't see him dropping it as a talking point. His base certainly won't.  The racists in his base are loving it and the feedback loop on Truth Social will mean he will think it's a winning move.

He'll drop the Haitian dog-eating in Ohio... And the duck- and goose-eating.

He's an American - he knows his people - there'll be another 'wild goose chase' immigrant story that his trash base will buy soon enough.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 1:49pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 1:10pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 12:59pm: As with the assassination attempt on Trump, so with the Harris-Trump debate: it will be forgotten within a week and have little to no effect on the election outcome. As Lichtman predicts, it will be an election victory for Harris whether or not she won this debate, (and whether or not there will be another debate), even if Trump won, or was perceived to have won, both. It will only be forgotten if Trump drops the racist cats and dogs claim. If he keeps it going, it will keep the loss of the debate fresh in everyone minds. Given he has nothing else in his campaign, certainly no policy, maybe a concept of a plan on healthcare, I don't see him dropping it as a talking point. His base certainly won't.  The racists in his base are loving it and the feedback loop on Truth Social will mean he will think it's a winning move. He'll drop the Haitian dog-eating in Ohio... And the duck- and goose-eating. He's an American - he knows his people - there'll be another 'wild goose chase' immigrant story that his trash base will buy soon enough.

I'm not so sure he'll drop it.

He's been challenged on it too many time, asking for proof, having reporters who don't normally push back doing just that on this topic and he keeps doubling down.

The only way he'll drop it is if he can do so without having to accept he was wrong or it was an unfounded claim.

But I'm sure his minders will find a way if it keeps heading towards being too toxic.

Will he do what he's told however?

At least there won't be a second debate where Harris can so easily bait him into ruining his minders plans.

In the final analysis, it can be argued that neither side won the debate.

Trump did Trump - the same rambling schtick he's schlepped up to Americans and the world for over 9 years - a Yankist, neo-P T Barnum freak show.

Harris, post-debate, is still largely unknown to many Americans - her delivery being very light on her economic plans.

Yanks, and the world, are being entertained by a political reality show... and that's about it.

In the context of a conventional debate, Harris was the clear victor. She adeptly got under Trump's skin, manipulating him into shedding his carefully curated facade of calmness, control, and statesmanship. This manoeuvre reduced him to his familiar "rally Trump" persona, characterised by erratic tirades and unsubstantiated claims.

However, debating Trump does not fit the mould of a "normal debate." Harris demonstrated her ability to confront the "strongman" image of Trump, indicating she is well-equipped for the global stage.

Yet, Trump achieved his own objective: galvanising his base and perpetuating the belief that he dominated Harris, a conviction they held even before the debate commenced.

When both participants accomplish their respective goals, declaring a definitive winner becomes complex. In a traditional sense, Harris triumphed over Trump. However, in the eyes of his supporters, Trump emerged victorious.

Which of these perspectives holds the most significance? That remains uncertain until the election's outcome is known.

Perhaps an alternative metric is required. Instead of focusing on what Trump's base anticipated or the conventional criteria of debate success, we might consider the willingness of each to engage in a subsequent debate.

In that light, Trump's apparent retreat suggests he was indeed outmatched and is now unwilling to risk a repeat performance, fearing the potential repercussions.

From this vantage point, one could reasonably argue that Harris was the true victor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z5jhpISQCc

Does anyone else in Australia cram research for the United States elections like I do, in October?

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 4:14pm:

In the context of a conventional debate, Harris was the clear victor. She adeptly got under Trump's skin, manipulating him into shedding his carefully curated facade of calmness, control, and statesmanship. This manoeuvre reduced him to his familiar "rally Trump" persona, characterised by erratic tirades and unsubstantiated claims.

The debate had more in common with a reimagined 70s-style sitcom about a husband and wife both running for mayor in a small New England town.

He, the tetchy old working-class man's man curmudgeon - a neo-Archie Bunker; she, the neo-Mary Tyler Moore, college-educated and ambitious 'person of colour'.

Together, like 'All in the Family' before it, they dramatise a debate about current events and the contemporary cultural milieu using comedy - with his outrageous points-of-view being a foil for her to eye-roll and respond with 'feminine sanity' and earnest focus, delivered with all the grace of a polished comedienne actress.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2024 at 12:59pm: As with the assassination attempt on Trump, so with the Harris-Trump debate: it will be forgotten within a week and have little to no effect on the election outcome. As Lichtman predicts, it will be an election victory for Harris whether or not she won this debate, (and whether or not there will be another debate), even if Trump won, or was perceived to have won, both. It will only be forgotten if Trump drops the racist cats and dogs claim. If he keeps it going, it will keep the loss of the debate fresh in everyone minds. Given he has nothing else in his campaign, certainly no policy, maybe a concept of a plan on healthcare, I don't see him dropping it as a talking point. His base certainly won't.  The racists in his base are loving it and the feedback loop on Truth Social will mean he will think it's a winning move.

That's right, Sad. All Mr Trump has to do is say, look, I just said that thing about refugees coming over, sneaking into people's backyards and stealing their pets to eat. I didn't really mean it, it was a dumb thing to say, I'm sorry.

All Mr Trump has to do is say that. We'll forgive, forget and move on. Problem solved.

There's just one thing, dear. What kind of whack job would say it in the first place?

DEEP STATE !!!

Your arguments are just a bunch of noise.


https://i.postimg.cc/sgjVDsNg/iknowthedifference.jpg

The debate summed up:

- Rapist = nil

- Prosecutor = 1