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........   False: Trump claims "millions and millions of people" are "pouring into our country monthly" ........... ..............  Partially true, needs context: Harris claims Trump would enact $4,000 "sales tax" ............ ................. Mostly true: Harris claims 16 Nobel laureate economists said Trump's economic plan "would increase inflation" and "invite a recession" by mid-2025 ........... ..............  False:  Trump claims "they had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country" .......... ........... False: Trump claims Haitian immigrants are "eating the dogs" and pets in Springfield, Ohio ............ .......... Inconclusive: Harris claims Trump "will sign a national abortion ban" ........ ...............  False: Trump claims Walz says "execution after birth" of babies "is okay."  ........... ...............Misleading: Trump claims Harris would end fracking in Pennsylvania "on Day One" .......... ...............  False: Trump claims Harris is busing in and paying people to attend her rallies  .............. .............  Misleading: Trump claims he has "nothing to do with Project 2025" ................. ............ Misleading: Harris claims "we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president."  -  ........... ............  True: Trump "got more votes than any sitting president." But challenger Joe Biden won more. ( I think they did a typo here, Biden got more)  ..........  Mr. Biden received 81,283,501 votes, the most ever cast for a U.S. presidential candidate — and over 7 million more than Trump.      .......... ...............  False: Trump claims "crime in this country is through the roof"  ..........        .........

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/?intcid=CNR-02-0623

Kamala had 1 mostly true, 1 partially true, 1 misleading

trump had 7 false, 2 misleading

Karmala did okay, but she should have slammed him on crime numbers, down nearly 20% since Biden came to power.

And why not go for the jugglar on his jail, mental asylum schtick? So easy to disprove: no one has evidence of countries sneaking prisoners and mental patients into America. That's his central theme - she should have rebutted it entirely.

Next debate, she should stop speaking to the audience a la Hillary and go for Trump. She came close, but she needs to stick the blade fully in. We want to see her wipe that chump look off his face, that dumb-arse shrug he does when he's caught out. Trump's had massive crimes like the documents case dismissed. This could be the only chance to hold him to account, and he comes up with krap like Sleepy Joe did worse.

Sleepy Joe, a congressman, gave his office records to the University of Delaware, a facility Trump calls "Chinatown". They weren't classified, they were his records to give. Playing whataboutism with 12,000 top secret government records under federal subpoena, stored in boxes on a ballroom stage, in a club where two Chinese spies have already been arrested and deported, needs to be publicly condemned, as his own Attorney General says.

No other candidate has had such material to work with in a presidential debate, and Karmala's a prosecutor. Sure, some swing voters might want to see her go all gushy, but we want to see some blood.

WITCH HUNT !!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 3:16pm:

Quote: ............ Misleading: Harris claims "we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president."  -  ........... https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/?intcid=CNR-02-0623

Yeah, that one annoyed me.  At first I thought it was a cheeky, yet misleading, round up from 739,000 to 800,000.

But after reading that, I didn't know there was a revision of the data which puts the true number closer to 624,000.

It's still a lot of jobs, but it's too much to call that 800k.

So it is indeed misleading.

I wonder how the usual suspects will want to twist this into their favour though.

Karnal wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

Next debate

Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 3:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.

ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg

Of course it's rigged...

Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say?

God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.

It might help if you watch the video.   ::)

what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to

"fact check a debate"  :D :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:

what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to "fact check a debate"  :D :D :D

You've lost touch scoot.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.

Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  :D


25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump
https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-against-trump/

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.

;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 3:19pm:

Kamala had 1 mostly true, 1 partially true, 1 misleading trump had 7 false, 2 misleading, 0 answers to questions from moderators

Harris never answered even the first question.    >:(

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

DAVID MUIR

Quote:

When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS:

Quote:

So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

Karnal wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

Karmala did okay, but she should have slammed him on crime numbers, down nearly 20% since Biden came to power. And why not go for the jugglar on his jail, mental asylum schtick? So easy to disprove: no one has evidence of countries sneaking prisoners and mental patients into America. That's his central theme - she should have rebutted it entirely. Next debate, she should stop speaking to the audience a la Hillary and go for Trump. She came close, but she needs to stick the blade fully in. We want to see her wipe that chump look off his face, that dumb-arse shrug he does when he's caught out. Trump's had massive crimes like the documents case dismissed. This could be the only chance to hold him to account, and he comes up with krap like Sleepy Joe did worse. Sleepy Joe, a congressman, gave his office records to the University of Delaware, a facility Trump calls "Chinatown". They weren't classified, they were his records to give. Playing whataboutism with 12,000 top secret government records under federal subpoena, stored in boxes on a ballroom stage, in a club where two Chinese spies have already been arrested and deported, needs to be publicly condemned, as his own Attorney General says. No other candidate has had such material to work with in a presidential debate, and Karmala's a prosecutor. Sure, some swing voters might want to see her go all gushy, but we want to see some blood. WITCH HUNT !!!

Quote:

Karmala did okay

I think she done a bit better than ok I would go for reasonably good. However the big differential was that Trump was horrible.


Quote:

WITCH HUNT !!!

Yes I have to agree that with all the evidence accumulating it does look very much like he is in fact a witch.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:

what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to "fact check a debate"  :D :D :D

You. The Superior Man worships his fridge. Science, technology, superior Western reason and know-how. The SM weeps tears of pure gratitude for the fact-checkers. Who?

You.

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:53pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time. Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  :D 25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-against-trump/

You didn't post any fact checks, dear boy, but guess who:

The Federalist, brought to you by the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025.


Quote:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published many pieces that contained false information, pseudoscience, and contradictions or misrepresentations of the recommendations of public health authorities.[5][6][7] While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[8][9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)

https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-father-taught-her-well-how-trump-dismissed-rivals-economic-policies-13814021.html


Who is Kamala Harris’ father?

Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory.

Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university.


Trump said -

'Harris is a Marxist, her professor father taught her well':
How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies

FP Staff • September 11, 2024


During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’
and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist

During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”.

Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist.

“She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist.
Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off.

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:53pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time. Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  :D 25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-against-trump/

You are a disrespectful little bitch aren't you.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:08pm: what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to "fact check a debate"  :D :D :D You've lost touch scoot.

incorrect, you have lost touch

the average derper would be as likely to want to "fact check a debate' as he would to read the 20 pages of terms and conditions , when he signs up for an instagram ID.

people are as busy as f, zero attention span.
they will just go with the vibe

vibe before fact
meme before message

every truth is but a half truth

Karnal wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:08pm: what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to "fact check a debate"  :D :D :D You. The Superior Man worships his fridge. Science, technology, superior Western reason and know-how. The SM weeps tears of pure gratitude for the fact-checkers. Who? You.

what the hell is a fact?

people just believe what is most convenient for them and then rationalise it on the back end

every truth is but a half truth

Karnal wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:21pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:53pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time. Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  :D 25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-against-trump/ You didn't post any fact checks, dear boy, but guess who: The Federalist, brought to you by the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. Quote: During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published many pieces that contained false information, pseudoscience, and contradictions or misrepresentations of the recommendations of public health authorities.[5][6][7] While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[8][9] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)

Ve musst belif vat ze Daily Beast and Reuters say! Oh, ja?
Not our lying eyez! Oh, nein!

Fact: a rapist and convicted felon lost the debate.

Check.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

Fact: a rapist and convicted felon lost the debate. Check.

Ve musst belif vat ze clapped out slovenian in perth says! Oh, ja?
Not our lying eyez! Oh, nein!

Because clapped out Slovenians in Perth KNOW all about American politics. Or at least all that they can read and hear in lefty media, anyway.
Clapped out Slovenians repeating things like parrots must count for the truth, no?
Oh yes. If you are from Perth or Pakistan at any rate.

Fact: the rapist in the debate lied every time he opened his mouth.

Check.

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:36pm: Fact: a rapist and convicted felon lost the debate. Check. Ve musst belif vat ze clapped out slovenian in perth says! Oh, ja? Not our lying eyez! Oh, nein! Because clapped it Slovenians in Perth KNOW all about American politics. Or at least all that they can read and hear in lefty media, anyway.

Don't let Greggy side track you -

he supports a well known communist - Harris.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:29pm:

every truth is but a half truth

Including every truth being half true.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Fact: the rapist in the debate lied every time he opened his mouth. Check.

Clapped out Slovenians repeating things like parrots must count for the truth, no?
Oh yes. If you are from Perth or Pakistan at any rate.

Fact: convicted felon makes fool of himself in front of millions of people.

Check.

21 False Claims & Hoaxes by Kamala Harris that ABC’s Debate Moderators Did Not Fact Check

Vice President Kamala Harris issued a slew of false claims and hoaxes that ABC debate moderators did not fact check during Tuesday’s debate against former President Donald Trump.

Here are 21 false claims and hoaxes that Harris uttered on live television, in front of millions of Americans:

1. “Very fine people” hoax

Harris claimed Trump called neo-Nazis in Charlottesville “very fine people,” a widely known hoax that Democrats continue to repeat, despite it being debunked for years by numerous outlets, including by the left-wing fact checking website Snopes.

2. Project 2025 hoax

Harris accused Trump of wanting to implement Project 2025. This is false. Trump has repeatedly stated that he has nothing to do with it and hasn’t even read it.

Trump promptly corrected Harris on the debate stage, saying, “I have nothing to do — as you know, and as she knows, better than anyone — I have nothing to do with Project 2025. I haven’t read it, I don’t want to read it, purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

“I have nothing to do [with it],” Trump added. “Everybody knows I’m an open book. Everybody knows what I’m going to do: cut taxes very substantially, and create a great economy like I did before.”

3. False claims on Trump trade deficit

Harris claimed “the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit” that was “one of the highest we’ve ever seen in the history of America.” This is patently false.

The trade deficit climbed to around $653 billion in Trump’s final year as president, in part because of depressed global demand for U.S. goods and services and a U.S. economy that recovered sooner than most other developed economies.

But the trade deficit never rose to the levels seen under former President George W. Bush or the Biden-Harris administration.

4. Putin can “do whatever the hell he wants”

Harris claimed that Trump told Russian President Vladimir Putin that he could “do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.” This is false. Trump never told Putin he could do “whatever the hell he wants,” and he never told Putin he could invade Ukraine.

To add insult to injury, this false claim is also coupled with stark gaslighting, given that Putin appears to be doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration — such as invading Ukraine — and not during the Trump administration.

5. “Dictator on day one” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “wants to be a dictator on day one.” This is false. Trump has never said this.

Oddly, Harris attempted to justify her false claim by making another false claim (the aforementioned erroneous claim coupled with gaslighting), which was that the 45th president told Putin he could “do whatever the hell he wants.”

Remarkably, Harris failed to mention that Putin has actually been doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration.

6. Blaming botched Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump

In another example of never before seen levels of gaslighting, Harris blamed her and Biden’s disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump.

After being asked point blank, “Do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?” Harris segued to talking about Trump’s communications with the Taliban, suggesting that the Biden-Harris administration is not responsible for its own botched Afghanistan withdrawal.

This is not the first time Harris falsely claimed Trump is responsible for her and Biden’s botched Afghanistan withdrawal. Last week, her campaign tried to blame it on Trump — even though it happened seven months after he left office — claiming he didn’t give the Biden-Harris administration any “plans” on what to do.

7. Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv”

Harris claimed Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe” if Trump were president. This is false.

Russia under Putin invaded neighbors during the George Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden administrations, but never during the Trump administration.

8. “Bloodbath” hoax

Harris also repeated the “bloodbath” hoax, falsely claiming that Trump called for a “bloodbath” if he lost the election.

This is a long-debunked hoax, as Trump was referring to the car industry.

9. Abortion “monitor” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump wanted an abortion “monitor.” This is false. Trump has never said anything like that.

This is not the first time Harris has used this false statement. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when she made it at the Democratic National Convention. Notably, Harris has never provided the basis for her claim, which is calculated to scare voters, but is simply fictitious.

While making this claim, Harris also uttered another false claim that Trump seeks to implement a “national abortion ban.” Trump has repeatedly stated that he would not sign a federal abortion ban. Additionally, abortion is not a federal issue. It is a state issue.

10. Rental property hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “refused to rent property to black families.” This is false.

The claim has been made for years, but it has never been proven. In 2016, the Associated Press did a fact checked on the claim, reporting that Trump and his father settled a government lawsuit about it with no admission of fault.

11. Central Park Five “execution” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five. This is false.

Trump never specifically called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five defendants. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when Democrats made it at their convention last month.

12. “Suckers and losers” hoax

Harris alluded to the “suckers and losers” hoax by claiming that Trump had disparaged the military, including the fallen. This is false.

The false claim that Trump called dead soldiers “suckers and losers” is a familiar hoax that has also been repeated by President Joe Biden. It stems from a report by the left-wing Atlantic, which has never been directly corroborated, and has been refuted by many eyewitnesses.

13. False fracking claims

Harris claimed she never called to ban fracking. This is false, as she explicitly called to end fracking when running for president in 2019.

14. False oil production claims

Harris claimed that the Biden-Harris administration ramped up oil production. This is false. The Biden-Harris administration has actively worked to curb domestic oil production.

Early in the administration, Biden ordered the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and review existing permits for fossil fuel development. In 2023, the Biden-Harris administration canceled oil leases sold by the Trump administration in the Alaskan wildlife refuge and blocked new drilling.

15. National Sales Tax

Harris accused Trump of proposing a national sales tax. This is false. President Trump has not proposed a national sales tax.

During the debate, Harris referred to a “Trump sales tax” and claimed it would add 20 percent to the cost of goods. She was likely referring to Trump’s proposal to raise tariffs on imports.

But tariffs are paid by companies that import goods from abroad and not by consumers. They are not a sales tax.

16. Distorting unemployment figures

Harris claimed that Trump “left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” This is false, as unemployment was 6.4 percent in January 2021, not far from full employment, when Trump left office.

17. “I was raised middle-class”

Harris claimed she had a middle-class upbringing, saying, ” I was raised as a middle-class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.”

This is mostly false. Harris had a rich Canadian upbringing, growing up in Westmount — a majority English neighborhood in the French province of Quebec.

Amusingly, Harris made her “middle-class” claim while completely dodging the question, “Do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?” — and again, ABC moderators never brought her back on track to the question at hand.

18. “Terminating” the Constitution

Harris claimed that Trump wants to “terminate” the U.S. Constitution. This is false. Trump does not want to “terminate” the Constitution and has refuted this lie himself.

Her claim likely stems from Trump’s reaction in 2022 to a bombshell New York Post report that the Democrat Party colluded with what was then known as Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution,” Trump said in a 2022 Truth Social post. “This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their HOAXES & SCAMS.”

“What I said was that when there is ‘MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,’ as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG,” Trump added.

19. “Sold us out” to China

Harris claimed that Trump “sold us out” to the Chinese government with policies that “ended up selling American chips to China.” This is false.

The Trump administration blocked the takeover of an American semiconductor maker by a Chinese investor, restricted exports to China’s top chipmaker, and largely limited sales to China and even to third countries who do business with Chinese companies considered a national security threat, such as the telecommunications company Huawei.

In another example of blatant gaslighting, the Biden-Harris administration reportedly started greenlighting third party suppliers to sell chips to Huawei in 2021.

20. “Not one” troop in any war zone

Harris claimed there are currently no active-duty troops in any combat zone anywhere around the world for the first time this century. This is false.

There are currently active duty U.S. troops deployed to Iraq and Syria who have been under frequent attack by Iran-backed militia forces over the past year. There are also thousands of active-duty U.S. sailors deployed to the Middle East who are facing attacks by drone strikes and missiles fired by the Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. Earlier this year, three U.S. soldiers were killed on the border of Syria by Iran-backed forces.

21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

21. Taking guns away Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.” Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns. While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.

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MUST WATCH: The last time Kamala ran for President, she told David Muir that she would use executive orders for gun control. Even Biden was telling her that it wasn't constitutional. She just laughed at him. https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1833717828890845374

Kamala and Tampon Timmy have both said they don't care for the constitution

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-father-taught-her-well-how-trump-dismissed-rivals-economic-policies-13814021.html Who is Kamala Harris’ father? Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory. Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university. Trump said - 'Harris is a Marxist, her professor father taught her well': How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies FP Staff • September 11, 2024 During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’ and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”. Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist. “She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist. Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off.

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Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist

Here you shoot yourself in the foot.

If you understood what you posted you would get that a post-keynesian economist is about the opposite to a marxist. His title is dependant on him not being Marxist.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:04pm: 21. Taking guns away Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.” Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns. While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made. Quote: MUST WATCH: The last time Kamala ran for President, she told David Muir that she would use executive orders for gun control. Even Biden was telling her that it wasn't constitutional. She just laughed at him. https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1833717828890845374 Kamala and Tampon Timmy have both said they don't care for the constitution

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both said they don't care for the constitution

You thinking of Donald right?  He has actually attacked the constitution and breached much of it.

Kamala criticised Trump for talking to the Taliban.

This Black dude will tell you what he said to them  :)

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Holy sh*t. This is a must watch 👇🏽 https://x.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1833871202705702915

No American soldiers were killed for 18 months after that.

Arse kissing doesn't work with tin pot dictators.

The leftards should realise over 20 years of forcing democracy on muslims doesn't work they don't care for anything that isn't Islamic the Taliban is evidence of this.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:21pm:

You thinking of Donald right?  He has actually attacked the constitution and breached much of it.

The Constitution, the Ten Commandments, no matter how revered or ostensibly sacred they may be, there's nothing Trump won't desecrate or exploit for his own personal advantage, regardless of how much hollow lip service he pays to them.

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This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate. There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span. This is not “bias." It’s much worse. This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information. When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is. 1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange. 2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check. 3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check. 4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check. 5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check. 6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check. 7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check. To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators: "They did exactly what their bosses wanted." https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919

That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked.

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SHOCK VIDEO:  Woman calls clinic in Maryland asking for an abortion at 34 weeks. Clinic AGREES and explains how they stop the babies  heartbeat. This is SICK and once again proves Kamala lied, and ABC ran cover. https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1833966129586602365

The moderator last night insinuated that doesn’t happen and Kamala Harris scoffed at the notion of an abortion in the 7th or 8th month!

34 weeks is 8 1/2 months a bit late to think about having an abortion.

Another lie the moderators covered for Kamala instead of fact checking.

Abortion is now a state issue Trump cannot make a federal law outlawing it Kamala told another whopper with that.
If Trump could outlaw it at federal level then the democrats could have enshrined the right to one at federal level yet they didn't do it.

In Australia we generally don't do them after 12 weeks.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:40pm:

Quote: This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate. There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span. This is not “bias." It’s much worse. This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information. When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is. 1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange. 2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check. 3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check. 4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check. 5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check. 6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check. 7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check. To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators: "They did exactly what their bosses wanted." https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919 That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked.

MAGA tears really are salty, but oh so delicious.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:40pm: Quote: This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate. There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span. This is not “bias." It’s much worse. This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information. When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is. 1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange. 2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check. 3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check. 4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check. 5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check. 6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check. 7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check. To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators: "They did exactly what their bosses wanted." https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919 That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked. MAGA tears really are salty, but oh so delicious.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:53pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:40pm: Quote: This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate. There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span. This is not “bias." It’s much worse. This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information. When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is. 1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange. 2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check. 3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check. 4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check. 5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check. 6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check. 7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check. To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators: "They did exactly what their bosses wanted." https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919 That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked. MAGA tears really are salty, but oh so delicious.

Newsmax.... Hahaha the cope...

Dnarever wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:23pm: https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-father-taught-her-well-how-trump-dismissed-rivals-economic-policies-13814021.html Who is Kamala Harris’ father? Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory. Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university. Trump said - 'Harris is a Marxist, her professor father taught her well': How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies FP Staff • September 11, 2024 During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’ and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”. Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist. “She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist. Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off. Quote: Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist Here you shoot yourself in the foot. If you understood what you posted you would get that a post-keynesian economist is about the opposite to a marxist. His title is dependant on him not being Marxist.

But he has written on Marxist theory.    :-[

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:21pm: Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:53pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm: Next debate Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance. ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwe04vatSKg Of course it's rigged... Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say? God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time. Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  :D 25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-against-trump/ You didn't post any fact checks, dear boy, but guess who: The Federalist, brought to you by the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. Quote: During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published many pieces that contained false information, pseudoscience, and contradictions or misrepresentations of the recommendations of public health authorities.[5][6][7] While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[8][9] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website) Ve musst belif vat ze Daily Beast and Reuters say! Oh, ja? Not our lying eyez! Oh, nein!

You didn't even bother to post the content of your silly little link, dear.

If you did, people would get to read ridiculous tit for tat "facts" they posted such as your DL's own lies.

Lie: Karmala says foreign governments aren't emptying out their jails, mental hospitals and mental asylums.

Truth: DL said they are.

I actually do think Karmala snuck a couple of howlers in. Your fake news doesn't even mention them.

Karnal wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

You didn't even bother to post the content of your silly little link, dear. If you did, people would get to read ridiculous tit for tat "facts" such as your DL's own lies. I actually do think Karmala snuck a couple of howlers in. Your fake news doesn't even mention them.

Trump only ever tells fibs but Kamala tells lies.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:

what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to "fact check a debate"  :D :D :D

Anyone?

Er, like, everyone. It's what citizens do to decide who to vote for.

We know you put a bag of chaff in front of two politicians and vote for the first one horsie eats from, but you're in the minority, dear.

WATCH NOW: CNN Turns Against Kamala Harris.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsY8DXMtM4

https://i.imgur.com/Yd4PJOE.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-jiH6IgvjM