A popular gym here in Australia has banned cameras, leading to other bans around the world. Good! Are you there to video yourself or to work out and get fit? If you want to do videos, buy gym equipment and make all the videos you want to at home. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of women complaining about being looked at while at the gym but they post videos of themselves on social media at the gym wearing figure-hugging, revealing outfits in suggestive poses/angles! I don't want to be in the background of your stupid TikTok video. If you want to go to the gym to get fit then fine, but don't use the gym to try to boost your social media following. I think it should be illegal to use cameras/phones to record in a gym - period.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/exercise/aussie-gyms-controversial-rule-has-sparked-a-global-crackdown/news-story/2b4ef01386439f1aebef91aadb907444

I think there were bans on taking photos in swimming pools and children sport events few years back. User Uncanny discussed them here if I remember right.

tallowood wrote on Sep 18^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

I think there were bans on taking photos in swimming pools and children sport events few years back. User Uncanny discussed them here if I remember right.

If the users are using the pool for anything other than waterworks, then there is no need for a ban on at least one camera in the pool area. Security just needs to be discrete about what footage to show the emergency services.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 18^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

tallowood wrote on Sep 18th, 2024 at 12:08pm: I think there were bans on taking photos in swimming pools and children sport events few years back. User Uncanny discussed them here if I remember right. If the users are using the pool for anything other than waterworks, then there is no need for a ban on at least one camera in the pool area. Security just needs to be discrete about what footage to show the emergency services.

Pool admin needs cameras everywhere. I would say even in changing rooms. And sure there is concern about pool staff spying on (or distributing) changing room footage, but why not encrypt that so only the highest staff or the police can access it?

Men and women should feel safe in the changing rooms. They are not, in reality. Men can enter a women's changing room, and vice versa, plus of course women can commit offences against other women (in a changing room) and obviously vice versa.

Back in the mainstream, it should be possible for relatives of someone who drowned, to bring a case against pool staff. There should be video always, to establish whether that charge is sound or unsound.

Now we get to the difficult bit. Should swimmers be allowed to film other swimmers? I find it hard to deny a parent the right to film their child jumping into the water. Or completing their first lap. Adults filming their partner respelendent in a skimpy swim suit. Consent is given, or reasonably implied (parents always have the consent of their children.)

Seems to me a situation of "if you can't regulate it, you must ban it" and I think the opposite. You take your pretty girlfriend or your children to the pool, you necessarily consent to strangers taking photos or video of your precious one.

Perhaps we could have No Photo and Yes Photo pools?

tallowood wrote on Sep 18^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

I think there were bans on taking photos in swimming pools and children sport events few years back. User Uncanny discussed them here if I remember right.

Bans on pool events I can understand. If there are a hundred parents there, odds are pretty good that one of those parents is a pedo.

But sporting events? The odds are the same, except in this case the children are clothed. The lone pedo can films hundreds of children running, lunging and falling over, but the odds of getting one decent 'upskirt' are much less.

Apple and Samsung are to blame. If they'd just stayed out of the mobile phone market, the phone that most people carry would only be capable of a grainy image of some distant kid falling over or splaying their legs climbing out of a pool.

But as it is, resolution is ever increasing. People just have to accept that the power to pick tiny details from an image they waved their phone at, also means the ability of strangers to see their child's crotch when some other naughty kid pulls the kid's bathers down.

I'm not rejoicing in this. I'm just pointing out a reality of the digital age.

Aurora Complexus wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 10:51pm:

Men and women should feel safe in the changing rooms. They are not, in reality.

I ALWAYS feel "safe" - in or out of the change room.
I've been a regular at nude beaches - since I rode my push-bike  to Sunny-side North beach, in my teens.
I've been a full-time nudist, up here on the farm, for well over a decade.
I'm used to "honks" from slowed down cars, utes and small trucks - while I work away in the vege patch.
I've spent the last couple of years in-and-out of three hospitals - in recovery and rehabilitation -from a whole heap of broken bones, torn tendon and torn nerves.
I've been bathed and showered, daily, by every doctor, nurse and orderly - male and female - between Bendigo and Melbourne.
I've had multiple X-rays and CT scans - which deliver a perfect image of one cock and two balls, every time - to be passed around between departments, doctors and specialists - as well as osteo training groups.
So ME and "privacy" ?
I think I've forgotten what the words MEAN ?
I only know i don't NEED it.
I don't MISS it.
... and get along well - WITHOUT it.







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buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2024 at 11:21pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 10:51pm: Men and women should feel safe in the changing rooms. They are not, in reality. I ALWAYS feel "safe" - in or out of the change room. I've been a regular at nude beaches - since I rode my push-bike  to Sunny-side North beach, in my teens. I've been a full-time nudist, up here on the farm, for well over a decade. I'm used to "honks" from slowed down cars, utes and small trucks - while I work away in the vege patch. I've spent the last couple of years in-and-out of three hospitals - in recovery and rehabilitation -from a whole heap of broken bones, torn tendon and torn nerves. I've been bathed and showered, daily, by every doctor, nurse and orderly - male and female - between Bendigo and Melbourne. I've had multiple X-rays and CT scans - which deliver a perfect image of one cock and two balls, every time - to be passed around between departments, doctors and specialists - as well as osteo training groups. So ME and "privacy" ? I think I've forgotten what the words MEAN ? I only know i don't NEED it. I don't MISS it. ... and get along well - WITHOUT it. .

Well that's fine. You feel comfortable in a modern world of people who want to look at you (and don't care if you have a name.)

But I'm trying to consider those people who don't want strangers looking at them or their children.

It not easily that I reach the conclusion that pool staff must have cameras on everyone. I'm even more uneasy with the idea that pool patrons should also have the right to photograph each other. But these are logical consequences of other rights: to be safe (or to sue if not), and to record family moments.

One thing I didn't mention is pool patrons using cameras in the changing room. I think this should be banned.

I hope you agree.

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 4^th, 2024 at 12:53am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:21pm: Aurora Complexus wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 10:51pm: Men and women should feel safe in the changing rooms. They are not, in reality. I ALWAYS feel "safe" - in or out of the change room. But probably, that's just ME - and what my critics call my "gay, nudist, exhibitionist, perverted, lifestyle" I've been a regular at nude beaches - since I rode my push-bike  to Sunny-side North beach, in my teens. I've been a full-time nudist, up here on the farm, for a couple of decade. I'm used to "honks" from slowed down cars, utes and small trucks - while I work away in the vege patch. I've spent the last couple of years in-and-out of three hospitals - in recovery and rehabilitation -from a whole heap of broken bones, torn tendon and torn nerves. I've been bathed and showered, daily, by every doctor, nurse and orderly - male and female - between Bendigo and Melbourne. I've had multiple X-rays and CT scans - which deliver a perfect image of one cock and two balls, every time - to be passed around between departments, doctors and specialists - as well as osteo training groups. So ME and "privacy" ? I think I've forgotten what the words MEAN ? I only know i don't NEED it. I don't MISS it. ... and get along well - WITHOUT it. I'm trying to consider those people who don't want strangers looking at them or their children. One thing I didn't mention is pool patrons using cameras in the changing room. I think this should be banned. I hope you agree.

I can UNDERSTAND your view - without necessarily AGREEING
Parents (mothers, mostly) have a way of 'sexualising' their children - little girls, mostly - by putting them out for public display in adult style, 2-piece bikinis. We'll assume the bikini top was to conceal any four-year-old girl's "breasts" ?

And then there is the shock, horror, outrage that there are paedophiles EVEYWHERE - who had been taking "sick" photos of them.

The "well-organised paedophile" doesn't need a camera, or even go to the beach - as all they need to do, is grab a MYER kids-wear catalogue


https://img.freepik.com/premium-photo/adorable-young-child-with-plaited-hair-colorful-bikini_269655-3708.jpg

When I was a kid of 3 to 6 years, it was quite common to see me - and other boys my age playing in the water and having 'wet sand ball fights' - all totally naked !
Girls were not allowed this "age of innocence" - being far too "unladylike - and before the time 4-year-old girls started "burning their bikini tops"

On a trip to India, quite a while back now, I took a few photos of "Kids allowed to be Kids" still.
The photo is not mine, but I took a few of my own.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Kids_skinny_dipping_in_India.jpg

... not becase I'm some "sleazy, closet paedo" - only that it captured a beautiful moment of freedom and innocence in some childrens' lives - before they were forced to leave all thai, behind them.

"I hope you agree"


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I'm starting to believe the the out-of-Australia theory. 60,000 years of history. Perhaps Indians were indigenous (Melanesian) migrants that intermixed with Asian people.

Having a 19 year old daughter who modeled for Kmart -- yeah, yeah, I know. I did not raise her. I just paid her high school private school tuition -- I know for certain that my daughter grew up to be living in a very safe environment.