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...........  Sen. Lindsey Graham is on a campaign to alter Nebraska‘s election laws to deliver an advantage to former president Donald Trump.       .................

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/lindsey-graham-nebraska-electoral-votes-trump-1235108884/

Hang on, isn't Lindsey Graham a senator from South Carolina?

What's he doing meddling in another state's electoral laws?

DEEP STATE !!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_X7TQWMAEgVtX.jpg

So only two states split the vote among the districts, Nebraska and Maine. That means all the other states are guilty of rorting the system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 4:56pm:

So only two states split the vote ...

But how many split Mr. Graham?

That's the question.

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 4:56pm:

So only two states split the vote among the districts, Nebraska and Maine. That means all the other states are guilty of rorting the system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, it means Republicans like Lindsey Graham want to change other states' electoral laws six weeks before a presidential election.

Now, what do we call those back room elites who make all the rules to suit themselves?

They control the government, business, everything. They put their finger on the scales, write their own regulations, and make the rules for everybody else. What do we call this phenomenon, Lee?

Cheers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 6:53pm:

lee wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 4:56pm: So only two states split the vote ... But how many split Mr. Graham? That's the question.

Oh, Greggery. Between Lindsey and JD, the big fella's gonna have a job on his hands to stay pure.

Lucky he's got Laura to keep him straight.

Gosh, check out her fillers. She's got more plastic in there than the chandeliers in Mr Trump's bathroom.

They'll make a nice couple after Melania cashes in, no?

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Karnal wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 6:54pm:

lee wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 4:56pm: So only two states split the vote among the districts, Nebraska and Maine. That means all the other states are guilty of rorting the system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No, it means Republicans like Lindsey Graham want to change other states' electoral laws six weeks before a presidential election. Now, what do we call those back room elites who make all the rules to suit themselves? They control the government, business, everything. They put their finger on the scales, write their own regulations, and make the rules for everybody else. What do we call this phenomenon, Lee? Cheers.

To quote Brennus, Vae victis.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham wants to cheat

Is this really a topic - Lindsey Graham has a history of cheating with anything and everything.

This would be interesting if he were found not cheating.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 4:16am:

Quote: ...........  Sen. Lindsey Graham is on a campaign to alter Nebraska‘s election laws to deliver an advantage to former president Donald Trump.       ................. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/lindsey-graham-nebraska-electoral-votes-trump-1235108884/

This is why I am glad we have the AEC, with a uniform set of rules/laws governing how the votes are counted. The state-by-state system in the US is ludicrous and clearly too much is open to interpretation and manipulation by political parties.

Setanta wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 7:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: lee wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 4:56pm: So only two states split the vote among the districts, Nebraska and Maine. That means all the other states are guilty of rorting the system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No, it means Republicans like Lindsey Graham want to change other states' electoral laws six weeks before a presidential election. Now, what do we call those back room elites who make all the rules to suit themselves? They control the government, business, everything. They put their finger on the scales, write their own regulations, and make the rules for everybody else. What do we call this phenomenon, Lee? Cheers. To quote Brennus, Vae victis.

Just so, Setanta. If you get conquered, you say oh! 

THEFT !!!

RIGGED !!!

SO UNFAIR !!!

Not sure Mr Trump would agree with the Romans though. Not by gold but with steel?

That's for chumps and losers. Mr Trump had bone spurs. He's more of a gold man.

You?

Karnal wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Now, what do we call those back room elites who make all the rules to suit themselves?

It depends on which side they are. If they are Democrats they are champions of the electoral process. If Republican they are beneath contempt. No? ;)

Karnal wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 7:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 7:04pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: lee wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 4:56pm: So only two states split the vote among the districts, Nebraska and Maine. That means all the other states are guilty of rorting the system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No, it means Republicans like Lindsey Graham want to change other states' electoral laws six weeks before a presidential election. Now, what do we call those back room elites who make all the rules to suit themselves? They control the government, business, everything. They put their finger on the scales, write their own regulations, and make the rules for everybody else. What do we call this phenomenon, Lee? Cheers. To quote Brennus, Vae victis. Just so, Setanta. If you get conquered, you say oh!  THEFT !!! RIGGED !!! SO UNFAIR !!! Not sure Mr Trump would agree with the Romans though. Not by gold but with steel? That's for chumps and losers. Mr Trump had bone spurs. He's more of a gold man. You?

Who knows, it may be easier to pass a Camillus through the eye of a needle.

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Now, what do we call those back room elites who make all the rules to suit themselves? It depends on which side they are. If they are Democrats they are champions of the electoral process. If Republican they are beneath contempt. No? ;)

I see. They're all as bad as each other, is it?

So, which Democrats are trying to change electoral laws during an election?

Don't be shy, Lee. You just need one name.

Cheers.

Karnal wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 8:27pm:

So, which Democrats are trying to change electoral laws during an election?

Oh, you only want to look at ARE TRYING, rather than the done deals. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So you think the Republicans did it all and the Democrats didn't scream? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe they snuck up on them, when they weren't looking. ;)

I repeat; ONLY two states use the system, I guess overall the Dem's are happy. ;)

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 10:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 8:27pm: So, which Democrats are trying to change electoral laws during an election? Oh, you only want to look at ARE TRYING, rather than the done deals. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So you think the Republicans did it all and the Democrats didn't scream? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe they snuck up on them, when they weren't looking. ;) I repeat; ONLY two states use the system, I guess overall the Dem's are happy. ;)

The Democrats have challenged in court up to a few hundred republican changes this term I don't think the republicans have needed to challenge even 1. The last few terms the Republicans have been all about making it more difficult for people to vote.

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 10:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 8:27pm: So, which Democrats are trying to change electoral laws during an election? Oh, you only want to look at ARE TRYING, rather than the done deals. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So you think the Republicans did it all and the Democrats didn't scream? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe they snuck up on them, when they weren't looking. ;) I repeat; ONLY two states use the system, I guess overall the Dem's are happy. ;)

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I repeat; ONLY two states use the system

And have been happy with there system for over 100 years. For 100 years Plus there believed that their method was better.

They can change their mind but it should not be 30 days from an election to make a change for political gain. The change isn't about finding the best method it is about their side winning.

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 10:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 8:27pm: So, which Democrats are trying to change electoral laws during an election? Oh, you only want to look at ARE TRYING, rather than the done deals. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So you think the Republicans did it all and the Democrats didn't scream? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe they snuck up on them, when they weren't looking. ;) I repeat; ONLY two states use the system, I guess overall the Dem's are happy. ;)

No no, which Democrat senators are meeting with state governors to change state electoral laws?

You only need one to make your case.

If you can't do that, can you please edit your earlier post to reflect the truth?

Thanks, Lee.

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 10:03pm:

I repeat; ONLY two states use the system, I guess overall the Dem's are happy. ;)

This state put it on hold when the other state threatened to do the same thing if they went ahead.

They waited till it was too late for the other state to change.

Looks like enough republicans are going to vote it down to prevent it going ahead. I am always amazed when a honest republican puts their hand up.

Karnal wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 10:48pm:

No no, which Democrat senators are meeting with state governors to change state electoral laws?

No.No pet. It is a fait accompli among the other states. So where was the wailing and gnashing of teeth then? ::)


Karnal wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 10:48pm:

If you can't do that, can you please edit your earlier post to reflect the truth?

So you mean there are not only two states who do that system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 2:01pm:

This state put it on hold when the other state threatened to do the same thing if they went ahead. They waited till it was too late for the other state to change.

So the Dem's are in the main happy with the status quo, but don't want the two states to do likewise? That seems very inconsistent. ;)

I think we need reminding ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_X7TQWMAEgVtX.jpg

Don't put ideas in Bobi's head...

lee wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 2:01pm: This state put it on hold when the other state threatened to do the same thing if they went ahead. They waited till it was too late for the other state to change. So the Dem's are in the main happy with the status quo, but don't want the two states to do likewise? That seems very inconsistent. ;)

They just tried to convince the other state to not cheat.

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 4:15pm:

Don't put ideas in Bobi's head...

Lol   ;D

Poor Bobi.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

They just tried to convince the other state to not cheat.

So it is only those states that are cheating? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 10:48pm: No no, which Democrat senators are meeting with state governors to change state electoral laws? No.No pet. It is a fait accompli among the other states. So where was the wailing and gnashing of teeth then? ::) Karnal wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 10:48pm: If you can't do that, can you please edit your earlier post to reflect the truth? So you mean there are not only two states who do that system? Oh dear. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I see. You can't.

One party, the Republicans, use legislative tricks when they find themselves in hot water. They are so brazen they'll seek to meddle in other states' affairs to change the rules, right in the middle of an election.

The other party, the Democrats, do not. They fundraise, pay for ads, knock on doors, and do what they can to get out the vote - democratically. How do we know?

Oh, they all do it, you said.

Do they? We said. No worries, show us a Dem.

You changed the subject.

No no, we said, show us a Dem doing it. You said it.

You refused to say. Instead, you asked irrelevant questions and posted giggles.

So, now we know. They most certainly are not all as bad as each other.

You just won't acknowledge facts.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

lee wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 4:40pm: They just tried to convince the other state to not cheat. So it is only those states that are cheating? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

lee wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 6:54pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 4:40pm: They just tried to convince the other state to not cheat. So it is only those states that are cheating? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally tried hundreds of attempts.

They even tried to overturn a landslide presidential election.

Lee knows that. He tried asking lots of curious questions about 2020 too, knowing full well he was just having a hoot.

RIGGED !!!

Again, the way the election procedures changes from state to state (even from one county to the next in some cases) is mind blowing when compared to the way a federal election is run here in Australia with a national set of rules, procedures, guidelines and legislation to ensure a uniform counting and reporting of votes across the nation by the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC). I get that the US very much likes having state-based control, but for a federal election, surely having one uniform set of rules and laws is best practice to ensure a consistent and fair counting of the votes?

There are some things the Americans do that they really lead the world on, and then there are some things that just make you scratch your head and wonder what the hell are they thinking?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful.

So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair?

So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;)

Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often?

And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

They even tried to overturn a landslide presidential election.

How big was this "landslide", interested people want to know? 74 seats out of 558 is no "landslide". ;)

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 1:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:19pm: They even tried to overturn a landslide presidential election. How big was this "landslide", interested people want to know? 74 seats out of 558 is no "landslide". ;)

You really are a complete dickhead mate....Trump himself has repeatedly referred to his 2016 Presidential win as a "landslide" with 306 Electoral College votes, the same as Biden when he defeated the disgraced former President in 2020....So interested people want to know why 306 Electoral College votes was a landslide in 2016 but not in 2020....Are you calling Trump a liar or are you just stupid and ignorant???

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-won-306-electoral-votes-trump-called-landslide-in-2016-2020-11

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 1:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:19pm: They even tried to overturn a landslide presidential election. How big was this "landslide", interested people want to know?

It was 306 to 232, in Biden's favour.

Trump says that was a landslide in 2016:

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306," Trump said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.

If it was a landslide in 2016, it's a landslide in 2020 too.

Wouldn't you agree?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

It was 306 to 232, in Biden's favour.

As I said 74 seats. Not a landslide. A mere 38 seats would have changed the outcome. 7% for those mathematically challenged.


greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

If it was a landslide in 2016, it's a landslide in 2020 too. Wouldn't you agree?

I don't agree it was a landslide on either occasion. ;)

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

.Are you calling Trump a liar or are you just stupid and ignorant???

Like you, Trump is mathematically challenged. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Have a look at previous outcomes.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-States-Presidential-Election-Results-1788863

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:56pm: .Are you calling Trump a liar or are you just stupid and ignorant??? Like you, Trump is mathematically challenged. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Have a look at previous outcomes. https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-States-Presidential-Election-Results-1788863

I was pointing out that Trump claimed it was a landslide victory in 2016....Joe Biden has never made that claim has he ya smacking dickhead....So you are calling Trump a liar and you are stupid and ignorant!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 3:19pm:

I was pointing out that Trump claimed it was a landslide victory in 2016....Joe Biden has never made that claim has he ya smacking dickhead..

And I NEVER made a claim either way. It must be your drug induced haze. ::)


philperth2010 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 3:19pm:

So you are calling Trump a liar and you are stupid and ignorant!!!

Repetition with no substantive backup. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:45pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:19pm: They even tried to overturn a landslide presidential election. How big was this "landslide", interested people want to know? It was 306 to 232, in Biden's favour. Trump says that was a landslide in 2016: "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306," Trump said in an interview on Fox News Sunday. If it was a landslide in 2016, it's a landslide in 2020 too. Wouldn't you agree?

Lee's no Trump man, Greggery, oh no.

He's just obedient, that's all.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 3:19pm: I was pointing out that Trump claimed it was a landslide victory in 2016....Joe Biden has never made that claim has he ya smacking dickhead.. And I NEVER made a claim either way.

And all I did was point out it was Trump making the bullshit claim about a landslide....You are calling Trump a liar and I agree!!!

:) :) :)

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 4:28pm:

Lee's no Trump man, Greggery, oh no. He's just obedient, that's all.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

I don't agree it was a landslide on either occasion.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:59pm:

Like you, Trump is mathematically challenged.

Wow. I am obedient to him? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 4:28pm: Lee's no Trump man, Greggery, oh no. He's just obedient, that's all. lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 2:58pm: I don't agree it was a landslide on either occasion. lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 2:59pm: Like you, Trump is mathematically challenged. Wow. I am obedient to him? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're in a thread to defend his party's tricks to get him erected, Lee. Oh ya.

Sometimes a question is just a question, no?

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

You're in a thread to defend his party's tricks to get him erected, Lee. Oh ya.

And yet you haven't shown that. All I have asked is which process do the Democrats favour. And you can't even provide logical commentary. What a waste of space you are. An illogical
Democrat supporter. Who knew? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But we know logic isn't your strongpoint.


Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

Sometimes a question is just a question, no?

You are the one who doesn't question, therefore you must know the answers. But you don't want to tell us. ;)

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 2:28pm: It was 306 to 232, in Biden's favour. As I said 74 seats. Not a landslide. A mere 38 seats would have changed the outcome. 7% for those mathematically challenged. greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 2:28pm: If it was a landslide in 2016, it's a landslide in 2020 too. Wouldn't you agree? I don't agree it was a landslide on either occasion. ;)

So, Trump was lying.

Thanks for the clarification.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 2:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:56pm: .Are you calling Trump a liar or are you just stupid and ignorant??? Like you, Trump is mathematically challenged.

Not just mathematically, dear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Thanks for the clarification.

You're welcome. ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 5:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 4:42pm: You're in a thread to defend his party's tricks to get him erected, Lee. Oh ya. And yet you haven't shown that. All I have asked is which process do the Democrats favour. And you can't even provide logical commentary. What a waste of space you are. An illogical Democrat supporter. Who knew? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But we know logic isn't your strongpoint. Karnal wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 4:42pm: Sometimes a question is just a question, no? You are the one who doesn't question, therefore you must know the answers. But you don't want to tell us. ;)

You blew it with they all do it, Lee. You should know by now, dear, whenever you're going to recite lines to defend DL, you need a couple of examples under your belt to back them up.

The leftards are cunning and will do everything they can to put you off balance. Besides, in this case, they have the truth on their side. Lindsey Graham is a devious old plotter. Most unAmerican.

You now have one of two options, keep persisting with a lie, or admit it. Okay, the Republicans are election cheats. You've already conceded it. 

Just admit it.

Whether it is supreme court justices or elections all Graham has to be remembered for is cheating.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

Whether it is supreme court justices or elections all Graham has to be remembered for is cheating.

And licking Trump's balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjrdanK4LSY

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

You blew it with they all do it, Lee.

And another thing I haven't said. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You are such a gobsmacking fool.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair?

It is when it is done to gain a political advantage which is the reason they are mostly losing in the courts. Moving boundary lines to water down the black vote. Turning two black districts into one. Closing a Democrat voter district and merging it into 3 republican districts. stuff like that. Some has gone through but a lot hasn't. The AEC rebalances districts to make it fairer. The republicans redistrict to win elections.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often?

In 2020 the dead voted Trump in big numbers.

The vast majority of people cleansed from the rolls have been alive residents in their proper area. Rolls are cleansed by republicans in Democrat areas in an effort to prevent genuine residents from voting.

lee wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 7:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 6:34pm: You blew it with they all do it, Lee. And another thing I haven't said. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are such a gobsmacking fool.

Oh, I see. So when you said it depends on which side they are, you meant Democrats are champions of the electoral process.

Is that it?

Perhaps you'd like to edit your original post, Lee. Clear this one up once and for all.

We advised you to do that in the first place, dear. You really are most stubborn, no?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 25^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:43pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? In 2020 the dead voted Trump in big numbers. The vast majority of people cleansed from the rolls have been alive residents in their proper area. Rolls are cleansed by republicans in Democrat areas in an effort to prevent genuine residents from voting.

Just so. In 2020, there were multiple convictions for voter fraud. I believe all of them were Republican.

Lee can prove me wrong with his facts if he likes.

RIGGED !!!

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 12:16am:

Oh, I see. So when you said it depends on which side they are, you meant Democrats are champions of the electoral process.

What was said -

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 7:55pm:

It depends on which side they are. If they are Democrats they are champions of the electoral process. If Republican they are beneath contempt. No? ;)

Which is a looong way from saying both sides are doing it. Now what is it? Is it election rigging when only two states do it? Or is it election rigging when the college vote is comprehensively given to the winner? They are mutually exclusive.

You are such a fool.

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:07pm:

Which is a looong way from saying both sides are doing it.

no it's not you fool. You just claimed that both sides do it you fool. The only thing that changed was how it's looked upon when they do it :D :D

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 12:19am:

I believe all of them were Republican.

You believe? ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

no it's not you fool. You just claimed that both sides do it you fool.

No I didn't. You tried to read between the lines. What you need to read is what is on the lines. ;)


John Smith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

The only thing that changed was how it's looked upon when they do it

So YOU think if the Democrats do it, it is good, but when Republicans do it, it is bad? Or is it the other way around? ;)

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

No I didn't.

no? So you claimed they were 'champions' or 'beneath contempt' for not doing anything? :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

no? So you claimed they were 'champions' or 'beneath contempt' for not doing anything?

Poor Guido. Rhetorical questions escape him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Where did I say EITHER side did it? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 12:19am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 9:08pm: lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:43pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? In 2020 the dead voted Trump in big numbers. The vast majority of people cleansed from the rolls have been alive residents in their proper area. Rolls are cleansed by republicans in Democrat areas in an effort to prevent genuine residents from voting. Just so. In 2020, there were multiple convictions for voter fraud. I believe all of them were Republican. Lee can prove me wrong with his facts if he likes. RIGGED !!!

The Republicans just love committing voter fraud.

Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules

Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony, a judge ruled.

A judge ruled this week that a top Georgia Republican Party official, who has promoted former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud affecting the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, has repeatedly voted illegally.

Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and a conservative talk show host, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony conviction. Pritchard was also ordered not to commit further violations, to face public reprimand for his conduct and to pay the State Election Board's investigative costs.

In a 25-page ruling Wednesday, Administrative Law Judge Lisa Boggs affirmed the board's finding that Pritchard had voted illegally nine times in defiance of his extended probation in connection with a pair of felony convictions dating back nearly 30 years.

Pritchard was initially sentenced in 1996 to three years’ probation in connection with felony forgery charges in Pennsylvania, according to the ruling.

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 12:16am: Oh, I see. So when you said it depends on which side they are, you meant Democrats are champions of the electoral process. What was said - lee wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 7:55pm: It depends on which side they are. If they are Democrats they are champions of the electoral process. If Republican they are beneath contempt. No? ;) Which is a looong way from saying both sides are doing it.

I see. So what did you mean by if they are Democrats, Lee?

Proposing a hypothetical, were you?

No worries. So now we know the Democrats aren't doing it, what do you have to say about the Republicans?

Cheers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

The Republicans just love committing voter fraud.

"Speaking to Reuters, Wendy Weiser ( here ), vice president of the Democracy Program at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice (here) said that “the incidence of fraud and misconduct is infinitesimally rare.”
Weiser highlighted that there are “strong safeguards at every stage” of the voting process to guarantee its integrity."

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/re-examining-how-and-why-voter-fraud-is-exceedingly-rare-in-the-us-ahead-of-th-idUSL1N2XP2AI/

"Expelled former Democratic congressman Michael “Ozzie” Myers has been sentenced to 30 months in prison for federal election fraud dating back to 2014, the Justice Department said Tuesday, and was immediately taken into custody."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/michael-ozzie-myers-election-fraud-prison-sentenced/index.html

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

So what did you mean by if they are Democrats, Lee?

Another who doesn't understand "rhetorical". ;)
Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

So now we know the Democrats aren't doing it, what do you have to say about the Republicans?

Really? You KNOW? And yet you haven't posted any proof. ::)

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 1:16pm: no? So you claimed they were 'champions' or 'beneath contempt' for not doing anything? Poor Guido. Rhetorical questions escape him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Where did I say EITHER side did it? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nothing rhetorical about it. You claimed it as a given.
What does escape though me is stupidity. Thats why I struggle to understand you at times.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 12:19am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 9:08pm: lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:43pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? In 2020 the dead voted Trump in big numbers. The vast majority of people cleansed from the rolls have been alive residents in their proper area. Rolls are cleansed by republicans in Democrat areas in an effort to prevent genuine residents from voting. Just so. In 2020, there were multiple convictions for voter fraud. I believe all of them were Republican. Lee can prove me wrong with his facts if he likes. RIGGED !!! The Republicans just love committing voter fraud. Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony, a judge ruled. A judge ruled this week that a top Georgia Republican Party official, who has promoted former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud affecting the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, has repeatedly voted illegally. Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and a conservative talk show host, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony conviction. Pritchard was also ordered not to commit further violations, to face public reprimand for his conduct and to pay the State Election Board's investigative costs. In a 25-page ruling Wednesday, Administrative Law Judge Lisa Boggs affirmed the board's finding that Pritchard had voted illegally nine times in defiance of his extended probation in connection with a pair of felony convictions dating back nearly 30 years. Pritchard was initially sentenced in 1996 to three years’ probation in connection with felony forgery charges in Pennsylvania, according to the ruling.

So many Republicans.

Iowa woman found guilty of voter fraud in support of Republican husband

An Iowa woman found guilty on 52 counts of voter fraud, carried out in support of her Republican husband, was given an eight-month custodial sentence.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 12:19am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 9:08pm: lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:43pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? In 2020 the dead voted Trump in big numbers. The vast majority of people cleansed from the rolls have been alive residents in their proper area. Rolls are cleansed by republicans in Democrat areas in an effort to prevent genuine residents from voting. Just so. In 2020, there were multiple convictions for voter fraud. I believe all of them were Republican. Lee can prove me wrong with his facts if he likes. RIGGED !!! The Republicans just love committing voter fraud. Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony, a judge ruled. A judge ruled this week that a top Georgia Republican Party official, who has promoted former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud affecting the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, has repeatedly voted illegally. Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and a conservative talk show host, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony conviction. Pritchard was also ordered not to commit further violations, to face public reprimand for his conduct and to pay the State Election Board's investigative costs. In a 25-page ruling Wednesday, Administrative Law Judge Lisa Boggs affirmed the board's finding that Pritchard had voted illegally nine times in defiance of his extended probation in connection with a pair of felony convictions dating back nearly 30 years. Pritchard was initially sentenced in 1996 to three years’ probation in connection with felony forgery charges in Pennsylvania, according to the ruling.

Oh, my. That's a pretty clear cut case of voter fraud there, Greggery. A convicted felon too.

And this, the professed party of law and order.

Despicable stuff.

So let's see. We have Republican voters engaging in voter fraud, and we have their candidate, convicted for financial fraud, found civilly liable for business fraud and currently before the courts on multiple counts of electoral fraud.

What would you say to the hypothetical proposition that they're all as bad as each other?

John Smith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

Nothing rhetorical about it. You claimed it as a given.

The only thing as a given is your stupidity. ::)

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 2:11pm: So what did you mean by if they are Democrats, Lee? Another who doesn't understand "rhetorical". ;) Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 2:11pm: So now we know the Democrats aren't doing it, what do you have to say about the Republicans? Really? You KNOW? And yet you haven't posted any proof. ::)

Sorry Lee, I thought you were proposing a hypothetical. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you used the word if.

Are you now saying that they are doing it? They really are all as bad as each other?

No worries. We'll start again. Kindly post your proof that Democrat politicians are meddling in other states to change their election laws in the middle of an election. If you can't do this, please edit your original post to reflect the truth.

Thanks, Lee.

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you used the word if.

But you didn't. You claimed to KNOW.


Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

So now we know the Democrats aren't doing it, what do you have to say about the Republicans?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 1:50pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 12:19am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 9:08pm: lee wrote on Sep 25th, 2024 at 1:43pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The republicans have lost dozens of cases aimed at rigging the election results. Redrawing electoral boundary maps, Challenging voter registrations to get registered voters taken off the rolls, all sorts of new voting rules, Voting restrictions, no vote by mail regulations and it goes on and on. Now Lindsey is trying this one. The republicans have literally made hundreds of attempts. Some have been successful. So because Democrats control a number of the states, why don't they insist on a change? If you think it is so unfair? So redrawing electoral boundaries is unfair? Better tell the AEC. ;) Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? And all in the name of rigging elections? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote: Removing voters from the roll? So you want the dead to vote and vote often? In 2020 the dead voted Trump in big numbers. The vast majority of people cleansed from the rolls have been alive residents in their proper area. Rolls are cleansed by republicans in Democrat areas in an effort to prevent genuine residents from voting. Just so. In 2020, there were multiple convictions for voter fraud. I believe all of them were Republican. Lee can prove me wrong with his facts if he likes. RIGGED !!! The Republicans just love committing voter fraud. Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony, a judge ruled. A judge ruled this week that a top Georgia Republican Party official, who has promoted former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud affecting the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, has repeatedly voted illegally. Brian Pritchard, first vice chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and a conservative talk show host, was fined $5,000 for voting illegally and registering to vote while serving a sentence for a felony conviction. Pritchard was also ordered not to commit further violations, to face public reprimand for his conduct and to pay the State Election Board's investigative costs. In a 25-page ruling Wednesday, Administrative Law Judge Lisa Boggs affirmed the board's finding that Pritchard had voted illegally nine times in defiance of his extended probation in connection with a pair of felony convictions dating back nearly 30 years. Pritchard was initially sentenced in 1996 to three years’ probation in connection with felony forgery charges in Pennsylvania, according to the ruling. So many Republicans. Iowa woman found guilty of voter fraud in support of Republican husband An Iowa woman found guilty on 52 counts of voter fraud, carried out in support of her Republican husband, was given an eight-month custodial sentence.

52 counts? Ee-gad, Greggery, in a tight race, that could swing an election.

But I'm curious. With all your research into this, have you found any proof of the illegals engaging in voter fraud?

Lee may have another hypothetical up his sleeve.

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Correct me if I'm wrong, but you used the word if. But you didn't. You claimed to KNOW. Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 2:11pm: So now we know the Democrats aren't doing it, what do you have to say about the Republicans? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Right. So you are saying they're all doing it.

Good to get that one sorted out, Lee. Now, can you post your proof?

Again, we'll need to see evidence of federal Democrat politicians colluding with state governors to change their electoral laws - in the middle of an election.

Post that, and you won't have to correct your earlier statement, but can I ask you a favor?

Please don't try to change your original claim again. It's getting way too confusing.

Cheers.

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 2:23pm: Nothing rhetorical about it. You claimed it as a given. The only thing as a given is your stupidity. ::)

now now, you were stupid long before I gave you anything

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

Right. So you are saying they're all doing it.

Nope. That's what you are inferring I said. You are the one saying you KNOW the Democrats aren't doing it. And you KNOW no such thing.  You are beyond boring. ::)

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 4:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 3:01pm: Right. So you are saying they're all doing it. Nope. That's what you are inferring I said. You are the one saying you KNOW the Democrats aren't doing it. And you KNOW no such thing.  You are beyond boring. ::)

Boy, Lee, this is getting hard. What DID you mean then?

Do you want to spell it out for the leftards here?

They're not very bright, dear.

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 4:27pm:

What DID you mean then?

That you don't KNOW what the democrats do. ::)

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 4:27pm: What DID you mean then? That you don't KNOW what the democrats do. ::)

Of course I do. No Democrat politicians have been on Meet the Press to announce it, dear.

So, back to you. We have NO Democrats in the house or Senate seeking to change state electoral laws in the middle of the current election.

As far as I'm aware, there were NO Democrats in the house or Senate dealing with state governors to do this in the 2020 election, or 2016 or, based on your evidence to date, any election prior to that. How do I know?

You haven't posted any. You haven't provided any proof at all. All you've done is raise the enigmatic hypothetical: if the Democrats did it.

So now we know. The Democrats are NOT doing it, only the Republicans. That means, categorically, they're NOT all as bad as each other.

Over to you to change your original post, Lee.

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 5:30pm:

So now we know. The Democrats are NOT doing it, only the Republicans.

No that is speculation.

But you still haven't answered the basic question. Which of the two methods of College preferences is correct? Only one can be. If it is the two state option then the other college method, despite being used by most, is incorrect. ::)

lee wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 5:30pm: So now we know. The Democrats are NOT doing it, only the Republicans. No that is speculation. But you still haven't answered the basic question. Which of the two methods of College preferences is correct? Only one can be. If it is the two state option then the other college method, despite being used by most, is incorrect. ::)

First, they're all as bad as each other. Now, it's whatabout that?

Sorry, Lee, if you're going to play professor, you need to stick to facts.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

You didn't answer that one either.

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 7:14pm:

First, they're all as bad as each other.

And again he needs to make schist up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D