if we wanted to define "better' we would say

unselfish
put others first
always smiling
always positive
want to share their gifts
want to contribute
understand you have to give before you recieve
rarely complain
dont gossip
always aiming to give more
passionate
focused

now, if you have the above attributes and you go into business, be it as a tradie or some other small business, what happens?

you absolutely thrive in the market
people flock to you
return customers are virtually gauranteed.
you get so many customers , you have to raise your prices to keep the workload manageable

and you get rich


thereby proving the hypothesis that rich people get rich because they have all the admirable personailty and behavioural characteristics

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 1:02pm:

thereby proving the hypothesis that rich people get rich because they have all the admirable personailty and behavioural characteristics

Or, Daddy puts them on the payroll when they're 3-years-old and then gives them half a billion dollars by the time they're 21.

Obviously, Aquascoot does not have these attributes.

Never complain? Aquascoot always finds something to complain about. He would find a cause if there was actually nothing for Aquascoot to complain about.

If people were flocking to Aquascoot he would be so busy he couldn't scratch himself. No evidence that this si so.

Or put another way - via the OCEAN personality traits:

The most effective personalities in life and career are:

High in Openness to experience - Open-minded with a high IQ
High in Conscientiousness - Industrious and Orderly
High in Extroversion - Enthusiastic and Assertive
Low  in Agreeableness - Not overly Compassionate nor overly Polite
Low in  Neuroticism - Not withdrawn nor volatile

The single most important trait is conscientiousness.

Conscientious people are dutiful, Orderly, Achievement-focused, self-disciplined and cautious.

The single worst trait is to be high in neuroticism.

Neurotic people are anxiety-prone, angry, hostile, depressed, self-conscious, impulsive and have an acute sense of vulnerability.

horseboy read that in a book did he? :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 1:51pm:

horseboy read that in a book did he? :D

Aquascoot read it on the back of a public toilet door while cavorting with MeisterEckhart.

Not all the rich made themselves rich. Many, if not most, of them inherited the money.

If I put aquascoot's latest word salad into here:

https://onlinetools.com/random/shuffle-words

This is what I get:


Quote:

rich you wanted , flock you return market people because get aiming all more passionate focused now, rich happens? you we say unselfish put to to "better' or if your gifts want manageable and have some people get absolutely into go personailty tradie to characteristics contribute understand complain dont define get proving we what to the and as would you thrive it many and prices admirable before gauranteed. you rich thereby virtually to to smiling always the business, the they hypothesis to the above you give to the others other if share customers are their positive want customers business, small so be you recieve rarely gossip always give first always attributes raise behavioural in that a have workload you keep have have you

Which makes about as much sense as his post does.

Kinda reminds me of Vogon Poetry.

:)

Carl D wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 2:22pm:

If I put aquascoot's latest word salad into here: https://onlinetools.com/random/shuffle-words This is what I get: Quote: rich you wanted , flock you return market people because get aiming all more passionate focused now, rich happens? you we say unselfish put to to "better' or if your gifts want manageable and have some people get absolutely into go personailty tradie to characteristics contribute understand complain dont define get proving we what to the and as would you thrive it many and prices admirable before gauranteed. you rich thereby virtually to to smiling always the business, the they hypothesis to the above you give to the others other if share customers are their positive want customers business, small so be you recieve rarely gossip always give first always attributes raise behavioural in that a have workload you keep have have you Which makes about as much sense as his post does. Kinda reminds me of Vogon Poetry. :)

why are you reading my posts?

havent you got important covid research to do?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 1:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 1:51pm: horseboy read that in a book did he? :D Aquascoot read it on the back of a public toilet door while cavorting with MeisterEckhart. Not all the rich made themselves rich. Many, if not most, of them inherited the money.

thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 1:55pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 1:51pm: horseboy read that in a book did he? :D Aquascoot read it on the back of a public toilet door while cavorting with MeisterEckhart. Not all the rich made themselves rich. Many, if not most, of them inherited the money. thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying  ;)

It is the truth.

Confess your misbegotten existence Aquascoot.

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aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 2:42pm:

thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying

I swear you get dumber with every post. It's as if each day you bounce out of bed and ask yourself, 'how can I outstupid yesterdays comments?' And then you set about doing it. ::)

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 2:42pm: thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying I swear you get dumber with every post. It's as if each day you bounce out of bed and ask yourself, 'how can I outstupid yesterdays comments?' And then you set about doing it. ::)

so you think you get rich by

complaining
gossiping
refusing to take 'personal responsibility"
taking
setting the bar low
offering up low quality service
living in the world of "me,me,me"
seeing every interaction as a win/lose
being jealous and envious of those who have been succesful   ;) ;) ;)
and numbing the pain with pot alcohol the pokies and kfc


you should write a self help book john

"the idiots guide to failing at life"  :-[ :-[ :-[

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:07pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 2:42pm: thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying I swear you get dumber with every post. It's as if each day you bounce out of bed and ask yourself, 'how can I outstupid yesterdays comments?' And then you set about doing it. ::) so you think you get rich by complaining gossiping refusing to take 'personal responsibility" taking setting the bar low offering up low quality service living in the world of "me,me,me" seeing every interaction as a win/lose being jealous and envious of those who have been succesful  and numbing the pain with ... kfc

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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:16pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:07pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 2:42pm: thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying I swear you get dumber with every post. It's as if each day you bounce out of bed and ask yourself, 'how can I outstupid yesterdays comments?' And then you set about doing it. ::) so you think you get rich by complaining gossiping refusing to take 'personal responsibility" taking setting the bar low offering up low quality service living in the world of "me,me,me" seeing every interaction as a win/lose being jealous and envious of those who have been succesful  and numbing the pain with ... kfc https://i.imgflip.com/22ezpk.jpg

trump is not who i am talking about.
his gift is gaining attention in life
not succeeding, unless you define attention as success,


but if you are a quality human being, you are going to get rich , as a by product of your quality

in a market driven economy, if you are not unselfishly putting others needs before your own, people will not do business with you.

as such , the market, forces you to become better .

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:16pm:

so you think you get rich by

Struggling to read English are you? I'll type slower for you.

'Y o u  g e t  d u m b e r  w i t h  e v e r y  p o s t'.

Did that help at all?

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:22pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:16pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:07pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 2:42pm: thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying I swear you get dumber with every post. It's as if each day you bounce out of bed and ask yourself, 'how can I outstupid yesterdays comments?' And then you set about doing it. ::) so you think you get rich by complaining gossiping refusing to take 'personal responsibility" taking setting the bar low offering up low quality service living in the world of "me,me,me" seeing every interaction as a win/lose being jealous and envious of those who have been succesful  and numbing the pain with ... kfc https://i.imgflip.com/22ezpk.jpg 1. trump is not who i am talking about. his gift is gaining attention in life not succeeding, unless you define attention as success, 2. but if you are a quality human being, you are going to get rich , as a by product of your quality in a market driven economy, if you are not unselfishly putting others needs before your own, people will not do business with you. as such , the market, forces you to become better .

Two points on which we both agree.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:16pm: so you think you get rich by Struggling to read English are you? I'll type slower for you. 'Y o u  g e t  d u m b e r  w i t h  e v e r y  p o s t'. Did that help at all?

john,

youre trying to feel better about your self and boost your self esteem by hating on a stranger on the internet

this will not help you

could i suggest you spend that time reading a business book by seth godin or gary v

your mistake falls under the heading of "opportunity cost"

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:42pm:

john, youre trying to feel better about your self and boost your self esteem by hating on a stranger on the internet

More stupidity from you :D :D

Your stupidity has zero bearing on how I feel about myself. Unlike you, I don't need nor seek your approval.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:22pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:16pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:07pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 2:42pm: thats the narrative that losers tell themselves, so they have the excuse of not trying I swear you get dumber with every post. It's as if each day you bounce out of bed and ask yourself, 'how can I outstupid yesterdays comments?' And then you set about doing it. ::) so you think you get rich by complaining gossiping refusing to take 'personal responsibility" taking setting the bar low offering up low quality service living in the world of "me,me,me" seeing every interaction as a win/lose being jealous and envious of those who have been succesful  and numbing the pain with ... kfc https://i.imgflip.com/22ezpk.jpg 1. trump is not who i am talking about. his gift is gaining attention in life not succeeding, unless you define attention as success, 2. but if you are a quality human being, you are going to get rich , as a by product of your quality in a market driven economy, if you are not unselfishly putting others needs before your own, people will not do business with you. as such , the market, forces you to become better . Two points on which we both agree.

trump loves attention more then money

attention is a leading indicator that you know how to mess with peoples minds

money is a leading indicator that other citizens value you

do people value what they attend to?

in some instances, yes they do

from a monetary point of view , we even say you have to PAY attention.

but you can certainly offer value without wanting the limelight

in fact the limelight is probably a burden

as i pointed out to you, the parents of CNN presenter Amderson Cooper are the Van der built family.
one of americas richest.
they hate the limelight

anderson was made to change his name when he went into the media to keep the spotlight off them

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:27pm:

but if you are a quality human being, you are going to get rich , as a by product of your quality

You'd need to define 'rich'.

History and the world are full of high-quality human beings who were/are rich yet who have few assets and little cash to their name.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 3:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 3:42pm: john, youre trying to feel better about your self and boost your self esteem by hating on a stranger on the internet More stupidity from you :D :D Your stupidity has zero bearing on how I feel about myself. Unlike you, I don't need nor seek your approval.

john

you silly billy.

i dont want your approval.

have you heard of pro bono work, done by successful lawyers?

they do it to  try to help losers get back on track

thats how you come accross to me

as a loser who needs a hand up.

by offering you wisdom, i'm all good with the interaction

if you refuse to accept the wisdom, thats on you

now have you read dan kennedys excellent book yet  :)

Dan S. Kennedy is a widely-recognized marketing consultant, advertising copywriter, and public speaker. He has started, built, bought, sold, and derived royalties from the growth of over 100 different businesses, and has delivered over 3,000 compensated engagements in the US and abroad

Better at what?  Grifting?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 5:07pm:

Better at what?  Grifting?

incorrect

grifters might make a modest income but people soon catch on

people who are passionate, deliever good value for money, feel it is their OBLIGATION to deliver good value for money, will get into a virtual endless upward spiral.

if you are the best surgeon, the best mechanic, the best chef, eventually, as the market increasingly understand this, you win

if you try to grift in small business, you will very quickly come undone

grifting is really only possible in government programs

the free market will never tolerate it

I'll start with the headline on the forum page... and use it a bit:-

Why the rich are genetically inferior.

Well - because they are not complete human beings, are generally restricted in their worldview and contacts with the real world, and thus are incapable of making valid decisions, a problem they pass on to their dorks offspring.

That's why things keep getting worse.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 5:01pm:

john you silly billy. i dont want your approval.

That's why you keep coming back trying to explain yourself to me  ;D ;D ;D

Dumb as dog horseshit you are.

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 5:54pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 5:01pm: john you silly billy. i dont want your approval. That's why you keep coming back trying to explain yourself to me  ;D ;D ;D Dumb as dog horseshit you are.

pro bono work john

i do it for my benefit

now have you read the excellent work byjoseph grenney  "crucial conversations "

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 6:04pm:

pro bono work john i do it for my benefit now have you read the excellent work byjoseph grenney  "crucial conversations "

I don't believe giving away the odd $2 bag of horse manure fits the definition of pro bono.

But perhaps that's just me?  :-/

US GDP is at a current level of 28.65T and 1/2 of yanks believe Trump. Aquascoot says they now jump out of bed with a plan and are positive, performing and productive. The Trump-aquascoot partnership for richness is worth ~ 14T.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 1:02pm:

if we wanted to define "better' we would say unselfish put others first always smiling always positive want to share their gifts want to contribute understand you have to give before you recieve rarely complain dont gossip always aiming to give more passionate focused now, if you have the above attributes and you go into business, be it as a tradie or some other small business, what happens? you absolutely thrive in the market people flock to you return customers are virtually gauranteed. you get so many customers , you have to raise your prices to keep the workload manageable and you get rich thereby proving the hypothesis that rich people get rich because they have all the admirable personailty and behavioural characteristics

Quote:

now, if you have the above attributes and you go into business, be it as a tradie or some other small business, what happens? you absolutely thrive in the market people flock to you return customers are virtually gauranteed. you get so many customers , you have to raise your prices to keep the workload manageable and you get rich thereby proving the hypothesis that rich people get rich because they have all the admirable personailty and behavioural characteristics

The truth is about the exact opposite.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 1:02pm:

if we wanted to define "better' we would say unselfish put others first always smiling always positive want to share their gifts want to contribute understand you have to give before you recieve rarely complain dont gossip always aiming to give more passionate focused now, if you have the above attributes and you go into business, be it as a tradie or some other small business, what happens? you absolutely thrive in the market people flock to you return customers are virtually gauranteed. you get so many customers , you have to raise your prices to keep the workload manageable and you get rich thereby proving the hypothesis that rich people get rich because they have all the admirable personailty and behavioural characteristics

Quote:

unselfish put others first always smiling always positive want to share their gifts want to contribute understand you have to give before you recieve rarely complain dont gossip always aiming to give more passionate

The exact opposite attributes to 95% of the most wealthy.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 5:54pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 5:01pm: john you silly billy. i dont want your approval. That's why you keep coming back trying to explain yourself to me  ;D ;D ;D Dumb as dog horseshit you are. pro bono work john i do it for my benefit now have you read the excellent work byjoseph grenney  "crucial conversations "

I see you're still seeking my approval horseboy. Calling it 'pro bono' won't change your behaviour.  :D :D :D

The only 'pro bono' you are interested in is that in which you can tell yourself how much better then others you are. That's because deep down, you're afraid that if you were being really honest, you would have to acknowledge just what a waste of effort you really are. And you just can't face that truth.

Carl D wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 6:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:04pm: pro bono work john i do it for my benefit now have you read the excellent work byjoseph grenney  "crucial conversations " I don't believe giving away the odd $2 bag of horse manure fits the definition of pro bono. But perhaps that's just me?  :-/

he bounces out of bed to bag it too. ;D ;D ;D

Meh...

John Smith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 7:07am:

Carl D wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:04pm: pro bono work john i do it for my benefit now have you read the excellent work byjoseph grenney  "crucial conversations " I don't believe giving away the odd $2 bag of horse manure fits the definition of pro bono. But perhaps that's just me?  :-/ he bounces out of bed to bag it too. ;D ;D ;D

I've long suspected Horseboy masturbates to his own posts. I consider my suspicion confirmed.

mothra wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 7:25am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 7:07am: Carl D wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:10pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 23rd, 2024 at 6:04pm: pro bono work john i do it for my benefit now have you read the excellent work byjoseph grenney  "crucial conversations " I don't believe giving away the odd $2 bag of horse manure fits the definition of pro bono. But perhaps that's just me?  :-/ he bounces out of bed to bag it too. ;D ;D ;D I've long suspected Horseboy masturbates to his own posts. I consider my suspicion confirmed.

Mothra,
why do you need to put a sexual slant on everything?

Not that .....

mothra wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 7:25am:

I've long suspected Horseboy masturbates to his own posts. I consider my suspicion confirmed.

Masturbates, eh!

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 8:02am:

Mothra, why do you need to put a sexual slant on everything? Not that .....

...there is a problem with doing that.

If you make it personal, your opponent will be more likely to respond.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 24^th, 2024 at 8:07am:

mothra wrote on Sep 24th, 2024 at 7:25am: I've long suspected Horseboy masturbates to his own posts. I consider my suspicion confirmed. Masturbates, eh!

Masturbates, "hay".

Aside from some niches like medicine and social work, nobody gets rich by being nice to other people.

Your theory is simply bizarre.

Even the reverse order (rich people are kinder BECAUSE they have more comfortable lives) isn't really true. They have greater tunover of wives for instance. Why would a woman divorce them, when the woman can be rich either way? Perhaps because they're not particularly "good" after all?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2024 at 8:22pm:

<snip OP> Quote: unselfish put others first always smiling always positive want to share their gifts want to contribute understand you have to give before you recieve rarely complain dont gossip always aiming to give more passionate The exact opposite attributes to 95% of the most wealthy.

The rich are more charitable (particularly to their relatives) but it's a dollar measurement. As percentage of their wealth, they're ordinary.

And "have to give before you can receive" may apply to Bill Gates (though even he was a privileged child) but it definitely does not apply to Elon Musk or Donald Trump.

The balancing gap between rich and poor is such that if you wanted to see the difference between the socioecononic divide, it all comes down to which celebrity has the better sense of humour.

I love watching the "Logies", as it shows how good the Australian sense of humour is, compared to the world. We Australians are a battle-hardened bunch of "former colonials".