Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:05pm
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General Discussion >> Aboriginal Affairs >> Lowering the age of crim responsibility http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1728677423 Message started by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 12th, 2024 at 6:10am |
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Title: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 12th, 2024 at 6:10am
... who will it affect? What other possible solutions are there? Will it affect any one group more than others - and if so - WHY? Which group(s)? It takes an entire village to raise a criminal......................... that needs exploring in this context ....
This'll give their ulcers a prime for Saturday ........ heeeey - all I did was ask a few pertinent questions and post a link... no need to get all snippety again and ruin your mental health .... paranoia ... pure and simple.... haters under the beds.... watch out for those!!! They'll get you!! https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/national-children-s-commissioner-requests-meeting-with-chief-minister-before-nt-government-lowers-criminal-age/vi-AA1s3iII?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=34b7e662016b454bc606859eb86d9a25&ei=7#details |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 12th, 2024 at 7:40am
Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again. I don't see why I should have had to be subjected to such bullshit harassment from racist blow-ins, just because of my Caucasian heritage. Let the justice system sort out the spoiled little rebels.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 13th, 2024 at 12:12am
No matter what happens as a result - and remember this is for serious crimes like stealing and wrecking cars, using them as weapons against police, breaking into houses and stores and such and serious violent crimes - it will not address the basic issue that these 10 yo kids are raised in an environment where their village raises them to be anti-social, due to neglect, indolence, and their observing a lack of moral fibre amongst their elders and parents.
Monkey see - monkey do.... when a kid sees the 'responsible adult' lazing in a stupor and carrying on without moral controls - why would that kid figure that going to that school was a good idea - especially when all his peers would pick on him/her for doing so? What improved horizons does a kid Out There see from education and such? Just a waste of time in the kid's eyes when they see no benefit from it and the lifestyle seems easy and indolent. Children are adaptable and will tolerate neglect and abuse and most of them will learn from that to become the same. It takes an entire village to raise a criminal little arschlock. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:53am
Okay, I will have to play the role of police prosecutor, for the purpose of this topic here. Essentially, if you are 10 years old and you are willing enough to smoke pot or drink booze, you are old enough to face the consequences of your actions. And if you are willing to break into cars, drive them around recklessly, and then run down people on the highway, I doubt that being 12 years old would warrant you any real clemency.
Any justice of the peace would simply say that the child is more than a product of their social environment. Any magistrate could just determine that the child has to do the rest of their days in prison, without possibility of parole. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am
Idiots.
Locking kids up leads to recidivism. Almost exclusively. It leads to long term interaction with law enforcement. We know this. This is not revolutionary information. It's not "woke". It's not culturally Marxist. It's simply the facts as we know them. We also know that black kids are locked up (and zip tied) for crime white kids do every single day and barely register a reaction. But until we break through the kind of absolute prejudice still infesting our society, so evident on this forum, we are going to get absolutely nowhere. And i know you're all idiots, but the people actually designing this aren't ... although you share a common goal. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am
mothra,
If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
Get bent, Rocky. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:46am mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am:
I was. That is the reason why I don't subscribe to the pusillanimous ideals of the "woke brigade". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Dnarever on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am Quote:
I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children. A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Dnarever on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:04am UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:46am:
You know that woke doesn't really mean anything the authoritarian right do not like. The Green M&M isn't really woke - right ? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem. A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest. it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 13th, 2024 at 11:25am mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
depends if they are put in custody and mentored by role models of positive masculinity (say they get to play football against off duty police or they get to learn to box at a pcyc or they are indentured to a noble cattleman and taught stockman skills) then this is good community outreach and mentoring if they are left where they are with bad parents, this is a dark stain on our society if they are tortured by having to deal with hand wringing self important social workers and other welfare grifters, this is an absolute catastrophe |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 13th, 2024 at 12:35pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 11:25am:
Good points, so far. Quote:
Indeed it is. And your solution for eradicating bad parental role models? (other than locking them up...). See...not so simple. Quote:
Indeed it is....so how do you plan to eradicate the institutional welfare dependency which exists in the poverty ghettos? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 13th, 2024 at 1:27pm
institutional welfare dependancy?
it should have been pulled out by its tap root before it was ever allowed to blossom. and who benefits from institutional welfare dependancy? the middle management civil servants and grifters who are, in essence, dependant on ever increasing "herds" of welfare recipients to advance their careers and pay their own mortgage. the solution will have to come from the people who understand that we were put on this earth to contribute and to create and to eradicate suffering (not to take, and suck on the titty of an authority figure) and not to use the suffering of others as an opportunity to virtue signal. in practical terms , this means that the same sort of people who volunteer for the rural fire brigade or for clean up australia or for the surf life savers or for mens sheds or for pony clubs , need to move into areas of poverty and provide real help. play sport with kids teach them to work on cars or fix mowers teach them to put up fences and grow food community gardens teach them emotional control in the boxing ring take them to the gym, take them fishing get them interested in little on line marketing ventures lend them 1000 bucks to start a small business inspire and encourage by putting your awesome positive attitude on display. i was talking to a mum of a kid with fairly severe autism and a big NDIS package (about 150,000 pa). all he could access was speech therapists and occupational therapists ON LINE (as they refused to drive to the country) and they were billing NDIS 300 an hour for doing what exactly over a skype call? mum said it was total BS mum is going to bring the kid to the local pony club where he can get some real help, for free, from noble conservatives the virtue signalling grifters have failed this child and 10's of 1000's like him, because they would never get off their fat asses and actually do something constructive :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:28pm mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am:
Well - I guess that puts HIS little red wagon in the repair shop!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:35pm mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am:
Leaving the little rascals in their own communities leads to recidivism starting at the earliest possible age. What say ye to that? Yardle, yardle, yardle - it's all about 'prejudice' - no lie about it - them kids are FORCED by 'prejudice' to go and steal cars and break into homes. It's got nothing to do with the actions and inactions of their 'parents' and 'elders' - nothing to do with the way they are raised... nothing to do with what they see as 'normal' within their own community and social group. It's the 'prejudice' that drives them to crime and prison...... I'd be happy to hold a prejudice against some little plick who stole my car and smashed it into a wall or a police car and killed several people doing it. Jeez - I'm a bit touchy! I'm prepared to hold prejudice against the arschlock who beat up the ex's daughter (dead man walking), and also against the arschlock who called me a white count (promoted from simple lord) ... far chem both!! Do you have a single idea of any single REAL issue outside of your emotional mumbo-jumbo? It takes an entire village/community to raise a young criminal asshole. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:57pm
No surprise crappler is all for locking up 10 yr olds ::) ::) ::)
what a hero he is |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 4:38pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:28pm:
Whenever mothra goes to get her engine light checked out, she goes cross-eyed for 20 minutes; forgets why she got into her car in the first place; and then 2-wheel reverse parks her car onto some shopping centre bollard. Afterwards, she eats at some sushi store, and awaits a phone call from local police. That way, she knows that people will think that her car was stolen by car thieves. And the community will rally to her aid and have her car towed to the nearest autorepair store for some charitable engine rebuild. Afterwards, all she has to do is an "Acknowledgement of Country" at school assemblies. She thinks that no one are the wiser about her scams. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Valkie on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:11pm
Criminals are criminals.
I'm for the three strikes rule. 2 chances, then life behind bars, or better, elimination from the human race. Why should honest, law abiding people be subject to criminals and parasites. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:15pm John Smith wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:57pm:
Clearly your ability to read and interpret what is written is as bad as your ability to discover a solid retort. Now then Poppets - this is what Fanatics do - they can't even discuss a real issue, let alone understnad it, but must always try to make it personal. We've got three or four of those here.... all racists, segregationists, apartheidists, genocidists, Judeophobes and Wharteyophobes. I challenge them all to go out and live the sacred lifestyle for a month.... Survivor - Aboriginal Diet and Lifestyle .... in tonight's episode we see one contender thrown off for bringing in a bottle of vitamin pills....... and how Mothsmith handles living in a humpy by a mosquito riddled creek .... will Skanker survive a diet of roast roo and snake oil when the fire dies out accidentally ...... how will they cope with another group contending for the creek and food supply ............... tune in tonight on Survivor - Abo Lifestyle .... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:43pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
Yes: https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false. Quote:
By whom? Government admionsters the 'welfare' system aka the poverty industry - full of grifters (as you say) of all kinds including in the bureaucracy. Quote:
No-one, neither the government who must fund the 'correctional' services, and poor health outcomes, nor the receivers of welfare themselves who adapt to subsistence poverty level existance. Quote:
Exactly, as noted above......occasionally you get it right! Quote:
Now you are back to the usual - getting it wrong: "One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. People want to contribute, but if flat-earth economists say inflation needs to be controlled by unemployment....we have a problem. Quote:
...waits for the argument with bated breath... Quote:
Ah - volunteers must 'save the economy', while Bullock is trying to increase unemployment among working people (as noted in the link). Quote:
Ah - private sector volunteers to save the economy, presumably wealthy enough to donate their time and money...got it. Rolls off the tongue so easily; but who looks after the kids when the fishing outings cease, and the business venture fails (as most small businesses do)? Quote:
NDIS should be government run, with employees of the NDIS delivering services as required, not delivered by private operators gaming the system. Quote:
She should have done that already, she didn't need the NDIS. Quote:
Your errors exposed above: the dysfunctional macroeconomy - beyond the reach of individuals who must earn a living - is as much a problem as poor attitudes of some individuals. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:47pm
Okay thegreatdivide....
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:59pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 4:38pm:
A mostly ad hominem, nonsense narrative (unlike aquascoot's reply to mothra) You lose.... now back to sensible community intervention to solve the problem; aqua thinks volunteers will help... a worthwhile concept (but flawed as I explained). graps ofcourse is his usual nasty self: lock'em up, bugger dealing with the causes of bad behaviour. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:04pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
I'm more interested in aquacoot's ideas; you and graps are useless 'personal responsibility' ideologues. Personal responsibility doesn't solve systemic macroeconomic dysfunction, nor the consequences of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:15pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:04pm:
Grapps and I are speaking ill of the continued borrowed time that certain indigenous people like to make, at the expense of the general taxpayer. When the year 2028 comes around, please make sure that you have had your attitude adjusted to reflect modern times. 36 years after the "Mabo Decision", should be ample time for anyone who is indigenous Australian to get their lives in reasonable, law-abiding, healthy order. Social problems arising from the "Stolen Generation" allegations would have died out by the year 2010. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:24pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
Here is an idea: Put the crack pipe down; go outside; get some fresh air; clear your mind of any woke, counter-intuitive ideals; then come back inside and write a reasoned response to my sardonic rants. And if I was wrong about assuming that you are taking some kind of illicit "medication", perhaps you should consult a psychiatrist about what it is that is wrong with your mindset. I have lived rough for the last 24 of my 45 years. The fact that I have it relatively easy by comparison to some other people, is something that I dedicate to myself being rather perceptive. However, I did not take into account the last 3 months of my life being a new learning experience for me. Your casual superiority complex smugness is so obvious to me and the rest of the Australian community that I would not have a problem if your own sobriety attempt would end up leaving you in your "own personal hell". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:02am
Funny thing is - I never said anything about just locking them up.... I've covered many things in this discussion but not that .... so it is clear that the Undertow here doesn't even read what is written, let alone understand it.
So far that's Smith and Methra - and we all know dividie is off with the fairies all the time... nobody really bothers with his meanderings.... give 'em all a job... make 'em work ;D ;D ;D ... modern monetary theory... good thing it's just another theory ... Just a pack of haters.... laughable ... the 'dark stain on our nation' is more like a dark train at the station waiting to go somewhere real ..... the dark stain is on the parents and Elders who raise these villages full of young criminals...... the fanatics wouldn't know the difference...... but they'll learn when it all comes tumbling down.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:28am
it takes a village to raise a child
and if a child doesnt feel the warmth of the love of the other villagers that child will burn down the village to feel that warmth being successful in business allows you the joy of mentoring the next wave of business people if you are a chode, you despise the next wave of successful people and you will not help them and we have very few people who want to experience the joy of mentoring the next generation. people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen and older men who should be mentoring and assisting tend to be driving around in big caravans with "spending the kids inheritance" emblazened on the side. a big F you to that 15 yo or they tend to be chattering away for 8 years about trump. society does not care about 15 yo wayward boys. they expect the government to step in and fix it when i say that aboriginal youth have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 parameters since the closing the gap iniative, anyone who was not a liar ( you know, like trump) would say this is a widening the gap iniative. can we expect action? no the vested interests wont act and the society is just used to taking and getting and being entitled. until the community takes personal responsibility, there will be no progress |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:14pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
At last.... Quote:
See my reply to aquascoot, who I am obliged to reply to now... Quote:
And you remain woefully ignorant about the causes of macro economic disadvantage, and the related bad behaviours exhibited by individuals living in poverty-ghettos and dysfunctional families. Quote:
My contempt for your 'personal responsibility' mantra is extreme, indeed. Poverty in rich countries is a choice of systemic political dysfunction, caused by obsolete flat earth neoclassical economics; there is no shortage of essential resources in the modern world. Quote:
See - back to your failed attempt to 'understand' systemic socio-economic disadvantage, on the basis of your own experiences (and failures). Delorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:53pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:28am:
What's your idea of an Aboriginal lifestyle Boot Camp for deluded lefties? It actually hurts my gentle soul to use terms like lefties for The Enemy... being as, like most honest and thinking folk, I have foot in both 'left' and 'right' camps. The thing is that these days the child is socialised to burn down the village.... there's the difference between our thinking ... their 'teenage rebel' period now extends down to about age eight.... and up in some cases to age eighty..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:28am:
Correct, but your conception of "the village" is obsolete; in today's global economies and supply chains, good government is vital to ensure well-functionig local economies in which the village can successfully raise the child. This is wny you fall into Unsub's error, as I noted in my reply to him: My contempt for your 'personal responsibility' mantra is extreme, indeed. Poverty in rich countries is a choice of systemic political dysfunction, caused by obsolete flat earth neoclassical economics; there is no shortage of essential resources in the modern world. Quote:
Your error: most small bunsiness fail.... Quote:
Nonsense, most parents are dedicated to the 'joy of raising the next generation; but macroeconomic dysfunction destroys the endevours of many eg the current cost of living crisis , and parents forced to raise their kids in cars (if they can hold it together enough to do that...) Quote:
You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention actually are. Obviously, social workers will be needed (unfortunately) to play a part in fixing dysfunctional families caused by systemic socio economic disadvatage; the current problem with 'woke' social workers is they operating in the disastrous politically entrenched 'welfare' system, which is really a poverty industry, not a true welfare system based on universal abovepoverty participation in the economy (full employment)....don't tell mainstream fools like Bullock who believe in the voodoo of NAIRU, she will have a heart attack. Quote:
Retired men who haved worked their entire lives, to experience some freedom in their retirement, not necessarily mentoring wayward kids from broken families. Quote:
Government is required to implement 'the common welfare', and to eradicate socio economic disadvantage, naturally self-interested individuals can't do it alone (in "the village"). Quote:
And I have explained why: first step, sack Bullock and her merry band of obsolete 'scarcity' voodoo practioners of the 'dismal science'. Quote:
while some are laughing all the way to the bank, and others are sleeping in the doorways of CBD buildings, and housing starts are going backwards (because housing is too expensive - the ultimate example of free market failure...) Quote:
Your error: the community's responsibility is manifested by government on behalf of the common welfare, and is is separate from personal responsibility of self-interested individuals seeking their own welfare in invisible hand markets. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 14th, 2024 at 2:18pm
hi there great divide
the parable says "it takes a village to raise a child" it doesnt say "it takes a buereacracy to raise a child" :) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:05pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
Hmmm, what did Mothra say? mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy. I won;t hold my breath. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:09pm mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am:
Not locking them up(judicial revolving door) also leads to recidivism. Yours & the so called academic experts theories have failed. We are reaping what has been sown over the past 3 decades and your to stupid to see it. I know who the idiot is & you win in spades.(excuse the pun ;D) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:12pm Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:09pm:
*you're *too |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
so you agree we need to get the government out and get private citizens in ? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong? That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong? That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong? You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has become. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:16pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
I don;t think even you know what "get the government out" means but nonetheless, it's a pretty stupid thing to say. And where are all of these altruistic community leaders, Horseboy? What's stopping them? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:20pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
And unlike your repetitive cockwombling driveling diatribe. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:23pm Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
:D :D you should learn what that strange word 'consequences' means before totally embarrassing yourself like that |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:25pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
That didn't change a thing ... you understood it & correcting the spelling was much like you& your ideals ... an irrelevancy. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm John Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:23pm:
It doesn't need an "s" in the context it was written phukknuckle. You should take some remedial English Guido. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
Says the guy that just typed "your to stupid", hilariously. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:34pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Still no cigar - you irrelevance. Being a spelling nazi is on a par for your overall demeanor. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:37pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:16pm:
an example of altruistic community leaders are those who (used to) run the riding for the disabled. all free, no government input, no cost to taxpayers, the boys from john oxley juvenille detention used to attend as well, so that relevant now, with the NDIS, the scheme is fairly moribund we now have a plethora of grifters who buy a couple of off the track thoroughbreds (totally inappropriate) and then charge other grifters (the NDIS service providers) $300 an hour for disabled kids to come and pat a horse. no riding of course. these people wouldnt even know how to put a saddle on. so the altruistic community builders are sidelined by a government scheme / scam please let me know if you want more examples of your own stupid ideological position screwing up altruistic contributors ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:38pm Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
But you doing it to John in the very next post is perfectly fine. Tell me Gonads, are you capable of communicating without abuse? Are you a particularly lonely man? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:46pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:16pm:
PRECISELY the point - where are all the altruistic community leaders and parents? What's stopping them? Well - the White 'community leaders' are not permitted to be involved - Apartheid, innit ... the Aboriginal community 'elders' just want to talk and do nothing ..... the parents - if they can be found - just want to wash their hands of their offspring. As usual, Moths - your half-baked and half-thought ideas are cock-eyed. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:48pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:46pm:
You just rave horseshit. It's all you do. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:48pm
It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....
No problem - just reality. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:49pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
gonads always has two rules ... he's speccciiialllll :D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:49pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Are you? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:52pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Oh btw - Miss Prissy Pants tell Smith that the word "consequence" didn't require an "s" in the context it was used was not being a spelling nazi. It was about the use of the word. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:53pm John Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:49pm:
Not a special as thee ey? ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:54pm Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:49pm:
No Gonads. I am not a lonely man. I'm not even a lonely woman. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:07pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:48pm:
didnt you just say and i quote Tell me Gonads, are you capable of communicating without abuse? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:11pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Unlike you, Gonads and Crappler, Horseboy, i'm so much more than a one trick pony. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:45pm mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:11pm:
That's what they all say. How much do you charge a trick? Ideology trick, of course, I wouldn't stoop that low ... how much does it cost for your support to be bought? OH! I'M so much more than a one trick pony!! How twee.... can you ever once hold an adult discussion on facts? And Smith IS the #2 Village Idiot whose only response is abuse.... putting the bite on him is a public service and a service to the forum. He only remains here for his comedy value.... same as you. Never seen such a prissy pontificating jackass with not one valid argument for anything as you. You defended Leftie! That really indicates you need help...... tick, tock ... tick, tock ... how's it all going? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:05am Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:53pm:
i guess you're used to second place after a lifetime of it ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:11am
.. and there you have it, good people of Ozpol - a perfect Smith rendering of a crying issue .... straight to the point of nowhere and nothing ...a little sledging on the front porch never hurt nobody...
Now which one is next out of the sock drawer? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:53am mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:54pm:
Ahhh ... one of the 72 genders ey? ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:55am mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 6:11pm:
I'd say you'd have to be - how else would you make a living? ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:58am John Smith wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:05am:
If you say so. That's a tad better than you - being a recipient of participation awards all your life. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:22am
Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.
But woe betide the state that seeks early intervention into the little darlings' lives to prevent them becoming revolving door criminals later - that's not a civilised society's right! That's Invasion, that is!!! Stolen Generations.... you might upset the social workers ...... aqua got that lot right - drawn from the most dissatisfied segment of society and scrambling for reality ... reminds me of my first book and critique of DVA psychs - not one of them lived in the real world. Oh, well - guess they'll just have to languish in prisons for most of their future lives then. Why should we care? Let alone spend billions trying to save their ungrateful little arses.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:35pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:22am:
unlike you, my missus can handle a ten year old... scary as they might appear to be to you :D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:36pm Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:58am:
no, I didn't spend a lifetime sponging of taxpayers like you did |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:59pm Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:20pm:
Understanding causes is only repetitive if you are blinded by simplistic nonsense re 'personal responsibilty'. Try tackling the causes of entrenched socio economc disadvantage, and the interventions the community needs to make, to fix the problem. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:07pm
dividie, too - same old, same old. Never offers anything valid - just 'look at entrenched disadvantage'.
To what purpose? Nothing any of us say or do will force them Aborigines to get out of the sump-hole of empty spaces all around and total lack of jobs and correct their 'disadvantage' - they won't even go to school to try to correct their own disadvantage, and many refer instead to take the easy way and do little and turn to crime too often. Part of the complaint was that there is no room in the prison system..... well - das konzentrationslageren might work... and may I remind you - the discussion was of intervention for the younger blighters - not instant incarceration, but programs to help them understand how to ..... gasps ... get out of their disadvantage and their criminal progress... Criminal's Progress ... sounds like a book. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:07pm John Smith wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
Nah - he spent a lifetime sponging off the government by working ... hard that is. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:12pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:48pm:
Wrong as usual. The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with. And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:21pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:12pm:
Absolutely correct. so you are saying that our Aborigines need to be treated as children - paternalised. Well - I'll challenge you to go out there and sell that line to them... they may behave like wayward children, but that doesn't mean you can call them that.... Back to Slow Horses:- "Please do something about bringing your losers under some form of control, Lamb!" (offended) "They don't like being called 'losers!" "Well - what do YOU call them?" "Losers. It upsets them." |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:31pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:22am:
No he's not, none of us are. The question is: how do we address the causes of crime (poor family role models, entrenched socio-economic disadvanatge) rather than just reacting to the crime itself. Quote:
Lowering (or raising) the age of criminal responsibilty is a side -issue which won't fix the problem; though mothra correctly noted young brains don't fully comprehend consequences (and probably different ages for different people). The problem - to repeat - is the 'state' currently supports welfare dependency as a matter of economic necessity. And the NT Police Commissioner - at the coal face - has told us his thoughts on the disaster of welfare dependency. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:12pm:
its not economic its that people in the village would rather watch netflix and porn or they would rather post crap on forums then volunteer to spend time with youth pure unadulterated selfishness and me,me,me |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:43pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
Talk about missing the point! When an entire culture breeds and raises a generation of young criminal arseholes, clearly these are not 'aberrations' - they are the new norm for that culture. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:56pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:46pm:
For the people who are free to donate their time, nothing; eg, there are groups run by community-minded people - white or black - managing camps for wayward youth. But such individual endevours cannot reach the full extent of the problem. Quote:
Says graps who thinks personal responsibilty is the fix - or go to jail. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:01pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:07pm:
hardly working more like it :D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:12pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:21pm:
Thanks, so let's educate pollies re the egregious effects of neoliberal economc orthodoxy, including funding the poverty industry aka "welfare"... Quote:
No, I'm saying everyone should be to be treated as a person who needs to actively particpate in the economy. Quote:
Wrong premise, as explained above; they (and all of us) must actively participate in the nation's economy, in order to prosper. The neoclassical economists running the show, supporting welfare dependency as a 'safety net' are the real criminals. Quote:
The NAIRU dogma of mainstream economists itself is responsible for creating "losers". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:27pm aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
Can you address the items I listed? Obvously welfare dependency IS "economic"... And its relation to criminality must be examimed (as noted by the NT Police Commissioner). Quote:
Only people who are forced to subsist on welfare would "rather" spend their time watching porn and netflix; people with a job are more interested in the prosperity a job brings. Re "force": do you know what the NAIRU is, and how economists are informed by it? Quote:
We are all marked by that to some degree or other. Even Bezos refused to air-condition warehouses for his workers, despite being wealthier than any of the botton third of the world's nations. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:43pm
Start with 'addicted to welfare' - to the cargo cult Outback Style..... and unwilling to accept the opportunities made more than available to them, but preferring instead to adhere to their outworn lifestyle of waiting until supper drops in and living hand to mouth. Learned behaviour... generational learned behaviour .... and all justified and aided and abetted by foolish social science clowns.
Ooooh - professor so-and-so expressed concerns over lowering the age of criminal responsibility - so does Joe Bloggs - so why are they paying a 'professor' to mention it? I once had a 'kingdom' for teaching purposes - part of it was The Learned Professor of BOSHT (the Bleedingly Obvious Stated in High-sounding Terms) without whose 'learned' views no government could get off its arse and act.... oh, dearie me.... one such said that burn-offs didn't help bushfire management in a crisis but managted to choke countless people and cause deaths - we of the land had been saying that for ages - then when 2019 blew up - we were proven right.... Abo or otherwise burn-offs would achieve nothing in a firestorm. As Price, Mundine and Wilkie said - LISTEN TO THE GRASSROOTS! and not just one Far Ken side all the time... the side that can't even raise their kids to not be criminals. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:57pm John Smith wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:35pm:
And I'd say you wouldn't know shyte from clay about handling 10 yr old capable of committing serious or heinous criminal offences. Let alone your missus. We're not talking about your own 10 yr old. Teachers & social workers can't handle them - what makes you think your wife could? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:59pm John Smith wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
Yeah now how did I do that? ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:05pm Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:57pm:
To scream at the impossible dream ...... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:05pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
They(the ALP) actually raised the age from 10 to 14 in the NT ... that was just smoke and mirrors to hide stats and keep the little darlings out of the system. That failed too .... juvenile crime rates rose even higher. The NT people resoundingly kicked the Labor Govt to the kerb .... and the CLP are going to put the age back to 10 where it had been for a long time. Consequences for actions. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Dnarever on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:18pm
The concern here is the certainty of any such legislation being misused against genuine normal children in the types of cases that should not attract such extreme attention. It is the old story of letting the genie out of the bottle.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:37pm
When you're up to your armpits in housebreakers, it's difficult to remember that you initial aim was to drain the billabong.....
Drain The Billabongs!! So what do you suggest? Put 'em all through a re-education facility until they've got their kinds rights and only then let them out into the community? Why not just enforce schooling and proper tutoring and mentoring by genuine elders and family members? Some manage it very well - that bloke who had young kids coming out to his property to handle stock and stuff had results - he's an Aboriginal bloke... Sailor up the road from my original property ran a camp for city kids to come out and take a break and get some real mentoring and knowledge of the bush etc. He was an Aboriginal too and the camp was for city Aboriginal kids.... It can be done with the will.... you don't need a lot of money - more elbow grease ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:57pm:
yes gonds, I understand that 10yr olds scare you. it's Ok. :D :D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 16th, 2024 at 11:41am John Smith wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am:
Answer the question Shyteforbrains ... just how is your missus going to handle seasoned criminal minded & violent 10 yr olds? I'd like to see you surrounded by a group of them, especially if the little darlings were armed. They'd stick you like a pig. Oink oink. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:15pm
Shaddup, Smith - the adults are trying to discuss a real issue.
Now that it is clear to the Hate Group that I am neutral here ... any of you backward students got any real views - or would you prefer to continue sledging? I mean - if we can see some form of (gags) consensus here - maybe we could offer to the NT government a very patronising 'third way' or something... Remember the Gautama - "If the zip tie is too loose, it will not constrain ... if it is too tight, it will cause gangrene." |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:16pm Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
negative gearing and FBT concessions ... just to name a few |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Bobby. on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:31pm Only the British knew how to enforce law and order: the cat of 9 tails, the stocks, the rope. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:10pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:43pm:
Wrong as usual - as to be expected from your 'personal responsibility will fix it' ideology with zero understanding of the macroeconomic causes of welfare dependency. Quote:
Your error: behaviour learned by systemic exclusion from the economy; but your 2nd observation is correct: social scientists don't understand macroeconomics either (and neither do you), so they are fiddling around trying to define the age of responsibility, instead of ensuring everyone - especially parents (role models) - have access to jobs. Quote:
Good question - explained above. Quote:
?? The social science professors despised by you are mostly "raising their kids to not be criminals". It's those locked in welfare - and poor role models - who have the problem. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:59pm
Although I am not an accredited psychologist, I can say with some authority that "thegreatdivide" is a genuine egomaniacal psychopath. The fact that he/she/it tries to hide behind a "woke personality" is evident of my accusation.
I am about ready to see "thegreatdivide" being banned from OzPol. Go to PoliticalAnimal and have Jasin babysit you. He is a lot smarter than you. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:00pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:31pm:
Are you suggesting we start using the rope on Indigenous children? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Bobby. on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:03pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
I'm suggesting we examine how the British maintained law and order back in the times of 1840 and implement their successful policies. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:06pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:53pm:
I have spoken to genuine First Nation members. They agree that the right to claim indigenous status is based on whether the applicant is willing to live at least a month "on country". That is the "Aboriginal lifestyle Boot Camp". None of this "Look at me. I have an aboriginal flag that I use at rallies" bs. They are just rabble rousers. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:08pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
They did that back in the 1930s. Then the beatniks came to power. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:19pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
murder thousands of inhabitants of a foreign land and send them there? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:51pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
That's a very specific date range. Did you want to perhaps clarify what you mean by that so it doesn't get misinterpreted? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:54pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:06pm:
Ah! Our Aboriginal brethren have the same sort of ideas. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:55pm John Smith wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:19pm:
How did you fooken Eye-ties do in Ethiopia and a few other places? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:56pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:31pm:
Rum, buggary and the lash!! |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Bobby. on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:17pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
The British had law and order. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:31pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:17pm:
String 'em up on the yard-arm and let 'em kick and swivel... but keel -haul 'em first!!! |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Bobby. on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:41pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
First offence - put them in the stocks and let the public throw rotten tomatoes at them for one day. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:49pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
Yes - some of those older style punishments worked - most never repeated offences after a winter dunking or a cold weekend in the stocks... many a politician and appointed lackey would benefit from a course of that treatment during a Canberra winter. Give an old woman a cabbage and she eats for a day - give her a cabbage to throw at a miscreant and the pleasure goes on and on ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 16th, 2024 at 5:22pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:54pm:
Actual First Nations members are indigenous Australian community leaders who work full-time jobs and try and keep the younger generation in line. Some work in emergency services. Some work in the hospital and diversionary system. Some are teachers. A few are actual lecturers. Many are sports coaches. Other indigenous people can identify as whatever. It makes my head spin. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 16th, 2024 at 6:26pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 5:22pm:
Wouldn't make your head spin if those Aboriginal ideas on acceptance and rite of passage were mandated by the stupid government instead of sucking their nuts all the time. Sounds like a great idea to me - welcome to the University of Aboriginality - a.k.a. Survivor - Aboriginal Lifestyle.... or..... Suspicious Assholes Sorted with 'Ant' Eater. Who will pass the test? Who cares who wins......? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 16th, 2024 at 8:16pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Bobby? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 17th, 2024 at 9:00am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:55pm:
does that discount what the poms did? :D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:15am John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 9:00am:
Lots of retaliation from settlers to murders and such? Hardly massacres of innocents... different times - different strokes. Evil Intervention? They're still killing one another at an astronomical rate compared to ALL others in this country, and still neglecting and abusing, fighting ancient feuds like some mad Arab, and pretending to be fearless warriors and other gangstah rubbish, while waging a brushfire war against the civilisation that cradles them. If their communities will raise ten year olds to not commit serious crimes - the ten year olds won't be suffering from an age of responsibility of ten, will they? What is wrong with you people and your unthinking? Are your kids allowed to go out all night, steal cars, break into homes, home invade, carry weapons and use them for robberies etc, Smith? Did you raise them to think that such behaviour was the right thing to do? Own up, now. Or stop being so stupid. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:35am UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 5:22pm:
But they too are up against a neoliberal economic system which is now pricing ordinary Australians out of affordable housing. The egregious social consequences of that decades-long in-the-making neoliberal market failure reinforce entrenched socio-economic disadvantage, despite the efforts of well-meaning poverty-industry workers. Data reveals small number of property investors control big chunk of Australian rentals "Mr Jericho said the data highlighted how many of the benefits of negative gearing and the capital gains discount went to the largest investors. They are actually getting a much better average benefit from negative gearing than your more traditional mum-and-dad investors," Dr Jericho said. "The system we have at the moment … it's really kind of geared towards assisting people who are able to borrow against [the] equity of one property to buy another property, and then to borrow against that and buy another property." See what happens whn you ignore macro economic failure, and blame 'lack of personal responsibility' for criminal behaviour. Lock'en up....at least they'll get 3 square meals a day and managed accommodation. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:39am
More up against their own unwillingness and inability to work out their own best way forward.
The great falsehood of that 'using equity to borrow for equity' is that it is based almost exclusively on PROJECTED equity. You simply cannot develop 'equity' in a property in two weeks... and use that to go buy another one. It's the madness of the banks and is the root cause of most problems today, including inflation and poverty rise and homelessness - and is inevitably a doomed approach to banking.... but along the way some are reaping mighty benefits from the suffering of the many. Cue dividie now to tell us that nobody has known that all along but his excellent self with all his robotic theory. I diagnose autism and a need for acceptance and 'respect' which has never been forthcoming in his life to date.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:08pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
I'm exposing the sickness at the heart of your blind 'personal responsibility' ideology. aka "the human condition": the psychosis resulting from a conflict between the conscioius rational brain (cortex) and the unconscious survival brain (reptilian and mammalian). Predator animals unconsciously mark their territory as part of instinct-driven survival behaviour; humans are turned into desperately hate-filled genodical maniacs by the same instincts , all the while knowng the slaughter of children is "wrong"... yet still humans demand a veto over rule of law: "freedom" is more important than the life of a child. Psychosis, the human condition. Now, what "authority" do you bring to your claims re my "woke personality" hiding a "psychopathic egomania"? A classic case of the human condition; the pot calling the kettle black....and the slaughter of children continues unabated. You have no insight into the human condition - that's what psychosis is. Quote:
Fantasies of banning people who confront you with your own sickness....a Goebbel's speciality. Jasin is suffering the same psychosis as all of us. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:29pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:39am:
More? Yet the birthrate of white Australians who seek prosperity is falling because the cost of housing is incompatible with having more children. Prosperity is not a consideration in poverty ghettos, which is why birth rates - and crime - remain high amongst black welfare recipients. Quote:
You can with negative gearing and capita gains tax policies in place for decades (though housing is now too expensive for new entrants ) - the neoliberal experiment to change home ownership from the public to the private sector. Result: unaffordable housing, falling ownership rates, and extemely wealthy multi-property-owning landlords Quote:
You identified the wrong cause as usual: banks were and are merely operating in the neoliberal system designed to offload public housing, for ideological reasons (Thatcher's "other peoples' money" BS). Quote:
There's a difference between agreeing about the sickness, and understanding its causes, as noted above. Quote:
Haha - you and Unsub....trying a bit of 'diagnosis' while being insightless, ideologically crippled, and not open to examination of causes. Causing the classic ideological divide (and confusion over 'the enemy within' - a big topic in the US elections: is it Harris or Trump who is a "threat to democracy"?). Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:35pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:15am:
if that helps you sleep better, you can run with that. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Bobby. on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:38pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 8:16pm:
1840, 1810, 1860 - I don't know - it was in that century and a little before then. We had law and order not like now. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:41pm Quote:
Jasin is a lot smarter than you, and YOU don't even know it. Most of us here know how smart Jasin is, by comparison. There is myself and a few other posters on OzPol who are smarter than Jasin. However, Jasin is smarter than me in other ways. He knows when to shut up and when to talk. You might be a student of my reverse psychology education. However, I have what must amount to 30 years of experience over the type of person you represent. I might have been a bit of a smart arse when I was 15 years old. But, 30 years later, 400 litres of excessive alcohol consumption, and 800 rounds of ammunition spent, either being shot by me or me being shot at by others, I don't play around with super woke liberals who hide behind computer screens. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:00pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:29pm:
Hello again, thegreatdivide. The Australian military would still like to recruit the type of person you present as yourself. You don't have to tick the gender box these days. It is NO longer a question. Upon completing your military academy training in Kapooka or Duntroon, you will be whisked away to the nearest military training base for further instruction on how you can handle domestic (national) war zones. There will be plenty of time for you to speak up about the "insightless, ideologically crippled" veterans of domestic abuse cases. I happened to be a hostage negotiator for the Rockhampton region on two occasions. Had I been a computer hacker in recent years, or paid closer attention to the police radio, I could have single-handedly prevented the domestic violence of a mother and child last year, too. However, I submit to your insightful comments on the economic system of Australia's politics. I look forward to my former commanding officer reporting back to me how well woke liberals do in the military. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:07pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:41pm:
Hey, I'm even prepared to admit Goebbel's was smarter than me...and certainly the lawyers attempting to develop international law on the basis of "legal war" are no doubt smarter than me, yet they are also the sick bunnies pulling their hair out as they watch the UN project proving itself powerless to stop the slaughter of children... so much for being "smart". Quote:
Nah - I already noted he's as psychotic as the rest of us, being an insightless member of the human race, satisfied the slaughter of children ranks behind "freedom". So being "smart" doesn't fix the the dark angels of the human condition, obviously. Quote:
Gawd: classic human lack of insight, talking about everthing except causes. Quote:
I'm tempted to ask.."please explain" - I'm not that smart (and Pauline's an honest person at least...) Quote:
I see you are a tough nut to crack. "Smart arse"? Don't shoot the messenger, the pyschosis caused by 'the human condition' ie, the pyschosis caused by the freedom to act against instinct which controls other animals automatically and without self-examination, and is manifested by the endless slaughter of children in war - psychotic behaviour indeed - is prof. Jeremy Griffiths' observation. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:13pm Quote:
::) Back in 2012, when I first signed up to this forum site, there were a bunch of forum users who said much the same thing about white Australians. Except, where I am from, us "white Australians" tend to use the system of child endowment payments for their custodial upbringing for their children. I know of two single women (unrelated to my earlier story) who raised 7 children. The women are both in their 20s and 30s. Both have my respect because they work longer hours than I do. However, they are okay with me, because they know that I paid off my required child support payments to the mothers of those daughters of mine. So, I am debt free. Perhaps where you come from, the idea of having children is against your regional culture. Besides, the Labor government will happily import more immigrants from overseas to make sure that Australia keeps our metropolitan cities thriving, and house prices as high as possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTZGoPjCMFk |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:35pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:07pm:
I don't want to have to re-apply for the army and be assigned the rank of Colonel, just because someone like you has a problem with right-wing centrist conservatives like me trying to convince you not to start World War 4. If WW4 starts, you will be one of those idiots more concerned about how you can no longer order your Pantene shampoo online through the Woolworths website. The server will be down. And your delivery driver will be in training with the RAAF, learning how to efficiently drive Bushmasters to evacuate dead and dying civilians from regional northern Australia. And whilst those United Nations employees might be "pulling their hair out" trying to resolve the conflict in the surrounding area of Palestine's "Radiation Zone", you could be well aware that you will receive a mandated call up to national service. In the meantime, you may be well-served to mitigate the tone of smugness you have on these forums. Or keep going with it. WW3 ended several years ago because of the likes of you. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:39pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
I actually applied to the military when I had no idea how to earn a living; I failed the eyesight standard. (I think I had fantasies of explaining to my fellow soldiers how war can be avoided ...the naivety of youth...) Quote:
You wouldn't get me inside the war industry machine in a fit these days; I'm much more likely to shoot the bastard in front of me (if I was forced to) than someone I dont know in some overseas war. Quote:
Not in the military - I would be turfed out in an instant; as you know by now, I despise the war machine, being more interested in examining the mentality of international law lawyers who are grappling with the absurd concept of 'legal war'. Who are "veterans of domestic abuse? Wives abused by sick veterans suffering PTSD? Quote:
aka 'placing the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'...WHY was she subject to domestic violence - partner violence, the ultimate madness. Quote:
Well - in these "woke" times, even battle-hardened decorated soldiers (presumably not "woke liberals") can find themselves in deep pooh with the military top-brass..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:42pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 12:41pm:
Are you drunk again? I've known bricks that are smarter then Jasin |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by aquascoot on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 11:35am:
people are priced out of affordable housing because of the high cost of land, getting land cleared, building roads and drainage, making bricks and plasterboard and concrete, stainless steel and roof tiles. why are these things so dear why is it so much dearer to get a concretor and a carpenter. to buy wood and bricks? well, a lot of the young people who would have worked in these trades would rather work as BS jobs like "disbaility support worker" then go get on the tools. so we have wage surges for the trades as governments keep conscripting people into BS jobs then we have so much greentape that clearing land is very costly. developers have to employ someone to come and check every tree for a koala, more BS jobs then to put the roads in we need armies of traffic controllers, because safety is so important that we need 6 traffic controllers for everyone operating a shovel then the bricks and wood are so dear because electricity is thru the roof since we gave all out coal to china and india so they could have cheap power. add in armies of pen pushers from the council making builders spend all day with a pencil in their hand instead of a hammer so the cost of housing is mainly dut to too many public servants and too much government departmental empire building get rid of government and we could go back to cheap housing again. like the amish who can put up a house on a weekend  amish.jpg (228 KB | 1
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:52pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:07pm:
You don't know how smart I am. The Rockhampton CIB, however, do know. That is why they put a police tracer ping on my phone number. They don't like the way I type my forum posts, too. Quote:
How many times have you been beaten up? I must have been knocked into concussion phases about 10 times in the last 24 years. Only football players (and some netball players) take more injuries than I do. Eight months ago, I suffered a fairly serious stroke. It was because I went 2 months without a scotch, when I was trying to be sober in the summer months. Book learning is an excellent source of material. So too is psychology for anyone with anything more than boy scout training in the army. Hopefully, you are a medical student with considerable experience in the hospital industry. I would be working at Yeppoon Hospital by now, if I did not act like an idiot as a 21 y.o. At least Uber driving pays pretty well. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:00pm John Smith wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
The thing is, if I go more than 2 months without a scotch, there is a possibility that my stroke might "flare up" again. This time I am prepared to counter it with some home remedies of thyme sprinkled over my salad or vegetables. It worked well back in March. Jasin just comes off as a bit self-important. I admit, he actually does have a bit of wisdom about himself. Whatever criticisms you have of Jasin, he knows how to shut up and let people be themselves. You can see evidence of that on Political Animal. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by John Smith on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:02pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
thats because there is never anybody to respond on PA :D :D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:07pm
I will be back to check in on Jasin's progress.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:28pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
Er..did you miss it: Einstein, helping to usher in the nuclear age, and much smarter than either of us, said "the war after WW3 will be fought with sticks and stones....". Personally, I'd cheer Trump if he told Putin and Zelensky to end that war NOW, against the wishes of the delusional "democratic freedoms" mob in NATO (not including Slovenia and Hungary). Not sure how Trump would end the Palestine war without creating the Palestinian state; and I don't think he would take on China over Taiwan, which is an internal Chinese ideological dispute, which deluded 'democratic freedom' ideologues the world over want to stick their sorry noses into. Quote:
Er - yes, you forgot about Einstein's warning re MAD in WW3; there won't be any online IT after WW3. Quote:
The UN will no longer exist after WW3, since the world's major capitals will be in ruins. As to "mandated call ups" - be warned, my hatred will be directed to the war machine in front of me, not overseas. People everywhere want peace; the military industrial complex turns us all into murderers. Listen to Sky News: "we have get ready to fight China". Get a life, maybe? The Chinese are more interested in developing common prosperity at home than making war on Oz. Quote:
?? Are we talking about WW3 or 4? Neither has started yet. As for "smugness", I'm not responsible for the effect my expose' of the human condition has on you. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 2:55pm Quote:
World War 4 will be fought with computers, AI, and old-fashioned brutal strength. World War 5 might be fought with spears and stones. World War 3 ended in August, 2021, with the withdrawal of American troops. Make of it what you will the result of the war, who was the victor. I helped evacuate the Australian soldiers, near the border of Pakistan, in 2014. It was kind of wild having to pack a 1992 era South African Cricket World Cup jersey, just in case the helicopter got shot down on the way back to the HMAS Tobruk. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:52pm John Smith wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
Never owned an investment house in my life nor been eligible for FBT concessions. That sounds more like your forte. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:57pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 2:06pm:
That's the BS right there ...no such thing... there are not and never were any 1st Nations on this continent prior to colonisation. And the "month on country" is another recent made up bit of BS .... just like Welcome to Country. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:59pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
Yeah nah you're not and you can't say with anything with any authority. ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:01pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 5:22pm:
There aren't any. They're people of Aboriginal descent .... some with a very slim grasp on that ancestry. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:08pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
;D The Army wouldn't have you .... and if they did they'd be desperate.... and what makes you think you'd be officer material? Your schizophrenia? BTW what do you weigh at the moment? You wouldn't get through boot camp/basic training. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:20pm Gnads wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
Oh ffs, Gnads. "thegreatdivide" is so far left, he orbited the planet a couple of times and gave himself jetlag. Even Anthony Albanese stops off in Hong Kong for "stretching his legs and getting some emails downloaded" before he continues onward to Beijing. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:25pm
I can't even get a kebab from the local store in Stocklands, without getting an email from Brittany Lauga telling me to "cut it out... I am sick of the phone calls wanting your investigated for spying on the Middle East"...
That is how left-wing egomaniacal "thegreatdivide" can be. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
You had fantasies of sweet talking the local SASR into not shooting the cutest soldier in Afghanistan... unless there was an insurgent that identified as a "she". Then you did not care. By the way, there are no Taliban members that identify as "she" and gets to live to tell the tale. Quote:
No kidding. You would have not made it to the rifle range. However, the navy does not mind someone like you with good computer skills. The submariner admiral for HMAS Rankin, says you are still banned from enlistment. Quote:
Australian military personnel are required by international military law to not fire their weapons unless they are genuinely threatened. You are either scared or lazy to join the military. I bet you got high the night before you applied for some role in the ADF. Quote:
Bingo. I talked one returned soldier out of killing his wife, back when I was 19 years old. Her daughter grew up to be a nurse at the Rockhampton Base Hospital. Quote:
PTSD for the returned soldier. Because f'wits like you want to encourage the real perpetrators of domestic violence in Iraq to extend Australian soldiers deployment in Baghdad a lot longer than necessary. Why you want to encourage the Iraqis to play the victim, that is a matter that only YOU can explain. Meanwhile, I am sick of paying $1.80/L at the petrol bowser for Unleaded 95. Quote:
F'n oath, leftnut futureguy. And when our soldiers concede to PM demands of going easy on insurgents, that just encourages the insurgents to migrate to places like Australia. And that then becomes a hypothetical situation where you are the hostage negotiator at your mother's funeral. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:15am UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:20pm:
Priceless :-) ; but what has being ultra left or ultra right got to do with the causes of endless war and entrenched poverty - the latter being implicated in government pathetically lowering the age of criminal responsibility, as if the entrenched poverty responsibile for way-ward kids' criminal behavior can be ignored by government. Being hotly debated in the NT parliament (where black poverty is widespread) and in the rest of Oz at the moment. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:44am thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 11:15am:
Your best/most modest response, thus far. We need neither ultra left or ultra right people in Australia. We can have left-wing or right-wing people. Or we can have swinging voters who are considered "centrists". People who are either pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel are usually "ultra left". Those of us who take a casual view of the Palestine or Israel are either "left-wing" or "right-wing". "Centrists", such as myself, take the view to just let the conflict resolve itself without our intervention. Not our problem. Confused? Good. That means you are learning something. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2024 at 12:00pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Your narrative, not mine; I believe the UN goal to "save mankind from the scourge of war" is achievable. Quote:
That's right, as I already said, my eyesight (without glasses) wasn't up to army standards Quote:
...yeh, the insane absurdity of "legal war" (rules for committing murder legally...) Quote:
At the time, no, I was young and naive. But I certainly refuse to go overseas to get PTSD now, on a government mission (like the illegal Bush-Blair-Howard adventure) which ignores international law. These days there's no excuce for war at all, since the age of conquest has passed;; the faulty ideology leading to war should be exposed at the UN and any dispute adjudicated in the ICJ (the UN's court of law). Quote:
Oz had no business in destroying Afghanistan; the IMF should be doing its job to engender prosperity in all nations. Quote:
Touched on above: in the West, domestic violence is caused by a failure of the economy (overseen by the useless IMF), and for veterans suffering PTSD, adventures in war; in the Islamic world, complicted by absurd conventions re women in Islam, conventions which are NOT the job of Oz soldiers to fix, but the job of the UN. Quote:
Caused by dysfunctional geopolitics and resort to war. Quote:
Ideology needs to be be soundly-based, and "the future is ours".. Quote:
You remind me of Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men"; the decorated general was outed for issuing a 'code red' resulting in the illegal death of a soldier. "Go easy on insurgents" who are trained killers (like the good general...) ; yes, I see the problem....do you? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 18th, 2024 at 12:24pm
thegreatdivide,
I am near-sighted with the need to watch the television at a distance of 5 metres with my glasses on. But, I was able to hit a target at a distance of 1200 metres 4 times, using a 1920s-style sniper rifle. It is a standard shot for anyone in the military with marksman abilities. Near-sighted people make good snipers. You just need to understand the weather conditions to be good at the job. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:18pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
I will give you a story. Whether you believe me or not is up to you. In August of the year 1997, I was applying to join the Australian Army as a rifleman. This particular afternoon, there was a bit of a problem out at the rifle range. A former Vietnam Veteran had this 46-year-old "draft dodger", beaten and up against post of the target shooting arena. It was not true that the 46 y.o. was a "draft dodger". The issue was that the guy was boning the Vietnam Veteran's wife for quite a while. The Warrant Officer wanted me to murder the man. Being 18 years old, and an idealist, I refused to shoot the man. It would have been labelled an accident. But I did not want to shoot the man in cold blood -- considering that the 46 y.o. was recognised as the guy who taught me how to shoot rifles (accurately) when I was 11 or 12 years old. After refusing a few times, the Warrant Officer (or whatever inappropriate officer's rank he had), walked up to me, pulled out his pistol, pointed it at my face and said that it was either him or me. I thought about it momentarily. I walked over to the rifle, aimed near the guy tied up 200 metres away, and fired the Lee Enfield .303. I missed him... deliberately. Then I faked an eye injury to avoid shooting again. The Major saw what was going on. He decided that my application be "put on hold". The Warrant Officer got on the phone and made a call to the police station. I hung around for about 20 minutes debating whether to kill the W.O. that day. But, I got back in my "shitbox" car and went home. Not eating much that night, I decided to "go see a movie". I got in my car and drove all the way out to Cawarral. I got out; took my water bottle; and jumped the chain-linked fence to go to the area where the guy was still tied up. I cut his binds gave him some water; and let him have the muesli bar that I pretended to be taking to the movies. Not much was said that night. I jumped the fence and went home. Three months later, I was genuinely over town at the movies. My friends ditched me for the nightclubs. I decided to walk to the pub for a drink. Then I walked home. The taxi service in town was terrible. Nobody wanted to take me 5km home. There was also this security guard stalking me. When I turned to confront the "rent a cop", he smiled, pulled out a hand gun and readied to fire at me. But, before he was able to fire, I heard a cracking sound, followed by the security guard falling forward. 300 metres down the laneway, I saw the silhouetted figure of a tall man holding what might have been a rifle. And I heard a familiar voice shout in the distance "Get the fkk out of here!" before the silhouetted man disappeared around the corner. Police questioned me the next day because I had walked into the Bolsover Police Station, about ready to make a statement that night. I walked out and ran most of the way home. "At some stage" years later, that newly divorced Warrant Officer was found dead in his modest home residence, with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. I did not say much to the police the following night after the incident. My story was credible. The shooter remains at large to this day. And I have a police profile record of me that states that I am a "high-functioning schizophrenic with marksman abilities". It is the reason why I am overeducated and underemployed. Up to you if you want to believe me. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:59pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
The army tested my eyesight, and rejected me. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2024 at 2:15pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
You are still attempting to draw conclusions about how the world works, on the basis of your own experience of it, a big mistake - but let's read on. Quote:
What's not to believe? The army trains people to be killers, under the doctrine of "legal" war, that's my point. It's time for the ICJ to adjudicate on disputes which hitherto have resulted in war, to fulfil the UN Charter's mission to "save mankind from the scourge o war". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 18th, 2024 at 2:17pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
The army tested my personality... and rejected my application. Four years later, they said I was too late for East Timor. But I could get my university debt wiped clear if I was in the army reserves. Debt-free; still somewhat near-sighted; and I still hold the state record for longest sniper shot in the Australasian. My under 20s record still remains an unofficial world record. You were making excuses about why you could not join. But, if your eyesight is that bad, then I can understand why the army or airforce could not accept you. If you were under the age of 50, you can still join the navy. Meet those large sharks out near Samoa. That is what I did in the year 2013. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 18th, 2024 at 5:43pm
I'm 75 and apart from a developing cataract my vision is near perfect still. Need reading glasses for keyboard stuff but not to view screen or television just over arm's length away.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:00pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 7:20pm:
That just makes TGD & Albo both far left ideologues. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:11pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
OMG your schizophrenia is extra large in this story..... after all your posted supposed history it just gets more grandiose by the post. Forget all the BS TAFE style training go into writing short story fiction .... you have an uncanny knack for it. ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:22pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 2:17pm:
Well they at least got one thing right. As for 2013 - Yeah nah .... no you didn't. Your police record, your alcohol & drug dependencies would have seen to that. You haven't had enough of a lifetime to do all the things you claim to have done. To do what you claim you should be at least as old as I am. ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 19th, 2024 at 10:54am Gnads wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Are you serious? When Albo proposed that stupid VoiceToFreeRights back in mid 2023, I thought one of those people on stage had a pistol in Albo's back. A year later, it seems that Albo was quite genuine. Reading TGD's proposals about Australian economic reforms for more equitable distribution of wealth, I bet even Albo would be irritated enough to tell TGD where to get TGD's leg speared. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 19th, 2024 at 11:51am Gnads wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:11pm:
My schizophrenia has saved my life a few times. My schizophrenia has realistically saved a few people's lives around town. When I was 19 years old, I got both reprimanded and praised for saving the life of a young mother over town from her drug addicted boyfriend. You don't have to believe that story. And that long-winded story I told the other day about my time out at the shooting range, let us call that the made-up story. I cannot prove to you what I saw or what I did. Even if I gave you my real name to check up on the credibility, both the perpetrators and the victim are now dead. I am the only witness to the story. Police could not piece together what had happened. My story was the only credible piece of evidence that could be put to record. Let us just say that some guy pulled out a handgun at an alleyway, in 1997 (or whenever). The mugging was thwarted by some bikie looking fellow, hitting the mugger in the back of the head with a 750mL XXXX bottle. Does that sound more realistic? You don't even have to believe that story. There is a reason why Rockhampton's crime rate dropped in the last 20 years, but we are considered one of the more dangerous regional cities in the country. My friends, my ex-girlfriends, and some family members started doing patrols around town in our spare time. Thursday nights are considered "lap nights" where all the car enthusiasts like to show off their expensive cars and talk about their latest home theatre system. The closest thing I have to a stereo system is the 3.1 channel sound bar that I have attached to my $700 computer. It was a bit of a splurge. But I managed to save enough money to buy the computer, after the last computer was overwhelmed with privacy traces moreso than usual. People call those moments "the blue screen of death". I drink a bottle of scotch once every 3 weeks (on average). I buy at Aldis when the other major supermarkets are not being competitive. I sleep 5 to 7 hours a night, given my age and socioeconomic circumstances. And I have a couple of really cool employers who understand my situation and give me a bit of leniency with my attitude problem (according to some 20 to 25 year old age range co-workers). Why should I be condemned for my "old school" personality? I mean, I am only 45 years old. There are people out there who are 17 years of age. The justice system lets them off with a warning for mugging women my age. But, when I as a white kid, being 9 years old at the time, gets blamed for something that a 30 y.o. did to his daughter... racial background did take priority over facts. That is why a local police officer gave serious consideration to making me a missing child, rather than bump off a migrant university lecturer. ...and that is why I (sometimes) drink, your Honour. Yes, I do embellish my stories. Up to you if you want to believe them. Or I could continue my novelisation that I had started on my ex-girlfriend's computer and write up these far-fetched encounters I had throughout my childhood. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:03pm Gnads wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:22pm:
In 2013, I was retired from active duty as an unlisted army reservist. It was the last time I picked up a rifle to shoot at the rifle range. I drove through Cawarral the other week and was reminded of what happened 25 and years earlier. Then I thought that I might as well scale back the big-talk to something more passive-aggressive and implicit. I think you might remember me writing something similar about 7 or 8 years ago. That was when I stopped being such a smart-arse and started acting my age. rhino was actually quite wise. PM for Canyons was very forgiving, even if he did not like it that I ate Maccas and/or Red Rooster every second weekend. Then there are a few others that no longer post here that "don't dick around". You seem to be one of the last posters here that understands me, but does not believe me. I am 45 years old. My police record remains clean (other than traffic infringements). And I chose the username "UnSubRocky" for obvious reasons. Police officers assigned to reviewing my profile at the Rockhampton CIB every year are likely to see how reliable I can be for around the town. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Yadda on Oct 19th, 2024 at 1:51pm "Lowering the age of crim responsibility" Their age, is totally irrelevant, imo. 10 year old, or 15 year old. If an individual commits a criminal offence, AND, if that individual >> knows** << that the action they chose to 'do' is wrong [i.e. against the law], then they need to be made accountable, IN LAW, for whatever they did. ** ....if they know, because this current 'incident'......'isn't their first rodeo'. Not so ???? Why ? Why would anyone [in Australia], get 'a pass' to do, something which they already know, is wrong [unlawful] ??? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 20th, 2024 at 9:36am UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
If you were a Reservist up to being 34 yrs old when did you start bunging the weight on? You already said you'd been drinking and trying drugs way before then. And why would Detectives be reviewing your profile yearly just for "traffic" infringements? It would have to be for more than that. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:10am
Give it up, Rocky.
On the subject - though I raised it, I haven't had a lot to say. I will now speak my mind definitively - when the offender is a serial serious criminal offender and shows no sign of remorse or willingness to change his/her ways, and it is clear that parents are incapable of controlling anti-social and criminal behaviour in their offspring yet cannot have those offspring taken away from them due to silly public misconception and a totally unwarranted fear of consequences for doing what is right - there is little to no choice left but to place that offender in a program to properly guide him/her in the paths of righteousness..... (hoo-rah) .. Tough titties! |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Valkie on Oct 20th, 2024 at 1:30pm
Commit a crime
Do the time. A parent's solem duty is to teach children right from wrong. To look after and nurture them to become responsible and contributing adults. If the parent does not do their job, punish both the parent and the child . |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:26pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 5:43pm:
And neither of you are interested in how to avoid war via effective international law... ok, a tough nut to crack. Nor how to eradicate entrenched poverty and its associated crime - admittedly also tough, given the current neoclassical economic orthodoxy. The Conservative solutions: war - shoot them; poverty-related crime - lock'em up...though did I see you referencing re-training in a later post, as opposed to 'lock'em up'? That's progress. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:34pm Gnads wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Which proves you don't read my posts. Unsub is correct: Albo is closer to Morrison (who conceived the AUKUS bs - accepted by Albo) than to me, on the political L-R spectrum. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:46pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:26pm:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 21st, 2024 at 5:47pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:46pm:
But international law could - if supported by all the members of the UNSC enforcing adjudication of disputes between nations by the ICJ - stop all wars between nations. Just as poverty-related crime can be eradicated, if government had the will to eradicate poverty. Quote:
A correct statement; do I detect some contempt for that course of action? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 21st, 2024 at 6:22pm
Whatever you say - the USNC could slap them around with some wet lettuce leaves and bring about law and order...
We've seen time and again how a too-little too-late too-weak-kneed response from the UN costs millions of lives. can't see that changing in any way. How's the planning for the quarantine zone around Israel's borders going? How're the peace initiatives and then peacekeeping in Gaza and Lebanon going? Lot of jumping up and down and slinging accusations around indiscriminately - not much forward movement. Wait until Israel does the job required on the Barbarians, then come in with loud trumpets and declare peace/victory for civilisation amid promises of a better future for all in peace and harmony. Meanwhile the clock counts down to WW III ... the alliances are lining up.... the national boundaries are hardening.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 21st, 2024 at 7:00pm
.. and so it spreads and spreads......
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/queensland-must-look-at-early-intervention-to-tackle-youth-crime/ar-AA1sBH33?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=e886a8245e2b4a17a6b0e3261375bb68&ei=9 "Senator Jacquie Lambie discusses Queensland’s youth crime issue urging early intervention over further punishment in youth detention centres. Queensland LNP Leader David Crisafulli has promised mandatory isolation for child offenders who assault guards ahead of the state election. “If you want to change a generation, you’ve got to start early,” Ms Lambie told Sky News Australia. “That’s at five or six years of age and teaching those kids to have the courage to stand up for themselves and say no I’m not going to be a part of that.” ... and now for something completely different ..... https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/alice-springs-youths-to-be-relocated-to-darwin-as-part-of-nt-government-s-emergency-prisons-plan/ar-AA1sDePd?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=d1d5c318bdef488198f8dbf409f99b5c&ei=7 "Alice Springs youths to be relocated to Darwin as part of NT government's 'emergency' prisons plan The Northern Territory government has announced it will permanently move young people from the Alice Springs Youth Detention Centre to Darwin as part of an "emergency response" to bursting prisons. The new Country Liberal Party government on Monday revealed details of its plan to install about 800 new adult prison beds over the next four years, increasing the NT's jail capacity by 37 per cent. This will include transferring children and teenagers held in Alice Springs to Darwin's new youth detention centre in Holtze, which is set to open next month. Adult female prisoners will then be moved into the 48-bed Alice Springs youth detention centre. Deputy Chief Minister and Corrections Minister Gerard Maley said keeping all youth detainees in one location would improve rehabilitation services. "(It will) make sure those children have a better choice in life and hopefully stop the cycle of reoffending and go on to be upstanding members of the community," he said. However Justice Reform Initiative advocacy coordinator Kirsten Wilson said the plan to relocate young people from Alice Springs to Darwin, about 1,500 kilometres away, was "really concerning". "That means that young people are away from their family supports, from their community, from the service support systems that sit around them and off their country," she said. "What that will likely lead to is a continued cycle of reoffending." The government said it would also repurpose the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre in Berrimah as a temporary home for 50 low-security adult male prisoners by December, once children and teenagers are in the new Holtze facility." ... more on the link .... And so it begins.......... night and fog ... the midnight express to Darwin ..... removal and isolation from the general community .... the gulags begin...... shipping of the worst miscreants first ..... little by little taking in all 'undesirables' and enemies of the state..... Pertinent Comment:- Makes no difference to their re-offending - they are there at all because of repeat offences. Arrr - you cunning lefties! Always trying to deceive the public with the idea that somehow these repeat criminals are the result of attempts at correction.... and that somehow White culture causes remote Aborigines to behave illegally. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 2:31pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 6:22pm:
No, the UNSC (if the members united and willed it) could eliminate the war criminal Netanyahu (..even Hezbollah apparently found his house with a drone), and war criminal Putin if he refused to negotiate - Russia, not Putin, is a member of the UNSC; bulldoze the illegal settlers out of the WB; and then lay down the law for would be trouble makers. "Lettuce leaves"? Quote:
..because the UNSC isn't united behind rule of law. Meanwhile even Austen is getting restive re Israel's genocide/total war policy. Quote:
Neither can I, so long as your instinctive 'survival of fittest' ideology rules the UNSC. Quote:
Yep, there's a possibility the ancient, unconscious 'survival' instincts will in fact destroy civilization on this planet, via MAD..... ironic. Epitaph: "they didn't succeed in "knowing themselves". Now, back to the causes of poor parental role models living in generational poverty. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 8:21pm
It's all down to the neo-con ideology I tells yez. People can't be given personal sovereignty and responsibility, and the state must not be paternalistic.
You wee little Fascist you **tweaks his cheek** By what right does the UN declare war on Israel and seek to murder its head man? Are you a mad fascist? What makes you think murdering Netty would cause Israel to give up defending itself? You are talking madness. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 2:18am Gnads wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 9:36am:
At 34 years of age, I had packed on about 130kg total. Between the ages of 30 and 34 years of age, I weighed anywhere from 95 to 130kg. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes at age 35. There was no doubt about that. I was not a regular drinker until about the year 2021. I discovered how insane people can get. Watching those videos of riots throughout the world, I am left to wonder how it was that I managed to afford those bottles of scotch. Then I recalled the term "coronavirus bonus payments". Detectives don't review my profile, over a matter of traffic tickets. Police review my profile over a matter of yours truly being labelled "a potential risk to public safety". That is rather an ironical way of saying "subject encourages road rage by eliminating general antisocial behaviour". I read social media posts about there being a serial killer in our region. I laughed at my computer screen and wondered how well people sleep at night. If you followed Aorta Complexus, ignorance is bliss. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:41am thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 5:47pm:
;D The old woulda, shoulda, coulda ey? Just waffle,waffle, waffle. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 24th, 2024 at 12:51pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 8:21pm:
"neo-con ideology" - war as a dispute settlement mechanism? (See how you ignore the post to which you somehow imagine you are replying). Quote:
1. Personal sovereignty is a delusion if there is more than one person in the world. (I see you have learned nothing form the 'sovereign citizen' debate. Deplorable). 2. People can't be "given" personal responsibilty, they must be taught it, via good role models. 3. Establishment of rule of law - "paternalistic" or not (to avoid chaos) is vital. See how incompetent your powers of analysis are... Quote:
You accused the UNSC of being a wet lettuce leaf, now you are accusing it of being "fascist" if it adopts the power to enforce the law and maintain the peace. Your mental incompetence revealed again. Quote:
By UN res. 181, ie international law, which the madman Netanyahu thinks he can spurn in favour of genocide. Quote:
Many in Israel (not Conservative ideologues and religious nutters) want peace via the establishment of the Palestinian State, as delineated in UN res 181 representing international law. Re "defending itself": the creation of Israel was the original offence to Palestinians; therefore Israel should seek protection by a "fascist" UNSC acting to enforce the UN law which created Israel. Quote:
Says the "might is right" bully who believes genocide, rather than international law, will fix it. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 24th, 2024 at 1:13pm Gnads wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:41am:
Exactly: endless wars and entrenched poverty can, should and need to be eradicated. Quote:
How to eradicate war and poverty isn't waffle, except to mental incompetents. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 24th, 2024 at 1:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 12:51pm:
And recidivism should not result in incarceration. Got it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 24th, 2024 at 2:52pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 1:13pm:
How to eradicate war and poverty isn't waffle, except to mental incompetents. [/quote] There's been thousands of greater minds than thou over the centuries - they didn't seem to do anything to eradicate war. Waffle waffle waffle. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 25th, 2024 at 9:53am lee wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 1:58pm:
As usual, the Conservatine inability to understand causes rears its head. Recidivism itself is caused by locking people up, rather than treating or re-educating them. But I was talking about establishment of international law, to avoid war as a dispute settlement mechanism between nations, in the age of MAD. Do try to keep up. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 25th, 2024 at 10:02am Gnads wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 2:52pm:
There's been thousands of greater minds than thou over the centuries - they didn't seem to do anything to eradicate war.[/quote] Actually the world almost eradicated international war in 1946 (at the beginning of the age of MAD), when most of the delegates from smaller countries present at the creation of the UN Charter accepted Doc Evatt's idea of an UNSC without veto power. But neanderthal mental incompetents in the US and USSR delegations demanded the veto...preserving the ancient 'might is right' system. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 25th, 2024 at 12:15pm
... and so avoided the situation of every pissy little third world backward country continuing to do the same things it always has, tribal conflicts and genocides - while claiming to be active participants in world peace... I can just imagine the Arab states holding the peace with Israel..... I can just Imagine Rwanda times many while the UN 'army' stands by and says they can't be involved in an internal dispute. I can just imagine North Korea not trying to invade South Korea and then China being involved in it... I can just imagine a peaceful solution to Vietnamese Reunion over a cup of tea and then some... no never-ending attacks on Kurds Druze and Maronites etc ... and no Confrontation by the saintly Indonesia against Malaysia ... no armed attempt by Argentina to take The Falklands ... and a lot more....
It's all talk and no action... EVERY one of your saintly small countries, some of which have grown to The First World, has murdered its own citizens and engaged in wars with neighbours and with groups within its own borders .. let's hear it from you now to tell us that they were pushed to it by the Big Countries. Naivety is no excuse for fomenting death and destruction. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 26th, 2024 at 1:11pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
Not avoided, BECAUSE of your conflicted ideology and confusion about (and rejection of) international rule of law ; you accuse the UNSC of being a 'wet lettuce', yet you demand each member follows its own sovereignty rather than (the sovereignty of) international rule of law.. You are certainly playing with fire in the age of MAD - as well as the current Israeli genocide in Gaza. Quote:
That's egg-head lawyers for you, trying to work around the insane concept of "legal" war....while the IDF claims it's not bombing civilians, but terrorists.... Quote:
If the UNSC had enforced UN res 181 in 1947, the Arab states would be at peace with Israel by now. Quote:
If the colonizers had handed-back power after establishing functioning indigenous economies, internal disputes would have been settled via the ballot box, not civil war. Quote:
Er, did you forget Korea isn't one nation today - unlike Vietnam - because the US lost in Vietnam, compared to 'half' winning in Korea (a stalemate) . Quote:
As noted above, all because of lack of effective international law, in which you are complicit - with your obsolete 'sovereignty' delusions. Quote:
Indeed it is: let me show you a UNSC that's action and not talk.... Quote:
Nice try graps - but don't look in the mirror right now; effective rule of law prevents fomentation of death and destruction. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 26th, 2024 at 1:49pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 9:53am:
So Kids who have never been locked up can't be recidivists? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:42pm lee wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 1:49pm:
Correct: you can't be locked up if you have never committed a crime, hence you can't be a 'recidivist' (and be locked up twice ...) Poor Lee - still mentally crippled ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:49pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
That's only legalese manipulation of the system. Coming before the court time and again and being let off and no conviction recorded .... does not mean the child or youth is not a criminal recidivist. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 27th, 2024 at 1:03pm Gnads wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:49pm:
Again, the Conservative lack of understanding of causes: Kids don't get hauled before the courts for no reason. The problem is egghead lawyers have no understanding of why the kids keep appearing in court (socioeconomic disadvantage, poor role models), AND how to deal with it (including retraining or re-education of kids). Even "adult crime, adult time" Crisafulli's policy on youth crime includes retraining to give the kids a chance (as he said in his victory speech last night). |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 27th, 2024 at 2:13pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
You confuse "committing a crime" with a sentence for committing a crime. "One who falls back into prior habits, especially criminal habits; a repeat offender. Nothing to do with being sentenced. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 28th, 2024 at 4:05am
Just toying with yez here .. posters for me coming movie project:-
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:17am lee wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 2:13pm:
Funny how quickly the notion of innocent until proven guilty evaporates when skin colour changes. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:18am thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
https://documentaryaustralia.com.au/project/backtrack-boys/ As has been said to you countless times all these softly softly programs have been going on for decades..... and there's still no great level of success. They know right from wrong but continue to take the wrong path. You are still just alll waffle, waffle, waffle. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:21am SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:17am:
That's just Horse shyte. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by tallowood on Oct 28th, 2024 at 9:40am
Lowering the age of criminal responsibility makes crime statistic to look worse.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 28th, 2024 at 11:59am tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 9:40am:
Only if the currently unrecorded convictions are included - and they may be already. Check!! |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:12pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:17am:
Funny how a crime isn't a crime until someone is convicted. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:26pm lee wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 2:13pm:
Poor lee's crippled Conservative brain on full display. I said you either have to be locked up, or at least brought before the 'revolving door' courts, before you can become 'recidivist'. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:49pm Gnads wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:18am:
That was the word Crisafulli used, to pacify the howls from the left; even he knows locking kids up won't fix the underlying causes of crime. Quote:
Not on the community-wide scale needed; you have to eradicate socio-economic disadvantage. Quote:
Like I said, the communty must eradicate socio economic disadvantage, as well as retraining young offenders (Crisafulli's concession). Quote:
The "softly softly" programs ignore(d) the uderlying socio economic disadvantage - which is why they failed. The problem is Conservatives don't do macro economics fit for our times. Quote:
Achieving above-poverty participation in the economy for all, in lieu of poverty-level welfare for some, isn't waffle. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:51pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
And you were wrong. You merely have to be a repeat offender, whether charged or not ::) So a repeat offender doesn't know they are wrong? They don't hear or see news or gossip? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:00pm lee wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:12pm:
Already explained: egg-head lawyers who have no idea of how to fix the socio-economic disadvantage which they are confronted with in court every day, simply release the young offenders. The public is getting sick of it, and Labor was turfed out of office in Queensland, on the "adult crime , adult time" LNP slogan. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:03pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
But until they are charged with repeat criminal offences they have not acted criminally? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Dnarever on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:07pm Gnads wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 7:21am:
What colour horse ? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:07pm lee wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
Er....poor lee: being brought before 'revolving-door courts' IS merely "being a repeat offender, whether charged or not". Quote:
Poor lee: a repeat offender isn't concerned about right or wrong, even if he can distinguish between the two. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:17pm
If a repeat offender was concerned about right and wrong he wouldn't be a repeat offender, would he? Jesus, man...
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:45pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
So having not been charged, how can he be brought before the "revolving-door courts". :o thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
So he knows they are wrong but does it anyway. The very definition of a repeat offender. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:03pm
If you have been inside a prison, you know that they will feed you. And if they don't feed you, you starve to death. And if you starve to death, the prison loses funding. If the prison losing funding, the guards start to not care. And if the guards start to not care, there are more revolving door prisons.
Feed the bitches and bastards a fatty meal. Send them home willing to have a home cooked meal asap. They won't be willing to eat sloppy prison food for a while. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:22pm lee wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:45pm:
Charged by police, but repeatedly dismissed by the 'revolving-door court'. (I suspected you weren't smart enough to understand 'revolving-door court'. Quote:
Your low-grade comprehension skills showing as always; "even if" he knows right from wrong...but apparently many kids don't know, hence the current misplaced controversy re 'age of criminal responsibility', when the real issue is the entrenched poverty responsible for youth crime. But Conservatives don't do causation. Deplorable. Even Crisafulli recognizes the need for "early intervention" to stop the "adult crime, adult time" merry- go-round. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:37pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:22pm:
But you said - "IS merely "being a repeat offender, whether charged or not"." If they haven't been charged they haven't been to court. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:22pm:
So even if "he knows right from wrong" then it wasn't wrong behaviour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D At what age do kids know right from wrong? When one of their peers get charged? or doesn't that twig with them either? ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm lee wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:37pm:
More of your egghead lawyer act...a specialty of Conservatives. Passion can overrule reason at any age, even if the individual knows the crime is wrong. Quote:
More dumb questions from dumb lee. Take it up with egghead lawyers in the revolving door courts, I already explained the issue requiring attention is entrenched socio economic disadvantage. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm:
I do understand. But people who aren't charged are not brought before the "revolving door courts". You are so silly. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm:
But you also said "whether charged or not". You don't even recognise the deficits in your thinking. So obtuse. :o thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm:
So it is not wrong to be passionate about committing criminal behaviour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm lee wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:09pm:
Recidivism - repeatedly charged by police, whether charged by the courts or not. Quote:
Too funny coming from lee's eggehead lawyer act. Quote:
A crime of/with passion is generally considered to be less agregious. Good luck trying to ignore the issue of entrenched socio- economic disadvantage, while prisons are already overcrowded. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:54pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
Wrong. The Police charge, sometimes prosecute, else DPP, the courts deliver a verdict; they do not charge. thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
You are so stupid. :o thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
So a passionate murder, brings a lesser sentence. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 31st, 2024 at 5:50am tallowood wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 9:40am:
So raising it is just smoke and mirrors to hide the truth... yes? Figures lie .... and liars figure. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 31st, 2024 at 5:54am Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
Piebald. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Oct 31st, 2024 at 5:57am UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
You speaking from experience? Most of them don't know what a home cooked meal is ..... they live on take-aways & junk food. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 31st, 2024 at 11:30am lee wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:54pm:
Tell it to the demi-White Kiwi asshole who burned wife and kids in car...... I doubt he'll see daylight ever.... did he die? Can't remember... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 31st, 2024 at 12:25pm lee wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:54pm:
See ....nitpicking-lee's egghead lawyer act: the revolving door courts continually overturn police charges, because they know locking youth up won't deal with the causes of youth crime; and prisons are already full; and its not their business to design early intervention programs (which "adult crime, adult time" Crisafulli at least is prepared to consider). Quote:
Poor blind, dumb lee , can't educate himself: Yes, a crime of passion can result in a lower sentence because it's considered a partial defense to a criminal charge: Definition A crime of passion is a crime committed in the heat of the moment, usually in response to something that provoked the person. Meanwhile, make yourself useful (despite low IQ) and have a go at considering the causes of youth crime, and suggest some "early interventions" Crisafulli needs your assistance urgently. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 31st, 2024 at 2:43pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 12:25pm:
So now you say the courts don't charge as you claimed but it is a nitpick. So we can see exactly what you know about the justice system. Which is of course a BIG "0", Zip. Nada. thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 12:25pm:
And nothing in your daffynition says anything about a reduced sentence. ::) But of course you rely on "can". The same as people can get a reduced sentence by pleading to "coming from a broken home". ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 31st, 2024 at 6:28pm lee wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 2:43pm:
poor lee is confused: under Labor, courts have avoided imprisoning youth whom police have arrested (hence 'revolving-door' courts); that's why the 'tough on crime' LNP won the election, promising to "lock'em up" - which the courts were failing to do. Quote:
Poor lee can't read ( forget comprehension:) Quote:
Ah, he CAN read... but forget comprehension. Poor socio-economic background IS taken into account by courts, who nevertheless don't concern themselves with early intervention, that's the government's job. Let's see what Crisafulli can do about 'broken homes', which Labor failed to do. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Oct 31st, 2024 at 7:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 6:28pm:
So yours is not confusion, just outright lying about the courts bringing charges. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 6:28pm:
And does nothing prove his assertion, hence it is me being wrong. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 6:28pm:
No You said it yourself: "can result in a lower sentence", No IS about it. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 1st, 2024 at 8:08am
You were all warned that the soft lefty approach to serial criminals, young or otherwise, on the absurd basis that somehow putting them in prison made a serial criminals worse so you shouldn't punish them for being victims of society etc, etc ........ would result in escalating crime rates, cause deaths and injuries to innocents.... and would inevitably bring on a strong reaction.
You soft-pedaling nambie-pambies are to blame for it all. Now the NT has Fallen, Queensland has Fallen, the rest are about to fall in one election - and both Fallen States are going to bring on Night and Fog and ship the Recalcitrants hundreds of miles away from 'home' and 'family' for 're-education' in the camps .... camps are a must since the prisons won't hold them all.......... and it is but one step to removing all of a specified social group to the camps for being Enemies Of The State or Undesirables of one kind or another.... YOU brought this on.... you wear it... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 1st, 2024 at 3:42pm lee wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 7:09pm:
poor lee with his egghead lawyer act; the courts may sentence you or release you. Quote:
Egghead lawyer - and a liar as well: "Is taken into account" (in sentencing) which is fact. Back to cuases: courts don't concern themselves with early intervention, that's the government's job. You being a fraud, low IQ and a liar, can't/won't address the real issues at all, including the misplaced concern about age of criminal responsibility. Let's see what graps has to say. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 1st, 2024 at 4:12pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 1st, 2024 at 8:08am:
A fair enough analysis....BUT....you are as incompetent as the "soft lefties": neither you nor they are competent to address causes of socio-economc disadvantage and its associated crime, and then create effective solutions. Hence your personal responsibility ideology results in overcrowded prisons and poor rehabilitation prospects; while the 'soft lefty' (revolving door) lawyers are complicit in repeat crimes against innocent victims. Quote:
Not all of it, as explained above....pity your ideology is also to blame... Quote:
Because of a cost of living crisis in a dysfunctional economic system; crime isn't a hot-button issue in the southern states Quote:
Aren't you applauding the NT and QLD electorates for chucking out Labor and presumabably emerging from "Night and Fog"? Quote:
Your errors addressed above; you have to address real causes and find real solutions. For every young crim you lock up , another will arise from a poverty ghetto, to attack another innocent victim. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 1st, 2024 at 4:59pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 1st, 2024 at 3:42pm:
Yes they may. They do NOT charge as you alleged. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 1st, 2024 at 3:42pm:
No it is not. It MAY be taken into account at sentencing. If a person rendering the sentence does not include it in his summary and so reduced the sentence, then he has not taken it into account. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 1st, 2024 at 3:42pm:
The argument was not about "issues" but about your absolute reliance on the courts charging people. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 2nd, 2024 at 8:07am Gnads wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 5:57am:
I think you are speaking from experience. I have only spent time in a drunk tank. That was only because I was pulled over after driving a Mazda around the southside pool "a little intoxicated". I was driving backwards at that stage. Some people called me "funny". Some people called "the cops". Others said that I was "probably onto his second bottle of bourbon". Do you know how funny it is to handcuff a 50-year-old senior constable and make him jog next to your car for 10 minutes? I dunno that either. That was because I was arrested by a 60-year-old female officer, who was nearing retirement. I had to be extra polite to her, because she found my sister's lost cat, many years ago. Other than that, the female officer that she was training was still PTSDed from me turning one of those 1994-era breathalysers into an IED. Scared the snot out of a passing train driver. But, that was back in the day when I was 16 years old and using fake identification. I have matured a lot since then. P.S. Don't **** with autistic people. I almost lost an arm jumping onto the back of the train, making my escape. I was not laughin' maniacally, as the police prosecutor alleges. I was just in a lot of pain from poppin' my shoulder out of place temporarily. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 2nd, 2024 at 1:35pm lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2024 at 4:59pm:
The topic is the controversy re the age of criminal responsibility. My "issue" is the controversy is a diversion. I have shown egghead lawyers, graps "soft lefties', and blind Conservatives who don't do causes, are to blame for the current youth crime and prison crisis in th NT and Qld. Graps now knows** 'personal responsibility' alone can't fix the crisis; people have to be taught 'personal responsibility' AFTER being taught how to escape poverty/socio-economic disadvanatge - which requires eradication of systemic poverty, the government's responsibility. **that's why he has disappeared. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 2nd, 2024 at 3:40pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 2nd, 2024 at 1:35pm:
Yes. And you haven't done anything to address that. All you have addressed are issues. Not about the age. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:04am lee wrote on Nov 2nd, 2024 at 3:40pm:
Poor lee, doesn't understand there IS a controversy about the age of responsibility, and whether it should be changed. I have identified the egghead lawyers, graps "soft lefties', and blind Conservatives like yourself who don't do causes, and who are to blame for the current youth crime and prison crisis in th NT and Qld. To repeat, since you weren't capable of processing it first time: people have to be taught 'personal responsibility' AFTER being taught how to escape poverty/socio-economic disadvantage - which requires eradication of systemic poverty, the government's responsibility. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 4th, 2024 at 11:17am UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 2nd, 2024 at 8:07am:
Why would you think that? Driving drunk as a 16 yr old? Some people are autistic - there are 3 in my close family. Other people are just complete nutters. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 4th, 2024 at 11:22am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:04am:
🤣 no controversy - it has already been changed from 10 yrs to 14 years. People believe it should be returned to 10 because the exercise was more about hiding juvenile crime rates than saying 10 is too young - it’s been a failure. How old were James Bulgers killers - Jon Venables and Robert Thompson? 10 yrs old yeah. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 4th, 2024 at 11:47am Gnads wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 11:22am:
You are saying there is no controversy, even though the NT election was fought - and won - on lowering the age back to 10, as you say. Your confusion is re causes: no-one is "hiding juvenile crime rates", the problem is government isn't seriously taking its responsibility to fix the youth crime problem, hence the silly argument over lowering the age of criminal responsibility. Quote:
Were they psychopaths, or victims of poverty-ghettos with poor role-models? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 4th, 2024 at 1:53pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:04am:
I do. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:04am:
That's where you go wrong. Criminal responsibility is learned from the peers and the earlier generation being incarcerated. They learn it is wrong early because parents, older siblings, cousins etc get caught up in the justice system. That they don't take notice is on them. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 4th, 2024 at 4:57pm lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 1:53pm:
So you agree there's a controversy - hence the "issue" which you said was not related to the topic. Quote:
At last, lee is about to reveal where his blind**, Conservative 'personal responsibility' ideology leads him. ** ie he's blind to the egregious effects of his Conservative ideology on his capacity for rational analysis. Let's read on: Quote:
Bingo - "learned criminal responsibility" is an oxymoron; you aren't being 'responsible' when you are behaving criminally. Quote:
Specifically, to your comical analysis: indeed, parents in dysfunctional families in low socio-economic groups often "get caught up in the justice system", as is to be expected; but what is the cause of the bad behaviour which causes them to be brought before the courts? Yet you expect the kids, with those same parents as role models, to be responsible enough to "take notice". ie, you display more breath-taking self-delusion, in the service of the blind Conservative idea that it's all down to 'personal responsibility' to behave well, regardess of socio economic circumstances. Let it sink in: government has its own responsibility to eradicate the socio-economic conditions which cause youth - and poverty-related - adult crime. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 4th, 2024 at 7:08pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
I said you hadn't addressed it, a big difference. At what AGE is a person criminally responsible. According to your bumf it is only AFTER they address the issues, therefore they are not responsible. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
And yours being there is no personal responsibility until all has been addressed. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
You may be irresponsible, it doesn't make you not responsible. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
See there you go again. No responsibility until all has been addressed. And of course only to your satisfaction. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
Of course. If the parents are responsible for crimes and punished, the kids will learn that it is not the done thing. Of course unless you teach them "it is all whartey's fault". ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
At what age a person is responsible, is a diversion from the CAUSE of criminal behaviour, eg bad role models in welfare dependent communities and families. Quote:
Wrong again: I have always agreed personal responsibility (for acceptable behaviour) is ONE part of the set of necessary conditions required to achieve social cohesion and harmony. But you of course are blind to other OTHER necessary conditions, eg, an economy which works for all - because you are blinded by the Conservative "poverty is always with us" meme. Quote:
Again, you ignore the effect of the external environment; systemic poverty is a mitigating factor re 'responsibility'. Quote:
Addressed and refuted above. Locking people up won't reduce crime among disadvantaged socio-economic groups. Quote:
(You restricting the issues to black crime? Another error.) I already asked you (and explained - which you ignore because you believe poverty is always with us): why did the parents commit crimes, and consequently were such poor role models for their kids, regardless of whether the courts locked the parents up or not? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 5th, 2024 at 9:14pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
No Diversion. Under your scheme they will never be responsible until your wish list is completely fulfilled. How many tears do you think? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
But ONLY if all your wishes are fulfilled. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
And yet there are many who live in "poverty" who don't feel the need to break the law. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
No it is not. Poverty doesn't require you to break the law. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
You haven't refuted anything. People living in poverty don't all feel the need to break the law. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
Really? Where did I raise the colour bar? That is just supposition on your part. The same as your posts on what will work and what won't. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 11:23am:
So why do rich people commit crimes and are consequently poor role models for their kids? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:34am
Given their restrictive upbringing - maybe there is an argument that ten year old Aboriginal children are not capable of making a valid judgement of right and wrong. If they are so physically neglected that the rates of Removal - after a long, drawn-out, and strenuous process and not just at the drop of a hat - for neglect and abuse - surely they have had little to no opportunity to see or learn the difference between right and wrong.
Nobody has shown them the ropes - and we are talking about those who turn to criminal activity, not all of them, dorks - so they cannot know right from wrong, and so are not PERSONALLY responsible at that age - so perhaps there is a need to look at setting parents straight by Early Intervention with them. How any government could go about that is beyond me - and it is clearly very 'paternalistic', and so would draw the most incredible criticism. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.... so at some point someone has to draw a hard line and say - 'no more'! You can argue the merits of the NT decision on early dispatch to reform school...... which is what this is - not 'sending them to prison'... Maybe governments could consider the Park plan, wherein the residents - initially at least - go to live there because they want to 'do things their way' (though what these kids get up to shows what that means in reality far too often) - and perhaps these kids could get their minds right from being taught the True Ways etc. (snark remark) They could even learn how to run Safaris and hunting!! I've known some Elders who have great ideas, but no avenues for putting them in place... the equivalent of the Kokoda Trail for instance - taking the young people along the traditional route between highland and coast, a seasonal thing, showing them the resources etc along the way... and how to eat and live etc (well - back-pack some cans of baked beans - you can live on it but it tastes like poo - some garlic to go with the yabbies)... In any case - something has to be done - and nobody is listening to the wiser heads up there - your Jacinta Prices and such... you can take the kid out of the abusive family but you can never take the abusive family out of the kid once it is entrenched .... so somewhere, somehow, you have to start with the adults.... Ideas without rancour, children?? Be better and less paranoid and less divisive and exclusive.... Exclusion_005.jpg (78 KB | 3
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am lee wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 9:14pm:
My wish to remove the causes of socioeconomic-related criminality? Guilty as charged. Quote:
Ah - another bit of the blind, Conservative "poverty is always with us" meme. 1. No need for the parenthesis re systemic "poverty" - it's real. 2. Some people can maintain social functionality in genteel "poverty"; others are crippled by systemicpoverty: "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison..." D. Trump, before the 2016 election. Quote:
But it does weaken responsibility, as Trump recognized. Quote:
lee: ..."unless you teach them "it is all whartey's fault". Early-stage dementia? Quote:
Greed, which may or may not be emulated by the kids; and individual greed-related crime in wealthy communities is different to widespread crime in poverty ghettos (see Trump's comment). |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 7th, 2024 at 12:08pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:34am:
Observe graps, unlike lee, opening his mind.... Quote:
It's beyond governments crippled by the current neoclassical economic orthodoxy which pits taxpayers against taxpayers. But there IS another way, to enable resource mobilization for the benefit of all - NOT "paternalism". https://findingmoneyfilm.com/ 'Finding the money' Quote:
Yes, we must hope the current babble of mainstream economists are swept into the dustbin of history before too long; maybe Trump's certain failure (before the mid terms) to MAGA for all the people who elected him, will hasten the process, after proving neither Trump's nor the mainstream (dem/repub) economic policies work. Quote:
Yes. Quote:
Alright for a few jobs, but the fact is most will have to be shown how to prosper in the modern economy - welfare dependency is not an acceptable model. Quote:
Yes, but Price is an IPA "freemarket" ideologue, so "what can be done" is already very limited by the free-market's allocation of resources. Quote:
Me and lee? He's the ultimate blind, Conservative 'poverty is always with us' market ideologue. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:31pm
My mind has always been open - it is you lot who restrict discussion to what you see as 'black and white' issues and who run around doing most of the name-calling - I give it back to you, turkeys...
If some of you would just stick to the issues instead of 'megaphoning' everyone with your hate speech, more information could be discussed and exchanged... but as long as you want to play trench warfare - I'm your man. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 7th, 2024 at 7:37pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Np your wish is to somehow reduce all criminality, until your wishes are met. No age limit because "failed parents". ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Yes it is. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
There is no such thing as "genteel poverty". Are homeless people living in "genteel poverty? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Oh dear. Now he claims Don knows all. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
No it doesn't. You are still responsible for your life choices, no one forces you to do anything. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
So SE Asians are not treated as "whartey's"? But they are not white. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
Not from me. From YOU, who can tell? thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
That's an assumption. You get greed related crime in ghettos. It is why "gangsta's" thrive. :o You really are a half-trick pony. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 8th, 2024 at 10:56am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Well you know I don't see things as 'black and white' issues, I see them as "it's the (macro) economy, stupid"... and apart from the hopelessly blind Conservative ideologue lee ('poverty is always with us') , no-one else is currently commenting on the age of criminal responsibility issue - itself an irrelevant diversion from examining causes of youth crime. Of course violent offenders should be locked up regardless of age. What the state does with them after they are locked up is another issue. And how to prevent crime by young offenders in the first place is another. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 8th, 2024 at 11:26am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 10:56am:
This is entirely intentional, it’s the way things operate here by design. A topic is introduced, not for genuine discussion, but as a mere springboard for the usual vitriol. Recently, we've seen a push to demand that others answer questions and share their views, using those replied, no matter what they are, as the jumping-off point, yet the same pattern unfolds: the familiar culprits launch into their predictable rants, regardless of the actual issue, always driven by the same agenda. What’s almost amusing is their feeble attempt to conceal this under the veneer of 'genuine discussion.' There’s one individual in particular who can’t manage even a semblance of subtlety and reminds us of this fact with every interaction. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 8th, 2024 at 11:38am
Well - stop raving about 'generational disadvantage' and all the other things and how the poor black man is oppressed...
Stick to the issue. I've offered my view - a view that has never changed despite the endless rhetoric from some of you that clouds every issue and turns it into a free-for-all of two allegedly opposite sides based on your perceptions of race. NOTE:- the South Australian AOTY is a woman who specialises in child protection - one of them evil 'stealers' of children, you know.... not some pharken 'entertainer' in some isolated community spot... FFS... I should've put up for AOTY one of the blokes who does gigs at the clubs and pubs here... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:04pm
Point of Interest:- The moment someone up there (Kazaly) comes up with the idea of lowering the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 or so ................... we'll let that one hang in the air until you catch up ........ ........... are you there yet? ... ................each and every one of you Fearless Crusaders For Poor Oppressed Aboriginal Rights instantly takes the position that this is against Aboriginal children criminals.
You need to consider why that is clearly the truth - I'll be back later to watch you squirm on this hook ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm lee wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 7:37pm:
Wrong: as explained to graps previously: Of course violent offenders should be locked up regardless of age. What the state does with them after they are locked up is another issue. And how to prevent crime by young offenders in the first place is another. I accept your concession. Quote:
Back to your egghead lawyer act. Some homeless are mentally ill, some manage best according to their own abilities by sleeping rough; others who may be renting "lead lives of quiet desperation" (in genteel poverty). Quote:
Try 'Les Miserables' by Victor Hugo? ...poverty, inequality, crime; and justice and transformation..... Quote:
See above: your blind, Conservative 'poverty is always with us' meme is exposed by keen observers of the human condition (Hugo of course much keener than Trump....). Note all the 'personal choices' which led to the reign of terror during the French Revolution.....the King was inclined to listen to his chief economic advisor who urged him to raise taxes on the aristocracy, but powerful aristocrats won the argument with the King, driven by their personal greed. Ouch, the King might have kept his head if he had listened to his wise economist, rather than the greedy "poverty is always with us' aristocrats. See how inadequate, constrained, and primitive your "personal responsibility' mantra is. Quote:
whartey is graps neologism for whites, do try to keep up. Quote:
Ok, you aren't dementing, just low IQ or fraudulent - whartey has nothing to do with different white races. Quote:
Rich people commit white collar crime, not out of necessity or socio-economic mileu, but out of greed or personal aggrandizement or some other sin/character flaw. It's an individual crime, in a rich community. No assumption, whatever his actual sin is; and the crime doesn't affect his rich neighbours who don't even know anything about the particular white collar crime (until he is exposed by the ATO or whomever). Different to crime in the poverty ghetto, where greed might motivate the top 'head-kicker' extorting money from those around him also living in poverty. Quote:
Low IQ; you forgot *necessity* and poor role models in a socio economic disadvantage milieu. Kids in rich families have a different set of issues to deal with, not related to economic deprivation. To repeat (since it didn't make it past past the gatekeepers of your blind, Conservative ideology: blind individual greed-related crime in wealthy communities is different to widespread crime in poverty ghettos Quote:
"It's the economy, stupid"? Guilty as charged. Lucky for you, you will never have to face the circumstances of the King, noted above, or life in a poverty ghetto. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:31pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 11:38am:
Which is? Immediately after I wrote: Of course violent offenders should be locked up regardless of age. What the state does with them after they are locked up is another issue. And how to prevent crime by young offenders in the first place is another. ...which you blithely ignored. So what is the issue re age of criminal responsibility? I have thoroughly debunked your 'personal responsibilty' mantra in my reply to the useful idiot lee, as he exposes his blind Conservative 'poverty is always with us' mantra. Quote:
Race? - not in my case (though Oz blacks ARE burdened by issues of culture as well as the economy which affects the rest of us); but your 'personal responsibility' ideology is rooted in the same blindness as Lee's 'poverty is always with us' ideology (which is why he's saying some poor people don't commit crime, therefore nothing to see re poverty and crime). Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:42pm SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 11:26am:
You have my sympathy... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:36pm
Well then - state your position clearly without all the usual runaround about the poor black remains in thrall to all the down-sides of civilisation etc..... stick to the subject without the hyperbole...
As for Kanga - the vitriol never begins with me - I'm just better at it than youse losers - most of my posts are on the subject unless you compel response to your silliness. What are the odds that the Northern Territory will make a deal with Arnhem Land to become the de facto Park up there (Kazaly), take in all the Aboriginal troublemakers, starting with the kids for whom there is some hope (10% or so), and re-larn them how to go about things proper, according to the Noble Aboriginal Proud Person ways - become persons of such integrity that nobody can call them losers.... and they can stand tall as grown men and women and say nobody can point the bone at them for being criminals or doing criminal things..... Anyone? Where else are they going to put all these kids first - then all the adults - other than in The Park or equivalent so that their Elders can set them on the True Paths Of Righteous Behaviour etc, re-educate them and get their minds right about responsible behaviour and ways to get ahead in life? Some people are doing that already up there (Kazaly), sort of an aquascoot thing with young fullahs and such being taught horse skills and cattle skills and such and getting a grip on what it feels like to EARN pride in their skills and abilities.... and BECOME someone in their own eyes and those of others..... you won't get that by continued affirmative action, soft soaping, supporting them in their victimhood mentality, and throwing handfuls of dollars at brick walls... They're gonna need a bigger aquascoot family ..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 8th, 2024 at 6:00pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
I never said anything about VIOLENT offenders. ::) You really are confusing issues. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
What did I concede? ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
And others might be living quite well. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Another explanation that only does to your pre-conceived notions. "may be renting etc. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Why is he "livin' the dream"? ;D ;D ;D ;D Pre=conceptions again. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
So now it is Hugo who knows all. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
"may have kept his head". You keep making claims that are not worth anything. ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Nope just your pre-conceived notions will fix everything. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
And it has never been mine. Do try to keep up. Answer my pieces not Graps. He is a big boy and can handle himself. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Have you got a link to that? So Melanesian's generally attacking Chinese is different? And I use Melanesian's widely like the Torres Strait Islander/ Cape York type. More Melanesian than Aboriginal. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm
"Oz blacks ARE burdened by issues of culture "
Ah, well - they'll just have to wear it then until they change their ways.... By jingo you get close to understanding at times - then you sort of drift off on some unicorn ride... blowing smoke as you go to cover your tracks... Is no culture of breaking laws - is no problem ..... feeding them on the idea that someone stole 'their land' and therefore they are 'owed' is not going to stop them stealing as a matter of 'taking back from whitey' - and thus creating their own problems.... I told you all that you luvvies are responsible..... now the states are turning against you all and finding their solutions...... half measures as usual..... no solid result - so it all starts over again once they return 'home' .... until they end up in adult prison. Now then Queensland's Park - that could go up somewhere in that enormous gifting on Cape York ... send 'em up and see if they play up under tribal laws and guidance..... "OK, Errol... Lionel... here's your two halves of the reward for educating this young man!" "Good, boss - here your two halves of this boy.... we teach him good but he don't listen, you know." "I understand. Thanks for the work." |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:54am lee wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Your low IQ: the topic is age of criminal reponsibility; and "do the crime, do the time". The public ARE concerned with the prevalence of violent (including youth) crime, expressed in the recent NT and Qld elections. Quote:
Ah ha - so you don't concede, proving you are incapable of presenting logical analysis in a debate, to wit: Of course violent offenders should be locked up regardless of age. What the state does with them after they are locked up is another issue. And how to prevent crime by young offenders in the first place is another. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:32pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 9:06pm:
Correct - but again, your 'personal responsibility' mantra denies the power of a specific culture on the human psyche (on those in the said culture). Not everyone can free himself from that power. Quote:
Nah: the UN Universal DHR - addressing issues beyond specific "culture" - is intended to apply to ALL of us. Quote:
The current most egregious law breakers in the world are Netanyahu and Putin, with Gaza reduced to rubble and a million dead soldiers (plus civilians) on both sides in Ukraine. (Hamas - also criminals, are a reaction to the land grab in Palestine by the UN; while Putin is reacting to NATO's eastward expansion). Quote:
Like Hamas, they can't accept the fact their land WAS stolen (in their eyes); but the real issue (in Oz) today is black youth crime is mainly a function of community dysfunction in poverty ghettos. Quote:
And you are still wrong, as explained again, above. [Ironic: lee says he isn't referring to violent crime; while you are bemoaning the 'luvvies" approach to crime]. Quote:
Correct; but what are these "half measures" compared to what Crisafulli has in mind, since he intends to lock'em up. What is the "full measure" required, and how will locking them up break the cycle of crime? Quote:
Apartheid isn't acceptable in the modern world, and neither Price nor Pearson - community leaders - will accept it. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 11th, 2024 at 1:32pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:54am:
And it is not something I addressed. Talk about low IQ's. ;D ;D ;D ;D So no incarceration for nonviolent rock or brick throwing, none for non-violent home invasion. ::) BTW- you forgot an important part of a quote you accurately described. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:35am:
You do understand YOU, don't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 11:54am:
Well, it has stopped you from presenting logical analysis in a debate. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:17pm
Well - it looks - after the $200,000 trashing of the new facility up there (Kazaly) within half an hour of arrival of the fresh crop of convicted of serious crimes youth inmates - that they have zero intention of abiding by any Wharte Man's Laws and ways of getting along, and are totally unprepared to learn but prefer a future of endless revolving door imprisonment. They've declared war, are being advised on their course of action, their 'resistance', by the adults and 'elders', and you silly buggars are sleeping while it goes on.
The only real solution is their own Homeland - The Park - no other choice if they continue down this path - other than gulags.... I think The Park and full independence - separate sovereignty complete inside The Park and their 'own ways' - is the far softer option than gulags in the desert with one truckload of supplies a week - after all - they live off the land, don't they? You know what all the Hate Team here hate most? When I offer these Recalcitrants what they claim to want - with every single bell and whistle - at which point, instead of applauding the offer of Aboriginal Sovereignty in their own separate state/nation as THEY demand - their very own chosen Apartheid - the screams are of 'segregation'. Well - it's not 'segregation' because they are living in their own Homeland and are not Australian citizens any more and are totally responsible for themselves .... there is no possible concept of 'separate but equal' for two different sovereign nations...... but, of course, the biggest problem is that all the Hate Team know, in their hearts of darkness - that most of those who choose to live 'their way' in The Park won't survive two years there...... So - time to make some real choices....... be part of Australia and act as full and responsible citizens - or move to The Park under your own government. They're stealing the cents, They're stealing the funding Of the people who LIVE there... With that big ol' chief They'll find no relief, He'll pilfer the funds Of the people who LIVE there.... Big house on the hill Aircon that's so chill He'll need all the cash Of the people who LIVE there.... That big Silverback Will cut 'em no slack He'll keep all the cash Of the people who LIVE there... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:11pm lee wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 1:32pm:
But you MUST address it, if you want to be relevant in this thread. Quote:
Er...these ARE violent acts when harm to the victims of the crime is involved. Hence the current outrage among the public in NT and Qld. Quote:
I have never taught black youth their crime is "whartey's fault"; on the contrary, I am exposing the nation's dysfunctional macro-economics which is responsible for entrenched welfare dependency, particularly egregious in the case of blacks with their added 'cultural' burden (dealing with the eclipse of their culture). Quote:
Refuted above, your capacity for analysis is hopelessly crippled, as outlined above. eg: "YOU" (highlighted above)..... ffs...... accusing me of teaching them the destruction of their culture is "whitey's fault", thereby giving permission to commit crime. The destruction of their hunter-gatherer culture, and its eventual eclipse, is a fact of history which they will have to accept. But they don't have to accept high rates of welfare dependency and poverty - and the 'gap' - which are associated with high rates of crime, ie, high rates of poverty imposed on them by a dysfunctional macro-economic system. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 11th, 2024 at 8:07pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
No petal I don't. It is just YOU want me to. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
So it is not violent if they don't hit people. Things CAN be violent even when no harm is caused. How about if it is only trauma? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
You have never "taught" anything. There fixed it for you. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
Oh Dear, I hit a nerve. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
So going to work for yourself is not an option for them, until such time as you give them all. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 13th, 2024 at 2:26pm
Why does everyone think this is an anti-Abo thing? It's another law that covers all....... (heh, heh ... bear trap laid for the unwary - walk right in) ...
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:28am lee wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
So continue to ignore the causes of crime, halfwit. Quote:
Halfwit: ask the people in the NT and Qld... who are outraged by the curent level of youth crime, and voted on their concerns. Quote:
Dementing halfwit, you inferred I was "teaching" them to commit crime. Quote:
Halfwit: I exposed YOUR mindless refusal to examine causes. Quote:
Halfwit: Bullock - with her NAIRU fantasy - currently determines total employment in the economy. Those least able to compete in her beloved neoliberal jobmarket are the cannon fodder necessary to keep the rotten system alive. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:30am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 2:26pm:
I'll play: who thinks that? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 14th, 2024 at 3:34pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:28am:
No dear causes of crime and criminal responsibility are entirely different beings. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:28am:
So you don't know if trauma is violence. Thanks for that. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:28am:
No I inferred that was the only way they would learn it was "whartey's fault". Another different intedrpretation from you. Your not very good are you? ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:28am:
Because the tread is about the AGE of criminal responsibility, not the CAUSES of criminal resonsibility. Do try to keep up. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:28am:
You are showing your biases again. Must be a Keen factor. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Valkie on Nov 14th, 2024 at 4:23pm
The only real cure is the three strikes rule.
1st time, chastise 2nd time, incarcerate 3rd time , removal from the human race. And not just for aboriginals. aaALL CRIMINALS REGARDLESS OF RACE, RELIGION OR COLOUR. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 14th, 2024 at 4:57pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 10:30am:
Sidestep as big as the Harbour Bridge... why - that bloke who quit his lucrative job up there (Kazaly) in protest at this terrible thing being done to Aboriginal kids... and a host of others including all the luvvie bodies up there (Kazaly) ... though I suppose those throwing spears at others of the same ethnicity is nothing to worry about.... shouldn't have brought a machete to a spear fight... ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 14th, 2024 at 5:08pm
**coughs** so now we're not going for a separate voice or a Voice by Stealth - we're just working out how to have every single thing related to Aborigines treated separately under Apartheid or segregated rules..... and all by adding to the number of bodies they have already to voice their views...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Jeez - many of you are plain dumb... or deliberately obtuse.... Good Socialists ... just doing the right thing .... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 15th, 2024 at 10:14am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 13th, 2024 at 2:26pm:
You're not that clever dumb ass and while there was no doubt, it's nice to see another admission of why you're here... So much for the issues. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am lee wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 3:34pm:
Someone from a low socio-economic/welfare dependent background steals a car, forcing the owner out. Note: rich people don't steal cars in this fashion. Obviously the responsibilty for this crime is related to the causes of poverty-related crime. So we ned to consider the causes of this poverty-related crime, and it relates to crimimal rsponsibility. Quote:
I'm sure if you were subject to a car-hijacking, YOU would quickly find out whether trauma is violence. Quote:
ie, if I "taught" them it was whartey's fault; you are dementing, not a matter of interpretation. Quote:
See above: you are exposed as a half-wit. The age is moot: the trauma is the same if your car is stolen at knife point. Quote:
Bullock is displaying the ultimate bias with her obsolete and destructive NAIRU dogma. ...while you are simple-mindedly telling the unemployed to employ themselves, to escape welfare dependency. Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:16am Valkie wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
The death penalty doesn't stop crime. Better to remove systemic (macroeconomc) causes of crime. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:27am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
Crime, and age of criminal responsibility.....it's not an "anti- abo" thing, and "everyone" isn't thinking it is. Do try to keep up. Quote:
Well, black kids ARE suffering from the gap including high incarceration rates - an injustice based on race. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:38pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am:
Being poor, living in poverty does not lead to stealing cars. That comes from their apparent - "I want a car, they have a car, I will take the car". Being poor does not mean you have a right to other people's things. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am:
But you don't want to say. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am:
Then the fault would be yours pet. Live with it. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am:
But the criminal responsibility isn't. You really are thick. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am:
Yes you are. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 15th, 2024 at 1:51pm
Well - every 'caring' group in the NT thinks the new laws are against Abos and impact on them more... in South Australia the new regulations on public behaviour are impacting more on Abos - and people are resigning from government positions in protest over the impact on Abos ....
Clearly they think it is against Abos. Makes The Park look like a walk in the park, eh? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Half-wit, educate yourself (though probably impossible for "deplorables"...) eg, What is the correlation between crime and poverty? The Relationship Between Poverty and Crime | NCC Although numerous factors play a role, there is a consensus based on evidence that poverty significantly increases the risk of criminal behavior. Understanding this relationship is crucial for creating effective policies and intervention strategies aimed at reducing crime rates and alleviating poverty at the same time.30 Oct 2024 Quote:
Correct; but this rare instance of your being correct has resulted from your initial GIGO ideation: poverty IS associated with crime. Quote:
I can assure you car hijacking is traumatic for the victim. Quote:
Halfwit, incapable of logical analysis; you accused me "teaching them its whitey's fault". But "it's the ecomomy, halfwit"... not "we smashed their culture" (Keating ) which began with the arrival of the First Fleet . Quote:
But the criminal responsibility isn't. You really are thick. ::)[/quote] Halfwit: crime is associated with poverty, regardless of age. Quote:
You blind "poverty is always with us" ideology is exposed in this thread. Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:14pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
Correct, because they like you are blind to the policies needed to close the gap. Fiddling around with "age of criminal responsibility" merely illustrates their blindness. Quote:
Correct: see above; Labor ruled by neoclassical economists will never close the gap. Quote:
Yes. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:47pm
Round and round you go, you snarky little thing, you.
Keep trying.... meanwhile - at least you admit all those 'caring' bodies think it's against the Abos..... but seriously - it's only against those who commit serious crimes, no? Man you are in deep - now you reckon even the luvvies are so far to the right and so deep in error that everyone but you is wrong! Have you considered psychiatric help? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 16th, 2024 at 1:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
So now poverty as well as coming from broken homes, being a part of the stolen generation etc, makes it perfectly alright to steal property that others have paid for; like cars, i-phones, laptops, tv's etc. Being poor may make it alright to steal food, the rest? Definitely not. That you can't see that is telling. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
And nowhere have I said it didn't. As you youself said "your being correct has resulted from your initial GIGO ideation". So my initial ideation was correct, because I am correct as a result of it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
But was it violent? thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:07am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
So now you want to truncate what I said, to ignore the "if". If that is an example of your "logical analysis" it is fatally flawed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
But I reiterate "Criminal Responsibility" is different. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
Ah. You mean poverty is not always with us? Please show where this nirvana exists in the real world. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 18th, 2024 at 11:10am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
Even after I agreed with your three points, and explained why I agreed with them.... "It's the economy, stupid". Quote:
Correct (...again!): but 'Tough on Crime' ideology ignores the corelation between poverty and high rates of crime. Quote:
Correct (more ot less...for the sake of the argument); see above. Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm lee wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 1:58pm:
I can assure you it often is.....the fact you need to ask is telling - an indication of low IQ - or an ideologically-crippled brain. Quote:
Cor blimey, your self-deception is something to behold: you have identied "if" as your escape word; I have never taught blacks they have an excuse to commit crime because whites' smashed their culture (as Keating said), the issue is how to fix the high poverty rate and correlated crime rates NOW. Quote:
Halfwit: poverty IS correlated with high crime rates (which you "have never denied" (sic) ; so criminal responsibility is also related to poverty. Quote:
Ah-ha; so poverty and war is merely part of the human condition. Classic brain-dead Conservatism. Hint: there is no actual scarcity of essential resources (to prevent eradication of poverty) in the modern AI and IT assisted economy. The problem is the mal-distribution of those resources, as determinded by obsolete neoclassical economic dogma. (The solo bootmaker competing to make boots in 'invisible hand' markets doesn't exist anymore in the modern global supply-chain economy). |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 18th, 2024 at 2:14pm
Where did I ever mention 'tough on crime'?
I'm the one looking for answers here - one of which may be separating the criminals from their roots so as to alter their social conditioning - too late for most already ............................ (distant thunder) ....... maybe 10% are worth saving... Once a child has grown into the way of life of the criminal, from a background that encourages and teaches that - and who else would teach those youngsters to throw spears at one another in earnest and with considerable training - how will that child ever become anything else .... especially when the alternative avenues of socialisation, such as school and proper interaction in a mature way ... are not only ignored but actively put aside as being The Way Of The Enemy. Driving the Old Girl to the hospie today for her heart monitor - and an ODS (Obligatory Dopey Sheila- two throttle settings - 0 or full on) went past us like a rocket sled on rails right up to the car in front of her in the flow....... my heroine ... SHE felt no obligation to abide by rules set up by mere MEN or drive the way MEN consider reasonable .... speed limits PTUI!! Same here - these kids REFUSE, upon being indoctrinated that way - to accept The White Man's Way, but are, instead, indoctrinated into the way of permanent demanding and whining and victimhood until they are given things for free from The Cargo Cult. Don't try to tell me those kids transported to Darwin to a brand new (Labor type) facility, who trashed it in the first half hour - were not TOLD to do just that in their WAR on Whartey as the Fearless Warriors they are in The Resistance. Australia has to realise that these groups have declared war on it and on us all..... using these kids as their - not even cannon fodder because they are molly-coddled until they commit a series of serious crimes or kill someone - front line troops attacking and stealing from The White Man's Way and refusing schooling The White Man's Way etc..... you cannot convince me that their 'elders' and 'parents' - who clearly do nothing to stop this - are not actively encouraging it. Heads in the sand - bleach in the eyes - go for it... I'm Telling You So Right Now! You are allowing and paying for an enemy within - when you should be looking at a Two State Solution - where both can do their own thing without interference from the other..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 18th, 2024 at 3:53pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
It has nothing to do with the age of criminal responsibility. The topic of this thread. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
Once again you misquote. That is why no-one takes you seriously. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
So it often is, which makes it sometimes not. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
They do not have an excuse. You really can't discern between "wants" and "needs". Until such time as you can you are really a waste of time and space. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
The thread is about the AGE of criminal responsibility. Something you try studipously to ignore. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
Can you show where it has never been that way? Boy talk about dumb. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
You forgot to add those dictators who just believe might is right. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:00pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 2:14pm:
The 'tough on crime' approach is the alternative to the 'luvvy Left' approach to crime, which you despise. Quote:
Wishy-washy: and you are already down to "10% worth saving". Quote:
And you have to understand WHY the child is in that situation, before you can fix the problem. Now - back to lee, whose blind ideology and low IQ combine to render him incapable of understanding WHY the child is in that situation.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm lee wrote on Nov 18th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Crippled Conservative brain, incapable of examining correlations (eg between poverty and crime), and also incapable of examining the causes of crime and the consequent debate re age of criminal responsibility. Quote:
Crippled Conservative egg-head lawyer brain: show how "you don't have a right to take other peoples' things" is a "misquote" of what you said. That will be fun to watch... Quote:
Low IQ attempt at egghead lawyer act; the point is the public are outraged by youth crime, while lawyers, aided and abetted by ignorant politicians, drum up business in courts via diversions such as 'age of criminal responsibility'. Quote:
ie, because whartey smashed their culture beginning in 1788.....correct; but the question is how to fix the high crime rates among blacks now. Quote:
Crippled, low IQ brain. They want their culture back, which is impossible; and they need above-poverty participation in the economy, which is what we all need. Quote:
Explained at the top, not ignored: interconnectedness of poverty (and its causes) , crime (and its causes), and 'age of criminal responsibility'. Even graps has a better understanding of these things: Graps: " Once a child has grown into the way of life of the criminal, from a background that encourages and teaches that - Quote:
The crippled Conservative brain extraordinaire: no vision, and no desire to support the UNUDHR (created in 1948, which is a marker of progress on the path from barbarity to a half-decent human civilization..) Quote:
Crippled, low IQ Conservative brain, not capable of addressing the point made, so diverts to a Libertarian fantasy of volutary agreement among self-interested individuals, with poverty (and war) being a natural state. A deplorable diversion from a member of the species 'homo sapiens' - more like 'homo ignoramus'... Have another shot at addressing it: The problem is the mal-distribution of (available) resources, as determinded by obsolete neoclassical economic dogma. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 19th, 2024 at 2:18pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
So why is it only SOME people that live in poverty, don't steal? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
{erhaps you can find the quote you allege. I am not interested enough in your Bullschist. ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
So now you speak for everyone. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
So tell us. Fix it if it is so easy. But you can't. You want everyone else to do it. :o thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
So if it is impossible, just what the hell are you bleating about. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Ah. poor petal. old before their time. Doing something he admits is impossible. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
You haven't made a point. You seem to think dictators and warlords will live in peace. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
Back to the Keen mantra. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm lee wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 2:18pm:
Crippled, low IQ brain asks dumb questions: not all people in poverty commit crimes because poverty has numerous causes, some of which don't lead to crime, just to "quiet desperation", or some other non-violent mode of living. Quote:
You despicable fraud, you claimed I "misquoted" you, and you are too cowardly to show how I misquoted you. ..The ugly Conservative in all his fraudulence... Quote:
Unlike you, I speak for rationality and reason, you hide behind fraud, and ignorance. Listen up: we all need to participate in the ecomomy via above-poverty employment, since an above-poverty UBI is beyond the resources of the state. The governmment has the responsibility to ensure everyone so participates, according to his ability. Quote:
You a late blow-in to this thread? The government has to replace poverty-level welfare dependency (aka 'the poverty industry' or 'the safety net') with universal above poverty employment. Which means job-creation by the government, when the neoliberal competitive market fails to employ everyone. (See the Job Guarantee proposal. https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false. Quote:
Deliberate fraud, or just low IQ? Regardless of attachment to anachronistic 'culture' (a Conservative specialty), we have to close the gap; which will require reducing unemployment among blacks to the same level as the non-black population - which IS possible. Quote:
Non-sequitur: 1948 is yesterday compared with the 'might is right' instinctive barbarity of the last 10,000 years, before the age of MAD forced men to consider the need for international law, an ongoing project. Quote:
Explained to the village idiot, above. Quote:
You persist with the non sequitur; I'm addressing the matter of fair resource mobilization** in our time, in Oz, when AI and IT has removed the need to compete (via criminal conflict, or enforced welfare dependency) for the essentials of life. **note for your blind Conservative brain: NOT "equality of outcome". Cease your silly diversion to what "dictators and warlords" think. Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:39pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
So they are poor and don't commit crimes. Thank you. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
I found it. But please tell us how being poor leads to stealing cars. It is a voluntary act. No-one is forced to do it. I am poor, I WANT a car, I will steal a car. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
So rationally you tell me Aboriginal Cilture is impossible, but it still is anyway. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Oh is that all. All paid with someone elses money. You are the fraud. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
And yet you can't show it false. Fraud. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
You were the on said Aboriginal culture was smashed, therefore it is impossible fix. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
You shoudldn't degrade yourself so. I am sure there is a tiny spark somewhere. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Oh Bullshcist. AI is at the kindergarten level, YOUR level. IT has made it harder to compete. Otherwise you would be a programmer. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Poor deluded fool. Shows his complete lack of knowledge. You don't need no edumucation, you know things. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:41pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
I will make it obvious for why my situation is not all that unique. I have a lazy set of parents. Both retired before retirement age, because they thought that they were entitled to taxpayer funds. Yes and no. The thing is, neither of them deserve the retirement pension any more than someone like me. I wish I could be paid $800 a week to sit on my arse and bellyache about how my son refuses to get a job because he is "so selfish". The other week, I felt like wheeling the groceries out the door and down to the ramp and walking the trolley home to my place, just because I only had a few hundred in the bank account. Luckily, I could afford the $120 of groceries for the fortnight. I bought 8 litres of light milk for my coffee and breakfast cereal, because I had to throw out the curdling milk from the previous week. I skipped paying rent last fortnight because I just could not afford to pay my phone bill and my food bill at the same time without risking the EFTPOS machine laughing at me at the Post Office. I also get bullied by co-workers who think that a 45-year-old is too old to be working among those that are average aged 20 to 25 years old. And yet, I am the one whom gets reprimanded for defending myself and even trying to lighten the mood. I would have offed myself a long time ago. Except that it goes against my culture and ethnicity to do so. I am Anglo-Celtic and a Rockhampton-born and raised person. We don't steal what other people have worked hard to legitimately get. I'm not a bad looking person for my age. I just have to refine myself to be better at what I do, so that I can be somewhat rich by the time I am 75 years of age -- if I live that long. I am the rough diamond that has been chipped away by life experiences. A dyslexic father and a pill-popping mother whom I have looked after since I turned 14 years of age, ever since I figured out that I was considerably smarter than both of them. It is that kind of disposition I have that has kept me relevant. But sometimes I wonder if I die prematurely, that my funeral will consist of my father sobbing like an arsehole, hoping that one of my illegitimate daughters will come over to give Dad a hug -- so that he could surreptitiously give his unacquainted granddaughter a grope. But, that is just an opinion. My community love me, and I appreciate their efforts to keep me viable. That is why I am impoverished and do not steal. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:32pm
I see - now we have an Specified Ethnic Group (SEG) Poverty that provides relief by theft and violence without equal attention from law and its proponents, and which is very specific to the group under discussion.... all others Excluded™/Get Out Of Jail Free for the specified groups, total law enforcement dumping on 'the others'.
So in order to attain Accredited Poverty Group status and thus freedom from criminal responsibility, one needs to be born into a separate specified group, live the life, and be accepted by the ethnic group - or under the current fules and fegulations - simply identify as belonging to that group, and all the manna from heaven will flow - the simple egalitarian justice of your group being singled out for special treatment amounting to lack of personal responsibility and even reward for any wrongdoing will become the order of the day based on your ethnic group. This, of course, is not to be defined as division, separation, Apartheid, discrimination or anything else, but as the True Workings Of Democracy Of Equals.... a new form of Positive Discrimination to overcome disaster.... sort of an extra $200k tax free for the new 'governor-general' for not having served and thus having the opportunity to accrue a military pension.... Amazing that minds even think that way in 2024... thank Dog for Albo having brought to the Australian people's attention that there are things wrong that need fixing and that We, The People actually have a Voice with which to say NO! ........... in shocking news..... today it was announced that an International Men's Day will come into play..... additionally the requirement was put on the OzGuvCo to install a Minister for Men's Health and Welfare/Well-being ......... this comes on the heels of the movement to finally get rid of all the wrongs ofAustralia, such as special treatment for specified groups, and the call being out for the end, finally, of Affirmative Action ... with the requirement being that men must be treated equally in terms of opportunities, employment, scholarships and so forth ..... other issues that are on the chopping block are the myths of transgenderism, the cutting of kids, discipline of school kids, and of course the removal of social media for those under 16 and its pernicious influence and effects on young and malleable and sappy minds ........... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm lee wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 4:39pm:
Some, not "they" (inferring all); you just made the classic Conservative fallacy of composition, based on misunderstanding the individual versus collective dichotomy. Quote:
Continuing with your superficial, low IQ Conservative anaylsis; considerations of personal responsiblity, poverty, crime and its causes, and relation to criminal responsibility must all be considered, to fix the problem. Quote:
One course of action, but you will cause trauma in the victim, and likely end up before a court; you don't have a 'right' to steal the car. Meantime the government ought to be looking into WHY you are uncomfortably poor (and considering stealing a car), to see if it's a systemic socio-economic problem. Quote:
(sigh) The eclipsed h-g culture with which the black (and white) activists are enamoured, still exists in the MINDS of the activists. Meanwhile the unfortunate ones are condemned to poverty-level welfare dependency...and the gap. Quote:
Note: it's all about resource management by government, acting alongside the free market's 'invisible hand' allocation of resources. ie, the government doesn't need your money - it's created out of thin air (in private banks according to current orthodoxy); the government needs to authorize its own currency-issuing Treasury to issue the stuff for free as required (provided the needed resources are available for purchase by the government), and manage interest rates and inflation with price controls, not the unelected eggheads at the Reverse Bank. Quote:
I just did (above), as she does in her book. Quote:
also previously addressed - again for the dummies: the economic system of the black culture was smashed, yet the activists want to preserve black culture, which is impossible because an economic system is an integral part of the culture. The ancient h-g economy ("the world's oldest living culture") has been replaced in the modern world with a money-based economy increasingly powered by robots and AI. Quote:
Well, apparently this discussion is above your paygrade; others might learn something. Quote:
Robots are producing many goods these days, and AI is already aiding services delivery. A four day week is coming... But you are still ignoring the *fair* distribution of essential resources, regardless of the wonderful IT and AI advances which have already overcome scarcity of the essentials of life. These days nations are increasingly fighting over market access to consumers in other nations, not fighting one another over access to scarce resources. Quote:
It's mirror time..... Even the Bank of England confirmed (google it) money is created ex nihilo in banks when they write loans for (hopefully) credit-worthy customers. National Treasuries are backed by the nation's productive capacity, so can also create money as required, if the resources are available for purchase (by the government). In conclusion: it's time to get rid of poverty-level, systems-ordained welfare dependency, and stop arguing over the 'age of criminal responsibiliy'. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:23pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
No SOME being more than ONE, makes them a "they". Doofus ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
So you still can't discern the difference between "wants" and "needs". Not my problem. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
Hooray. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
Because the Gummint should give free cars for all, until they need a tank of juice. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
And that alspo doesn't make it my problem. Let the activists donate there own money, instead of invoking Gummint. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
Until such time as all "resources" are no longer. Doofus. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
And not the unelected tgd's or Keen etc. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
She "shows" it? Where is this nirvana where it is practised? The only proof is where it has been done on a large scale. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
The black culture had no economic system. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
But not from you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
Robots can do SOME things. And very specific things. AI is aiding service delivery? So AI does not do anything of itself, it only does what it has been taught. And even then it depends on the quality of training. But that is probably too deep for you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
Not because of productivity, dummy. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
Which scarcities of the essentials of life? What exactly are they? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 20th, 2024 at 8:23am
thegreatdivide, you should watch NITV documentaries. They had a program about remote indigenous Australian communities and what they had to go through.
"Essentials of life" do not include Coca-Cola or cigarettes. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:12pm
'individual versus collective' ... methinks The People here have spoken...
How's your People's Hero modern UN with every guttersnipe radical nation as 'member' going with resolving the problems caused by the Arabs of Gaza and in Hezbollah? Still imagining that finally coming to the Israeli idea of a Two State Solution, but with added fringes - specifically that the poor wee Gazans and Hezballites be left alone to re-arm without supervision and become the naughty kids on the block all over again? Israel must essentially give up the fight it didn't start now that it's winning and near won? And your kind blame Israel for not accepting a 'Two State Solution' which leaves the criminal murderers ready to start all over again, and nobody even looking over their shoulder from the mighty UN - one for all, eh?. Kinda reminds you of some things here, eh? Wanting all the trappings of a Two State Solution Without Borders and - in true parasitic fashion, within the walls of the Big, Rich State and not alone within their own hand-built social and physical walls - while demanding all the Rights of the One State, specifically all benefits of it, be handed to them free. Separate Sovereignty - demand for their own State - all out of your back pocket. You couldn't write this kind of thing into a Voice proposal..... 8-) you'd have to sneak it in ................ 8-) 8-) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:19pm
Now - on the subject of lowering the age of criminal responsibility ...... we all know that the sovereign choice to refuse to leave a culture of poverty and desperation is not a direct cause of crime - systematic crime needs serious application from the emerging criminal .... and takes a lot of study and research ..... peer group pressure ... serious input from 'elders' and 'parents' other than instilling in youngsters the idea that they are 'fearless warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance or something and are Entitled™ to anything they can get from Whartey who took everything from them... then, of course, such ideas instilled into them at a young age are intractable, and lead to never-ending violence the 'traditional' ways of just taking stuff, attacking anyone who objects, spear chucking at other groups and hammering the missus .....
Now .... for a SOLUTION ......... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:04pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:19pm:
Go on... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm lee wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
Low IQ: "they" ("the people") is more than SOME who are more than One. Quote:
Low IQ (or deliberate fraud) , you changed the reference: people want to maintain their culture, even they if don't need to maintain it, indeed should not maintain it, in the modern world. And some people (notice - "some") might WANT to steal cars, even if they dont need to (to survive). Quote:
Not fraud, just low IQ reinforced by blind Conservative ideology. The government should NOT give free cars for all, though it should provide goood public transport. But it SHOULD be dealing with, and fixing, the systemic causes of youth crime, despite the fact blind Conservatives lie you don't do causes. Quote:
1. the activists don't have enough money to fix the nacroeconomic problems which reinforce attachment to an obsolete culture. 2. high rates of systemic youth crime ARE your - and the community's problem, even if your own house hasn't been vandalized yet (and assuming you haven't resorted to living in a 'gated' community, to live in a fantasy, secure, Conservative world). Quote:
Ouch - your low IQ is painful to behold: food is a renewable resource, energy will soon be a renewable resource, housing materials are renewable (timber) or recyclable, and other essential goods and services are increasingly made out of elements which can be recycled. Quote:
Well, the Bank of England does agree with Keen that money is created ex nihilo. So ...back to resources..... Quote:
She is saying what should be done, given lack of money isn't the problem (since the supply of money is infinite, like points awarded on a score board for a goal), resource distribution is the problem. Quote:
Low IQ/rigid Conserative conception: The h-g economy is an economy; ie supply of, and distribution of the essentials for life. Quote:
Above your paygrade to judge. Quote:
Correct: the most profitable motor company in the US - Tesla - has almost no workers, a big change from Henry Ford's famous 'production line' invention requiring thousands of workers. Quote:
Yes: lawyers and all kinds of services are increasinly employng AI. Quote:
Correct; and once taught, AI turns out reports eg, typically needed by lawers, meaning only specific details need to be added to legal documents, in the particular cases of frequently delivered services. Quote:
Already addressed above. Quote:
Er...the more robots and AI, the fewer workers needed. Quote:
There are NO scarcities of the essentials of life: food, housing, essential services, essential utilities, etc. The problem is the distribution of goods and services, which are created from available resources. See the UN's 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) for the eradication of poverty. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 8:23am:
Indeed. Another vital function of government is education, even in the face of the greedy, profit-seeking junk-food merchants who have no regard for the health of their customers. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:01pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
You have already lost when you try semantics. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
People want to steal cars. They don't need to steal cars. Do try to stay on track. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
So the rest need to steal cars? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
So stealing cars is a systemic failure? Got it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
That's why they beg, cry and gnash teeth for Other People's Money. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
And paying them not to is the solution. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
Food is a renewable resource -YES. And it is increasing ot decreasing. Not a scarcity. Energy is NOT a renewable resource. It takes fossil fuels to make the panels, it takes fossil fuels to make the fibreglass. And they are ALWAYS intermittent, which means they may not be there when needed. Even though power is essential in many things. Relibale power for glassmaking, steel making, turbine manufacturing. Lithium is very dangerous to recycle. A recent lithium recycling factory went up in flames. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
Timber is renewable, However they have relatively long growing times. And greenies oppose logging. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
And yet you haven't provided proof of this. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
And the Bank of England is technically broke. " The Bank of England, like other Central Banks, is a weird entity, in that it can, if it wants create money. We saw that through the QE programmes, through which it acquired large portfolios of Government Bonds – known as guilts. The program ran from 2009 to 2022 and was designed to improve financing conditions for companies hit by the 2008 financial crisis. It saw the BOE accrue £895 billion worth of bond holdings while interest rates were historically low. However, the pace at which the central bank has had to tighten monetary policy in a bid to tame inflation means the costs have risen more sharply than anticipated. Higher rates have driven down the value of the purchased government bonds — known as gilts — just as the BOE began selling them at a loss because bond yields have changed significantly, rising fast as prices fall (as yields and prices work in opposite directions). The central bank began unwinding that position late last year, initially through halting reinvestments of maturing assets and then by actively selling the bonds at a projected pace of £80 billion per year from October 2022. Both the Treasury and the BOE knew when the APF was implemented that its early profits (£123.8 billion as of September last year) would become losses as interest rates rose. Now according to Deutsche Bank, the Bank of England’s losses on bonds bought to shore up the U.K. economy after the financial crisis will be “materially higher than projected until the middle of the decad”. https://digitalfinanceanalytics.com/blog/is-the-bank-of-england-broke-and-does-it-matter/ So the Government will cover the banks losses? A lovely fiscal roundabout. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
See now you have backtracked. "It Should be done" is different to "it can be done" or even "it has been done". Academia is full of air fried lefties. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D tbc |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:23pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
I'm not judging you for your qualities, few as they are. It's your arguments I judge. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
And nothing to do with backroom staff that keeps the robots running. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
Well that's comforting. Lawyers eh? So more than law and torts these days? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But a small sample size in the scheme of things. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
Ah, so it is only of use in a very small percentage of their work, merely used to disemploy interns. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
No you haven't. AI is held captive by the "teachers" biases. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
ONLY for as long as the robots work, then you need skills, workers. You are using a very small sample size for the explosion in AI users, and how much they actually use them. Have these users, who goy rid of their interns because AI could do the job, actuall lowered costs? If not it is a furphy of being cheaper. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
So basically there were no scarcities to overcome. Thank you. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
Which is of course a different argument that what you were trying to project. The problem is not the system, but the corrupt politicians in many countries. :'( thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
So how do they plan on removing the dictators and warlords? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:24pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
'The People'..... speak like a contending rabble, each individual (of the collective: "The People") voicing a view based on his own self-regard/self-interest. Hence the need for rule of law Quote:
I've already told you a thousand times: re the highlighted - it's going awfully, and I've already told you a thousand times WHY its going awfully (ie, the UNSC veto, mostly) Quote:
To repeat - again: The UN needs to enforce its own laws, in this case UN res 181, and deal with the contending nutjobs on either side of the dispute, namely, "Promised Land" zionist ideologues on one side, and Islamic jihardists on the other side. Understand? Oh I forgot: you are a delusional individual rights/freedoms ideologue who rejects rule of law which is necessary to adjudicate (and keep the peace) between contending ideological nut-jobs. Quote:
The UN in its wisdom decided to confiscate half of the Palestine Mandate to create Israel; naturally, Islam (being backward) wasn't conducive to "infidels" taking half their land.... Meanwhile, the Arab League nations have 'modernized' somewhat (apart from the jihad nut jobs in Iran) - 75 years later - are generally amenable to a 2-state solution. And now it's the turn of the "greater Israel' nut-jobs in the RW Israeli government who want ALL of the former Palestine Mandate lands..... Deplorable... Quote:
1. Oz blacks were displaced - and they are angry; Palestinians in the Palestine Mandate Lands were displaced, and they are angry. 2. Some Oz blacks are proposing a 'dual sovereignty' in ONE land (impossible); whereas Palestinians (at least those who have accepted Israel's "right" to exist, as proposed by UN res 181) are proposing TWO sovereign states - possible, and indeed it is interntonal law, ie, UN res 181. Spot the difference? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:34pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
And yet the participation rate is too low. Now how to correct that? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:23pm:
The problem here being your crippled Conservative brain; to wit: Quote:
Low IQ, they number 1/1000th of the workers required to man Ford's production line in the model T days. Quote:
Yes it is comforting; suck it up, the days of slavery and systemic poverty due to mal-distribution of resources (goods and services) can no longer be defended, even by blind 'poverty is always with us' Conservatives. Quote:
Dummy - google: " how is AI used in health, education, everyday life, and more; each category reveals a host of ways in which AI is used today. Quote:
See above : educate yourself. Quote:
Low IQ... though probably fraudulent: I perceive you are arguing for the sake of it, logic be damned... Robots work 24/7, apart from maintenance time. Quote:
Like I said, educate yourself about AI and IT. The reason we have a cost of living crisis today is obsolete, greed-based neoclassical economics. Quote:
Hard to tell if that's low IQ, or fraud. Once upon a time, slaves were eg, forced to dig wanted ores out of the ground, making the resources "scarce" ie dependent on violent coercion of slaves, to extract them. Now there is now "scarcity", as machines do the work. Quote:
Wrong again: politicians are corrupted by the current vicious, obsolete neclassical 'scarcity' orthodoxy ('scarcity in the face of inlimited wants'). Resource distribution is a political choice, not determined by natural (physical) law. Quote:
That - like the development of international law - is an ongoing project, which hopefully men of goodwill will bring to fruition before the species destroys itself in the age of MAD. eg, is AGW-CO2 real (apart from warlords)? tik-tok-tik-tok.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:17pm lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
End the obsolete neoclassical - 'NAIRU' - culture of welfare dependency, as a 'safety net'. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:26pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
So take the kids out of the classroom before they go in. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
And you reference for this? ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
So lawyers are the champions of the poor. Who knew? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Let's see- "Alexa, Google Assistant, and Siri are just a few examples of AI-powered virtual assistants that help us with various tasks, such as setting reminders, sending messages, and controlling smart home devices." speech to text, whatever will they think of next, Speech to text? "Many companies use AI-powered chatbots to provide customer support, helping to answer common questions and resolve issues in a more efficient and effective manner." Wow, they can sometimes correctly guess a question being asked and provide the correct answer. ;D ;D ;D ;D "Chatbots can be integrated with websites, social media, and messaging apps to provide personalized customer experiences." ooh, personalised. Gotta get the suckers in. ;D ;D ;D ;D "Telemedicine is revolutionizing the healthcare industry by using AI-powered virtual consultations to reduce wait times and improve access to healthcare services." Where? In Australia telemedicine takes us to a real live doctor. NO AI. ;) "Self-driving cars are being tested by companies like Waymo, Tesla, and Uber to improve road safety and reduce traffic congestion." And failed. Can't differentiate between snow and white cars. ;D ;D ;D ;D "Table: AI-powered Transportation Applications Company AI-powered Application Waymo Self-driving taxis and autonomous delivery vehicles Tesla Autopilot technology for semi-autonomous driving Waze Traffic routing and navigation system" Sorry that's too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "Smart home devices, such as thermostats, lighting systems, and security cameras, use AI to learn our habits and preferences." only until you do something out of the ordinary. You clearly need to think, something i am sure, somewhere you are capable of. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
You didn't elucidate anything. It is more than reading fashionable slogans. :) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
And there you have it. Is that planned or unplanned maintenance thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Ah yes the good green lawyers. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Wrong. Before technology any "scarcity" was limited to labour. But, there wasn't the demand for those ores that there is today. And today there is no scarcity of ores, there are stockpiles of it. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Wrong again, Dictators, warlords don't heed western capitalism. They go there own way, unless it is for something like "climate reparations", then they are all in. More money for the MAN. And then there are those from the RICH capitalist countries that do it because it is part of the gravy train. And others not so corrupted. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
International Law is a toothless tiger. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
tbc |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:28pm
The timeline says that there may be some warming due to CO2, but it is not proven. All other proxies, Ice Cores etc, show CO rises before a new glacial period. The temperature started to rise BEFORE the end of the LIA. ;)
Now if you have proof please provide it, although you always ask as a question. But keep questioning you do. It is if you want to say yes it is but don't have the guts for it. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
And that is probably where you get your world views. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:31pm
Wow - look at that billowing volcanic eruption stopping flights in Indonesia ....
Then look at the air in China and India..... and tell me again how We of The West are going to stop all that by cutting our puny emissions.... Go and campaign in India and China.... move on to curing the evils of Gaza and Hezbollah in person.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 21st, 2024 at 8:06am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
If I find the article, I will re-post the story about people in northwest Australia complaining about paying $16 for a packet of Tim Tams. I have no respect for people that want to say that Coca-Cola or cigarettes are part of traditional indigenous Australian culture. And I have even less respect for all the condescending anti-wokes out there that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly) in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives. You are a special kind of strange, tgd. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:22am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Not related to AGW-CO2 emissions. Quote:
Your error: The air in Beijing is no longer like the air in New Delhi, because China - with a GDP 6 times that of India (with similar populations) - is now the world's largest producer of renewable energy. Quote:
China and India are both comitted to zero CO2 emissions by 2060 and 2070 respectively. China - being wealthier - is much further down the road, expecting to peak CO2 emissions by 2030. So I don't need to campaign in either country. But as to "turning up in person in Gaza": the IDF have a regular habit (which has persisted for many decades) of shooting peace protesters with impunity. Because of your delusional anti rule of law "freedom" ideology.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:24am
" all the condescending anti-wokes out there that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly) in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives."
You lost me on that - what is this? Are you saying it is now 'racist' to 'educate people' on poor diet? It impacts more on Aborigines here than on Others? It's 'condescending' to tell people that a sugar and high-carb (let's include a meat heavy) unbalanced diet is unhealthy? Please explain? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:30am
Of Course Not!! Only To CO2 Emissions!!
You are so easy........ oooOOOOHHHH .... 'man-made CO2 is deadlier than natural CO2' .... (ahem) that volcano just put Albo's 'savings' via alternative energy sources to bed for maybe twenty years..... Now then.... China and India with the thick air.... it wasn't that long ago that Malaysia was complaining about annual smoke air due to burning off in Indonesia... maybe Indo has run out of bush to light .... vast areas of the world are still being burnt off for 'development' or various kinds....... here the loveys are lauding burnoffs as the 'native way' of controlling the bush (as if people haven't done it for millennia worldwide, with the difference that most cultivated the land after burning and having the ash add fertiliser - maybe Prof Pascoe could tell us about the flowing fields of grain or something)... You live in Dreamland.... how's Michael's ghost? https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries https://www.iqair.com/au/china?srsltid=AfmBOoqDvU9MrDnNMaJNn3bwMH6sywWz-FEVCPj-Dk1aaUxjBJR55WkI Considering the concentration of industries in the north, it sure doesn't look like China is exactly unpolluted right now.... remember the prevailing winds blowing the pollution towards The Great Shaitans there - South Korea, Japan and ultimately America.... and all those spaces to the West that have no industry... population size also 'helps' distort the calculations...... so they are actually much worse. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:53am UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 8:06am:
No need to find the article. Tim Tams shouldn't even be retailed in remote community stores, given the dire state of black health. And public schools should be teaching all of us (starting with the kids) about healthy eating, and to walk past the Tim Tams the supermarket. But greedy 'private enterprise' Conservatives shout 'nanny state', whenever their rotten, health destroying profits are threatened..... [Apparently Trump has selected JFK jnr, for the task of improving the nation's health in the US ....(cough)....] Quote:
Indeed, but are you going to blame the blacks who have become addicted to white junk sold in black stores? Quote:
now - there's a new twist on "woke"....."anti-woke" - cool! Just shows where your GIGO thinking (revealed above) leads you: "woke" is no longer contemptible, anti-woke is.....(or is it both).... Quote:
How is education re healthy eating "racist"? Quote:
See my remarks on national health at the top (though I doubt Trump will listen to JFK jnr ....comedy gold ....) Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:59am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:24am:
Poor Unsub has shown the results of GIGO.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:30pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:22am:
Ah yes. CO2 -AGW is so serious, everyone, but the west gets a lifeline. IF emissions are so bad that it is GLOBAL, and China and India are part of the GLOBE, then they should go all in on renewables now. After all the claim is cheaper, greener and can be built faster. Even the WEF and the World Bank will support loans for renewables. There must be a reason they are continuing fossil fuels. ;) And things that are politically committed can be just as easily politically cancelled. As can peak emissions. You do really only look at the headlines don't you. Oh and the marketing blurb is all true as well. /sarc |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:37pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:30am:
Er - the vast majority of the increase in atmospheric CO2 in the last 200 years is due to AGW - CO2, not volcanoes. Not so easy: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year I accept your concession, but please educate yourself. :-( Quote:
I haven't said anything about burning forests: I pointed out China has reduced air pollution, cf India, by becoming the world's largest producer of emissions-free renewable energy. ie, BOTH CO2 emissions (which are clean, apart from being a 'greenhouse gas') AND filthy fossil fuel emissions which are polluting and injurious to health, as most egregiously evidenced in New Delhi. Do try to educate yourself. Quote:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics..... quick google: AI Overview Beijing has more clean air days than New Delhi: Air quality Beijing's air quality has improved dramatically since 2013, while New Delhi's has remained mostly unchanged. ..despite the fact China has increased its GDP cf. India. Number of clean air days Beijing has over 100 more days of clear skies each year than it did when the Chinese government's anti-pollution campaign began. AQI levels In one comparison, Beijing's AQI was less than a fifth of New Delhi's. PM2.5 levels In one comparison, PM2.5 levels in New Delhi were 14 times higher than in Beijing. Here's some more information about air quality in Beijing and New Delhi: Pollution sources Both cities have similar sources of pollution, including vehicular emissions, coal-fired power plants, and industrial smoke. New Delhi also has smoke from stubble burning in nearby agricultural states. Air quality ranking Beijing is currently ranked 27th on the world's worst pollution list by IQAir, a Swiss company that tracks global air quality. [/] New Delhi - you guessd it: is the most polluted city in the world. [i]Government action The Chinese government launched a $100 billion, multiyear effort to clean the air in Beijing, which included clamping down on factories, forcing old vehicles off the road, and shifting from coal to natural gas.[/quote] And creating the world's largest EV market; EVs now surpass ICE cars, in China, the world's largest vehicle market. ..... Now, about your recommendation to visit Gaza in person..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:45pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:37pm:
Which paper describes that? And accurately measures it? Remember there are a lot of undersea volcanoes. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:37pm:
You are setting a very low bar. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:37pm:
Oh dear PM2.5 rears its ugly head again. It has never been measured in the corpses to find whether it is true. An epidemiological study, as done by the EPA, but curiously never released, is not proof of anything. Remember smoking, many more time PM2.5 in one breath than in the atmosphere. You are just an anti-science troll. NO engineering, NO Technological skills, NO Science skills, NO economic skills. You just read something and if it accords with your beliefs, it must be true. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:22pm
Now then - what criminal needing age of crim responsibility lowered did all that to the atmosphere?
Ummmm ... hmmm... need to look at physical v mental ages .. arrive at truth... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 12:30pm:
The point is wealthy countries are more able to mobilize the resources required to transition the green economy. And China, faced with a more urgent air pollution problem (being the world's factory) has been forced to invest in renewables to reduce air-pollution from burning coal, and is now a leader in EVs, PVs and wind turbines. And hence, coincidentally reducing CO2 emissions at a faster rate than other countries. Quote:
Of course; and China is already seriously investing; (google) China invested $890 billion in clean energy in 2023, which was a 40% increase from the previous year: but it does take time to build the infrastructure. As for the globe; required total investment will exceed $100 trillion to reach zero emissions; the Global South will require assitance , with transfer of know-how and resource-development capacity from developed countries . (Contrary to popular belief, money - which is created out of thin air - isn't the problem, resource mobilization is; see the latest MMT thread). Quote:
The World Bank SHOULD be funding the required global resources transfer and mobilization, but they are liars intent on deceiving us all into thinking individuals have to suffer higher taxes to pay for the transition. (The "opportunity costs" mainstream economists rave about confuse money "costs" with (choices of)resource mobilization "costs". Quote:
Because mainstream economists are liars (see above); "economists" want economy-wrecking carbon taxes which will pauperize low-income consumers. But if AGW-CO2 is real, and in any case the projected massive future increases in energy needs will force nations to deal with fossil-caused, injurious to health, air pollution (smog etc), then the transition from fossils must be made - without pauperizing low income consumers. Indeed it's cheaper (ie, simpler) to keep burning coal than to transition; and the fossil companies love their massive profits, so they resist the transition. But it's not an option. Quote:
Interestingly, China - the world's factory - will WANT to continue with its decarbonization efforts, to ensure nice clear days in all its cities. And once building the green infrastrucure is complete, the "fuel" (sun and wind) is free.... Quote:
Examined above, and your errors exposed. I accep.....oh, never mind :-( |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2024 at 2:00pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:22pm:
Ah graps; encouraged by (ideologically-blinded) lee's 'climate hoax' theory, and 'healthy air pollution' theory, has decided to have another go at addressing the thread's topic. Answer: no-one, criminal or otherwise; The Industrial Revolution began innocently enough..... Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 21st, 2024 at 3:21pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
And yet that has not been proven to work anywhere. China is building more coal plant than all other countries COMBINED. ::) "In China, 47.4GW of coal power capacity came online in 2023, GEM says." https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-responsible-for-95-of-new-coal-power-construction-in-2023-report-says/ "Solar leads as China adds 210GW of new renewable capacity so far in 2024" https://reneweconomy.com.au/solar-leads-as-china-adds-210gw-of-new-renewable-capacity-so-far-in-2024/ Now 210GW is nameplate capacity. So that needs to be reduced by at least 70%. 47.4GW reliable and 63GW unreliable. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
and only got 63 GW for it. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
REad the BRICS statement. They are going to rely on fossil fuels. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
ah yes, it is only money no drama. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
And yet there is NO requirement shown for carbon taxes, AT ALL. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
China already has the low emission coal plants. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
That's not the media says. They are all about how much "cheaper" it is. Until such time as they have to go begging for the fossil fuel power. That's part of the reason it costs more. They have to run the generators, have the associated costs, but the renewables get first dibs. Do you really think that the fossil fuel plants should run at a loss until called upon? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
Why? it is not a fully Capitalist System, the workers have NO say. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
So replacement of solar panel and wind turbines are NOT a part of infrastructure? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes I know machinery needsd maintenace, as do solar panels. It is cheaper to upograde the machinery than replace all those solar panels and wind turbines. And then there are the material used in both, that are postulated by many to fall short of even initial requirements, let alone replacement. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
You have only grabbed headlines again. NO thought into any realities, Believing the marketing hype. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm:
Never mind petal. One day you may actually come to understand. ;D ;D ;D ;Di |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 21st, 2024 at 3:23pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 2:00pm:
Oh dear. Believing things not in evidence. Truly wilfully blind. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 9:21am
As the obstetrician said to the placenta during development - stick to the issue....
So - which of these criminal child recalcitrants headed for the revolving door cause climate change? Clearly, give their utter recalcitrance and that of their 'elders' and 'parents' - the only solution at the end of the day is a Two State Solution... this undeclared brush war by the Aborigines against Wharte culture and benefits must cease somehow - and not via surrender by the majority to threats and terrorism..... it all started with Rudd licking their nuts ... I TOLD YOU SO then - that it would not be the end but only the beginning of The Strife. Let some sense and fairness into the discussion ..... or it WILL boil over. We've already seen the beginning of the rise of extreme groups to oppose this takeover, this coup....... as I predicted... what we are seeing here today is extremes of both 'left' and 'right' .... and all around us is chaos and madness... this war will never end........... not while you feed its hungry maw.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 3:23pm:
Evidence: eg Yes, Himalayan glaciers are receding at an alarming rate: Glaciers in the Himalayas are melting 65% faster than they were in the previous decade. and Air pollution: Fossil fuels produce hazardous air pollutants, including sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, particulate matter, carbon monoxide, and mercury, all of which are harmful to the environment and human health (as discussed in the health section below). |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 3:21pm:
Transitioning to net zero is certainly "dramatic", but there is in fact NO drama with the money - which is created out of thin air. Do try to keep up. Quote:
if AGW-CO2 is a hoax.... Quote:
yet they still have a persistent air pollution problem caused by burnng coal, which is rapidly being reduced with the world's fastest adoption of renewables. Meanwhile, poor India.....oh dear. Quote:
The media accept the need for the transition, and are saying NEW renewables are cheaper than NEW coal plants required to replace old plants. But in fact the monetary costs of transition are huge, whichever technology is adopted. Quote:
They should be progressively closed down according to government planning (see the next comment), not the 'invisible hand 'market, ensuring that renewables and storage are rolled out ASAP. Quote:
Dummy, workers want clean air too; and indeed the government has the final say in China. Funny: government planning/intervention might prove necessary to save the planet.... "Markets are good servants, but bad masters, and a worse religion". Amory Lovins. Quote:
dummy: cost of replacement of energy producers every 3 decades - PVs etc, powered by free 'fuel', is small compared with the cost of expensive fossil fuel 24/7, and its maintenance costs. Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 12:36pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 9:21am:
Youth crime and its causes, rather than trying to determine the age of the youth? Quote:
None, as I already explained. The AGW debate - pushed here by lee - is an offshoot of the personal responsibility versus government responsibility debate. Quote:
Clearly you lack the ability to examine and deal with causes, even though you recognized the effect of the poverty ghetto on the child's subsequent behaviour. I already explained the difference between one land - two 'sovereignties' (in Oz); compared with two-states and two sovereignties (in the former Palestine Mandate land, as ordained by the UN). Are you incapable of learning? Quote:
I agree; but here is YOUR error: you snuck in "and benefits" - as if Wharte culture's safety-net via poverty- level welfare is a "benefit". It's not a "benefit" - it's a disaster, especially for blacks who indeed have to come to terms with the eclipse of their h-g culture (and are forced onto welfare by white economic culture; there was no poverty level welfare in the h-g culture; quality of life was determined by the resources of the land, not access to - dole - money). Quote:
Fair enough; Rudd - who like you is also signed up the the disastrous Wharte poverty-safety-net welfare culture - was well-intentioned, but an apology doesn't cut the mustard with the culturally and economically deprived. Quote:
Youth crime is already a severe problem; as for cultural exceptionalism - black or white - well, that reuires community education. "It's the economy, stupid", but mainstream economists and media keep banging on about 'sovereignty' and 'culture', when everyone would be satisfied by above- poverty participation in the nation's life. Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 1:38pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
Exactly. It is free money. No need for repayments... EVER. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Wasn't it Keen who said as long as you have the resources? The Green agenda is to shutdown mining. What does that do for resources? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
You keep saying that but coyly don't want to expose your beliefs and the science backing them up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
You don't think it because the new coal plants are not IN the cities? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
The media is full of left winger types who defer to th left wing academia. You still haven't explained why if renewables are "cheaper" they continue to build coal plants. It is supposed to be faster for renewables as well. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
Oh now storage enters the equation. Why is storage a separate issue? It is a MAJOR part of the push to renewables. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
And the Government in China has NO responsibilities to the serfs. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
And yet you have shown NO inkling of this happening in China. Merely some vague HOPE. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
Not when renewables need replacement well within that 25 year lifespan. So how well is PV recycling going? Turbine blades? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
You haven;'t expose anything of substance. Merely youur vague hopes. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:47am:
My beliefs rely on scinece yours do not. But I can see why you don't want to debate beliefs. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 1:59pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am:
Wow. So the highest altitudes are losing ICE. Have you heard about temperature and lapse rate? Have yo read where it is due to CO2? The paper on which it relies uses anomalies only. No indication of it temperatures being above 0C. So tell us how sub-zero temperatures melt ice. Although Climate Change is mentioned in the headline findings, they actually defer to the climate models. "The number of available future glacier projections under different climate projections has increased in recent years." "The contribution of snowmelt to streamflow is expected to decrease under all climate scenarios. " "Climate change is projected to cause significant changes in the cryosphere and subsequently impact the hydrological cycle and overall water availability in the HKH. " Water, Ice, Society, and Ecosystems in the Hindu Kush Himalaya https://hkh.icimod.org/hi-wise/ thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am:
Ah yes. Back to PM2.5. And other things with NO reference to existing levels. Have you found the USA EPA's seminal report yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh in this report they actually criticise burning biomass and coal in the home, with no chimney to draw the air out. ;) "Household air pollution is an important risk factor for an estimated 2.9 billion people worldwide, especially those in low- and middle-income countries where biomass fuels and coal are commonly burned for cooking and heating" In other areas they don't even provide figures. ::) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5800116/ Once again failure to read past the headlines. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 3:30pm
Lowering the age of criminal responsibility - not lowering the height of glacier melt ... cool though that may be...
What about them poor little kids sent up the highway? What could a ten year old do that warranted such measures... I ask you? :o |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:22pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 3:30pm:
You might ask lee to take his "climate hoax" theory and "clean pollution" theory to the correct thread. So - back to (lowering) the "age of criminal responsibility... What for? Prisons are already full, and the 'corrections' system already can't cope with the extent of youth crime eg lack of lawyers in Alice Springs. Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:27pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:24am:
It is racist to assume that indigenous Australians are not knowledgeable enough to know that sugar and high carbs are bad for their health. They know. They just don't care. The indigenous people in remote communities are such people that they have little to do other than to drink sugary drinks -- sometimes they sneak in alcohol -- and eat rubbish food. They have few jobs. They have little to do other than to play football or learn how to fix cars. The women learn how to look after each others' children. And they learn how to deal with medical emergencies -- of which is often in some communities. I could imagine the idea of "educating people on how to eat healthy" is just something that indigenous Australians learn when they tell the difference between KFC and fruit and vegetables. KFC is a treat to them. Fruit and vegetables are a fact of life. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:50pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:27pm:
It's not and they don't. Quote:
Off on a 'personal responsibility rant, again. News flash: the entire globe is suffering an obesity and diabetes epidemic, because the global junk-food industry is exploiting ignorance. Quote:
And you continue to argue GIGO, as noted above. Solving the lack of employment problem is indeed vital. That' means getting rid of the current evil NAIRU-based poverty-industry/'welfare safety net'. Quote:
Yes, there are always some people (often women) who try to improve community conditions, while others succumb to conditions trpically seen in poverty ghettos (crime, poor behaviours etc). Quote:
You would be imaging wrongly, as noted re the entire globe, above. And fresh fruit and vegetables aren't affordable on the dole, least of all in remote communities. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 5:11pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:53am:
thegreatdivide, My high school taught us all about healthy eating, back when we were doing home economics. Plus, we were taught what sugar does to your body. It took until I was throwing up in the toilets after a meal before I found out what sugar does to the body. I would have learned from life experience, no matter what the home economics teacher taught us. You should be more concerned about the ultra-liberal anti-woke brigade being concerned about their drug dealing being under threat by strike-breaker people like me putting an end to drug importation to the continent. I'm anti-union. Therefore, I don't vote for Labor. By the way, if you are wondering about my use of "woke" and "anti-woke", I happen to be the guy that coined the word to put into the lexicon. Late 1993. Regional Qld origin. "Anti-woke" became defined by around 1996/1997, between when I graduated high school and was starting university. "Woke": to be aware of one's social, political and/or economic situation. "Anti-woke": to take advantage of woke people's efforts to self-actualisation and use the woke's themes against them and their better judgement. For example, UnSubRocky is a "woke" person. thegreatdivide is an "anti-woke" person. I hope you realise that Trump made a politically strategic move by having Robert Kennedy as health minister. Did you see that look of disgust that Mr Kennedy gave, looking at the McDonalds burger? McDonalds restaurants are going to undergo a serious health standards improvement in the next few months, as the restauranteurs go about improving the cleanliness standards of their restaurants. With Trump doing his day at McDonalds, you can be assured that hygiene standards are going to have even the most liberal Democrat admitting that Mr Trump's final turn as captain of the USA should be respectable. It is racist to *believe* that indigenous people need to be educated any more than the general Australian population in regards to healthy eating. Indigenous. people. already. know. what. is. good. for. them. and. what. is. not. The difference is that they don't care. Free money will be handed to them every fortnight. What do you do to alleviate the boredom? Any other insipid, short-sighted comments you want to make about an issue you have no involvement, tgd? I just want to school you in the world of "life and its consequences". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 5:33pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:27pm:
So it's not racist to say that all the Other fatties and diabeties etc are 'not knowledgeable enough' to know what's good for them? They all do it anyway..... you must be very wary of trying to cast open and free discussion of REAL issues as some ephemeral fairytale thing called 'racism'. If you listen to that kind of syrene singing, you will come to believe that the bloke who stole ten cars and murdered his wife after a series of neglects and abuses of his children is only sent to prison due to 'racism' - same as these little darlings of ten - none of whom would be in 'juvie' unless they were repeat offenders of serious crimes..... and who are clearly headed, without Intervention™, for a life of revolving door incarceration that their 'loving people' will cry is 'racist' ad somehow wrong regardless of the crimes committed. You cannot have it that way. Choose your 'side' carefully, Grasshopper - the tide of history and reality has turned up there (Kazaly)...... best be onboard that train or miss it entirely... you can't straddle a six feet high brick fence topped with razor wire and broken bottles... and and always remember - it is not the Majority who choose this to be about two sides, one aiming for minority supremacy over everything ................. they've already said so........ 8-) I think that's it in a well-licked nutshell, don't you, Igor? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 6:43pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 5:11pm:
Talking about yourself again; kids in dysfunctional families in poverty ghettos rarely make it to high school. Quote:
Still having trouble getting my head around that one...(the "ULAW brigade") Help me out: are they Left wing or Right wing? Quote:
Drug dealers are criminals lacking people skills, trying to make a quid above the poverty-level dole. Certainly they won't take kindly to your efforts to destroy their business model... Quote:
Probably related to your penchant for GIGO, let's look: Quote:
Awareness is not a crime, indeed a necessity for solving problems related to socio-economic disadvantage. Quote:
Your error (related to your unbalanced approach to "personal responsibility"): solving socio economic disadvantage is not "using woke themes against the 'anti-wokes' better judgement", it's understanding the causes of socio-economic disadvantage. Quote:
See above. Quote:
The anti-vaxxer? Note: cleaner Maccas won't improve the nutritional health profile of their products. Quote:
Examined and refuted above (in #315); the problem is global, related to the extensive global junk food industry, regardless of race. Quote:
Addressed above, and your errors exposed (GIGO) Quote:
Short-sided? Says the guy who lays the blame for poverty ghettos on the victims. "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison...": DJ Trump, 2016. Is he 'woke' - or 'antiwoke'? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 8:26pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:22pm:
Poor petal. You were the one brought climate to the aboriginal thread. Except where I mentioned "climate reparations", and not something to which you replied. And then came your claims about "climate hoax" and "clean pollution" theories. And got exposed with your fraudulent claims. Just the headlines, can't read the papers? ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:15pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 5:33pm:
Correct, I hope my reply to Sub will disabuse him of his errors. (The 'woke' - 'anti-woke' thing was fun...) Quote:
Correct again....sometimes, graps.... can you maintain it.... Quote:
Still correct... Now, about closing the gap.....regardless of 'lowering the age of criminal responsibility' ( a mere diversion)..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:43pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:15pm:
So he doesn't like the thread title and still posts on it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:47pm lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 8:26pm:
After carefully explaining to you in a multiple-post exchange how to fund a Job Guarantee, along the way you volunteered this pearl (in #283): Quote:
Hence the AGW-CO2 diversion into this thread. Poor lee, suffering not only low IQ, and crippled Conservative brain syndrome, but also short term memory loss. Quote:
before or after #283? Of course I would have replied if I had seen it: developing countries aren't responsible for the vast majority of AGW-CO2 emissions during the last 200 years. Quote:
To educate others about the egregious delusions of Conservative 'scarcity' economics. You were merely the useful idiot serving as the catalyst tfor exposing obsolete Conservative "scacity' economics. Now: about the debate re closing the gap, and its relationship to lowering the age of criminal responsibility ...admittedly impossible for a crippled Conservative brain. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:54pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:43pm:
Crippled Conservative brain, likes to compartmentalize complex socio-economic issues. Deplorable. Closing the gap*, crime, criminal responsibility - are all interconnected, with causes and effects which need to be understood to fix the associated problems. * black-youth have higher rates of crime than non-black youth. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 1:28pm
So we finally come to the hard question.....
Will sending those ten years old to a re-education facility (interesting term) lower the rate of Aboriginal youth crime and 'close' any 'gap'? Do you think it will work or not? If not what are your alternatives... The Park....... direct supervision within the Park using a balanced approach of teaching them life skills including how to get on with other people in society instead of this amazing race card thing of 'war on Whartey' along with genuine 'cultural' things that will show their 'culture' in its best light instead of its worst - choice of remaining in the Park or going back to civilisation with all its benefits. They won't get away with smashing that joint .... The Two State Solution ............ total separation and transportation into their own state, dumped at the door and handed over to the local tribal 'elders' etc for supervision and education, without any support from Majority State outside... living their pre-1788 traditional dream to the full....... without any cargo cult ... be hard to keep a lid on the comancheros though... bringing in cheap wine and three day growths and illicit smuggled Tim Tams ... they can always apply for Australian citizenship again ... and take their chances... but with a one strike rule... What else is there? Gondwanamo Bay? Nah - that's for the Full Undesirables without hope of reconstruction and is not exclusive of Others who are in that category ... Bad Lebs.... Myers Christmas shutters down ........ a-breakin' rocks in the hot sun... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 2:10pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 5:33pm:
I have to respond. You are not thinking about this objectively. What I noticed about the sore-throat virus of international reputation from 2019 to 2023 (and this year, too) was the fact that victims of the virus tend to get sick to the point that they don't recover quickly. I have had coronavirus about 3 times in the last 30 years. Some of the symptoms include nausea, headaches, vomiting, and forgetfulness. The recovery process includes getting a mild common cold so that your immune system gets a boost and then coincides its immune response system to produce antibodies to be able to handle a similar coronavirus condition. You get bed rest. You can either drink alcohol or some kind of citrus juice. And you don't eat junk food for months. In indigenous communities, junk food is reasonably available. It is what keeps the indigenous families somewhat happy. The diabetes of various indigenous people is what keeps them from going outdoors and picking fights. But these people are not allowed alcohol, in certain parts of the country. They. cannot. handle. alcohol. Most people in Australia either do not know OR do not care about the health of indigenous Australians. Proportionately, indigenous people do not live in great presence in metropolitan areas. You could imagine the likes of Anthony Albanese being absolutely clueless in dealing with indigenous issues. You may well have viewed footage of Mr Albanese with that glum, sour grapes expression. He was near-absolutely unaware of how to deal with indigenous Australian people. As far as he is concerned, indigenous people are as white as he is, but poorer. You could tell indigenous Australians how to eat healthy as much as you are tolerant to repeat yourself. You could be the best nutritionist of all time and be dedicated to helping alleviate diabetes in indigenous communities. But, as long as indigenous people do not give enough of a crap about improving their lives, they are not going to give a damn about eating a high proportion of their meals that include fruits and vegetables. For all I care, the remote communities of indigenous Australians could use their tax-free payment of $52,000 a year on eating junk food. The more diabetics in their communities, the less likely they will want to beat up their wives and be able to sire another generation of unwanted children who go on to continue the cycle. To wit, perhaps coronavirus patients should have isolated in indigenous communities and let the indigenous people develop their own natural immunity to the coronavirus. It would have shut them up for a few months, that is for sure. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 2:38pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:47pm:
And you still haven't posted proof of anything. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:47pm:
You mean my responses to your claims? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:47pm:
And you haven't provided proof of any harm done. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:47pm:
Nothing there about "scarcity economics". What a fraud. Can't read science but can quote headlines. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If you can't read the science you have nothing to contribute. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 2:45pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Your error (related to your unbalanced approach to "personal responsibility"): solving socio economic disadvantage is not "using woke themes against the 'anti-wokes' better judgement", it's understanding the causes of socio-economic disadvantage. The anti-vaxxer? Note: cleaner Maccas won't improve the nutritional health profile of their products. Examined and refuted above (in #315); the problem is global, related to the extensive global junk food industry, regardless of race. Quote:
Addressed above, and your errors exposed (GIGO) Short-sided? Says the guy who lays the blame for poverty ghettos on the victims. "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison...": DJ Trump, 2016. Is he 'woke' - or 'antiwoke'? [/quote] Donald Trump is, genuinely, a "woke" person. The problem is that he is about 15 years too old to be president. Had he been born in 1961, he might well make for a good Republican president. But, you are dealing with someone who is 77 years old and tells some long-winded stories because of his autism. I can tell, because I go on with long-winded stories and can read between the lines, too. As for your allegations that people from dysfunctional families rarely have their children make it to high school, that is rubbish. My family happened to earn about $15,000/yr above the poverty level. Had it not been for a few moments of PTSD inducing incidents during my childhood and teenage years, I would have started working an after-school job at age 14. But, I waited until I was 16 when I just did a paper route for $20/week ($50/week in today's terms). Then I became a delivery driver after graduating high school. My sister graduated high school. Then my spoiled idiot brother decided to stop fart-arseing about with school and became a graduate of the same high school. Ooooohhh... and that is the general disposition of many low-income families throughout regional Qld. "Ultra-left wing anti-woke" people are obviously left wing. They are those frickin' private school pretend homosexuals who try to rebel against the establishment. They are "disestablishmentarians". I have been described as the "antidisestablishmentarian" of Qld. I happen to be anti-Communist. And I describe myself as a "woke" person. Anthony Albanese is considered "anti-woke". He would rather flatter the likes of the disestablishmentarians in a bid to try and keep his Chinese overlords sufficiently happy. Drug-dealers have very good people skills. The unsuccessful ones are those who don't know how to manage their clients. I have even known of a police officer who became addicted to heroin, because she tried to show how "cool" she could be as an undercover agent. She is basically phucked as a police officer now. And then there is the issue of heroin dealers who became actual good citizens and work legitimate jobs, chucking in the dangerous dealing. Let us face it, you think that having money is what makes someone a good person. Homeless people can be very good people. Have you ever slept at bus stops with nothing more than $50 in your pocket, and a rucksack to use as a pillow? I have. And I am blatantly more educated, and have lived a less privileged life than you, tgd. My police file is clean of a criminal history. Again, I don't blame people for being poor. I blame them for not trying to resolve their impoverishment. Trying to use aboriginality as an excuse for being "ghetto" has run out of time. It ran out of "tolerance excuse" back in the year 2010. In 4 years time, we may well see the end of aboriginal privilege in Australia. 50 years of spoiling 2 generations of indigenous Australians is just too long for non-indigenous Australians. And fkk you if you disagree. Cut your welfare payments, if you disagree. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 2:49pm
thegreatdivide,
Are you aware of the kind of pseudointellectual villainous character you are portraying to other people? You are (evidently) not caucasian. That entitlement personality you display is obvious for all people who have not had a life of privilege. And the shakedown of state government funds is going to dry up. I guess you will have to go back to driving those ambulances and picking up those drug overdose victims. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 3:43pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 2:10pm:
so you agree that I was indeed thinking logically and that it has nothing to do with racism. People do what they do regardless of what others think about it from a distance.... and thinking about it from a distance is not racism - it's just applying the same standards to all equally... .. featuring tonight on GrapplerVid Healthy Eating .. the hit classic ..... Valley Of The Dolmades .... followed by the classic ..... Of Rice And Men ........ |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 4:19pm
Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... :o
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 12:47pm:
BTW- You were the one introduced AGW-CO2 to the thread. #287 |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:26pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:
Examples? Poor Unsub tangled himself up, maybe you can assist him. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Wrong again: your #283 suggested renewable energy isn't - renewable (...in connection with AGW-CO2?.....oh never mind, it's beyond you, we know); only lee could defy logic in that manner. In fact renewable energy is fueled by sun and wind, after the infastructure is built - more and more of which will also be built with renewables as the transition progresses, until manufacture of all future replacement (PVs etc) will be powered by 100% renewables. But thanks for pointing to my excellent #287, in which (inter alia) I pointed to your idiotic "warlords" diversion, which was an attempt by you to defend your neanderthal "freedom or death" ideology, in preference to establishing effective UN-ordained international law. All because you are stuck in the ancient, obsolete scarcity dogma of neoclassical economics...meaning war and poverty are 'always with us'... Get back to the topic: Consider how to close the gap; understand crime, and don't be sidetracked by the age of criminal responsibility. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 6:25pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:
You need far greater materials under the renewable banner than any other energy banner. And then you have to have reliable backup. Renewables don't do reliable anything. But only you can not see that. So using all those fossil fuels for the creation of the renewables will be net zero? On what time frame? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:
You know for someone who thinks themselves knowledgeable, you do show your overarching green dream utopia. ;) Renewables don't do reliable, steady power supply. Something that is need in glass manufacturing, Aluminium smelting, fibreglass manufacturing and many more. Fossil fuels are responsible for more than 6,000 products and you want them gone too. But you know things- you read headlines. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:
AS I have said the UN International law is a toothless tiger. But I see you somehow want to establish it. Isn't that the international Law Commission? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:
But that is the thread title, which you continue to ignore. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:19pm
Well - looks like we won't have to discuss the lowering of the age barrier for young criminals to ten - we'll just leave them out there and they'll fry in the global warming.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:29pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:
And in #281 you said "energy will soon be a renewable resource". You just haven't explained how or even when. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:57pm lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:29pm:
Never has answers, that boy.... just rhetoric. Must be one o' them serious lefties - I'm sort of left and often accused of being far right... funny world we live in.... some here would call that national socialist Gandhi a fascist.... he only considered HIS nation and wanted socialism..... an equal share of the nan bread for each Indian ... bloody national socialist ... now look at the joint - Neo-Feudal to the max, approaching Neo-Nazism with its 'national socialism at any cost', including massive pollution .... clear social division and concentration of power in the hands of a few - the Gauleiters and Kommissars such as we have here.... and so many people vying for five minutes in the warm sun they have no idea what their government really is.... but they know it's better here. Pollution is 'up there' in the Northern Hemisphere - not here... and the Sacred Ganges is as polluted as can be with drifting turds and dead bodies and such.... drink some of its sacred waters and all your ills will be cured... pretty damned fast... sacred site, innit... if not a sacred sight you'd want to remember.... Drink the water in Laos - it's safer. Now then - those ten year olds on the cattle trucks going for 're-settlement' ............. any takers on that subject? Them kids was so poor that when handed brand new quarters and clean sheets and such to live with 'up there' in the Re-Settlement Zone - they tore it all up to send home piece by piece!! |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:58pm
Renewable energy is only renewable until the machine breaks down - then it all needs to be renewed at huge cost and pollution......**twiddles thumbs**
Short term thinking - but in twenty years when Der Untergang comes - Albo and his mates will be long out of the firing line.... and comfortably retired on riches for life. bugger the peasants - they are of no import... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 3:47am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:
There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference. thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:45am UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 3:47am:
Coined the word? Get your hand off it. Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:45am:
The word "woke" was started by indigenous Central Queenslanders. When I heard the word "woke", I wondered what they meant. One told me it means "when someone wakes up". Her husband had been on the booze for sometime, the night before. He got out of bed at 10am. The phrase "Is he woke?" had been used for sometime. My high school friends and I decided to put a meaning to the word. Out of the definitions that were put forth, my definition "to be aware of one's social situation" was the most favoured. I was 14 years old when I decided that was what it meant. That was August, 1993. Somehow, the word made it through the community. And even though people deem me the originator of that word, "woke" started to have a different meaning for places out of town. For some reason, "woke" is now synonymous with being "ultra liberal". THat is NOT what it means. By the end of high school, a girl decided to define what the antonym of "woke" meant. I will accept her definition of "anti-woke" to mean "being against the moral principles of being woke". Although, I have a more broader term for the word. So, that is basically the issue. "Woke" made its way out of the country by 1998, and the Americans are trying to claim credit for an Australian originated word. Some cleaning lady at my high school originated the word. I just put a definition to the word. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:35pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
A remarkable story, if true; the yanks actually inported some Oz 'culture', rather than the other way around? But I'm not sure whether that particular snippet of 'culture' has improved the state of political discourse, either here or the US... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:39pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 4:50pm:
And you continue to argue GIGO, as noted above. Solving the lack of employment problem is indeed vital. That' means getting rid of the current evil NAIRU-based poverty-industry/'welfare safety net'. Quote:
Yes, there are always some people (often women) who try to improve community conditions, while others succumb to conditions trpically seen in poverty ghettos (crime, poor behaviours etc). Quote:
You would be imaging wrongly, as noted re the entire globe, above. And fresh fruit and vegetables aren't affordable on the dole, least of all in remote communities. [/quote] Yes they do you patronising knucklehead. And Rocky is right - they don't care because they always take the easy way out. Why don't you cease with the incessant excuse making bullshyte? It's all you espouse. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:48pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
You speak shyte. Bastardised English in the form of aboriginal slang or inability to speak it correctly.... innit? So stop gammin blackfellas invent da word "woke" ... in any of the contexts it's used today. I might have to agree with Mothballs that you're really going off on some weird tangents ..... and we can't have that happening - it would never do. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
If you even entertain for a second that what he(Rocky) has said regarding the word "woke" is true then it's proof positive what a waffling fool you really are. ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:04pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:57pm:
Graps, you missed the answer, obviously you weren't interested in following the off topic debate. fyi, PVs and windmills etc (fueled by free sun and wind, backed by storage, will be increasingly manufactured by renewaable energy, as the transition progresess. poor lee doesn't have the IQ to understand that; I'm hoping you do.... Quote:
I'm here to expose the egregious effects of mainstream neoclassical "scarcity" economic dogma, and to promote a public sector which is freed from taxing the private sector. A serious lefty? Whereas your neandertahl "freedom or death" ideology - to avoid abiding by a regime of effective internation law - IS certainly far right. Quote:
Tragic, in fact. All because we have been fighting one-another over access to resources since the beginning if time - and still haven't woken up there are plenty of the vital resources to go arround. Hence the confusion re various -isms, in the remander of your post. Quote:
because that's where the massive populations are - geez graps did i have to tell you that? But now renewables, nuclear, and recycling, can end pollution. Quote:
3rd world poverty causes people to dilute alcohol with "fillers", to increase profits. See how your mainstream 'scarcity' dogma, overseen by the crooked IMF, is responsibles for those girls' deaths in Laos. Another tragedy. Quote:
No. Study crime and its causes, and then create functional communites. Quote:
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:06pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
Yet another claim with no back up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:10pm Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
You didn't catch the doubt in my post? Now....back to youth crime, its causes, and also fixing the gap, without being diverted by "lowering the age of criminal responsibility". You have plenty of my "waffle " to refute, in recent pages of debate. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:13pm lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:06pm:
Er - elementary, my dear Watson; that's what a 100% emissions-free system IS. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:13pm:
So you don't even have a link. You don't know anything about reliable power supply. But you have dreams. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/net-zero-carbon-emissions-climate#:~:text=The%20Princeton%20report%20envisions%20wind,net%2Dzero%20emissions%20by%202050. It’s possible to reach net-zero carbon emissions. Here’s how Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to curb climate change is possible but not easy. ...which rules out 'climate hoax' lee being able to comprehend it. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:53pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
OK NET Zero is not Zero and there is NOTHING in the article talking about renewables being able to make PV's or wind Turbines including blades. Once again reading the headlines rather than what it actually says. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:24pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
When the American troops were stationed around town, some came to the cinema during their downtime. I was speaking to some of them in the foyer. One of them mentioned that there was a new word in the States. "Woke". I sat there, stunned that the word "woke" had only been making the rounds of the USA of recent. The year this happened was in 1999 -- I woud be fairly sure. I asked the corporal if he knew what the word meant. He just smirked and gave some answer like "To be cool about what you know" or something to that effect. I just had to correct him and tell him that the word meant "to be situationally aware about one's social position". The corporal laughed it off and said I would not know because the word is only new. A couple of my friends chuckled back at him and then pointed me out at the person who coined the phrase. I was not sure what he said. But he was not too pleased that I was culturally appropriating an American derived word. The guy told me to go away. My response: "Okay boomer". Oh, that phrase dates back to 1991. I definitely coined that one before I was a teenager. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:49pm Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
If I, as an English-as-a-first-language speaker can claim that I came up with the definition (but not the word) to "woke" in 1993, as a teenager, then I don't see how it is "shyte". There is no possible way for me to prove to you that I was the person in the world of 6 billion (at the time) to define the word that a cleaning lady at my high school mentioned. I mean, I have co-workers that were not born during my teenage years. Yet, they have this idea that I have no concept of heavy metal or dubstep or rapcore music. One of them had this CD of my garage band. How do you explain to a 17 y.o. that the clean-shaven guy that weighed 75kg was me when I was 19? He went enraged that the album was brand new. I had to point out that the album was remastered for better sound quality for modern sound systems. I had to borrow a bass guitar to prove to him that I was on bass. It took a few goes, but I had the riff of the opening song near perfected. But, I guess you don't believe that I could be part of a garage band, either. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:53pm Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
You just cannot admit for a second that you have interacted online with someone that did something with his life, despite being stunted by stupid parents. I am about 10,000 words into a 50,000 word romance novel. I was a contender to being a voice actor for animated movies made in Australia. But I have to get through a few things first. Chances are, I might miss out. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:06pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
Give it a moment's pause to think about the implication of what I said. An indigenous lady who works as a cleaner at my former high school mentions to her niece about how her (the cleaning lady's) husband was "woke" that morning. I found the word "woke" fascinating. I gave the word new meaning from being "awake" to "being aware of your own personal situation". Then it evolved to the meaning I gave it by the year 1993. Had that lady not prompted me to debate among friends about the possible code word we could use among ourselves in our second year of high school, we would not be using "woke" in our dialogues online. 1992 was a testing year for a bunch of new teenagers. If indigenous people cannot be credited with having some attributes in developing modern society, we might as well keep the age of criminal responsibility high for them. I am just sick of seeing people degrading indigenous people just because some pricks think that they are above the law. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:36pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
But.... wikipedia: Among the earliest uses of the idea of wokeness as a concept for black political consciousness came from Jamaican philosopher and social activist Marcus Garvey,[2] who wrote in 1923, "Wake up Ethiopia! Wake up Africa! and By the mid-20th century, woke had come to mean 'well-informed' or 'aware',[12] especially in a political or cultural sense.[7] The Oxford English Dictionary traces the earliest such usage to a 1962 New York Times Magazine article titled "If You're Woke You Dig It" by African-American novelist William Melvin Kelley, describing the appropriation of black slang by white beatniks.[7] a bit before your 1993 defintion of a word used by the cleaning lady at your school? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:05pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:06pm:
Do I have to? I'll go with 'woke' (as per wikipedia) - meaning aware of (awake to) socio -economic realities, especially as perceived by blacks, as a result of their history of exclusion and oppression by the ruling class. MLK expressed it wonderfully (which is no doubt related to why he was assassinated; oppressors don't like being exposed). now ....pretty please, can we get back to considering youth crime, its causes, and also fixing the gap, without being diverted by "lowering the age of criminal responsibility"? Quote:
Well yes, until they have learnt, or have been shown how to particpate in modern society, while not relying on (or being forced to rely on) the disastrous poverty level-welfare 'safety net'. Quote:
Fair enough....but are these 'pricks' white or black - I'm confused: eg, usually it's white people (I won't mention names..) who degrade/criticize blacks for lack of 'personal responsibility'; while blacks with a chip on their shoulder claim they are above the law - or rather, don't give a sh*t about the law. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:14pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:36pm:
(Unbuggeringbelievable)... If I went around to your residence and knocked on your bedroom window, asking "Are you woke?" you would either respond verbally, or not at all. "Are you awake and dressed?" is another way of asking the same type of question. "He was woke before I left to go home yesterday" was what my high school cleaning lady said to her niece, re: the uncle's alcohol addiction. What Marcus Garvey said back in the day, and what New York Times Magazine claim was said in 1962, has nothing to do with the origins. For all I know, New York Times might be doing a cultural revisionist of their "hippie" era to try and convince the world that a word that originated from Rockhampton did not actually originate in Rockhampton circa 1993. As far as the editors in New York are concerned, Rockhampton is just one of those redneck towns full of anti-Semites, alcoholic, drug-usin', cattle raisin', dust cloud makin', baby-producin', burnout-competition car enthusiasts. And he would be right, too. The only issue here is that at least us Rockhamptonites are willing to do what is necessary to keep our people alive and economically viable at our own expense. New Yorkers do the same, too. Except they would rather send in foreign fighters to clean up their administrative errors. That nearly included me in 2014. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:21pm lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:53pm:
"Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to curb climate change is possible but not easy." That's all we need to know; ie we have to cut CO2 emissions "to curb climate change"; and - by definition - once it's achieved, PVs and turbines etc (all manufacturing) will be built within the new net-zero green economy, with no ill effects on the climate., since CO2 emissions will stop increasing ('net zero'). It's like pulling teeth..... Quote:
Still some rotten teeth there, I see.... :-( |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Frank on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:35pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:21pm:
China aint doing it. Nor India, Indonesia and the rest. Why? Developing country! :D :D :D China's manufacturing is twice the size of that of the US. A third world dishonesty racket. And then they line up at the border as 'refugees'. Lying, dishonest cheating bollocks. Oh, but they are just like us!! CRAP. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:39pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:21pm:
Rubbish. You can't even show that. Engineering isn't it your strong suit. Or even your weak suit. ::) This would be you - "six munfs ago I kudn't even spel injineer, and now I are one." ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:21pm:
Oh dear. Lost his plot again. Third gravestone down. ;) But perhaps, remotely possible, that you can find a link. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 24th, 2024 at 9:35pm
We'll just leave the ten year old criminals out there and let the climate change work on them, eh?
I like the idea of the Homeland (The Park) where they can be tutored under REAL Elders..... not the ersatz kind around Alice etc... and I guess if they're going to trash the place that's nice and easy for them ... good beds and food and such .... they'll just have to sleep on a concrete slab with a stainless steel bowl bolted through the floor and a single hand basin same-same..... lights out and bed made in the morning or no brekkie... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 25th, 2024 at 8:56am lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:39pm:
I defer to the the reseachers at Princeton. Do try to keep up. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:01am Frank wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:35pm:
fyi, China is now the world's largest producer of renewable energy, and is rapidly reducing the proportion of coal in its energy mix, should peak around 2030, on the way to net zero by 2060. Do try to keep up. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:09am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 9:35pm:
No, now you are descending into mental chaos, unable to address socio-economc realities among different racial groups and groups with different social status; and causes of crime - and would rather navel gaze re the age of criminal responsibility. And diversions via lee's 'climate hoax' theory, won't save you from demonstrating your mental incompetence. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:17am
The largest producer of renewable energy, perhaps. But proportionally, many Western countries use renewable energy at a greater extent than China.
It is heartbreaking to see Chinese city motorways jammed packed full of motorists (who sometimes sleep in their cars) because they cannot consider working closer to home. Meanwhile, you have places like metropolitan Australia with populations exceeding 1 million people having highways that, even in peak rush hour, still are able to get people from one side of the city to the other in less than an hour's drive. A lot of people drive from one side of the city to the other. Whereas, many people are either working from home, or are walking the 2km to work. Renewables are great for homes in metropolitan Australia. Many people using solar panels are saving a bunch on fuel costs because their electricity prices are manageable (even with house prices and hybrid cars being so high). I would be paying $2.50/L if there were not so many richer Aussies making the investment to take pressure off of the oil consumption. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:25am UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:14pm:
What's unbelievable? The wiki definition of woke? Quote:
If I was awake (!) , I would answer: Yes.....meaning (literally) awake ...AND (definitionally) aware of the socio economic realities of my life and that of my neighbours. Heard on the radio today: a Catholic bishop saying: "forget the word "woke", it's time to get those boys back from the prison in Bali, they have paid the price and suffered enough". Unlike the very antiwoke (very asleep) horrible woman Michaelia Cash who was raving and ranting yesterday, demanding the PM explain why he was working to release contemptible drug smugglers ....you see, RW "tough on crime" will fix the world... Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:29am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:09am:
Let me guess: You are still an ultra-liberal condescending try-hard that thinks that adopting communism will solve troubled minorities from their self-inflicted impoverishment. I have a theory that you should entertain: You have had such an easy life that you don't know what you are talking about. Why would you even begin to think that a person living in metropolitan Australia would have socioeconomic problems because of their racial background or minority status? How often do you go outside and out to a pub, club, restaurant, movie theatre, coffee shop and see indigenous Australians enjoying the same benefits as the rest of non-indigenous Australians? Quite a considerable number, I would surmise. Why do some indigenous youth have attitude problems? Because they have grown up in a family unit where their fathers (and mothers) have not given much of a damn about their upbringing or disciplinary issues. With magistrate courts under instruction to go lenient with indigenous youths, it is no surprise that the prison system has a revolving door, if someone identifies as indigenous. Australia is a soft touch society, if you are indigenous. And people who are darker skinned than the majority of Australia's population are applying to come to Australia as refugees or actual migrants, for the sake of soaking up that "free ride" that ultraliberals like Anthony Albanese thinks will get him sainthood with the United Nations. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:57am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:25am:
What is "unbuggeringbelieveable" is your continuous belief that Australia is racially discriminatory against minorities because of our economic system. Money does not grow on trees, tgd. The money has to come from somewhere. And if you don't understand this by now, you are either too young to be typing on such issues. Or you have your hand in the biscuit container, just daring your siblings to go tell your parents what you are rebelliously trying to do -- if I can use an analogy to emphasize a point. I should be more direct. You are one of those people on the free rides. The very idea of being made to work smart is so degrading to you that you wish someone would gang up on people like me and have me transferred to a desk job. Think of it like this: I have been there and done that. I am getting close to being 46 years old, and I hardly think that is old. But I have seen more shhtuff happen around me that even military veterans think that they should be saluting me. I am not even in the military. Re: "woke". At some point between being asleep and being awake, there is a point where you are almost awake but still asleep. You might lay in bed for a few minutes trying to get your mindset bearings right. Once you get out of bed and get your coffee/breakfast into you, you have undergone being "woke". For me, if I down a bottle of scotch, I might lay in bed awake the next day being as "woke" as I can get (thinking how I wasted 50 dollars) to make myself sick. I think about all the things I could have done with the money. I wonder who I have drunk texted. I imagine that the rest of the day will include having to do yard work to make the most of the hangover. And then I debate whether my father will discover my bottle of scotch I left on the countertop, where Dad has this idea that I am some kind of alcoholic because I drink every 3 or 4 weeks. He gets all uppity because he cannot handle alcohol and thinks that I cannot, either. THAT is a thorough understanding of what being "woke" is all about. Or I could go on about being shot in the left shoulder by an indigenous drug dealer, all because I told off his nephew. Added to that was the fact that I could not go to the police about it. I then find out, 12 years later, that the drug dealer was in the Australian Army. So, there was little hope of being helped by the police, unless they wanted to suffer some kind of issues from the ADF. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:09am
You may want to reconsider who the villains are in the prison system, tgd. The Bali Nine, although I would not want them as neighbours, are the type of people who got blackmailed into being drug couriers. It was either they do the deed, or they go home to see the funeral of certain family members. You might want to lay the blame against the racist ring leaders Andrew Chan and Sukumuran. I would absolutely want to see the remainder of the group brought home from that stupid detention. If you have ever had drugs planted in your car as a taxi driver, and your next stop was at a place where the next passenger just happens to collect the suitcase/carrybag, you would understand the situation.
The Indonesians are just playing with your naivety. And you are too spoiled to realise that the Indonesians are fooling nobody but you and your ilk. The Bali Nine was perfect free tourism for Indonesians to get these loudmouth all-year-round tanned white people out of their pristine island country, and have them replaced with Asiatic tourists from emerging East Asian markets. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 25th, 2024 at 11:23am
The purest definition of Woke is:- "This is my opinion! And you can't have yours if it disagrees!"
Not worth arguing about really. Hence Grapplerdamus has designer created the term "Truly Woke" for those of us who actually have an idea what is actually going on. There are quite a few here - some I don't agree with on every issue, but they know WTF they are talking about... others, of course, once they become calcified in their ideological stance - see only friends and enemies around them... either you lick the nuts of their favourite groups de jour or you are a mortal enemy - you see that kind of stupid non-thinking with most nasty cysts ... those who blindly yet unblinkingly follow the ideas of butchering children, or supporting murderous Arabs in Gaza (Eyeless In Gaza from too much application of the bleach) in their genocidal mania, or unthinkingly supporting every claim from 'certain groups' over the past and present and how they came to live in the gutters of Western life and their claim to hold total control over Australia ... along with their equally mindless rhetoric in place of actual discussion..... you all know who I mean.... and they are all clearly insane and should be in the asylums. asylums_013.jpg (99 KB | 1
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 11:49am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 11:23am:
No. That is the subjective definition to being "anti-woke". "Woke" people will allow you to have an opinion. "Anti-woke" people think that the world owes them a living because they grew up poor; disabled; abused; gay; drugged; alcoholic parents; uneducated parents, etc. Anti-woke people will push some bullshit agenda about how their personal preferences are more important than the normally accepted standards of the society deem them to be. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Nov 25th, 2024 at 12:07pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
When you create your little stories to pimp yourself, Rocky, you'd be better off sticking to things other people know nothing about ... lest you come undone. The term 'woke' has been part of the Black American lexicon for about 100 years. It simply means being "awake" to social injustice, particularly pertaining to Black people. The first appearance of the word in an academic paper is n 1942. Hell, even MLK spoke about people needing to be "awake". It still means the same thing now, it has simply extended it's meaning to cover more issues. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 12:45pm
mothra,
I could get the pitbull down the road to urinate all over you. Then people would call you a telephone pole. You are the type of person who would believe it, you are that naive. "Woke" is a term about 30 years old. Americans are just cultural revisionists. Again taking credit for what other countries invent/develop. But that is what happens when you live in a country that has little troubles in combatting the elements. You just expect to have things go your way. Americans have a "saviour complex". They believe that the world owes them their lives because the Americans send military personnel all over the world. You can imagine that when a person from Rockhampton, Qld, Australia can register a username and type 10,000+ posts for 12 years, it is difficult to believe that his nearly 46-year-old behind has done much more for the world than to give women a sexual fantasy angle. But, I doubt that you believe that, either. Rockhampton has produced quite a bit in the last 150 years of its history. I happen to be an unofficial world record holder. Let us just say that one of the former presidents of their country (somewhere in the world) was kind of very angry at me. But at least no one died. But, for some reason, you don't want to credit me for defining a word "woke", and tell the Americans to "ping-ding" with their cultural appropriation? You cannot even verify with what was said 100 years ago. Why would you doubt the author of a word, and a few other sayings (ie., "Okay boomer" in the year 1991/1992), just because I am not an American? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 25th, 2024 at 12:56pm
The word Woke was started by inner city Negroes ... not outback Aborigines ... ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::)
Deep is the fantasy in this one....... too long at Babylon - time to return to the rum ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Nov 25th, 2024 at 12:58pm |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 25th, 2024 at 1:13pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 8:56am:
And yet NONE have said that renewables can create renewables. That should tell you something. But no your belief system will not allow it. Maybe you can show us the "then the magic happens" moment. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 8:56am:
And they don't support your contention either, otherwise they would have said so. They are professional grant seekers after all. What would be a better grant application than that? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 8:56am:
I an so far ahead of you it is sad that you keep trying. No Maths, No Science, No Engineering. Well may "Science" is wrong, you could have "Political 'Science' ". ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 25th, 2024 at 3:23pm
"Being woke was originally associated with black Americans fighting racism, but has been appropriated by other activist groups – taking it from awareness and blackness to a colourless and timeless phenomenon. "
Thank you for your input - that clears away the 'outback Aborigine theory'.... out back of the house maybe .... that's the modern way........... derived from the old Australian slang - "I'm a wake-up to that!" ... been around for centuries I'd say .... Man - all this BS of appropriating 'deep meaningful one-worders and one-liners' to some group de jour has got to stop... every single smart-arsed comment rides on the shoulders of the smart-arses who came before... The Greatest One-Liners!! You bloody recent imports with your profound knowledge of everything in the universe - but we're a wake-up to that!! |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 3:48pm
Mothra, just ease up on the gullibility.
If I go about calling someone "gay", it it not necessarily a bad thing. But, you might not like the use of the term. I remember when saying something seems "gay" meant something was "unusual". But, that is just another regional Qld term that got put into usage. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by mothra on Nov 25th, 2024 at 4:03pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
Did you invent that one too? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 25th, 2024 at 5:13pm
... we'll have a gay old time....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4v0eHtAFBg |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 25th, 2024 at 5:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
That's where you come undone. Because like most of your waffle it's a pipe dream. Not possible unless you wish to return to the dark ages. Carbon dioxide is the gas of life, in fact Carbon dioxide is essential for life. Carbon dioxide is a key part of the Earth's carbon cycle, which is essential for plant life. Plants take in carbon dioxide, break it down into carbon and oxygen, and release the oxygen back into the atmosphere. The amount of Carbon dioxide in the earths atmosphere is 0.04%. Carbon is a naturally abundant, nonmetallic element that occurs in all organic compounds and can be found in all known forms of life. It makes up about 0.025% of Earth's crust. Australia contributes just over 1% of all global emissions from industrialized countries. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:02pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
More bullshyte.... you should get back on your schizo meds .... ;D Abos invented "woke" & you coined the phrase "OK Boomer"? ;D ;D ;D You are a dead set fruitloop. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:07pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:01am:
Yeah cheap shyte to flog off - making a squillion on - to gullible western countries like us ... being run by ideologue lefty govts. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:20pm UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 9:57am:
To clarify: Oz is NOT "racially discrimatory against minorites because of the economic system"; but Oz does "discrimate", ie, force onto the poverty-level dole, people who are unable to compete in the regular job market. Spot the difference? And - for cultural, historical reasons, Oz blacks are the group who are most badly affected that same, evil economc system (the poverty level dole as a safety net, which enmeshes blacks in "sit-down money" with no chance of improvement or escape from the resulting poverty ghettos in the regional and remote communities. Even in Darwin, the sheer stench of people condemned to this lifestyle ensures no-one wants anything to do with them. This sort of generatiional poverty, mixed with alcoholsm and crime, is UGLY. In fact, as UGLY as the current economic system, with its poverty-level welfare as a "safety net" (designed to at least stop people starving to death and rioting in the streets; ie to sweep poverty and associated ills under the carpet, until that fails...which is what we are now witnessing with youth crime. ) "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, you young men are in prison...": Trump's America is futher down that road because of gross US inequality, but Oz is heading there. Quote:
So now we see the real driving force behind Conservatives' willingness to blame the victims of poverty for their 'lack of personal responsibilty' ie Conservatives are worried about taxation draining their own bank balance. Hint: government COULD eradicate poverty by eliminating the hideous gross inequality which results from society believing (or accepting that) eg, Gina and other billionaires really "earnt" $22 billion by working for it. Madness. Quote:
Actually it's RESOURCES which have to come from some- where - money is created out of thin air by the authorized goverment agencies and/or private banks. To prove the point: you could give it a try if you are a good enough counterfeiter; you could live high on any amount of money created on your very own money machine...until your counterfeit was exposed..... That's why I'm promoting a decent financial system which frees the public sector from dependency on the private sector, ie taxes imposed on you and me and all citizens who are governed by SELF-INTEREST and don't like paying taxes. But I'm quessing until global catastrophes resulting from ever- increasing national debt (which is owed to private sector money lenders) become absolutely crippling for the world, ie global social catastrophes force the necessary change to allow public sector money creation, you will have to countence higher taxes, or see ever increasing divergences in wealth between citizes. Because the rest of your post is based on your hip-pocket concerns (explained above) and the RW 'get out of gaol free' (ie tax minimization...even Packer did it..) and the 'personal responsibilty ace card, I will pass on it because we have covered all the issues before. Except for your comment below: Quote:
No; I religiously turned up to work every day of my entire working life, in a job I didn't particularly like; however I could save enough to look forward to and plan for a comfortable retirement....which was the incentive. My biggest fear was LOSING MY JOB, hence my contempt for our UGLY economic system which forces people out of work (during macroeconomic downturns/national economic problems) to "save the economy" - as Bullock in the Reverse Bank (sic) is doing. Sick. But I take my hat off to you for an honest debate, unlike graps who is descending into mental chaos. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:43pm Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
China is currently in some trouble owing to wrong advice from western trained economists in the PBofC. But Chinese PVs EVs, turbines smart phones are top quality these days: Chinese consuners are discerning and voting with their feet, preferring BYDs to Teslas, and: Quote:
Huawei rises again after being crippled by paranoid Western "security" nonsense.... And Indonesia chose China to build its first high speed rail system - the yanks, and Oz, don't even have high speed rail, China's system is the largest in the world. No room for "cheap shyte" in HS rail.....requires cutting edge tech. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 25th, 2024 at 8:39pm
Leave 'em to stew in the conservative white man's construct of climate change.... no need to waste resources on them ...
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:13pm mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 4:03pm:
No. They were doing that kind of talk at school. Calling someone/something "gay" had been around for some time before I first heard it. I was the originator of "Okay Boomer". Emu Park beach, circa 1991/early 1992. The inspiration was due to a game of frisbee being replaced by a game of boomerang throwing. My uncle, who was almost hit in the head by one of my errant throws, told me to warn him of me about to throw a boomerang. So, it became "Okay boomer-*throws the boomerang*-rang!". Then, when I realised the implications that my uncle was a Baby Boomer, the saying had new implications. It was shortened to "Okay boomer". And it stuck. We went back to Yeppoon for the evening. And when people heard me snark back at my visiting uncle "Okay Boomer" to his moralising, the saying started making its rounds about the township. I kept saying the phrase to elder teachers in Rockhampton when I started high school. Friends adopted the saying. From then onwards, it took about 14 years before the "Rick and Morty" creator adopted the saying. To be honest, I stopped using "Okay Boomer" in my second year of high school. Something serious happened in my life. But, when my life got better by the final year of high school, I decided to create as much chaos as my autistic arse could allow. Muck up week in my final weeks of high school was kind of a reimagination of my clean cut image. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:19pm Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
It is called "autism". I was misdiagnosed by a bunch of racist South Asian doctors, because they don't have the facilities in Pakistan or India to understand how the mind works. Perhaps I missed my calling and I should have studied to become a doctor. I already have an academic paper published on academia.org. I won't tell you the name of the article. But it is a 5000 word essay on the impact of landforms on weather systems. By the way, why would you have doubts about a Central Queenslander (who won a boomerang competition in primary school) about coining the phrase "Okay Boomer"? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:36am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Huawei rises again after being crippled by paranoid Western "security" nonsense.... And Indonesia chose China to build its first high speed rail system - the yanks, and Oz, don't even have high speed rail, China's system is the largest in the world. No room for "cheap shyte" in HS rail.....requires cutting edge tech. [/quote] There's nothing non sense about it. It's also a concern in their electric cars. Are you a CCP shill? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:43am UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:19pm:
Yeah OK ... I believe you ;D ::) thousands wouldn't. Well because you didn't.... it's all in your imagination ... that you believe ... your autism??? I have 2 autistic grandsons .... so have been down the "vivid imagination" path twice ... the older one(15 yrs old) seems to have grown out of the ludicrous claims/fictitious story inventing .... when do you think you will? ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:36am
Rocky - you've been wandering around in age for the past few days.... just yesterday you said 'fifteen years after you were in Year 10' (my map hand drawn about 3-4 weeks ago that you seem to think was yours) - so about 30 .. day before you were 50 or so...
Find those tablets!! Be careful you don't end up like Skanka and messra - one day your truth floating past on the Ozpol river... I've always been who and what I say I am... there was once a website that blasted me and caused endless trouble - it is no more and the prime mover of all the lies therein was discredited, shown to be a liar (not to mention a thief), and even given a back-hander from the Veteran community.... in writing! Now he is a scared old man .... and I know where he lives and he has no idea where I am.... every trembling leaf... every falling branch... every shuffle of wind past the windows at night..... every cold rainy night..... is a long one for him ..... he's seen me in action ............. he is begging to be left alone............ watcha reckon? People can sow falsehoods and cause trouble in a moment - it takes years at times to set things right..... right is a hard thing to come by... use is carefully...... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 26th, 2024 at 11:22am Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:36am:
There's nothing non sense about it. It's also a concern in their electric cars.[/quote] All electric cars (including Teslas) ...all devices with IC, IT and AI capacities, capture data. Quote:
No; otoh, I KNOW (without asking) you are a delusional "freedom" ideologue who would immolate the world over a political dispute between Chinese people living on Taiwan versus Chinese people living on the mainland. (For a while after 1945, the predecessors to the current DPP "freedom" ideologues on Taiwan claimed THEY were the government of China...until reality sank in after the UN recognized the mainland's sovereignty of China). Now - back to dealing with youth crime and closing the gap, despite such considerations not being your strong suit, you being a delusional "freedom" Conservative ideologue (in economics, a self-interested free-marketeer, with poverty level 'welfare' for those unable to compete in the market). Deplorable Meantime the arguments over "woke" among the blind (most unawake) people here continue, when the nation faces exploding youth crime rates and a persistent black gap. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 26th, 2024 at 1:27pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 11:22am:
All electric cars (including Teslas) ...all devices with IC, IT and AI capacities, capture data. Quote:
No; otoh, I KNOW (without asking) you are a delusional "freedom" ideologue who would immolate the world over a political dispute between Chinese people living on Taiwan versus Chinese people living on the mainland. (For a while after 1945, the predecessors to the current DPP "freedom" ideologues on Taiwan claimed THEY were the government of China...until reality sank in after the UN recognized the mainland's sovereignty of China). Now - back to dealing with youth crime and closing the gap, despite such considerations not being your strong suit, you being a delusional "freedom" Conservative ideologue (in economics, a self-interested free-marketeer, with poverty level 'welfare' for those unable to compete in the market). Deplorable Meantime the arguments over "woke" among the blind (most unawake) people here continue, when the nation faces exploding youth crime rates and a persistent black gap. [/quote] How typically presumptuous of you. And yet you can give no answers to remedy same without delving into your pipe dream ideologies. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 26th, 2024 at 3:03pm Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
The 'personal responsibility' mantra gives you away. Quote:
Well....how about paying much higher taxes, to get rid of generational poverty and associated youth crime? But I must warn you, the scale of the necessary government intervention will be costly for your bank balance, if you keep insisting the currency-issuing government can only fund itself with your money (via taxes) .... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 26th, 2024 at 5:18pm
Yes - Der Schtaat will assume all responsibility for our Aborigines and youth crime and all that... they will all be punished to the full at the mercy of the state.... but their defence must therefore be easy - I have no responsibility here, Your Honour ... the STATE holds all power and the individual none, not even in his own life and actions. Can I go now?
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2024 at 8:17am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 3:03pm:
The taxation rate in Australia is one of the highest in the world. When the top rate amounts to nearly half every dollar you earn.... how much do you think is enough? Seems all you want to do is to drag every one down to the same level ..... poverty. Now what does that sound like??? ::) Picture0110.jpg (37 KB | 1
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:32am
'youth crime' - largely Black.... sorry 'bout that.
'persistent black gap' ... well - you can't close a gap by reaching out from one side all the time when the other side doesn't want to grasp the hand of friendship extended. Countless billions of dollars have been wasted trying to 'close the gaps' that the people who are gapped refuse to close. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:47pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 5:18pm:
No you can't. fyi, the state will ensure all can participate in the economy above poverty level, without resort to disastrous incentive-destroying 'welfare'. After that, individuals will have the personal responsibilty to avoid grog, smokes etc, obey the law, and contribute as best they can. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:59pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
So a welfare system that is not welfare. Got it. Sit down shelling peas money instead of sit down money. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:12pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Income tax is only one tax. Wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, land taxes all need to be considered. See the Henry Tax review which is ignored by cowardly governments. Quote:
No. I want to end the insanity of Musk soon being the world's first $trillionaire (equivalent to the entire wealth of Oz) and the hideous idea that billionaires "earned" their wealth by "hard work" , when the system enabled such grotesque accumulation of wealth to individuals. Indeed some aware ("woke") billionaires are urging governments to impose higher taxes on rich people, before capitalism collapses. Quote:
"Dragging everyone down to the same level" ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level". Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error. Meantime, I'm educating you: "Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton. ..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government. Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:26pm lee wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:59pm:
Your error (it's so easy with you...): activity which the community would like to be done, but which isn't done within the regular job market - because monetary profit - as opposed to intrinsic value - isn't readily extracted in the regular job market. Never mind, you don't have the capacity to undestand 'intrinsic value', 'public amenity' etc. Better to let people rot on 'welfare'. Sad. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 27th, 2024 at 2:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
So which activity is this? Recycling the car junk yards? You should see them in the Kimberley's and NT. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 27th, 2024 at 3:33pm
First ye smells jobs where there be no jobs..... and all around the whole earth is still as the grave .... the machines be quiet as death....... nothing is heard but ye feel it like a volcano .... and He Rises! Moby Dick - the Great White Whale Jobs Hunt.... curse thee, thou dam-ned whale!
Well - I did offer to put Gondwanamo up there (Kazaly) in the Homeland area and give jobs as guards and such, and dog handlers in the hunt for escapees... plenty of Tim Tams in that!! What? Pay 'em to keep their rubbish clear? We already pay for the 'council' to do that - what are they doing? Drinking all the profits or something? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 27th, 2024 at 8:05pm Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:43am:
I have already admitted that I occasionally embellish my stories to give them more flair. But, usually these stories are based upon real events. I will give you a few examples of real stories vs embellished stories. Real story: When I was 10 years old, I was shot in the left shoulder by a drug dealer. Embellished story: I was shot multiple times by gang members and managed to crawl to safety. Real story: I have been bitten by snakes several times. Embellished story: I fell into a pit of snakes where I managed to dodge every strike that they made a me. Real story: I am the biological father of nearly 60 children worldwide (including 30 in Australia). Two of my biological children participated in the Paris Olympics. One of them is a gold medalist. The other ran in the 5000 metres final. Embellished story: Of the 5 illegitimate children that I have fathered, 4 of them were through sleeping with 2 married women. Both husbands watched me impregnate their wives. Actual story: I almost dated my 21 y.o. daughter a couple of years ago (before I found out that she was my biological daughter. Her mother is part indigenous. My 24 y.o. daughter watched her niece get baptised at the church my mother attends. Mum does not realise that she is a great-grandmother. Somehow, I don't believe you would accept the real stories as true, either. I submitted a 5000 words essay on the topic of landforms impact on weather systems. academia.org accepted the essay. I still get emails congratulating me on a well-researched topic. By the way, the university has put a ban on me, because of my autism. I called them out because the CQU is being used as a drug den. A former worker there told me that the administration is all about dealing drugs. Security has been called on me about 4 times in the past 2 months (including twice in the last week). If you see some guy in Rockhampton being questioned by police regarding a trespass, it will likely be me. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:40am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:36am:
Medication has done nothing to change the behavioural problems of other people. When I take antipsychotic medication, I get health problems. I have been on a low-sugar diet for 4 months. I have lost 15kg. If I go on medication, I gain weight. What I tell you online is made to be deflective of identifying myself. You can tell when I am telling the truth. You can tell when I am making up stories. And you can tell when I am embellishing a real story to make myself sound funny. That map you have shown is something similar to a map of Qld we had to label for our Social Studies subject in the year 1994. Most students did their own labeling of the regions. I cannot remember what I put for mine. I think I put "Awesomeland" for Central Queensland. And for southwestern Qld, I put "GetfuggedIamnotgoingoutthereland". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Nov 28th, 2024 at 9:15am
"The meaning of IRE is intense and usually openly displayed anger. "
It's a pity that Eire already took the name Ireland..... that nasty south east corner could well be described as the land where the ire of the rest is directed. Anyway - great advances require great minds and great efforts... now I've offered yez all the GAIA concepts ... I've offered yez the Two State Solution to resolve the Aboriginal issues and let them do things their way .... I've offered yez Gondwanamo Bay for the True Recalcitrants - I even mentioned, years ago, the mooted spaceport for Cape Yorke, though it was someone else's idea long before the Queensland government decided it was useless enough to hand to the Abos etc so now they can reap royalties for the noise of rockets on the fly ...... a quasi-Homeland but still supported by the blood, sweat and tears of the majority.... like Arnhem Land .... No Country For White Men Or Yellow Men but still paid for out of their pockets and labour etc.... All that nonsense comes from the little south east corner that is so out of touch with the rest (a.k.a. The Rumphole) .... so I bring you, in all earnestness, the very forward-looking plan to demolish Queensland (and other states and territories) as it now stands, and create of it smaller and more manageable and more contiguous in nature and thought states more in keeping with the local people. In the short term - Brisbane Has Fallen ... Darwin Has Fallen ... the left is in retreat...... Aside:- Jeez - wouldya look at that? Fatima Payman (she of the two sovereignties) advocates that those guilty of terrorist acts be stripped of citizenship and exiled..... what a wonderful woman. Pity she's on the wrong side of history now ....... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:02pm lee wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 2:50pm:
Yes, that's ONE such activity. The yards could be tidied up and the parts recycled, indeed. Win-win, for workers with full time minimum wage and conditions jobs (not drinking themselves to death, and/or doing crime on sitdown money) and also the public amenity (enviroment, etc). |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:10pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Gawd - I never thought I'd see lee showing a greater ability to fire up 2 neurons than graps, but lee's comment quoted in the previous post suggests that's the case..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 1:12pm:
No. I want to end the insanity of Musk soon being the world's first $trillionaire (equivalent to the entire wealth of Oz) and the hideous idea that billionaires "earned" their wealth by "hard work" , when the system enabled such grotesque accumulation of wealth to individuals. Indeed some aware ("woke") billionaires are urging governments to impose higher taxes on rich people, before capitalism collapses. Quote:
"Dragging everyone down to the same level" ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level". Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error. Meantime, I'm educating you: "Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton. ..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government. Deplorable. [/quote] Yes we are overtaxed .... and your answer is to tax us more. FFS you're as bad as any politician. You think you are ::) BHP, Fortesque and the Chinese own more Iron ore than Gina. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:55pm Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
"Dragging everyone down to the same level" ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level". Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error. Meantime, I'm educating you: "Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton. ..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government. Deplorable. [/quote] Yes we are overtaxed .... and your answer is to tax us more. FFS you're as bad as any politician. You think you are ::) BHP, Fortesque and the Chinese own more Iron ore than Gina.[/quote] (sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives.... 1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference? Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'. 2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:37pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:02pm:
Now all they have to do is have someone buy it at a cost cheaper than the cost of transport from the remote communities. And of course sell it at a profit. ;) Otherwise it is just another welfare scheme. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:16pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
Yes we are overtaxed .... and your answer is to tax us more. FFS you're as bad as any politician. You think you are ::) BHP, Fortesque and the Chinese own more Iron ore than Gina.[/quote] (sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives.... 1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference? Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'. 2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff. [/quote] BS not when they own it. Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:18pm lee wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:37pm:
Dividie just doesn't get it - that his ideas are all piss & wind. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:41pm lee wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:37pm:
I thought you had in mind the junk-yard eyesores around the Alice, for example. In any case the recycling industry is an important new industry which must achieve 100% ASAP, regardless of (monetary) "cost". ...not a "welfare" scheme but a vital environmental sustainability scheme. Do try to keep up. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:46pm Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
(sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives.... 1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference? Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'. 2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff. [/quote] BS not when they own it. Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio.[/quote] Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China. Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it... Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 1st, 2024 at 2:21pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:46pm:
BS not when they own it. Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio.[/quote] Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China. Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it... Deplorable. [/quote] Lock 'em all up - let the dog sort them out.... and that dog isn't 'lunging' - he's more like grinning at the terr .... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 1st, 2024 at 2:30pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:41pm:
There is no recycling in Alice. Where should they go Darwin or Adelaide? ::) Or setup a new industry where the costs are not problematic in Alice? thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:41pm:
And new industries must make a profit. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:41pm:
And the profotability? Or doesn't that matter? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:41pm:
I am so far ahead of you, you should stop now. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 1st, 2024 at 3:38pm
The cost of shipping - without the massive GAIA projects of Yond Grappler - would be astronomical... you can't just dump an industry in the heart of Australia with a couple of roads in and out.... throwing it up a single road...
Are you serious about persuading your Aboriginal mates to come to that kind of work? Bit Third World, innit? They want the CEO jobs - one bloke's got it - why can't they all have the same? Don't want the white man's way - REFUSE that - but demand the best white man's house etc.... without paying for it like all the silly dorks out there - those trapped in that neocon delusion, you know.... You know - this nonsense has to stop and soon. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 6:58am thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:46pm:
BS not when they own it. Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio.[/quote] Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China. Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it... Deplorable. [/quote] You haven't shown how to address shyte. The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is ..... Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company. You should do your homework better. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm lee wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 2:30pm:
Smarter people than you will answer those questions. Stay tuned, as the world transforms its economy to sustainable mode, via (inter alia) 100% recycling. Quote:
Dummy, public-sector industries don't have to make a profit, they merely have to deliver the required service. Quote:
Refuted above. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:43pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 3:38pm:
Some work is low skilled, but still vital and not easily amenable to automation. Quote:
See how your erroneous premise (at the beginning) leads to you to a silly doozy like that, above... aka GIGO. Quote:
Couldn't agree more.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:
But not you? ;) Logic should extend to ways things would work, what are the limitations (if any), And how to feasibly overcome those limitations. You have addressed none of these, you simply leave it in the hands of the "experts". Whether they be climate scientists, engineers or economists. You can't even bring yourself to question anything. You are a logic failure. ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:
There goes your belief system, again. Not everything is solvable. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Ah so government funded welfare. Thank you. IF they don't make a profit they must be funded from somewhere. Failed logic again. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:
You have refuted nothing. Merely restated YOUR opinions, which carry no weight. Failed logic again. "to prove a statement, opinion, or belief to be wrong or false" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/refute To restate; you have proved nothing. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm lee wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
My excuse to get out of educating dummies like you; and yes, I will defer to the experts who (unlike you) 1. Know we have to transition to a sustainable, green economy. 2. Know what a sustainable green economy is. 3. And know how to engineer it. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:44pm Gnads wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 6:58am:
Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China. Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it... Deplorable. [/quote] You haven't shown how to address shyte. The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is ..... Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company. You should do your homework better. ;D ;D[/quote] OK, I give in; China doesn't need to pay for Oz iron ore, because China already owns the ore, got it. :o Yet China is importing over $100 billion of Oz ore annually, and supporting the very shaky Oz Treasury as well.....how does that work? After you explain that, you might address the taxation issue which had you very agitated a few posts back, with you apparently not wanting to tax 'Gina's ore" wealth, (or any other grossly inequitable "earnings" attributed to all billionaires), wealth which in fact belongs to the Oz nation, despite your assertion it is "owned by the Chinese". |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 5:06pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:
Why do we need to transition to renewables, which are neither sustainable or green. Most cobalt is mined using Child labour - Green? Solar panels are made using fossil fuels - Green? Turbine blades are made using fossil fuels - Green? Fossil fuels are a finite resource- sustainable? I know your dictionary is different to mine, but that different? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:
You haven't been able to show it. Why is that? Why has NO manufacturing economy actually proved it? Surely the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and all you have is four and twenty blackbirds. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:
And yet they haven't to date done so. That means theoretical "knowledge". If the result of your experiment doesn't agree with your theory, then the theory is wrong. When you don't even have the experiment, you are woefully wrong. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:52am lee wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 5:06pm:
China just connected Gobi-desert-sourced renewables to the east coast using UHV tranmission tech, on the path to achieving net zero by 2060. Quote:
Only to a dummy who rejects scientific and engineering progress. Poor lee, displaying the inadequacies of the Conservative brain, wants to maintain the fithy, injurious to health, price-gouging, private fossil industry whose days are numbered. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 12:34pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:52am:
You do know NET zero is NOT ZERO. So they anticipate using fossil fuels further than 2060, even IF they achieve NET zero by then. You seem to think pathways are proof positive of success. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:52am:
You still haven't answered the questions. 1. What do the scientists agree on? 2. What do the scientists NOT agree on? 3. What do the scientists admit they just don't know? Engineering progress is NOT a surefire way of achieving engieering success. Many engineering products had great potential at first blush. I guess you have never heard of engineering failures. ::) Your choice of "experts" are only those that agree with you. That is known as 'confirmation bias'. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:52am:
One again relying on emotions rather than facts. Have you found the eponymous EPA study that came to the PM2.5 conclusion? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D BTW - I notice you have dropped 'green' and 'sustainable'. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:00pm
Anyway - looks like the child gangstahs are going to confinement - The Park is looking the rosiest option now, given that their re-education would be entirely under responsible and reliable Elders with a view to teaching them to bridge the gap(sic) between their cultural adherence to savage infantilism and their duty to live responsibly and prosper in the modern world....
How many gaps would that close? MOST!! P.S. Aquascoot Young Criminal Rehabilitation System.... teach 'em something that will give them pride, ownership and direction in life.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:
You're so far up yourself it must hurt? 1. Know - no we don't. 2. you obviously don't. 3. you obviously don't ...... and neither do all the ideologues - educated or not - like you. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:52pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:44pm:
You haven't shown how to address shyte. The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is ..... Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company. You should do your homework better. ;D ;D[/quote] OK, I give in; China doesn't need to pay for Oz iron ore, because China already owns the ore, got it. :o Yet China is importing over $100 billion of Oz ore annually, and supporting the very shaky Oz Treasury as well.....how does that work? After you explain that, you might address the taxation issue which had you very agitated a few posts back, with you apparently not wanting to tax 'Gina's ore" wealth, (or any other grossly inequitable "earnings" attributed to all billionaires), wealth which in fact belongs to the Oz nation, despite your assertion it is "owned by the Chinese". [/quote] Stupid Australian politicians & greedy entrepreneurs. Absolute assumptive bollocks. I actually don't like Gina much, all inherited wealth - though she seems to be able to increase that wealth. Unless you have your head firmly planted up your backside then you'd know how many pies the Chinese... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm
cont: - have their fingers in.
They control the Port of Darwin as well. Stop pretending you're an all knowing intellectual when you just an ideologue wanker. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:52am:
What are Gobi Desert renewables? Don't tell me - the Chinese have covered the Mongolians desert areas with mega solar panels and wind turbines? ..... I bet a whole lot of consultation went into that. You really are a clueless clot. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 4th, 2024 at 8:58am
expert (n) - a has-been under pressure and capable only of dribbling.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:30pm lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 12:34pm:
(sigh)Net zero is what is required to stop increasing the quantity of AGW- CO2 in the atmosphere. Quote:
Your error: when they achieve net zero, they won't be using fossils - fossils which would require additional technologies other than renewables, or more renewables to...achieve net zero. Quote:
I think -like most of the world's commentators on AGW-CO2 - that logic and science can achieve net zero, yes. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:33pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 8:58am:
Hey graps, don't encourage Gnads, he's only making a fool of himself; let's see how he explains his <China owning Oz iron ore> theory.. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:37pm Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:58pm:
A fraction of the desert, but othwisewise - corect. ..... Quote:
Classic: you gave a (nearly) correct answer to you own question, and then accused me of being a clot :o |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
So you believe in the continued use of fossil fuels. Goodo. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
So not NET ZERO then But ZERO. You are confusing yourself. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
But renewables cannot be made from renewables. The output varies too much. ::) So after renewables bring about this much glorified net zero, how will they be replaced? ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
So you believe in the "world's commentators"? Not the scientists? But perhaps you can cite where you found this list of the "most of the world's commentators"? I mean you do have proof of your assertions? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:53pm Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:52pm:
No. I want to end the insanity of Musk soon being the world's first $trillionaire (equivalent to the entire wealth of Oz) and the hideous idea that billionaires "earned" their wealth by "hard work" , when the system enabled such grotesque accumulation of wealth to individuals. Indeed some aware ("woke") billionaires are urging governments to impose higher taxes on rich people, before capitalism collapses. Quote:
"Dragging everyone down to the same level"? ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level". Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error. Meantime, I'm educating you: "Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton. ..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government. Quote:
...while billionaires amd the wealthy know how to avoid taxes. Quote:
(sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives.... 1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference? Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'. 2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff. Quote:
Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China. Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it... Deplorable. Quote:
The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is ..... Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company. You should do your homework better. ;D ;D[/quote] OK, I give in; China doesn't need to pay for Oz iron ore, because China already owns the ore, got it. :o Yet China is importing over $100 billion of Oz ore annually, and supporting the very shaky Oz Treasury as well.....how does that work? After you explain that, you might address the taxation issue which had you very agitated a few posts back, with you apparently not wanting to tax 'Gina's ore" wealth, (or any other grossly inequitable "earnings" attributed to all billionaires), wealth which in fact belongs to the Oz nation, despite your assertion it is "owned by the Chinese". Quote:
Your knack for finally supplying the correct answer and then repudiating it is remarkable. Listen carefully: Oz could eradicate poverty and much associated crime (and close the gap) if billionaires, millionaires and Oz's natural resources were properly taxed. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Jasin on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:55pm
Kids having babies at 16.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:59pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:53pm:
Tell that to the leftist billionaires. "Bringing everyone down to the same level" is leftist for "except for me". ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:05pm lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:59pm:
Good try but no cigar, only confirming your low IQ: By billionaires, I mean all billionaires, regardless of political stance. See the errors your blind ideology leads you into... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:26pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:05pm:
Of course you do. ;D ;D ;D ;D Who else is gunna fund your lifestyle. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
low IQ non sequitur reply; which you won't be able to defend in logic even if you tried. Quote:
Net zero means not adding more AGW-CO2 (the result of burning fossil fuels) than you are subtracting by not using fossils OR by other means eg removing CO2 directly out of the atmosphere if possible. The "net" proposition allows for the development of other technologies, as we approach zero emissions from fossils. Quote:
Yes they can with renewables powering 70, then 80, then 90%, etc, as we approach net zero AND zero AGW CO2 emisions. Quote:
another non sequitur: commentators from tje UN down, and the majotrity of IPCC scientists. Now, despite yur ideologically crippled brain, are you ready to offer solutions to reduce youth crime, other than "locking them up" |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 5th, 2024 at 9:31pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
So you believe in NET ZERO and believe in ZERO? ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
So you know what is the "normal" level of CO2. That's good, because the Climate Scientists you like don't know that. Better tell them quick, we wouldn't want to overdo the sucking of CO2 out of the atmosphere. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Ah, so we don't have them. It is not like you to be so open. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
And yet you haven't been able to cite any paper that says so. You rely on "reading between the lines", and fail signally at that. ::) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Commentators like Gutterres - "the oceans are boiling"? ;D ;D ;D Figueres - "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 - you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation." Edenhofer - "Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the worlds resources will be negotiated." And then the IPCC WG1 - The Physical Science Basis, something you studiously ignore. I have given you the information before. You just don't BELIEVE it, you prfer your own cabal of "scientists". ;) https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter12.pdf Page 90. thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
So where exactly did I say that. I searched and it appears I didn't. ;) Just another "attribution" study you got wrong. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 5th, 2024 at 10:14pm
Dividie?? Net zero age of responsibility? Is that your allusion? Not ILLUSION... or is it zero age of responsibility - little bastard's guilty from the moment he pops out.... Zero/Net Zero.... what is this? Pearl Harbour with the falcon Zeroes?
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:34am lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 7:26pm:
The government, you blind idiot. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 9:31pm:
Backed by scientists. Quote:
Correct. So pull your finger out and transition to renewables ASAP. Quote:
Again...the highlighted is correct, but the opening sentence is BS: filthy fossils are injurious to the environment and humans, as well as the climate. Quote:
Dummy, you haven't addressed the thread's title, nor the underlying problem, ie, the cause of youth crime. I'm asking for your solution, other than graps "locking them up". Quote:
Refuted above, though poor dumb lee can't see it. Deplorable. Now, move your ignorant "clean fossils" and "climate hoax" theories to where they belong; I won't be discussing them further here, because graps is easily confused... Speaking of graps, let's check his lastest "contribution"... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 6th, 2024 at 11:08am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 10:14pm:
Ah -ha: poor graps continues to be confused by lee's nonsense, as I warned in my previous post. Lets read on: Quote:
No, it's YOUR confusion.... Never fear, I have banished lee's ignorant climate theories (in my previous post) from this thread, so you won't able to accuse me of being responsible for your confusion, from now on. Now, stop being a blind Conservative twit like lee, and address the causes of youth crime, without the navel gazing re 'the age of criminal responsibility'. Thank you. :( |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 6th, 2024 at 1:00pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
So now you don't know. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
And yet it is never cited. So how do YOU know that they KNOW. You know pre-industrial takes in the LIA. A time of starvation anf famine. And you want to go back to those times. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D BTW - the ice cores show that CO2 rises before temperature rises. So your KNOWLEDGE is seriously deficient. thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Really? Water boils at 100C, salt water slightly higher. The reported ocean temperature in ONE part of the USA got to around 100F (something less than 38C). And you reckon scientists backed that? They must be numerically deficient, IF they did, something I don't recall happening. But I am sure you will read between the lines somewhere. ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
So what you really want is to take the world back from 150 years of growth. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
So he only got it part right, part wrong and only YOU know the difference. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Nope. So you quoted something trhat wasn't even attributable to me. That is so YOU. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Poor tgd, believes he refutes things, whereas he merely disagrees. Refutation requires proof. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
And yet you are the one that keeps trying to prove me wrong, and fails. And you expect the Government to fund your lifestyle? Wow. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But I see you left out what the IPCC has concluded. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:35am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 8:58am:
Those are retired/retiring NBA players over the age of 35. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:37am Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
What of it? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:52am Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:47pm:
It is unlike me to defend thegreatdivide. But, on this occasion, he is right. We do have the capabilities to transition to a more environmentally sustainable economy. The thing is, the transition is not going to happen in a short space of time (within 5 years). And international macroeconomics will have to undergo a similar transition for Australia to be under any pressure to need to change to this environmentally sustainable economy. The thing about Australia's economy is our ever reliant need to dig up natural resources and send it to China. And if we stop doing that, then the country will stop having money. What Australia focuses upon is the need to keep the biodiversity either sustained or maintained. If we lose our ability to keep pests and diseases out of the country, I will lose the ability to keep my job washing dishes. I realise that the quarantining procedures in Australia is such that we could handle an outbreak. And, therefore, Australia should be able to do our job of keeping an environmentally sustainable economy functioning, without going over the top and losing our export industries to some ecoNazis. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:17pm
Banana Republics don't have green energy - they try to have supplies of old wood to burn for cooking and heating etc... burns better with less smoke....
MY statement - macroeconomic and microeconomics desperately needs overhaul, along with all the social issues that create the current environment of New Robber Barons, which includes our political class, imposing Economic Feudalism on the majority... just not your way. I have the answers - not you ...... all you have is dogma or lack of knowledge and understanding.... First we'll resolve the underlying issues for this country - install a Two State Solution and fully review and revamp immigration, install deportation or exile of malefactor .... divorce from the 'global economy' and its stable mate 'internationalism' or 'equalising all worldwide in equal poverty for the majority but not those who install it' (nothing new there) ... drain the billabongs first - then count the remaining crocodiles ... regain control of our own Homeland and then create a better world for those deemed worthy of remaining here.... tax people who ship funds to tax havens for every cent they bring in or take out.... impose new rules for business Offshore to operate here with minimum tax payable (sort the sheep from the goats ... the vultures from the eagles we have hooded on the hand) ... It's a big ask .. requiring a big man..... 8-) .. a man of vision and of dedication to right first and foremost ... You bring the slippery slope to determining eligibility and I'll bring the grease ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:43pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:52am:
Spot on Unsub. The sad fact is people think the necessary transition to a global green economy can happen under the current global financial arrangements headed by the IMF ("Instant Misery Fund" ) and WTO "free trade" agreements. It can't. Quote:
Yes - under the current obsolete 'every man/country for himself/itself, which is why agreement can't be reached on how to fund the transition. (I have discussed a new system often enough, in the MMT thread; the IMF and World Bnak could be authorized to issue national currencies as required, to fund a just transition for all. Co-operation, not competition, is required for the green transition to to be equitably achieved. Not surpringly, COP29 only kicked the 'funding can' down the road...) Quote:
All good, except the point re losing income from fossil fuel exports - which will have to cease ASAP, in coordination with the rest of the world. The HOW that can be achieved outlined above. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 7th, 2024 at 1:17pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:17pm:
Your error: they don't try to do that, they are FORCED to do it because of poor economic conditions/development. Quote:
So we are arguing over the TYPE of new macro-economics required? Quote:
I admire your boundless self-confidence, it's up there with Trump's..... :-? Quote:
Won't work, too many blacks (and whites claiming to be black) are already fully integrated into Oz's modern white economy, they won't accept their black brethren being separated into an apartheid-style 2 state solution. Quote:
There's your blind Conservative lie again - deliberately, or ignorantly equating eradication of poverty with equality of outcome. Deplorable. Proving that - despite your self-confidence - you remain uneducable. Quote:
Ill pass on the rambling narrative; examining macroeconomic systems requires precise understanding of the nature of money, and the difference between maco and micro economics. Quote:
Indeed. Quote:
Your error: we all have the right AND responsibility to participate in the economy; and it's the government's responsibility to ensure that outcome is achieved with no-one living in systemic/generational poverty. No "slippery slope" involved. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:33pm
"Banana Republics don't have green energy - they try to have supplies of old wood to burn for cooking and heating etc... burns better with less smoke....
Your error: they don't try to do that, they are FORCED to do it because of poor economic conditions/development." So - to your way of thinking the forward-thinking and positive minded Neo-Serf will not make efforts to have a supply of firewood? Their being forced to do so - as opposed to the current approach - is precisely the question.. but a different question ..... so I will say again - Banana Republics don't have Green energy. Now - who is forcing the Borneo hill tribes to gather firewood instead of turning on the air con and TV? Who is forcing the Aborigines to adhere to 'traditional' ways while watching the TV and cracking a tinny? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:04pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:33pm:
See the result of lee leading you astray, you better stick to the thread topic. ....(note: "positive minded neo serfs", like the rest of us, will need to transition to green technologies, with World Bank assistance if required). Quote:
Answer: the current false neoclassical economic orthodoxy which forces the people who are least able to compete in the job market into welfare dependency. Hope that helps. ...(looking for the appropriate emoji....) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:07pm
Lowering the boom on the age of the criminal green economy - is not the same as lowering the age of criminal responsibility.
You've wandered far into the madding crowd... We're not discussing WHY they are in the position they are in ..... we are discussing whether or not the age of criminal responsibility should be lowered and if it is - what effects it will have. Being poor and disadvantaged is no excuse for crime.... the discussion is the age at which they should be held to be fully criminally liable for their criminal actions. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 8th, 2024 at 12:36pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Apart from the fact the highlighted is one of your typically incomprehensible pieces of nonsense - even if it's intended to push lee's 'climate hoax'theories, the wide-spread attempt - and disputation - to determine the age of criminal responsibiliy is merely a diversion to avoid examining the causes of youth crime. Deplorable. Quote:
Really? Let's read on... Quote:
The high-lighted: your error. Being poor and disadvataged is assocaited with higher crime rates. Poverty and socioeconomic factors are linked to crime in Australia, as shown by the following statistics: Poverty rates In 2019-2020, 13% of Australians, including almost 800,000 children, lived below the poverty line. The average income for households living in poverty is less than half of the poverty line. Juvenile crime Poverty, single-parent families, and crowded dwellings can increase the rate of child neglect, which is a major factor in juvenile crime. Do try to keep up.... :( |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:21pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 12:36pm:
Another non sequitur from you. You just can't help your over-emotional state. You have provided nothing. Except of course those unnamed "experts". But tell us how exactly did you decide they were "experts"? The most appearances in a Google-fu search? From one of your select group of experts nominating another? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:08pm lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
The "non sequitur" is actually the illogicallity in graps nonsense narrative, which you are attempting to support by blaming his nonsense on me, in a laughable Laurel and Hardy passing the baton routine. Now...back to the topic, dummy; you will see it at the top of the page.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
And yet YOU are trhe one who constantly brings up "climate hoax". ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:53am lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
ah-ha , lee with his usual fraudulent debating tricks, hoping no one will notice; the post was to graps who is still playing a silly 'pass the baton' routine with lee. I already informed lee I wont be replying to his climate hoax theory in this thread again.... but lee will keep referring to it whenever I chastize graps for following lee's theory, mixing it up with graps resulting illogical narratives about age of criminal responsibility... Now...back to the topic, dummy; you will see it at the top of the page.... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 9th, 2024 at 11:07am
Yesterday Senator Price was agreeing with the very receptive Sky News team that the 'welcome to country' charade has gone on long enough.
She noted symbolic gestures like that, as well as 'treaties with first nations' people' (eg NZ, Canada) don't improve living standards for blacks (or close the gap). She said (correctly) "black people have to get jobs" - BUT she didn't say how they are to do that, when worse than useless Bullock is committed to the awful NAIRU dogma of mainstream neoclassical economists which posits a certain level of unemployment to control inflation. Deplorable. Price of course is a freemarket ideologue who can't see the damage caused to those who are least able to compete in the (free-market) job market, which for historical and cultural reasons most egregiously affects the black population. And to repeat , for the dummies like graps and lee who can't see the connection between systemic poverty from life on the unemployment scrap heap, and crime, here it is again (from #461): Juvenile crime Poverty, single-parent families, and crowded dwellings can increase the rate of child neglect, which is a major factor in juvenile crime. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2024 at 2:52pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:53am:
Two things pet. 1. You are the one has "lee's climate hoax" theory. Something that you haven't qualified or quantified. Why is that? There is nowhere I have said climate is a hoax. ;) 2. Even if you refer to graps, when you include me I must continue to ask you to tell the truth. Where have I said climate is a hoax? ;D ;D It is you trying to obfuscate about the climate. Something you seemingly admit, even though you often say after, AGW-CO2 "IF TRUE". If you don't believe it true say so. In other word Piss or Get Off the Pot as my late father-in-law would say. ;) thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:53am:
See there again you call it my theory. But it is your theory of what I have said. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 9th, 2024 at 2:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 11:07am:
Only "can" and not "will"? Your language skills are reducing rapidly. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Valkie on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:54pm
All of the problems with aboriginals could be simply solved.
Take the dole off them and make them get a job. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Brian Ross on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:23pm |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Frank on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:49pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:23pm: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=usersrecentposts;username=Brian_Ross |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Brian Ross on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:36pm |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 10th, 2024 at 12:44am Valkie wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:54pm:
It's coming. It is coming. When the next government takes power, indigenous Australians will lose their special treatment and have to work in order to maintain their privileged lifestyle. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:48am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 12:44am:
Arrgh - be jobs available on great interconnecting rail and highway plan - GAIA III - even 'way out there' someone can find work... train is better - the driver can drop off for a snooze and not miss a mile... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:52am
Deep is the paranoia in this one - I scarcely notice 'lee' here.... let alone pass any baton.... I do that with no user but stand alone... a proud Australian man who has done it all .... and now justice is coming...
Why is anyone wasting time and energy here posting yawns or arguing with yawners? It's boring... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Aurora Complexus on Dec 10th, 2024 at 3:01am
There are plenty of Aborigines in Queensland and Western Australia too. Why is it only in the NT that these attempts to substitute rule for law for parental responsibility, are always making the news?
Seems Howard's "little children are sacred" intervention didn't seem to work. Perhaps parents react to government over-reach, by being even worse parents ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Aurora Complexus on Dec 10th, 2024 at 3:12am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 12:44am:
Perhaps the conflict between traditional lifestyle and western lifestyle, produces dysfunctional families. Parents want their children to have opportunities they did not have (and this applies to every race and ethnicity.) They just don't know how. Sending their children to school every day, would certainly help. Government spends good money to keep schools open, when attendance would see them closed anywhere else. By the way, government over funds remote schools for while kids too. Aboriginal kids have other challenges besides just being remote: there's that conflict between cultures, which manifests in low attendance. They need more and smaller schools, with smaller class sizes but still plenty of teachers. It would help if more of the teachers were aboriginal themselves, but that's never going to happen if you can't raise graduation rates. When you talk about "privileged lifestyles" I think you intend to close rural schools (particularly majority aboriginal, but perhaps you're going to be fair and take away schools for white kids too?) And as to jobs, yeah how are you going to provide jobs for rural aboriginal kids, when you have further reduced their academic qualifications? Do you have in mind an Asian agrarian economy, with kids planting rice by hand? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:11am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:37am:
Well they shouldn't be you idiot. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:22am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:52am:
Well don't try & defend the indefensible and no he is not right. When Australia is responsible for a little over 1% of the total global emissions it's ridiculous that we are on a headlong path backwards towards unreliable power supply, brown & blackouts. It not progress it's regression - it's not green, it's not clean and it certainly is a misnomer to call it renewable. It will open up more environmentally destructive mining in the chase for the rare earths & minerals required to make solar panels - plus the fossil fuels still required in the manufacture of wind turbines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqppRC37OgI |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:32am Aurora Complexus wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 3:01am:
It did work. When LABOR removed the "intervention measures" & cashless debit cards women elders in communities all over the Territory wanted it back - because the rates of sexual assault, DV, child sexual abuse went through the roof. In case you didn't notice Territorians kicked Labor to the kerb in a massive defeat at the last election. The same has happened in QLD. that too driven by the voting public being fed up with the rampant youth crime rate & the revolving door of the Youth Justice system. Piss weak ineffectual Labor legislation & attitudes towards crime. Victims don't count for them. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 10th, 2024 at 9:45am Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:11am:
Pyramid builders had a life expectancy of about 21-22 - as long as their teeth lasted basically..... so they bred early ..... like our nomadic hunter-gatherers with their short lifespan - they rooted fast, bred fast and died fast... and sadly for them and for certain other tribal types still lost in the mists of history - their 'culture' still insists on that. That is one reason they are so backward in education and jobs etc... with some exceptions - young men and women are still instilled with the idea of breeding fast etc in case they die or are killed. Like The Mad Musso From Mecca type - they simply cannot see that they are now in a country with excellent healthcare and increasing longevity. The bastards breed like flies!! Did you know that during the 'genocide' - the actual Arab population of Gaza GREW by 50,000? They breed like Phar Khen flies!! Now then - about those idiots in politics and 'education' who have started and are continuing a war against 'boomers' and other olders (Elders in PC - SS parlance) as they come on line - without first considering that those now longer-living boomers etc could and would happily do something constructive as a job. Do you know how many old blokes and women are in the Rural Fire Service volunteers? Marine Rescue volunteers? And all such? You take all those for granted - until your boat turns over and the sharks are circling or the fires have your house surrounded. Do you think they are all RICH! The RICH bastards don't DO 'service to the people', you silly twats. They lie back in luxury and the hardest work they do is in the gym and on the tan bed. It's MOSTLY the older people who fill those spots while young assholes whine about how their future was stolen by people who worked like dogs to get a home etc, and in most cases, never had an overseas holiday or a flash car, let alone an investment portfolio or a property portfolio. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:18pm Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:11am:
"Well" excuuuse me. I happen to be proud of my adult children. It is YOU that needs to work the 60 hours a week and have your income tax pay for my children's upkeep, whilst I drink away the days and wonder "what if I actually got a full time job at 15 years of age and worked the last 30 years of my life". At least you would not be reading my posts on a discussion forum. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:33pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:18pm:
Case proven. 16 yr old girls should not be having babies. 16 yr old irresponsible idiots like you were should be double bricked. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:34pm
I was shot in the shoulder at the age of 10 years. I went and treated myself to wound repair, which included digging out the projectile. I kept quiet about what happened because you don't report those kinds of people. When the gunman found out that I was going to keep quiet, he decided that he would not finish the job.
I was subjected to death threats between the ages of 9 to about 14 years of age. I found out in my adulthood that I was subjected to bs from some mouth breather pederast that did not like the fact that I found out about his lifestyle choice. He also claimed to have some ancestry of people that were made citizens of Australia in 1967. Somehow, he thought that it was special. Turning 12, I was getting to a point where I just started to give up on worrying about what adults thought. I became a father at age 12 to about 3 women -- (or should I say, 2 adult women and a girl my age). To my knowledge, all three babies were girls. I did not care. Everyone kept quiet about my situation. In fact, one of the adult women wanted to have another baby with me, even when I was still well below the legal age. The other considered having another baby. But, she decided to concentrate on her well-paying career. The girl my age decided to give up her baby for adoption and concentrate on being a teenager. You might say that teenagers should not be having children before they are financially ready. But, I am a person who was never going to be financially ready whilst I have issues to deal with. My daughter actually became my supervisor a few years ago, and I had not problem with that. I just don't really want to tell my parents who she is. I just have to contend with my parents accepting that I am a sperm donor. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:39pm Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:33pm:
There are people like me who did not give a damn about using condoms when they were 12 years of age sleeping with adult women. But, my children grew up in loving families and became very good adults. I think I have an unofficial national record of being the youngest grandfather at age 29. My daughter had her first son, at age 17. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:41pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:39pm:
The perpetuation of feral welfare bludgers ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:13pm Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:41pm:
Given that I have a grudge I hold against the state and federal governments since 1988, I don't care if I have another 100 children to 30 different women before I turn 50 years of age. The government (taxpayer) can pay for their upkeep. And what does it matter, anyway? My children have turned out to be very good people. They inherited the good traits that I have. Had they been shot at and abused since childhood like I was, they probably would have been long-term welfare recipients like me. They are not feral welfare bludgers. Two are actual fashion models for the local scene. One plays football. Just about all of them of working age do 20 to 50 hours per week (which is more than I do). Realistically, I doubt the region could do without them keeping the decency of the town at a respectable level. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:22am:
Looking forward is not your strong suit.... When the rest of the world has transitioned, Oz will have no markets for its coal, and won't be able to import nuclear technology from a disgusted world. And we would be facing all sorts of trade barriers. Quote:
Wrong of course; 10 snowy2.0s (on the GDR) and ten Suncable equivalenet plus wind, can easily supply green power for 26 million people living on the edge of a vast sunny desert. Quote:
Not when the ten snowys; etc are powered by clean energy. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:42pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 9:45am:
Cost of housing cf the median wage has tripled (or more) in the past four decades, hence fewer young people can even dream of owning a houses these days. And home ownership rates are falling, not because young people are spendthrifts. ... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
So what is the cost of these? Is it Government money or philanthropic billionaires? thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
So what is the fuel of choice for these mines? And don't forget, despite your protestations to the contrary, no-one has said the renewables can be manufactured from renewables. Unless of course, you have suddenly found one? ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:59pm Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:32am:
OK, but when you have locked up the wrongdoers, and even restricted grog, and reinstated the cashless welfare card, what then? Telling people to "get a job" won't work if they cant compete in the regular job market, and are forced onto the unemployment scrap heap (aka ironically called the 'welfare safery net'). Quote:
Certainly they think it's cheaper to ignore the victims than to deal with the causes of crime. Household income, neglect and juvenile crime The study argued that policies designed to reduce the level of economic stress or attenuate its effects, and early intervention programs designed to reduce the risk of child neglect, have an important role to play in long-term crime prevention. Findings of the study for urban areas were that juvenile participation in crime (measured as rates of Children's Court appearances for property or violent offences) was positively correlated with the following measures of social and economic stress: poverty, unemployment, single parent families, residential stability, and crowded dwellings. It's obvious your "adult crime, adult time" method, by itself, won't solve youth crime. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:52am:
Pull the other one... You never created crazy narratives combining 'age of criminal responsibilty' with your reworkings of lee's 'climate hoax' theory, before he showed up and tried to argue against a Job Guarantee; he's mentally incompetent and unable to mount a logical argument against a JG or government funding/taxation, so resorts to "but you lost the argument because Keen promoted it" type of debate. Deplorable. And no acknowledgement from you re the correlation between poverty and youth crime: https://www.aic.gov.au/crg/reports/crg-1795-6 Household income, neglect and juvenile crime The study argued that policies designed to reduce the level of economic stress or attenuate its effects, and early intervention programs designed to reduce the risk of child neglect, have an important role to play in long-term crime prevention. Findings of the study for urban areas were that juvenile participation in crime (measured as rates of Children's Court appearances for property or violent offences) was positively correlated with the following measures of social and economic stress: poverty, unemployment, single parent families, residential stability, and crowded dwellings. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
So still with "lee's 'climate hoax' theory". And yet you haven't define it anywhere. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus You are just a serial liar. thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
No you lost the argument on your own merits. Choosing Keen's affiliates ensures you can keep your circular argument. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:13am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:20am thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Not when the ten snowys; etc are powered by clean energy. [/quote] It's certainly not yours ..... you & the renewables push will have us back in the dark ages in no time. Watch this & take some reality as to your renewables BS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqppRC37OgI |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:54am Gnads wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:20am:
Only 30 secs. in and he's already talking crap, trying to confuse people like you. So PVs can only ever achieve 40% (or whatever) efficiency - so what. There are enough hot deserts in the world to power the globe many times over; and to ensure available resources, PV recycling plants are already coming into operation; and if some minerals are in short supply to achieve 100% renewables and storage, nuclear can complete the final mile to achieve a zero emissions energy system. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 11th, 2024 at 8:40am thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:54am:
Bullshyte - so you want to cover deserts with enough solar panels to power the globe during the day?.... and at night? Batteries won't do it either. Never mind that most of the desert regions are National Parks/protected regions with diverse ranges of animal inhabitants. And your renewables net zero imbeciles don't want nuclear either. I know for a fact that you talk far more crap than the fellow in that clip .... and he talks a better level of factual crap than you ever will. You never refuted one thing he said. Just phukk off to your fantasy world full of Unobtainium. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:54am:
And yet you can't even provide evidence of this so-called crap. You have no engineering skills, no economic skills. Nothing but "social engineering skills". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:54am:
So how much of these deserts, presumably caused by climate change in the past, should be covered? There are plenty of minerals in short supply. Each wind turbine needs copper, rather than a steam turbine which can do it all with less copper used. And that's just ONE item. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:37am Gnads wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 8:40am:
An area the size of the Sahara can power the globe. Quote:
Batteries of all sizes, from homes to grid scale batteries PLUS very long-term pumped hydro will do it. Now, let's back to "age of criminal responsibility"...and the positive correlation between poverty and youth crime.... Crisafulli might be able to 'lock them up" in the short term, but he won't fix the underlying problem which will keep getting bigger until the postive correlation noted in previous posts is addresed. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:44am lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
Wrong thread, you'll keep confusing graps. Time to consider the CAUSES of youth crime (given the positive correlation beween poverty and youth crime), and the correct policies to deal with it. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:55am lee wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:47pm:
I'll defer to the experts from the IPCC down. Quote:
Like all the experts from the IPCC down? Whereas your 'clean fossils theoty is a lie, everyone knows combustion of fossils - like tabacco - create harmful emissions. Quote:
Refuted above; yours is the circular argument, deny the experts on AGW-CO2, and lie about 'clean fossils'.... Now - about the positive correlation between poverty and youth crime....I suppose you want to deny the evidence contained in linked articles studying that correlation, as well..... |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 12th, 2024 at 12:00pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:37am:
Now why would you want to do something so monumentally stupid as that? You know that's just a ridiculous thing to put forth? What about at night? The globes LED house lights maybe but no industry. Back to the dark ages after we put 9.2 million square klms of the Sahara under glass. Honestly you're a dead set plonker. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:10pm Gnads wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 7:13am:
You laugh at people who are 10 years old and get shot in the shoulder by drug dealers? I see now where you stand. Stick around BCF. You are a big enough bitch to hang around there. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 13th, 2024 at 11:01am
So we know there is a positive correlation between poverty and youth crime; how can the government intervene to fix the problem?
Interestingly, Trumpy (who ain't no Libertarian), understands the scale of the intervention required to fix the homelessness problem: (The Independent) Elon Musk calls homelessness a ‘lie’ and ‘propaganda’ — and Trump is listening Musk says “Homeless is a misnomer. It implies that someone got a little bit behind on their mortgage, and if you just gave them a job, they’d be back on their feet,” he told former Fox News personality Tucker Carlson in October. “What you actually have are violent drug zombies with dead eyes, and needles and human feces on the street.” Trump has a view on how to deal with it: Trump, meanwhile, says people experiencing homelessness should be forced into treatment or mental institutions “or face arrest”. His campaign has promised to “end the nightmare” of the “dangerously deranged” with a plan to “open large parcels of inexpensive land, bring in doctors, psychiatrists, social workers, and drug rehab specialists, and create tent cities where the homeless can be relocated and their problems identified”. He wants to “bring back mental institutions to house and rehabilitate those who are severely mentally ill or dangerously deranged with the goal of reintegrating them back into society.” Good on ya', Trumpy; and necessary (despite what "bleeding-heart liberals" say) ...although rather costly for the taxpayer? Meanwhile, a view from the ("bleeding -hearts") mainstream Left: Musk and Trump are not alone. Influential billionaires and right-wing think tanks have been advancing legislation that criminalizes homelessness in Congress and at the Supreme Court..., "Criminalizing homelessness" - there's a 'novel' approach.... “and they all share this backwards, incorrect view that if we punish people enough, they will choose not to be poor”, according to Jesse Rabinowitz, campaign and communications director with the National Homelessness Law Center. Rabinovitch continues: The primary driver of homelessness, particularly among families, is a lack of stable affordable housing, with evictions, overcrowded housing, domestic violence and job losses sending homeless families into shelters and onto the streets. “Ending homelessness comes down to three things: using person-centered and evidence-based policy and program design, providing key resources at a scale necessary to get the job done, and showing the leadership and public will to keep a long-term commitment to our goals. Our leaders have honored that commitment to veterans. It is now time for them to honor it for the rest of the nation.” Yes, but neither side (Left or Right) - with a different view of the causes of, and solutions to, the problem - has addressed how to pay for these massive needed interventions. Gnads says....stay away from taxing me or 'hardworking (!) billionaires'. (They actually "earned" all that money, you see....like Musk who has "earned" over $200 billion since Trump's win). So the 'funding-can' justs keeps getting kicked down the road. Deplorable. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:47pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
No ... I laughed more that you reckoned you ministered to/treated yourself for any injury & kept quiet so they wouldn't come back to finish you off. ;D ;D Do you know how ridiculous that sounds - besides you getting shot no one knowing about it? What did they shoot you with? A potato gun? ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:50pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
That would put me in the same category as you ..... only I'm not a big pathological lying story teller as you. Yeah I understand you think it's all true. ;D |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 11:01am:
;D Just STFU you plonker. Unless it's escaped you're attention the evil Trump is now back as POTUS for the second time in 8 years. Peccar made a wager that he'd leave this forum if Trump won the first time ..... he reneged on that bet. Trump has won again & yet Peccar still has the audacity to grace these pages. Why don't you prove you're a better man than Peccar - now Trumps back in for a 2nd term .... & phuk off. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:06pm Gnads wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:47pm:
I was shot from a distance of about 10 metres by someone that had one of those small handguns. Sorry, I did not get the make of the pistol. I was too busy kneeling on the ground, holding my shoulder, wondering if I was going to be finished off, listening to the shooter making racist comments about my value to society. This was back in the day when I spent an hour under my parents' house digging out the small calibre projectile out of the shoulder. Then I had to sneak upstairs, shower and then patch up the wound with Mum's extensive bandage kit. Had the shooter hit me about 2 cm lower, I might not have much use of the left arm. I went to school the next week and was excused by the teacher for participating in the rest of the swimming activities. I was fine a month after the incident. This was 1990, back in the days when the police did not give a ****. The shooter went back into training for his potential deployment to Iraq. But, I think he was given special consideration not to go, because he helped the police retain job security. And since he is indigenous, he probably would have gotten a slap on the wrist for shooting a white child. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:14pm Gnads wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
No wonder why I hate going on leave. I would not be surprised if you are that f** that stood with that glum look on his face, thinking he is above the law, awaiting his boyfriend's decision to make my life a bit of a problem. You don't realise this, but I have been subjected to death threats by drug dealers, drug users, police, ambo, members of the armed forces, and certain politicians, ever since I was a child. The reason: I am anti-drug. And that gets in the way of the above groups' ability to retain job security. But, hey, you keep being you. Someone will come along some time in the near future and see to it that you don't get internet access. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 14th, 2024 at 4:32pm Gnads wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:55pm:
No, thank you. Quote:
Er you are confused; you failed to notice the size of the massive government intervention which Trump's policies to deal with social problems (outlined in the article), and the contradiction of funding this massive intervention in the face of Musk's government cost-cutting mission. Quote:
Because I have never suffered from TDS.... I'm all for massive government intervention to fix entrenched social problems. As Trump said in 2016 re inner-city blacks in the US: You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones. your young men are in prison..." I knew Trump was in with a good chance against Hillary, after showing the nous to at least confront the reality of entrenched poverty, while the Dems were only continuing with their old lie: "we have your backs"..... BS. So back to the problem: Studies have shown a positive correlation between poverty and youth crime; how can the government intervene to fix the problem? graps and lee have run away, perhaps you can assist them with some ideas? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 20th, 2024 at 9:29am thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 4:32pm:
Anyone? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:29pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 9:29am:
Criminals tend to be middle-income to upper middle-income people. They make their money very carefully. If you are talking about petty crime, yes, you would find that the more impoverished of people committing most of the crime. Being poor and working few hours per week, I had nothing much to do with my time when I went on leave. I overspent on unnecessary expenses to a point that I had to stop spending on anything fun. Given the reduction in spending, I had to find different ways to entertain myself. I noticed that I started going around acting aggressive in situations that did not call for it. But once I was back at work, I tended to be the normal self. Give teenagers something to do. Most of the antisocial behaviour is due to teenagers having no sense of direction. When they have something to do, they have something to defend. Then the person is not likely to risk losing what they earned. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 21st, 2024 at 10:56am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
Directly refuted by google: "People from lower social classes are more likely to commit crime than people from upper classes, but there are many factors that influence crime and social class is not the only one: Socioeconomic status Research shows that people from lower socioeconomic classes are more likely to be involved in criminal activities." Quote:
You erroneous analysis re the socio-economic status of criminals is based on your attempt to understand the world on the basis of your own experience. Macroeconomic phenomena cannot be explained by an individual, on the basis of his own (micro economic) experience. eg in a depression, everyone tries - sensibly for the individual - to save money (because of fear of unemployment etc), which only makes the macro economy worse as total consumption decreases. Quote:
A correct statement as it stands; but, being anaware of - incapable of comprehending - macro economic (nation-wide) forces acting on individuals, you fail to say WHO will "give (wayward) teenagers in a community something to do", and how such a program will be administered. So: studies show a positive correlation between poverty and youth crime.... Can any one assist graps, gnads, lee - and SR who can't see past his own navel? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 12:05pm
You are refuting my argument based on what "google" says? I use google to look up reputable sources. However, I generally turn to books or verifiable websites to do my research.
Richer people tend to get away with crimes. When they are not convicted, it is deemed that no crimes were convicted. A poor person, with few resources or responsibilities to fall back upon, might get caught up in a criminal act. They are likely to rely on the public defender. However, ultimately, they are likely to be convicted. Just yesterday, a person got caught up in an altercation with someone from a high-income employment role. The "rich bitch" (as I shall call him) decided to verbally abuse the person over a matter of a parking space. He decided to use his position of authority to act all entitled in a place that was not his to dictate. If it was a poor person who did such a thing, his car would be up on bricks in another part of the shopping centre car park. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 2:32pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 12:05pm:
Your error: google is - among alia - an index to many reputable studies showing the correlation between poverty and youth crime, as opposed to your erroneous statements based merely on your own experiences and and your own "research". The trustworthiness, or otherwise, of google searches is amplified by a consensus of the search results, and the qualification of the authors of the study. eg please google a link to a study which affirms your ignorant assertion that "Criminals tend to be middle-income to upper middle-income people"; bearing in mind the issue here is violent (youth) crime against persons Quote:
Now you have changed your story: rich people may well find it easier get away with some crimes or bad behaviour, but not violent crimes against persons; but the fact remains, poverty is correlated to youth crime, and it is youth crime which is causing the "adult crime - adult time" hoohaa in Oz at present. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 7:03pm
How does poverty cause criminality?
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 12:42pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2024 at 7:03pm:
You mean: why is there a positive correlation between poverty and crime.... Anyway (off the top of my head) because chronic un-met need results in bad behaviour? For a more general overview: https://hilo.hawaii.edu/campuscenter/hohonu/volumes/documents/Vol07x03TheCauseofCrime.pdf (excerpt) Poverty was one of the first aspects ever thought to be related to criminal activity. Many youth deal with this epidemic, as 17.4 % of American children lived in poverty in 2006. Growing up in poverty is like being exiled from society, it is being alienated in your own country (Krugman 1) Although many propose that poverty is crime's root cause, another view suggests that inequality is the main source of crime. Poverty is considered to be absolute deprivation while inequality is defined as relative deprivation. In other words, absolute deprivation is the lack of the resources needed to maintain a quality life and relative deprivation is having a lack of resources compared to those in the same community. It is believed that each individual assesses inequality in their own way. Property crime is the most common crime correlated with inequality, as it allows individuals to balance the resources around them. Other individuals can grow a deep anger associated with inequality that produces violent behavior. This deep anger angle is becoming more prominent with many criminologists. A quote from Karl Marx sums up inequality. Marx says; 'A house can be large or small; as long as the surrounding houses are equally small it satisfies social demands. But if a palace rises beside the little house, the little house shrinks into a hut (Poverty, Inequality and Crime.2) So how do we ensure everyone has access to above poverty employment (as opposed to poverty level "welfare") , to enable access to basic needs, and with it ability to engage postively with society? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 24th, 2024 at 12:38pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 12:42pm:
For your theory to be proven true, it must be accepted that indigenous children have resources given to them at a rate that exceeds that of non-indigenous children. Therefore, the rate of criminal in non-indigenous families must be higher than those of indigenous families, because of their chronic un-met needs. Why should crime be tolerated among those indigenous people, when they have their basic needs met? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 25th, 2024 at 7:51pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 12:14pm:
You inferring I'm a poof? ;D The only one who has made your life a bit of a problem is yourself. Gees the whole gamut out to get you .... you were anti-drug as a 10 yr old? and a threat to these people? ;D Yet you went onto use whatever & become an alcoholic. last highlight - Is that some sort of threat you're making? |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 27th, 2024 at 2:47pm
For all I know, you might be a bit of a poof. Not that it even matters. It took you 2 weeks to respond with that level of wit? I would expect better.
Most of my problems are my fault. But, I have not had the best of parenting. I have not had the worst of parenting, either. I was shot as a 10 y.o. for telling off some little poo for being a little poo. Unfortunately, I did not know that he had an uncle that was in the drug dealing business. I also did not know that this uncle was part of the Australian Army. So, police could do nothing, even if I asked them to do something about it. Only recently (the last 6 months) I have found out where the drugs are sent in this town for pick up. I know of two places that are drug dens. And I have noted that there are people running certain organisations that are dealing drugs in town. People have made it so obvious that I have been targeted with expulsion from using these organisations or affiliated organisations. I had to quit training at one place, because the supervisor at this place decided that I was too much of a risk to retain. Oh, I drink. In fact, I am drinking right now. Surprisingly, I have lost the desire to drink in the last few months. I may even quit (*snicker*) drinking (*chortle*) in the year 2025. With the way my training is going, I will have to stay focused for my new job. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 28th, 2024 at 9:10am UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 27th, 2024 at 2:47pm:
Yeah so? .... you're not a real priority. I was having a browse & there you were again with some other fanciful Disneyland story. I re-iterate - a 10 yr old shot for telling another kid off? Yeah nah. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 28th, 2024 at 12:39pm
You don't realise how easily some people can be triggered. Shooting a child in Australia is easy if you don't get prosecuted because of your racial background and the fact that there is a loss of 'business' if you don't show your drug dealing mates that you mean business.
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 28th, 2024 at 7:09pm
Why is this in Aboriginal Affairs? (heh, heh, heh)....
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 29th, 2024 at 12:03pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
A classic case of reversal of cause and effect, a specialty of Conservatives. For your information, black kids in broken, poverty- stricken, welfare-dependent families aren't "given more resources than white kids" - I'll let reality speak for itself Whereas the proven positive correlation between poverty and inequality, as a cause of crime, is not a theory, it's an observed reality. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 29th, 2024 at 12:13pm
It's all about the entrenched comparative disadvantage, innit? When they were free ranging and chasing lunch about the lend, they were at the top of the game - now they are drowning in the White Man's luxury and largesse... terrible thing if they haven't got the best mansion and the best cars and all that - for nothing.
They could always take to the lend again and chase lunch and again be the top predator whose only real danger to their supremacism at the top of the totem was one another. Australia needs to get its thinking straightened out after near fifty years of the social science strait jackets. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 29th, 2024 at 10:12pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
Maybe you are not indigenous. Maybe you have never had to go hungry for a meal. Just recently, I applied for a Vinnies grocery voucher -- and received it. Being caucasian, it is difficult for me to get much of anything. Without that grocery voucher, I will have trouble with paying bills for the next month. The voucher will give me breathing room for a little while. I have lived in a street where about one in 3 houses are commission homes. As far as money is concerned, the parents live off the generosity of their children being the reason why they can afford to eat and survive. For many of them, they turned to selling drugs to pay for their excesses. Most of the housing commission homes are lived in by indigenous people. The amount of drug parties are rare. However, when they happen, the streets are so dangerous that even my parents' dogs are kept indoors. A lot of criminal activity is conducted by people out to get a reputation as drug runners, dealers, or holders. One house in my street is nototious for having a family hosting drugs in their home. Among those that drive pass the house to get their share are even those that work in the emergency services. I know of a couple that work such jobs, and they have their hands in for their cut. Perhaps they are getting paid off. But, when I know that the lady of the couple has a daughter getting caught up in the business, I worry about her safety. A Centrelink worker admitted to me that he wished that other recipients of welfare were as obligated as I was to get my welfare. He told me that some recipients get 2 or 3 times as much welfare as I do, and the recipients were not expected to do anything near the mutual obligations that I was expected to conduct. So far, my near povery status has not attracted me a desire to start committing crimes. The real reason why indigenous people commit more crimes than non-indigenous people is due to the fact that indigenous people have little to lose. Conviction means that they get a suspended sentence. They will do crimes that involve them being convicted for violent offences. But, if they do something mildly serious, they use their racial background as an excuse to get them from any serious gaol time. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:21pm UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 29th, 2024 at 10:12pm:
Correct and incorrect, respectively. But there is no doubt YOU are ineducable. At least graps, lee and gnads have disapperaed, realizing they can't refute reality. Quote:
Irrelevant to the topic, and how to reduce crime among black and whilte youth. Do try to stay on topic - as graps urged. . |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 30th, 2024 at 3:53pm
tgd,
I live around indigenous people. 10% of my town identify as indigenous Australian. Some of the indigenous people are as caucasian as I. But I have noted that even darker skinned people still accept that there are lighter-skinned indigenous people in my town. It is quite relevant to the topic about criminal responsibility to name having food vouchers as a means to prevent people from committing crimes. If someone in Australia stole food to prevent starvation, it is not a crime. But if someone was constantly going hungry, they might not see food vouchers as being sufficient to get by with any sort of comfort to their self-esteem. There are a lot of petty crimes committed around town by indigenous Australians. They are not worth the police time. But, when it comes down to car thefts, assaults or illegal entry, the police have to intervene. And just about all of these crimes are the result of greed. The amount of resources being given to indigenous Australians would mean that there is no reason to be caught short with food, shelter, clothing, electricity, etc. An indigenous person unemployed gets about as much money for being unemployed as I do if I worked an average 30 hours a week. That is not a great deal of money. But, for someone that sits on their arse all week and getting money, and other benefits for being indigenous, it is pretty good money. What problems arise from this sit down money is boredom. All kinds of social problems arise. The real way to reduce crime is to ensure that the parents are held accountable for their children. Then hold the children accountable for their actions when they are old enough to face court. You might find a bunch of children feel tough about their circumstances early on. But when they are made to be accountable for their actions, they won't feel so tough after a while. I saw it a number of times in my youth. Young indigenous people acting like the antisocial nutcases in their teens. But, once they figure out that they are going to be looking after themselves in their early adulthood, they settle down and act like responsible people. But, if they are expecting to be fed and looked after from cradle to grave, they barely alter their behaviour. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Dec 30th, 2024 at 3:58pm
Not at all - we just can't be bothered endlessly arguing with someone who is uneducable.
We have actual things to do - such as getting a grip on the Ab Original crime rate and recidivism rate and cutting down on their brutal murders of women and abuse and neglect of children by both 'genders', all as a matter of 'culture', and trying to get them to better themselves. You can lead an Aborigine to a goanna feast, but you can't make him eat it.... You just keep going in circles until you have tangled yourself into a limited view which achieves nothing. You've been at it for months and are still going nowhere... nobody believes - many from personal experience - that poverty etc leads to criminality, 'cause it just ain't true. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Gnads on Dec 30th, 2024 at 7:25pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
OMG you really are a self indulgent wanker. ::) As I have stated numerous times to you & Sad Sack - you & reality are poles apart. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:51pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Your error: educable means capable of learning that poverty and inequality are correlated to youth crime, including black kids from socio-economic disadvantage. Unsub's attempt to suggest black kids in socio-economic disadvantge have more resources than other kids is delusional. Quote:
Your error; government intervention is required; "we" as individuals have our own families to support, "we" can't try to "get them to better themselves". Our task is to urge our government to implement the right policies to reduce socioeconomic disadvantage. Quote:
ah....your escape route, to enable you to reject the government's responsibilities (and yours as a voter) to engender social cohesion; the ugly Conservative 'personal responsibility' mind reveals itself in in all its horror. .Welfare. is a disaster and only mantains socioeconomic dysfunction. Let them eat cake.... Quote:
Proving you are uneducable, I have linked to tertiary studies showing the correlation, in particular to youth living in socio-economic disadvantage in dysfunctional families. It's your blind "freedom" ideology which bars you from seeing society's responsibility to ensure all participate in a productive fashion in the nation's economy and social life, whatever their background or socioeconomic status. |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by lee on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:29am thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:51pm:
And you ARE ineducable because correlation is not causation. ::) |
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Title: Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:56am thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:51pm:
ah....your escape route, to enable you to reject the government's responsibilities (and yours as a voter) to engender social cohesion; the ugly Conservative 'personal responsibility' mind reveals itself in in all its horror. .Welfare. is a disaster and only mantains socioeconomic dysfunction. How you go round in circles - nothing more need be said. Let them eat cake.... Quote:
Proving you are uneducable, I have linked to tertiary studies showing the correlation, in particular to youth living in socio-economic disadvantage in dysfunctional families. Studies of specific demographics - hello. MOST people from a disadvantaged background don't turn to crime as their excuse for failure to try It's your blind "freedom" ideology which bars you from seeing society's responsibility to ensure all participate in a productive fashion in the nation's economy and social life, whatever their background or socioeconomic status. I have no 'ideology' other than my own demand for my personal space - you are clearly immersed in ideology so deeply you don't even feel it suffocating your soul. [/quote] |
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