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Message started by Laugh till you cry on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:34pm

Title: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:34pm
Musk has staked out some land on Mars.

Vacant possession.

No neighbors.

No genocide is necessary.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 15th, 2024 at 9:59am
It is not news. Its history. Jews have always had a fascination with Mars.

"The prayer El Adon is a Kabbalistic discussion of the planets.” Mars has even been imagined as the location of an eventual Jewish homeland. In his 2013 novel “Martian Sands,” Israeli-born Lavie Tidhar’s portrays a kibbutz-like settlement on the red planet called “New Israel.”

https://forward.com/culture/464555/the-secret-jewish-history-of-mars/


Quote:
... While some Jewish traditionalists oppose searching for life beyond planet Earth and cannot countenance the thought of Jews settling elsewhere, Jewish curiosity about the heavens above is nothing new; it’s in the Bible. Rabbis and sages have looked skywards for thousands of years, some combining their deep understanding of Torah with the latest achievements in science and astronomy. Jews have been pondering what life — specifically Jewish life — might be like on Mars for centuries, and especially for the past half-century, since humans have escaped the Earth’s atmosphere, walked on the Moon, and lived in space stations.

Isaac Israeli ben Joseph wrote a landmark work of astronomy in Toledo (Spain, not Ohio) in the 14th century, which remained a relevant object of study for centuries, even before it was first published commercially in Berlin in 1777 and again in 1848. As U.K. Rabbi Zvi Solomons wrote, “Even star signs are mentioned in the Talmud. Our rabbis of old were astronomers and understood the heavens. That is how they set our calendar so accurately. The prayer El Adon is a Kabbalistic discussion of the planets.” Mars has even been imagined as the location of an eventual Jewish homeland. In his 2013 novel “Martian Sands,” Israeli-born Lavie Tidhar’s portrays a kibbutz-like settlement on the red planet called “New Israel.”

Since the destruction of the Temple, Judaism has been to a large extent a time-bound religion (as opposed to space-bound). But what happens to Jewish practice when a Jew finds himself in a space where time is measured differently? What would this mean for the Jewish calendar on a planet where one year is the equivalent of two Earth years? When would festivals and holidays be observed? How would one time the beginning and end of the Sabbath? And how to reconcile living on another planet with Psalm 115:16: “The Heavens belong to G-d, but the earth G-d has given to humankind”?

In 2015-16, Dr. Sheyna Gifford faced some of these issues directly when she took part in a year-long simulated space mission to Mars for NASA. Gifford, who served as medical doctor, neuroscientist, and habitat journalist for the mission — which saw six participants living in a sealed geodesic dome 36 feet in diameter — wrote a blogpost called “A Shtick by Any Other Name: Being Jewish on Mars,” in which she asked rhetorically, “When you’re in a space station that circles the Earth every 90 minutes, experiencing multiple sundowns daily, when, precisely, do you get your Jew on?”

As you might imagine, there are already plenty of people on the case. Rabbi Ben-Tzion Spitz, former chief rabbi of Uruguay, who is also an engineer, has developed a whole system for how Jews should measure time while living on Mars. There is even a book called “Do They Keep Kosher on Mars? And Other Pressing Questions of Jewish Life,” written by “Sol the Answer Man” in 1990.

A common joke refers to a scene wherein the first Earthlings to land on Mars are welcomed by a delegation from the local Chabad House. But even this is no joke. A Chabad-associated group called Tech Tribe has already put together “Jews in Space: A Multimedia Exploration of Jewish Life on Mars.”

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Gnads on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:17am
You terrorist supporting, Jew hating POS

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:06am

Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:17am:
You terrorist supporting, Jew hating POS


That's the nicest thing Gnads has ever published about LTYC.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:31am
Yes - once they re-integrate Gaza and Syria and Lebanon and put it under martial law - Israel's homeland will be more secure.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:34am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:31am:
Yes - once they re-integrate Gaza and Syria and Lebanon and put it under martial law - Israel's homeland will be more secure.


Like they have integrated Grappler's head into Zionism?

Grappler frog marches around his shack when commanded.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by tallowood on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:44am
Jews have homeland in Israel, Judea and Samaria already.
Mars is suitable for Arabs who don't want to return to Arabia.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:48am

tallowood wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:44am:
Jews have homeland in Israel, Judea and Samaria already.
Mars is suitable for Arabs who don't want to return to Arabia.


The owners of that homeland are taking it back.

Israeli Jews are too frightened to stop the murders and genocide because they don't want to face an angry world afterward.

The ICJ is due to make a decision on the allegations of genocide by Israel in October, possibly around 28 October.

Musk should prepare his rockets now.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by tallowood on Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:19pm
The owners of Israel, Judea and Samaria took it back already.
Arabs are owners of Arabia.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by MeisterEckhart on Oct 15th, 2024 at 1:48pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:34pm:
Musk has staked out some land on Mars.

Vacant possession.

No neighbors.

No genocide is necessary.

That is, of course, until the Jews turn the Martian deserts into fertile plains...

Then godists will issue a godist fatwa declaring Martian lands godist territory.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Bobby. on Oct 15th, 2024 at 1:51pm
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-821752


Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel
stretched until the Euphrates River.


Israeli Rabbi calls for Israel to conquer Lebanon and settle it
Ginsburgh is associated with the Chabad movement and is currently
head of Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the West Bank, he is a well regarded kabbahlist.

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 20:14
Updated: SEPTEMBER 27, 2024 18:23

A gift given to the Jewish people

He highlighted that Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel stretched until the Euphrates River.
"In our generation, God gives us the ability to receive the gift [of Israel] again, to conquer and settle the land."

"Today it is clear that the time has come to conquer the Lebanese territories as well,
only in this way can the threat be removed and true peace brought to the entire country.
After the conquest and expulsion of the hostile population,
a Jewish settlement must be established, thus completing the victory."

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by tickleandrose on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-821752


Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel
stretched until the Euphrates River.


Israeli Rabbi calls for Israel to conquer Lebanon and settle it
Ginsburgh is associated with the Chabad movement and is currently
head of Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the West Bank, he is a well regarded kabbahlist.

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 20:14
Updated: SEPTEMBER 27, 2024 18:23

A gift given to the Jewish people

He highlighted that Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel stretched until the Euphrates River.
"In our generation, God gives us the ability to receive the gift [of Israel] again, to conquer and settle the land."

"Today it is clear that the time has come to conquer the Lebanese territories as well,
only in this way can the threat be removed and true peace brought to the entire country.
After the conquest and expulsion of the hostile population,
a Jewish settlement must be established, thus completing the victory."


It will get tricky if Israel decides to do this.   Lebanon is 1/3 Christian and 2/3 Islam.   At the moment, the mainly Christian Lebanese government forces is sitting back, and see what unfolds.   But Israel are now starting to bomb mainly Christian areas as well.   If Israel decide to take Lebanon, it will then be resisted by both the Lebanese government forces and Hezbollah.   

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Bobby. on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:03pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
It will get tricky if Israel decides to do this.   Lebanon is 1/3 Christian and 2/3 Islam.   At the moment, the mainly Christian Lebanese government forces is sitting back, and see what unfolds.   But Israel are now starting to bomb mainly Christian areas as well.   If Israel decide to take Lebanon, it will then be resisted by both the Lebanese government forces and Hezbollah.   



I know it's tricky but it's the plan.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by tickleandrose on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
It will get tricky if Israel decides to do this.   Lebanon is 1/3 Christian and 2/3 Islam.   At the moment, the mainly Christian Lebanese government forces is sitting back, and see what unfolds.   But Israel are now starting to bomb mainly Christian areas as well.   If Israel decide to take Lebanon, it will then be resisted by both the Lebanese government forces and Hezbollah.   



I know it's tricky but it's the plan.


Yeah, I think with US support, it may well be possible.   That will however come at a heavy cost to Israel.  It would be a worse version of Afghanistan. 

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Karnal on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:27pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:34pm:
Musk has staked out some land on Mars.

Vacant possession.

No neighbors.

No genocide is necessary.

That is, of course, until the Jews turn the Martian deserts into fertile plains...


Oh, ja.
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Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Karnal on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:30pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
It will get tricky if Israel decides to do this.   Lebanon is 1/3 Christian and 2/3 Islam.   At the moment, the mainly Christian Lebanese government forces is sitting back, and see what unfolds.   But Israel are now starting to bomb mainly Christian areas as well.   If Israel decide to take Lebanon, it will then be resisted by both the Lebanese government forces and Hezbollah.   



I know it's tricky but it's the plan.


Yeah, I think with US support, it may well be possible. 


Just so. The big fella's promised to colonize Mars by 2028, so it may not happen overnight but it will happen, no?

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by aquascoot on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:55pm
why would the jews leave  ;D ;D
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Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 15th, 2024 at 7:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:55pm:
why would the jews leave  ;D ;D


Their neighbors have filed allegations of mass murder, genocide, and crimes of occupation.

Israeli Jews and neighbors don't mix.

Aquascoot could start the first Martian horse farm producing the product Israeli Jews value most, horseshit.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Bobby. on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:51pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
It will get tricky if Israel decides to do this.   Lebanon is 1/3 Christian and 2/3 Islam.   At the moment, the mainly Christian Lebanese government forces is sitting back, and see what unfolds.   But Israel are now starting to bomb mainly Christian areas as well.   If Israel decide to take Lebanon, it will then be resisted by both the Lebanese government forces and Hezbollah.   



I know it's tricky but it's the plan.


Yeah, I think with US support, it may well be possible. 


Just so. The big fella's promised to colonize Mars by 2028, so it may not happen overnight but it will happen, no?



I will be 100 years before more than 50 people are living on Mars -
it's a very hostile environment - you can't even drink the water.

https://www.nasa.gov/general/detoxifying-mars/

Fortunately, Mars has plenty of water to sustain our aspirations in the form of subsurface ice.
Unfortunately, it is not clean water –
it is contaminated by toxic perchlorates.
Perchlorate and chlorate are potent oxidizers that cause equipment corrosion and
are hazardous to human health even at low concentrations.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:51pm
Maybe Mars is too pristine and good for Israeli Jews.

Perhaps they want a planet with lots of ruins like they are creating in West Asia.

Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by Laugh till you cry on Oct 16th, 2024 at 9:30am
Will evolution and Mars cause Martian Jews to evolve in a different direction? Will Martian Jews eventually become a threat?


Quote:
"The Martians" (Hungarian: "A marslakók") were a group of prominent scientists (mostly, but not exclusively, physicists and mathematicians) of Hungarian Jewish descent who emigrated from Europe to the United States in the early half of the 20th century.



Title: Re: There's some good news for Jews. A new homeland
Post by wombatwoody on Oct 16th, 2024 at 8:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:00pm:
It will get tricky if Israel decides to do this.   Lebanon is 1/3 Christian and 2/3 Islam.   At the moment, the mainly Christian Lebanese government forces is sitting back, and see what unfolds.   But Israel are now starting to bomb mainly Christian areas as well.   If Israel decide to take Lebanon, it will then be resisted by both the Lebanese government forces and Hezbollah.   



I know it's tricky but it's the plan.


The Yinon Plan is an article published in February 1982 in the Hebrew journal Kivunim ("Directions") entitled 'A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s', and was translated into English by Prof. Israel Shahak with the title, 'The Zionist Plan for the Middle East'.

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