Is King Charles responsible for the wrongs of the past? Indigenous folk are having their say 8-)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Is King Charles responsible for the wrongs of the past? Indigenous folk are having their say 8-)

NO!

Charles III is the Australian head of state.

He takes on all the responsibilities for the actions/inactions of past holders of the office in his role as head of state.

Personal (non)responsibility has nothing to do with it.

What would Blair Cottrell say?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9

QUOTE -

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.

Why?  What did he ever do to anyone?

He can offer sympathy ..... we all pay respect to all the wrongs on any side..... and truth-telling will support that or it is not truth-telling at all.

I think King Charles has enough on his agenda. Why should he worry about the feelings of a few racist indigenous people in Australia? King Charles has only been king for 2 years.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 10:06pm:

Why?  What did he ever do to anyone?

So you're not familiar with the governance structure under the Westminster system, then.

Headed by the sovereign, which is a singular and eternal role, (which is why the role and its responsibilities transfer to the heir-presumptive without process immediately upon the death of the former sovereign).

At the moment of accession, the new sovereign becomes two persons - the body natural and the body politic.

The body politic is the eternal sovereign - the singular head of state who is responsible for all past, present and future acts of the state.

As the body-politic, the sovereign - Charles III, in the body-natural of Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, is responsible for all committed acts of state.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:06pm: Why?  What did he ever do to anyone? So you're not familiar with the governance structure under the Westminster system, then. Headed by the sovereign, which is a singular and eternal role, (which is why the role and its responsibilities transfer to the heir-presumptive without process immediately upon the death of the former sovereign). At the moment of accession, the new sovereign becomes two persons - the body natural and the body politic. The body politic is the eternal sovereign - the singular head of state who is responsible for all past, present and future acts of the state. As the body-politic, the sovereign - Charles III, in the body-natural of Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, is responsible for all committed acts of state.

I know it's simplistic ..... but bollocks.

Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?

Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:57am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:06pm: Why?  What did he ever do to anyone? So you're not familiar with the governance structure under the Westminster system, then. Headed by the sovereign, which is a singular and eternal role, (which is why the role and its responsibilities transfer to the heir-presumptive without process immediately upon the death of the former sovereign). At the moment of accession, the new sovereign becomes two persons - the body natural and the body politic. The body politic is the eternal sovereign - the singular head of state who is responsible for all past, present and future acts of the state. As the body-politic, the sovereign - Charles III, in the body-natural of Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, is responsible for all committed acts of state. I know it's simplistic ..... but bollocks.

It is how the enduring role of the sovereign is understood, such that the sovereign is responsible for all acts of state. Any apology (such as the one Elizabeth II made to the Maori people of NZ) is made as the sovereign, not as Elizabeth Windsor.

https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/33050/royal-apology-to-tainui-1995#:~:text=During%20a%201995%20visit%20to,financial%20compensation%20totalling%20%24170%20million.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described. What are you imagining he should apologise for?

The role of the sovereign endures through history and is actioned by the current reigning monarch who is responsible for all acts of state made in the name of any former monarch.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described. What are you imagining he should apologise for?

For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?

Setanta wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm: Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described. What are you imagining he should apologise for? For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?

Buggar - I forgot that!

What do I do being up to seven generations here?  Got to the 1850's then found one before that.... I'm stuffed - got nowhere in the world (sobs) .... can't go 'back home' to Scotland, Ireland, Denmark and Germany etc... considered an Outlander here...

I'm going to have to win that Inalienable Freehold Land Claim for my ancestral stamping grounds..... or at least cop reparations and rent ... good for goose is good for gander, eh?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm: Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described. What are you imagining he should apologise for? The role of the sovereign endures through history and is actioned by the current reigning monarch who is responsible for all acts of state made in the name of any former monarch.

Only if so advised by the responsible minister.



The Crown is hereditary, subject, however, to special limitations by Parliament; and the King or Queen has always enjoyed, by prescription, custom and law, the chief place in Parliament and the sole executive power. The right of succession and the prerogatives of the Crown itself are, however, subject to limitations and change by legislative process with the consent and authority of the Sovereign; and in the exercise of the prerogatives and powers of the Crown the Sovereign now, by constitutional convention, depends on the advice of Ministers of the Crown, who continue to serve in that capacity only so long as they retain the confidence of Parliament.

1.15As members of the Executive Council, Ministers of the Crown are the Governor-General's responsible advisers. In exercising the powers and functions of office, the Governor-General, like the Sovereign, acts on the advice of those Ministers.

No answer to the question of what he should 'apologise' for?  I'm sure he feels sorry about the hardships of the past... he's a sensitive person - but personally say Sorry?  For what?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 4:33am:

No answer to the question of what he should 'apologise' for?  I'm sure he feels sorry about the hardships of the past... he's a sensitive person - but personally say Sorry?  For what?

Charles, the man, can reject any suggestion that he must personally apologise for anything he was not responsible for.

Charles III, as sovereign, may be advised (in Australia by the G-G on advice from the Australian PM) to apologise for wrongdoing by the state (or the Crown) - advice he is duty-bound to accept.

However, he can delegate that responsibility to the G-G, who represents the sovereign (the Crown) in all matters of state.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Is King Charles responsible for the wrongs of the past? Indigenous folk are having their say 8-)

should he walk across the bridge holding a sorry sign and then retire to brunch with the chattering classes like bwians colleagues did  :D :D :D

No.

The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation.

Yeah - that story from that woman about her grandmother being shot in the hip and the bullet traveling all down her leg and lodging in her foot for life during The Great Massacre of 1873 that took place in 1931 instead has to be perpetuated as truth!!

The weeping woman on television crying about her great-grandmother being taken prisoner at the Appin Massacre (retaliatory campaign by law officers and posse) and put in the home at Parramatata etc - they all live more than 100 years you know... the Appin Campaign was in 1816 .... has to have her story sanctified.... bloody hard to have to deal with that all those 200 + years ago from your comfortable living room after a good feed, then sit down to watch television and have a good cry over people you never met.  We could be speaking of the Arabs and other primitives.

1816 - my German Jewish forebears ... wonder how many were victims and how in Germany.... duzzen madda - Hitler caught up with them all from Hamburg in the 1940's anyway... we just don't cry about it all the time but get on with things.

I had a hypochondriac grandma - she was anaemic at one time in her life - her story was that she had only ONE tiny drop of blood in her veins that traveled around and around and that was all that kept her alive!! But she still had four kids!!  At least she didn't have the burden of a bullet in the foot for life... yeah... but  if it weren't for my grand father's DNA I would have said, given their differences, those four kids were adopted..... maybe he bred 'em and brought 'em home while he was away train driving all over the state...

And the more often people sit around the campfire pondering on these things, the taller the stories get .... and one day are accepted as truth.... true stories!  That, of course, is why all the ancient fables etc are called ....... (distant approaching thunder) ....... MYTHOLOGY!   :o

BIIIIG Tatanka!!

Now - reconciliation..... hmmm... first drain the rot-filled billabongs...

You all know what those are...... they generally come under corruption, violence, crime, home/family abuse and violence, neglect, refusal of education.... still waging war between small groups, like at Wadeye... you know the drift.

It's difficult to keep your mind on great and sweeping improvements when you are up to your earballs in that kind of cess pit....

Drain The Billabongs!  Then you can talk all the empty words you like......

Any more on the latest corruption scandals?  All that funding gone with the wind again ....   8-)

Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'? Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....

So, after unleashing not one but two uncontrolled, emotion-driven tirades full of petty insults and name-calling, you now have the audacity to expect me to pretend none of it happened and engage in a 'good faith' discussion about reconciliation? Do you even listen to the nonsense that comes out of your mouth? What, exactly, am I supposed to do with that incoherent mess?

Setanta wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm: Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described. What are you imagining he should apologise for? For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?

That would be a typical leftoids answer.

In that you should include every Colonial European country?

The Dutch, The Spaniards, the Portuguese etc.

They helped colonise the whole globe ... and bring civilisation and prosperity with it.

So as I understand the lefty simplistic view the rest of the globe outside those empirical countries let alone all the conquering dynsaties before them ... should have left all the primitives be primitives?

They're phukin lunatics.

(Edited as I misread the author.) ;)

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 4:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'? Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it.... So, after unleashing not one but two uncontrolled, emotion-driven tirades full of petty insults and name-calling, you now have the audacity to expect me to pretend none of it happened and engage in a 'good faith' discussion about reconciliation? Do you even listen to the nonsense that comes out of your mouth? What, exactly, am I supposed to do with that incoherent mess?

Tirades?  Oooh - you ARE fantasising and exaggerating and losing control....  I mention your bullshit, tell you cheap and empty won't cut it - you scream 'tirade' and wail uncontrollably.

Is it ever at all possible for you to just answer a question instead of evading?

Should I remove the unnecessary detritus from your comment above and  just force you to the question?  Why don't you just admit you have no answers and are just trying to cover your ignorance with bluster?

All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:-


SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 4:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'? Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....

Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:- SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'? Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it.... Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'.

Alright, I’ll give you one last chance at a genuine discussion, but let’s set some ground rules first.

Do you actually want the real answer, the well-considered, informed one that might take a bit longer to unpack? Or are you just fishing for a quick one-liner you can conveniently ignore or twist, like you've been doing lately?

And since this is meant to be a discussion, what are you bringing to the table? Will you finally explain why you’re so against moving forward on reconciliation? Or why you seem hell-bent on opposing every single policy or announcement that could benefit Indigenous people?

Is that too much to ask for in return?

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 7:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm: All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:- SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'? Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it.... Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'.

Just took away all your personal slagging and animosity - left nothing in your post... sorry 'bout that.

Tell us all what your 'definition' of reconciliation is, what you consider that reconciliation entails, and how YOU would go about it.

I'm just trying to get a reasonable answer to reasonable questions about the push for Apartheid here... hold a reasonable discussion.. set some decent ground rules by leading by behaviour/actions here..... I doubt I could be fairer than that....   8-)

The OP's question has an obvious answer.

Charles Mountbatten-Windsor cannot apologise personally as he did not commit the crimes and wrongs.

Charles III must not apologise unilaterally, as he can only act, as head of state, on the advice of the PM via the G-G.

The question is:

Should the Australian people apologise for past wrongdoing via our representatives in Parliament and expressed by our head of state - be that Charles III or his representative the Governor-General, alongside or not our Prime Minister?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

The OP's question has an obvious answer. Charles Mountbatten-Windsor cannot apologise personally as he did not commit the crimes and wrongs. Charles III must not apologise unilaterally, as he can only act, as head of state, on the advice of the PM via the G-G. The question is: Should the Australian people apologise for past wrongdoing via our representatives in Parliament and expressed by our head of state - be that Charles III or his representative the Governor-General, alongside or not our Prime Minister?

Again NO - let those responsible apologise - I can only offer sympathy over the past.  Now be realistic and move to the present and consider the future.

Sorry for what?

Brining civilisation to primitives
Helping to increase their life spans.
Getting them KFC and centalink.

Seems to me the aboriginals need to say thanks.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/pm_dFEK0Us0AAAAd/monty-python.gif

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 11:31am:

No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation.

What truth has not been told yet?

What will reconciliation actually look like? What does it mean in practice?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 7:51am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm: All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:- SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm: Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'? Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it.... Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconciliation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'. Just took away all your personal slagging and animosity - left nothing in your post... sorry 'bout that. Tell us all what your 'definition' of reconciliation is, what you consider that reconciliation entails, and how YOU would go about it. I'm just trying to get a reasonable answer to reasonable questions about the push for Apartheid here... hold a reasonable discussion.. set some decent ground rules by leading by behaviour/actions here..... I doubt I could be fairer than that....   8-)

Why is it that I'm always answering your questions and you're always weaselling out of mine, even when they're so benign as to simply be asking you for your opinion on the very news article you posted?

Fool me once.

And we've been over reconciliation before, but you just ignored it.  So now I have to repeat myself?

How many times am I going to have to repeat?

And you won't come to the table and answer my questions, and even edit them out of your quotes entirely?

Discussion requires give and take, not demanding things you're only going to ignore, while only looking for a gotcha that will never come.

I don't think it's unreasonable to post these questions to you,


SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 7:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm: Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'. Alright, I’ll give you one last chance at a genuine discussion, but let’s set some ground rules first. Do you actually want the real answer, the well-considered, informed one that might take a bit longer to unpack? Or are you just fishing for a quick one-liner you can conveniently ignore or twist, like you've been doing lately? And since this is meant to be a discussion, what are you bringing to the table? Will you finally explain why you’re so against moving forward on reconciliation? Or why you seem hell-bent on opposing every single policy or announcement that could benefit Indigenous people? Is that too much to ask for in return?

What are you so afraid of?

You haven't yet answered the question I asked...

What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'?

Once we get that squeezed out of you, we can go on to the rest of the quest.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 11:30am:

You haven't yet answered the question I asked... What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Once we get that squeezed out of you, we can go on to the rest of the quest.

Firstly, we'll see if you can be trusted, I highly doubt it but here we go anyway.  I'm borrowing greatly from my last post where I went through my thoughts on the topic in detail, only to have it ignored or cherry-picked at the time.

I'm also making the assumption that you are in fact looking for more than a one liner, and a genuine response to the question.  Again, I remain sceptical, but we'll see what happens.

I am no expert in the area, but I do know our history, what was done to the Indigenous population during colonisation and since, and while I've only lived in the NT for about 8 months when I was driving tour buses as a way to gain experience to move into the Mining Industry, a past life then never panned out, it was an eye opening experience.

I am not a scholar on this subject and have limited personal experience.  This is why I have let my opinions be guided by those who are, and have more experience than me.

They have suggested that the goal of reconciliation is to address the historical injustices, ongoing disparities, and cultural insensitivities faced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples since colonisation, this statement is one that resonates with me.

The best way to achieve this they suggest, is through the following framework, especially since The Voice failed:

Historical Acknowledgment and Truth-Telling

Official Apologies and Acknowledgments: Sincere, nationwide acknowledgments of past wrongdoings, including the Stolen Generations, forced labor, land theft, and cultural suppression.

Truth and Reconciliation Commission: Establishing a commission to document and publicly disclose the full extent of historical injustices, providing a platform for survivors to share their stories.

Cultural Recognition and Preservation

Constitutional Recognition: Incorporating Indigenous Australians into the Constitution, acknowledging their prior ownership and ongoing connection to the land.

Preservation of Languages and Cultures: Government-supported programs to revive, teach, and promote Indigenous languages and cultural practices.

Indigenous Representation in Media and Education: Inclusive representation in media, and integration of Indigenous histories and perspectives into the national curriculum.

Land Rights and Self-Determination

Expanded Land Rights and Native Title: Strengthening and expanding land rights to ensure greater control over traditional lands, including the right to manage and protect sacred sites.

Self-Governance and Decision-Making Power: Empowering Indigenous communities with autonomy to make decisions over their lands, services, and futures.

Health and Wellbeing Parity

Targeted Healthcare Initiatives: Programs addressing the significant gaps in health outcomes, including higher rates of chronic disease, lower life expectancy, and poor mental health.

Access to Clean Water, Housing, and Sanitation: Ensuring basic human rights are met in all Indigenous communities.

Economic Empowerment

Employment and Education Initiatives: Tailored programs to increase Indigenous employment rates, educational attainment, and economic participation.

Support for Indigenous-Owned Businesses: Financial and regulatory support to foster entrepreneurship and economic self-sufficiency.

Justice and Incarceration Reform

Reducing Incarceration Rates: Implementing alternative justice models and rehabilitation programs to address the disproportionate representation of Indigenous Australians in the prison system.

Royal Commission into Indigenous Incarceration: Investigating the root causes and recommending systemic reforms.

Community-Led Reconciliation Initiatives

Grassroots Reconciliation Programs: Funding and supporting community-driven projects that foster cross-cultural understanding and reconciliation.

Indigenous-Led Solutions: Prioritising Indigenous voices and leadership in the development and implementation of reconciliation strategies.

On paper, this all sounds great, but it will not work without the leaders in their communities driving the charge and, through more options for self-determination, also expecting more of their community members.

Without this, none of the above will make a difference.  They need to be included in the process and want to put in the work to achieve the outcome.

There will also, sadly, need to be extra bureaucratic measures in place to monitor, report and administer the vast amounts of funds that will need to be injected into making this a reality, costing even more than will directly benefit the people, but every dollar will need to be accounted for, and that isn't free.

It is a shame that the Voice was rejected by the people, but Labor and those who support the Uluru Statement, especially those like Labor who took it to the last election, should continue working towards that end.

Grap, if you'd be so kind as to answer my questions in return, it would be appreciated.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 12:18pm:

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1729150885/33#33 date=1729474254]You haven't yet answered the question I asked... What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Once we get that squeezed out of you, we can go on to the rest of the quest.

I am no expert in the area, but I do know our history, what was done to the Indigenous population during colonisation and since,
You know parts of it, like everyone else. In this day and age you only hear one side of it.

I am not a scholar on this subject and have limited personal experience.  This is why I have let my opinions be guided by those who are, and have more experience than me.  Who again, in many cases, are victims of academic rigor mortis bias, have vested interests and biased views of history, non-inclusive in any way but one-sided.

They have suggested that the goal of reconciliation is to address the historical injustices, ongoing disparities, and cultural insensitivities faced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples since colonisation, this statement is one that resonates with me.
Injustices etc all work many ways - not one.  The root causes of disparities are numerous - and primarily the result of lifestyle - heal thyself!  'cultural insensitivies works all ways and must take second place to realities.

The best way to achieve this they suggest, is through the following framework, especially since The Voice failed:

Historical Acknowledgment and Truth-Telling

Official Apologies and Acknowledgments: Sincere, nationwide acknowledgments of past wrongdoings, including the Stolen Generations, forced labor, land theft, and cultural suppression.  All been done time and again.

Truth and Reconciliation Commission: Establishing a commission to document and publicly disclose the full extent of historical injustices, providing a platform for survivors to share their stories.  A one-sided 'commission is of no value.

Cultural Recognition and Preservation

Constitutional Recognition: Incorporating Indigenous Australians into the Constitution, acknowledging their prior ownership and ongoing connection to the land.  They are already citizens, their prior different style of 'ownership' has been recognised and so has their 'ongoing connection with the land

Now do yourself a favour - post your concepts one at a time - once the page runs out I just stop bothering responding to your endless monologue.

You are fundamentally wrong about all of the things you've mentioned, in many, many ways.

In short - again - Aborigine - Heal Thyself!  Get out of the past, stop clinging to a lost delusion of an idyll in the warm sun, and get on with life.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:34pm:

Now do yourself a favour - post your concepts one at a time - once the page runs out I just stop bothering responding to your endless monologue. You are fundamentally wrong about all of the things you've mentioned, in many, many ways. In short - again - Aborigine - Heal Thyself!  Get out of the past, stop clinging to a lost delusion of an idyll in the warm sun, and get on with life.

Now now, I answered your question, please answer mine,


SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 7:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm: Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'. Alright, I’ll give you one last chance at a genuine discussion, but let’s set some ground rules first. Do you actually want the real answer, the well-considered, informed one that might take a bit longer to unpack? Or are you just fishing for a quick one-liner you can conveniently ignore or twist, like you've been doing lately? And since this is meant to be a discussion, what are you bringing to the table? Will you finally explain why you’re so against moving forward on reconciliation? Or why you seem hell-bent on opposing every single policy or announcement that could benefit Indigenous people? Is that too much to ask for in return?

Thanks.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:34pm:

Now do yourself a favour - post your concepts one at a time - once the page runs out I just stop bothering responding to your endless monologue. You are fundamentally wrong about all of the things you've mentioned, in many, many ways. In short - again - Aborigine - Heal Thyself!  Get out of the past, stop clinging to a lost delusion of an idyll in the warm sun, and get on with life.

Instead of piling on more demands, if you think I’m wrong, have the courage to articulate why, and let’s debate like adults.

If you’ve got better alternatives, don’t just hint at them, lay them out.

Or is this whole facade just your way of sulking because you didn’t get what you wanted from my post? If you’re done playing this tiresome game, just say so.

But if you’ve got any intellectual stamina left, I’m more than willing to continue.

I’m actually interested in your insights on the issue. So far, all you’ve offered are thinly veiled, bigoted dismissals. Surely, you can do better than that, or is this the full extent of your reasoning?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 11:30am:

What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'?

Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation?

No.  It is for an independent, balanced, and neutral body to determine the facts as far as possible ... simple grievance holding is not the answer.

Look at the narrative of 'massacres' 'driven off the land' etc.... in the very vast majority of cases, any 'massacres' were in response to murders and stock killings and such ... if they were in fact 'driven off the land' why are they still there?  Answer:- those who lived in peace remained... those who chose not to received the same in return.

How come so much of some of the primest land in Sydney - South Maroubra and down to the foreshores - is Aboriginal land from which many great people - the Ella brothers etc - have come?  Were they 'driven off'?

Nah - nah - they was all massacred and then driven off ..... true story....

There's a point at which fireside embellishments have to be called out... the 'Appin Massacre' 1816 - killed 14 men in arms ... those 14 men had murdered 16 Whites including unarmed men and unarmed and defenceless women and children.... their women and children were not killed.... yet their descendants still cry about their ancestor being taken under protection in a fight to the death, and removed to a place of safety - from which they remained in the gene pool to even produce their descendants who cry about it today, over two hundred falcon years later!

If I went back to 1816 I'd have grievance against the Danish, Scottish, Irish, English and German governments.... FFS.

Got that?  What 'reconciliation' is owed to that crying descendant who lives comfortably in a house and is interviewed over a cup of tea with biscuits in a peaceful home environment?  What 'reconciliation' is owed to the likes of Ray Martin and Stan Grant (both of whom I never noticed to be Aboriginal until they 'came out' - simply didn't matter to me - yet some of you scum yell 'racist' at me while drowning in your Deep Real Racism against Australia that nurtures you) and any number of others who have done very well, thank you, out of our society and culture?

Why would reconciliation be owed to some asshole who steals his/her tribe's royalty money (etc) and uses it for self, mates and family?  Best you turn him/her over to village justice!!

You lost souls...........   :D   :o                               8-)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation?

Yes, but there are no gotchas in that.

That's why I support the upper-level notion of,


SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 12:18pm:

the goal of reconciliation is to address the historical injustices, ongoing disparities, and cultural insensitivities faced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples since colonisation

While it is not my place to make the final judgment, I am content to defer to those with greater expertise, whether in design, implementation, or the respected Leaders, Elders, and Members of the Indigenous communities.

As for Grap's question, I believe I have responded to the best of my ability, expressing my views and my interpretation of his so-called "YOUR" demands.

It will be intriguing to see whether he chooses to engage in kind, or if his previous patterns of behaviour will merely continue to define him.

No abuse intended.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 3:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 2:36pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation? No.

Why do you think that?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 3:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 2:36pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation? No.

If you believe I have committed a wrong against you, are you saying it is for me to determine (a) that I have done so and (b) the terms of reconciliation?

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm: Now do yourself a favour - post your concepts one at a time - once the page runs out I just stop bothering responding to your endless monologue. You are fundamentally wrong about all of the things you've mentioned, in many, many ways. In short - again - Aborigine - Heal Thyself!  Get out of the past, stop clinging to a lost delusion of an idyll in the warm sun, and get on with life. Instead of piling on more demands, if you think I’m wrong, have the courage to articulate why, and let’s debate like adults. If you’ve got better alternatives, don’t just hint at them, lay them out. I’m actually interested in your insights on the issue.

.. except you never even respond to a single one of those.....

Now then - how's your homework going?  You know - don't crowd your page with too many issues to answer at one time and then whine that others won't respond to you.

Start again - which one of your copy and pastes do you wish to be responded to first?  One at a time..

Footnote - in the Indian heron user's community - they call it poppy and caste...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 3:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 3:03pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 2:36pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation? No. If you believe I have committed a wrong against you, are you saying it is for me to determine (a) that I have done so and (b) the terms of reconciliation?

Wrong if YOU believe I have committed a wrong against you - do you not have to prove that wrong first?

In the case of Abororigines (Stammer tribe) how is any wrong proven, and how is it in any way applicable to the person alive today who had nothing to do with it? 

Was the Appin Massacre - a prime example I used and use since I took the unheard-of liberty of not accepting it at face value but actually looking into it - an example of a 'wrong'?  Please - go ahead.... walk right in .....

What are you?  Some kind of desert Bedouin capable of sustaining the rage for thousands of years over Ach-med the Imperial Jewel Supplier taking some dates off your tree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODsDNDXFjvA

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 3:25pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:47pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm: Now do yourself a favour - post your concepts one at a time - once the page runs out I just stop bothering responding to your endless monologue. You are fundamentally wrong about all of the things you've mentioned, in many, many ways. In short - again - Aborigine - Heal Thyself!  Get out of the past, stop clinging to a lost delusion of an idyll in the warm sun, and get on with life. Instead of piling on more demands, if you think I’m wrong, have the courage to articulate why, and let’s debate like adults. If you’ve got better alternatives, don’t just hint at them, lay them out. I’m actually interested in your insights on the issue. .. except you never even respond to a single one of those.....

I did, multiple times, even on this very page.  Why are you so scared of reality?

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Now then - how's your homework going?  You know - don't crowd your page with too many issues to answer at one time and then whine that others won't respond to you. Start again - which one of your copy and pastes do you wish to be responded to first?  One at a time.. Footnote - in the Indian heron user's community - they call it poppy and caste...

I’ve answered your questions repeatedly, directly and without any of the deflections you seem so fond of. Meanwhile, you’ve consistently sidestepped and distracted, playing games instead of engaging in a real debate.

In the course of this, I asked some questions of my own, as any reasonable discussion demands. But predictably, you ignored them.

From the very start, I proposed setting some basic ground rules, but you outright refused, insisting I answer your questions while offering nothing in return. And like a fool, I went along, hoping against hope that you’d rise to the challenge and prove your whining about "abusive" accusations of bad faith wrong.

But, of course, you didn’t. You can’t. And you won’t. Because in truth, you are incapable of engaging in good faith at all.

You couldn't manage it even once, could you? It's become abundantly clear that engaging in any semblance of a good-faith discussion with you is utterly futile.

I've wasted far too much time maintaining a respectful tone, hoping, against all odds, that you'd rise to the occasion. But no, predictably, you cling to your one-sided demands, never once offering the reciprocity that is the bare minimum expectation in any civilised exchange.

Frankly, I don't know why I ever thought you were capable of more. You're nothing but a perpetually aggrieved, fragile excuse for a human, cowering from realities you lack the spine to confront.

What part of 'one issue at a time' is so hard to follow?

I responded as far as Page's End - then stopped.. pointed out to you the fallacy of trying to impose too much in one package - and you failed to respond other than by blank refusal to co-operate.

Now 'reconciliation' - has been shot to pieces as you choose to see it... you still haven't defined it for us... or defined what you see as being it, anyway.

Once we have a firm definition, we can move on to specific Aboriginal Complaints (Endless Mk VII) ....

I think we can bypass 'massacres' .... they've been done to death..... and mostly are not as they superficially appear other than in the (mis)use of words..... just keep repeating after me .... Appin .... Appin .... Appin ....

Driven off the land - you'll have to do a survey of existing Aborigines and which group they come from - for example to ascertain how the entire Sydney Basin is denuded of them down to around (gasps) ONLY 90,000 or so... not counting those with seriously generations-old mixed blood of some kind or degree ... but hey - let's not forget that desert Bedouin and the ancient feuds..... me dates.... me dates ......

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 3:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 3:22pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 3:03pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 2:36pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation? No. If you believe I have committed a wrong against you, are you saying it is for me to determine (a) that I have done so and (b) the terms of reconciliation? Wrong if YOU believe I have committed a wrong against you - do you not have to prove that wrong first?

Of course.

And it would also be for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 4:49pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 3:32pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 3:22pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 3:03pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 2:36pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:30am: What is YOUR definition of 'reconcilation'? Isn't it for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation? No. If you believe I have committed a wrong against you, are you saying it is for me to determine (a) that I have done so and (b) the terms of reconciliation? Wrong if YOU believe I have committed a wrong against you - do you not have to prove that wrong first? Of course. And it would also be for the aggrieved to determine the definition of, and what constitutes reconciliation.

No - under our system we have adjudicatores  who do that for us..... paternalistic, innit?  We prefer lynching....

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Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe intended to hand King Charles “a notice of complicity in the Genocide of the First Peoples of this country”, using her first public statement since her interjection in the King’s speech to brand the Commonwealth a “colonial government”.

Senator Thorpe alleges her letter matched the document submitted by Indigenous activist Uncle Robbie Thorpe to the International Criminal Court which called for King Charles to “be charged and prosecuted for genocide”.

“The visit by the so-called King should be an occasion of truth-telling about the true history of this country,” the statement reads. “The colonial state has been built on the continuing genocide on First Peoples.”

“Today I was silenced and removed from the parliamentary reception when pointing out that the Crown stole from First Peoples.

“The truth is, this colony is built on stolen land, stolen wealth and stolen lives.

“The British Crown committed heinous crimes against the First Peoples of this country. These crimes include war crimes, crimes against humanity and failure to prevent genocide. There has been no justice for these crimes. The Crown must be held accountable.

“Today, the AFP threatened to arrest me for wearing a t-shirt that said ‘Stolen Land, Stolen Lives, Stolen Wealth’. I was at a rally to call out the crimes committed by the Crown. This is a clear attack on free speech and expression, at the war memorial of all places.

“Sovereign Elder Uncle Coco was arrested by AFP today for peacefully standing up against the Genocide on his people and all First Peoples of this continent.

“This colonial government will punish our Elders for protesting against a Genocide but refuse to hold the perpetrators to account.

“Today we call for justice, an end to this ongoing genocide, for Treaty and a republic. We want to be able to live in peace and finally come together as a nation.”

"The truth is, this colony is built on stolen land, stolen wealth and stolen lives."

And mightily have they all prospered from it.... they apparently didn't own land just wandered over it and fought over bits of it for temporary foraging grounds - they had no concept of wealth and no idea of any value of resources and farming etc - and when they stole settler lives they copped retaliation....  simple really.

I'm still laughing at the carefully tailored possum cape..... she's never worn such a thing in her life.... she's a fraud through and through and is just playing to the lowest common denominators and the fringe dwellers - doing a Hitler and making 'looka me' gestures to con people into believing she holds the answers when all she is doing is deepening divisions.

A natural born con person - she carries on like a raving lunatic for the fringe dwellers, then when she's interviewed she plays all calm and collected and reasonable.

You cannot be serious... I see right through her.

At the very least that shows an instability that warrants her removal from office - at its worst she is a cunning sociopath, who, like Kamala over there - shifts characters and voices to suit the audience.

Drain The Billabongs!

Footnote:-  Tamworth Council this time is all men - you oughta see the comments.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

For what
Bringing education to them.
For bringing medical to them
For giving them housing, food, clothing For nothing.
For offering many things that they are too lazy to utilise.

Nope, nothing to say sorry for.
But lots to be thanked for.

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Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?

Yes if he steps on someone's foot, it would be bad form not to.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 11:31am:

No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation.

It's actually scheduled as our "Truth telling and reparations".

Reconciliation has long taken a back seat.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

The OP's question has an obvious answer. Charles Mountbatten-Windsor cannot apologise personally as he did not commit the crimes and wrongs. Charles III must not apologise unilaterally, as he can only act, as head of state, on the advice of the PM via the G-G. The question is: Should the Australian people apologise for past wrongdoing via our representatives in Parliament and expressed by our head of state - be that Charles III or his representative the Governor-General, alongside or not our Prime Minister?

Already done via Kevin Rudd as PM.

As a consequence the cheque book balance took a tumble as the reparations began and headed to $36 billion per year. 

With negligible improvement in DV, child sexual abuse, anti social behaviours and criminal activity.

tallowood wrote on Oct 20^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

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Yeah nah ... but I do love the Pythons.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:34pm: Now do yourself a favour - post your concepts one at a time - once the page runs out I just stop bothering responding to your endless monologue. You are fundamentally wrong about all of the things you've mentioned, in many, many ways. In short - again - Aborigine - Heal Thyself!  Get out of the past, stop clinging to a lost delusion of an idyll in the warm sun, and get on with life. Now now, I answered your question, please answer mine, SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 7:51am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm: Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'. Alright, I’ll give you one last chance at a genuine discussion, but let’s set some ground rules first. Do you actually want the real answer, the well-considered, informed one that might take a bit longer to unpack? Or are you just fishing for a quick one-liner you can conveniently ignore or twist, like you've been doing lately? And since this is meant to be a discussion, what are you bringing to the table? Will you finally explain why you’re so against moving forward on reconciliation? Or why you seem hell-bent on opposing every single policy or announcement that could benefit Indigenous people? Is that too much to ask for in return? Thanks.

You answered nothing ... just waffled superfluous leftoid guilt as if it is applicable in any way.

Frank wrote on Oct 21^st, 2024 at 6:14pm:

Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe intended to hand King Charles “a notice of complicity in the Genocide of the First Peoples of this country”, using her first public statement since her interjection in the King’s speech to brand the Commonwealth a “colonial government”. Senator Thorpe alleges her letter matched the document submitted by Indigenous activist Uncle Robbie Thorpe to the International Criminal Court which called for King Charles to “be charged and prosecuted for genocide”. “The visit by the so-called King should be an occasion of truth-telling about the true history of this country,” the statement reads. “The colonial state has been built on the continuing genocide on First Peoples.” “Today I was silenced and removed from the parliamentary reception when pointing out that the Crown stole from First Peoples. “The truth is, this colony is built on stolen land, stolen wealth and stolen lives. “The British Crown committed heinous crimes against the First Peoples of this country. These crimes include war crimes, crimes against humanity and failure to prevent genocide. There has been no justice for these crimes. The Crown must be held accountable. “Today, the AFP threatened to arrest me for wearing a t-shirt that said ‘Stolen Land, Stolen Lives, Stolen Wealth’. I was at a rally to call out the crimes committed by the Crown. This is a clear attack on free speech and expression, at the war memorial of all places. “Sovereign Elder Uncle Coco was arrested by AFP today for peacefully standing up against the Genocide on his people and all First Peoples of this continent. “This colonial government will punish our Elders for protesting against a Genocide but refuse to hold the perpetrators to account. “Today we call for justice, an end to this ongoing genocide, for Treaty and a republic. We want to be able to live in peace and finally come together as a nation.”

There was no stolen land as their culture had no concept of ownership.

There was definitely no stolen wealth because aside from ochre Aboriginals had no idea about mining natural resources.

The bastards couldn't lie straight in bed.

And Lydia Thorpe is the biggest of liars.

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

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Get your hand out from under your cassock you dirty old bishop bashing deviate.

BTW - where is Skanka yesterday and today?  RDO from the little party office or something?  Lockdown in the asylum/prison?  Nervous breakdown?  Just can't take it any more.... first Leftie, then mothra the invisible sock, now Skanka.... all the heroic ravers who offer nothing of substance just vanish as broken persons after trying their lot with reality as expressed here.

If their abuse and insult and attempted put-downs and all the other childish nonsense doesn't walk - they vanish in a huff...

What will I do for a laugh if they all vanish like that?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Imagine Skanka trying on the old line about 'that's why people treat you as they do' - when nobody bothered much with responding to hir raves and rants filled with vitriol and hatred instead of facts... and Skanka reckons they don;t all come from the same source - nah - just share the lingo, eh?

Oh, well - if Labor wants to waste good money on a pissy little office trying to desperately fend off their voice loss and their illegal putsch for Aboriginal Supremacy by carrying on like children, I suppose it's their money.

Amazing the proliferation of 'sacred sites' these days - they're everywhere.... literally everywhere... look at that access path 'too close to a sacred men's painting spot' ... not through or over it - just 'too close'.   :D  :D  :D    ..... Stop the Gold Mine!  Some sheila sets up a few paintings then comes out and says these represent 'her people's spiritual connection with the land and show why the gold mine should not go ahead' - and Tanya PlebeianShock - too long in the fattest job in the land - approves it as real without a second thought!!  Hindmarsh Island secret women's business all over again....

Damned fine argument for carefully vetting the type of people we allow into politics here and for restricting their tenure instead of making it a 'lifetime fattest in the land "career"  .......  FFS.... why do people continue to elect those types and allow them free range?

:D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:52pm:

Any apology (such as the one Elizabeth II made to the Maori people of NZ) is made as the sovereign, not as Elizabeth Windsor.

NZ is different from Oz and has no specific constitution. The monarch has a bit more authority.
In 2006 the Queen enacted 'Administrator of the Government.
Whenever the Office of Governor-General is vacant, or the holder of the Office is for any reason unable to perform all or any of the functions of the Office, We [ the monarch] do hereby authorise, empower, and command the Chief Justice of New Zealand to perform the functions of the Office of Governor-General. If, however, there is for the time being no Chief Justice able to act as Governor-General, then the next most senior Judge of the New Zealand judiciary who is able so to act is so authorised, empowered, and commanded. The Chief Justice or the next most senior Judge, while performing all or any of the functions of the Office of Governor-General, is to be known as the Administrator of the Government; and in these Our Letters Patent every reference to Our Governor-General includes, unless inconsistent with the context, a reference to Our Administrator of the Government.”

'And We do hereby reserve to Ourselves and Our heirs and successors, full power and authority from time to time to revoke, alter, or amend these Our Letters Patent as to Us or them shall seem meet.'
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That needs a referendum under the Oz constitution so the monarch in NZ = the population of Oz.  Thorpe was nuts to demand Charles give her a Treaty, he can't.

chimera wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:42am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:52pm: Any apology (such as the one Elizabeth II made to the Maori people of NZ) is made as the sovereign, not as Elizabeth Windsor. NZ is different from Oz and has no specific constitution. The monarch has a bit more authority. Thorpe was nuts to demand Charles give her a Treaty, he can't.

OK... And? The point being made in my post was that Elizabeth II speaks as the sovereign - an enduring role - not as Elizabeth Windsor.

Thorpe, I'm sure, did not expect Charles III to do anything unilaterally. She was scorning the sovereign (or the Crown) for crimes committed in its name.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/legal-expert-chris-merritt-calls-for-factual-inquiry-after-lidia-thorpe-disavowes-king-charles-in-parliament-house/news-story/8c1368a8d77603b0b37928048d4d3449
The video shows her stalking Charles personally and not in the group of pollies.  He had a treaty in his pocket and could have just handed it over.

chimera wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/legal-expert-chris-merritt-calls-for-factual-inquiry-after-lidia-thorpe-disavowes-king-charles-in-parliament-house/news-story/8c1368a8d77603b0b37928048d4d3449 The video shows her stalking Charles personally and not in the group of pollies.  He had a treaty in his pocket and could have just handed it over.

Stalking?? Please...

She was standing in front of the sovereign, many metres in front of him and did not pose any physical risk to him.

Her display demonstrated to all that she was not overawed by the sovereign's 'majesty' and was, in fact, contemptuous of it.

Whether that has consequences for her position as a senator is up to Parliament to decide.

However, what Parliament must take into account is, if it decides to eject her from the senate, it may spark protests that will be published around the world, thus augmenting her cause - Australians, being instinctive grovellers, will be personally embarrassed by any world headlines (particularly in the US) in defence of Thorpe.

She asked him for the treaty which shows she regards him as the government pinnacle (or that was her theatrical image). It's an American/ foreign concept that he rules Aboriginals. He don't.

chimera wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 10:55am:

She asked him for the treaty which shows she regards him as the government pinnacle (or that was her theatrical image). It's an American/ foreign concept that he rules Aboriginals. He don't.

I'd bet she gets that. Her point was likely to make the statement while the world's media was momentarily focussed on Charles III.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

BTW - where is Skanka yesterday and today?  RDO from the little party office or something?  Lockdown in the asylum/prison?  Nervous breakdown?  Just can't take it any more.... first Leftie, then mothra the invisible sock, now Skanka.... all the heroic ravers who offer nothing of substance just vanish as broken persons after trying their lot with reality as expressed here.

In case it wasn’t clear, I have a job and a life. I’m not some bitter, retired individual with nothing better to do than fixate on belittling Indigenous people at every opportunity just to boost my own sense of worth.  I'm not here 24x7.

I initially joined this forum under the assumption that it was a place for legitimate political discussion, unlike the overly sanitised environment of Whirlpool.

I hadn’t anticipated it being the polar opposite of that place. Less censorship and moderation is good, but outright platforming racist hate speech was entirely unexpected.  Some may think that FD has a lot to answer for.

Yet, I chose to stay because the only way to genuinely challenge and refine my views is to engage with perspectives I fundamentally disagree with, preventing myself from becoming trapped in an echo chamber.

While we’ve certainly clashed on numerous occasions it's not ever been anything personal.  One thing I cannot tolerate is when people abandon reality and substitute it with their own delusions, especially when it serves as a shield for blatant racism and bigotry.

You, ever the perpetual victim and fragile snowflake, have taken all of this far too personally. Rather than engage with reality, you’ve entrenched yourself deeper in an alternate world that makes you feel safe, validated, and superior.

It’s clear you’re simply not equipped for genuine discussion, especially when it reveals just how fragile your views are under the scrutiny of truth.

Just start the blog already.

One would think, after all these years, you might have evolved, but instead, you’ve regressed, becoming increasingly extreme as time goes on.

I truly pity those in your life who have to endure this deteriorating version of you. I can only hope it’s confined to us here, because if not, it’s only a matter of time before you drive everyone else away.


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If their abuse and insult and attempted put-downs and all the other childish nonsense doesn't walk - they vanish in a huff... What will I do for a laugh if they all vanish like that?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Imagine Skanka trying on the old line about 'that's why people treat you as they do' - when nobody bothered much with responding to hir raves and rants filled with vitriol and hatred instead of facts... and Skanka reckons they don;t all come from the same source - nah - just share the lingo, eh?

I attempted to engage with you respectfully, played along with your approach, and yet you still chose to act like a petulant, disrespectful child.

So now, I see no reason not to return your insolence in kind. You've earned it, slick.


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Oh, well - if Labor wants to waste good money on a pissy little office trying to desperately fend off their voice loss and their illegal putsch for Aboriginal Supremacy by carrying on like children, I suppose it's their money.

You’ve become so unmoored from reality that your only recourse is to resort to conspiracy theories whenever someone dares to disagree with you or when the facts fail to align with your warped beliefs.

Frankly, it’s pathetic.

Do yourself a favour and reach out to your family, assuming they haven’t disowned you yet. You’re clearly starved of human connection, which is driving you further into extremism.

But please, spare the rest of the world. Stay the gutless keyboard warrior you are. Keep your hatred confined to this forum, where at least it can be documented and scrutinised. You do realise this space is entirely public, right? No account is required to witness the vile trail of posts you've left behind for all to see.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 1:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 7:08am: BTW - where is Skanka yesterday and today?  RDO from the little party office or something?  Lockdown in the asylum/prison?  Nervous breakdown?  Just can't take it any more.... first Leftie, then mothra the invisible sock, now Skanka.... all the heroic ravers who offer nothing of substance just vanish as broken persons after trying their lot with reality as expressed here. In case it wasn’t clear, I have a job and a life. I’m not some bitter, retired individual with nothing better to do than fixate on belittling Indigenous people at every opportunity just to boost my own sense of worth.  I'm not here 24x7. I initially joined this forum under the assumption that it was a place for legitimate political discussion, unlike the overly sanitised environment of Whirlpool. I hadn’t anticipated it being the polar opposite of that place. Less censorship and moderation is good, but outright platforming racist hate speech was entirely unexpected.  Some may think that FD has a lot to answer for. Yet, I chose to stay because the only way to genuinely challenge and refine my views is to engage with perspectives I fundamentally disagree with, preventing myself from becoming trapped in an echo chamber. While we’ve certainly clashed on numerous occasions it's not ever been anything personal.  One thing I cannot tolerate is when people abandon reality and substitute it with their own delusions, especially when it serves as a shield for blatant racism and bigotry. You, ever the perpetual victim and fragile snowflake, have taken all of this far too personally. Rather than engage with reality, you’ve entrenched yourself deeper in an alternate world that makes you feel safe, validated, and superior. It’s clear you’re simply not equipped for genuine discussion, especially when it reveals just how fragile your views are under the scrutiny of truth. Just start the blog already. One would think, after all these years, you might have evolved, but instead, you’ve regressed, becoming increasingly extreme as time goes on. I truly pity those in your life who have to endure this deteriorating version of you. I can only hope it’s confined to us here, because if not, it’s only a matter of time before you drive everyone else away. Quote: If their abuse and insult and attempted put-downs and all the other childish nonsense doesn't walk - they vanish in a huff... What will I do for a laugh if they all vanish like that?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Imagine Skanka trying on the old line about 'that's why people treat you as they do' - when nobody bothered much with responding to hir raves and rants filled with vitriol and hatred instead of facts... and Skanka reckons they don;t all come from the same source - nah - just share the lingo, eh? I attempted to engage with you respectfully, played along with your approach, and yet you still chose to act like a petulant, disrespectful child. So now, I see no reason not to return your insolence in kind. You've earned it, slick. [quote]Oh, well - if Labor wants to waste good money on a pissy little office trying to desperately fend off their voice loss and their illegal putsch for Aboriginal Supremacy by carrying on like children, I suppose it's their money.

You’ve become so unmoored from reality that your only recourse is to resort to conspiracy theories whenever someone dares to disagree with you or when the facts fail to align with your warped beliefs.

Frankly, it’s pathetic.

Do yourself a favour and reach out to your family, assuming they haven’t disowned you yet. You’re clearly starved of human connection, which is driving you further into extremism.

But please, spare the rest of the world. Stay the gutless keyboard warrior you are. Keep your hatred confined to this forum, where at least it can be documented and scrutinised. You do realise this space is entirely public, right? No account is required to witness the vile trail of posts you've left behind for all to see.
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It is a place for legitimate political discussion - you destroyed that by assuming that everyone with a different view from your extremely narrow ones was the classical internet cardboard cutout character or a Racist/Bigot - and had no right or intelligence to form opinions and stat them.  See above for clear examples of your failings... that's you 'engaging in civilised discussion'... an absolutely laughable non-event.

You use that nonsense, accompanied by the above kind of vicious diatribe, to cover over the reality that you do not answer questions and do not even attempt to discuss very serious issues for Australia, but prefer to hide b ehind your nasty little name-calling and bigotry against anything Ordinary Australian.

Now then, slack - what about that Apartheid proven time and again, and clearly along Aboriginal supremacist lines?  When was the last time you were offered a freehold vast swathe of land instead of saving for a freehold block if you are lucky enough to be able to do so under this current government of two parties bent on subjugation of the 'lower classes'.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

It is a place for legitimate political discussion - you destroyed that by assuming that everyone with a different view from your extremely narrow ones was the classical internet cardboard cutout character or a Racist/Bigot - and had no right or intelligence to form opinions and stat them.

That is patently untrue. The only individuals I would categorise as racist or bigoted are those who consistently resort to racial slurs and advocate for genocide or segregation based on race—just as you do.


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See above for clear examples of your failings... that's you 'engaging in civilised discussion'... an absolutely laughable non-event.

You requested that I answer your questions, so I proposed a reset. I committed to treating you with respect and engaging in a good faith discussion.

Yet, you either refused or were incapable of reciprocating that respect. I provided you with multiple opportunities and reminded you of the civility we aimed to achieve, without invoking the phrase "in good faith" as you claimed this to be abusive, but you still lacked the integrity to engage meaningfully.

As a result, you will be treated no better than you have treated me and others who dissent from your views.

If you find this treatment objectionable, it does not make you a victim; it is merely a reflection of your own behaviour. Shocking as it may be, actions have consequences.


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You use that nonsense, accompanied by the above kind of vicious diatribe, to cover over the reality that you do not answer questions and do not even attempt to discuss very serious issues for Australia, but prefer to hide b ehind your nasty little name-calling and bigotry against anything Ordinary Australian.

It's in black and white.  I replied, in good faith, answering your questions, but you just ignored it.  Or, do the multiple people running your account not talk to each other? /s


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Now then, slack - what about that Apartheid proven time and again, and clearly along Aboriginal supremacist lines?  When was the last time you were offered a freehold vast swathe of land instead of saving for a freehold block if you are lucky enough to be able to do so under this current government of two parties bent on subjugation of the 'lower classes'.

"Apartheid proven"?

Simply asserting that something is proven does not make it so—especially when you redefine terms to suit your narrative yet again.

The Uluru Statement is not about Indigenous supremacy; that’s merely a line you believe will resonate with individuals as bigoted as yourself. You are accustomed to viewing yourself as superior, so any effort to level the playing field is perceived as a personal affront to your perceived supremacy. This is a profound failing within you; it is not anyone else’s fault.

Your concerns clearly centre on Indigenous land rights, which is indeed a legitimate issue. However, when you frame it as "The Voice by stealth" and repeatedly lie to mask the other falsehoods you’ve perpetuated, genuine debate becomes impossible.

If your position is so weak that you must resort to lies to bolster it, perhaps it’s time to pause, reassess, and approach the matter anew. Yet, your stubbornness reveals that, like many with limited intellectual capacity, you equate admitting any mistake with losing the argument. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of how discourse operates.

Reevaluate your stance and engage with the facts and reality. You are entitled to critique the existing framework of Indigenous land rights as a legislative issue. However, when you justify your views by espousing violence—wishing for the annihilation of Indigenous peoples during colonisation, fantasising about imprisoning them in zoos, or using racial slurs—your position shifts from a legislative concern to a bigoted and racist diatribe.

It does not help that you label everything as "lawfare" or "The Voice by stealth" to claim that whatever issue you’re discussing is undemocratic simply because the referendum was defeated. Your bigoted views, underpinned by lies and misrepresentations of truth, combined with your incessant use of racial slurs while portraying yourself as a victim, invalidate any claims of unfair treatment you may assert in this forum.

You've cried wolf about "The Voice by Stealth" and "Lawfare" that those claims of yours have no meaning anymore, especially after you admitted to redefining what "The Voice" meant.

So cease your whining, stop being a racist tool, and strive to be better. If you genuinely desire a substantive debate, the door remains open. However, you must first demonstrate your capacity for meaningful engagement. Time and again, you have shown that this is far beyond your reach.

So when you started throwing slurs around like racist etc, that wasn't a declaration of war?  Just a sweet way of starting discussion, eh?

Well - you know what - I give back as good as I get - love it or leave it... so if YOU hadn't started it off with YOUR racist slurs - such as 'racist' calling over ISSUES - you wouldn't be in the twist you are now.

If you can't see a joke or a parody for what it is - you have no business online in serious discussion and you should be considering being evaluated for autism or whatever on some spectrum.

Clearly it's a send-up to say 'the Poms should do better next time around' - which will never happen, right?  And you STILL struggle to see that '10% is about the average of those in that group who make a decent upwardly mobile life for themselves' - so saying that 10% of a rioting crowd who may be fired upon if they do not disperse after all avenues are exhausted (I'm exhausted just explaining simple realities to you) might be in the category of worth saving from their current lifestyle IF they choose to co-operate - is nothing but a comment on the possibilities for them given their lack of attention to 'white man's education' - which slovenly approach to the 21st Century YOU and your kind including 'governments' promote and advocate and enhance by offering them freebie after freebie instead of telling them to shape up or ship out.

Get a grip on this, Slacker - EVERY Free Settler who arrived had his/her lands stolen before they ever came here... where's their cut of 'stolen land' and where are their 'ancestral claims' for everything??  Well - I'll TELL you where it is!  Right Here and Now In AUSTRALIA given that they've paid for their land and country and everything in it etc and are paying MORE for it NOW while putting up with their current government madness of gifting towards one small minority or another who are indolent in the main and unwilling to actively participate in their own raising up to full Australian standard.

You cannot be for real.

Drain the Billabongs.... Cut The Aliens Out Of Australian!!

I'm so exhausted trying to bring light into your clouded mind that I'm prepared to hand over the siege to the military authorities and call in 22 SAS..... mothra is incurable... so is smith - you show vestiges of intelligence at times - Iranian embassy style complete with zip ties......  (heh, heh, heh)....

Now try desperately and with zero foundation to say that I've slagged YOU as much as you've slagged me even today.  You are a liar, sir - and the mods know full well when they read who is doing the slagging... it must be natural to you.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

So when you started throwing slurs around like racist etc, that wasn't a declaration of war?  Just a sweet way of starting discussion, eh?

If you don't want to be called racist, stop advocating for things are racist and using racial slurs.

Quack quack.


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Well - you know what - I give back as good as I get - love it or leave it... so if YOU hadn't started it off with YOUR racist slurs - such as 'racist' calling over ISSUES - you wouldn't be in the twist you are now.

You're now redefining what a slur is...  White flag accepted.


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If you can't see a joke or a parody for what it is - you have no business online in serious discussion and you should be considering being evaluated for autism or whatever on some spectrum.

You want to be taken seriously here, claiming to have a genuine concern for the people you "joke" about killing and ethnically cleansing?

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Clearly it's a send-up to say 'the Poms should do better next time around' - which will never happen, right?  And you STILL struggle to see that '10% is about the average of those in that group who make a decent upwardly mobile life for themselves' - so saying that 10% of a rioting crowd who may be fired upon if they do not disperse after all avenues are exhausted (I'm exhausted just explaining simple realities to you) might be in the category of worth saving from their current lifestyle IF they choose to co-operate - is nothing but a comment on the possibilities for them given their lack of attention to 'white man's education' - which slovenly approach to the 21st Century YOU and your kind including 'governments' promote and advocate and enhance by offering them freebie after freebie instead of telling them to shape up or ship out. Get a grip on this, Slacker - EVERY Free Settler who arrived had his/her lands stolen before they ever came here... where's their cut of 'stolen land' and where are their 'ancestral claims' for everything??  Well - I'll TELL you where it is!  Right Here and Now In AUSTRALIA given that they've paid for their land and country and everything in it etc and are paying MORE for it NOW while putting up with their current government madness of gifting towards one small minority or another who are indolent in the main and unwilling to actively participate in their own raising up to full Australian standard. You cannot be for real. Drain the Billabongs.... Cut The Aliens Out Of Australian!! I'm so exhausted trying to bring light into your clouded mind that I'm prepared to hand over the siege to the military authorities and call in 22 SAS..... mothra is incurable... so is smith - you show vestiges of intelligence at times - Iranian embassy style complete with zip ties......  (heh, heh, heh).... Now try desperately and with zero foundation to say that I've slagged YOU as much as you've slagged me even today.  You are a liar, sir - and the mods know full well when they read who is doing the slagging... it must be natural to you.

Again, if you don't want to be thought of as racist, then stop acting racist.

It's such a simple concept.

Joking about killing Indigenous People, joking about the British should have done a better job killing them all during colonisation, joking about shooting them on site, constantly using racial slurs, constantly lying about any piece of news being "The Voice by stealth" or "Lawfare" when they have nothing to do with it and having such a monumental tantrum when being called out about it all, these are not the actions of someone who is acting in good faith and isn't a racist piece of poo.

If you don't like what you see in the mirror, attacking me won't help.

Be better.

I don't advocate for anything racist other than to support the demands of racist Abactivists - I merely offer to the rabid Abactivists what they imagine they want - and they - and you - pull back suddenly from 'their own state self-supported', and 'take your 'sovereignty' and withdraw from your Australian citizenship and all it benefits which you now will pay for like any visitor on a visa which you will require to remain here- can't have all the good bits and none of the responsibilities.... the moment Reality comes into the discussion out come the heel dust AND the personal abuse smokescreen.

I oppose every day Apartheid, neo-Segregation, and special unearned privilege for whining and behaving in a menacing manner.

Aborassic Park - would you prefer we call it Shangri-labor or something instead - is a great earner idea for those who demand that they be allowed to 'do things their way' and live the idyllic life 'pre-1788 and the White Man's Invasion with all the evil things he brought' - AND offered them a couple of ways to earn a few shekels - Maverick style hunting trips.... contracts to be guards and beagle pack handlers for Gondwanamo Bay (Gon'Mo) - the repository for EVERY kind of recalcitrant badass and not just Abo badasses who are by far the highest percentage amongst our Indigenous population which is all those born here .... and the fun of hunting down escapees from Gon'Mo before the crocs get them.... stir the old hunting Chinamen for food genes and give 'em a run... you know...

Then there is the offer of a block of building land for each family........ and when the Queenslund (where they do things diff'runtly) 'government' takes up this idea - it suddenly transforms into demanding freehold ownership of every bit of good coastal land in Queensland .... well that dingo ain't gonna hunt!.

Soon as I make those generous offers, you - and they - all run like pigs from a gun... you - and they - don't really WANT their 'sovereignty' and all that guff - for the simple reason that they - and the stupid governments with no balls - KNOW that they can't have it both ways, but while they remain in limbo and are not told where to get off, they will continue to be a problem for the general community in every way they can come up with.

And so your governments betray the people and just hand over what is unearned and unwarranted - and the people said, still say and will say NO!

Get with the program or on your bike with your bag for Gon'Mo.

Your 'governments' simply lack the balls to tell it like it is - I simply tell it like it is - and you hate it!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

I don't advocate for anything racist other than to support the demands of racist Abactivists - I merely offer to the rabid Abactivists what they imagine they want - and they - and you - pull back suddenly from 'their own state self-supported', and 'take your 'sovereignty' and withdraw from your Australian citizenship and all it benefits which you now will pay for like any visitor on a visa which you will require to remain here- can't have all the good bits and none of the responsibilities.... the moment Reality comes into the discussion out come the heel dust AND the personal abuse smokescreen. I oppose every day Apartheid, neo-Segregation, and special unearned privilege for whining and behaving in a menacing manner.

You have an interesting way of showing it.

If that were genuinely your intent, you’d be actively fighting for Indigenous rights, working to dismantle the barriers that drive de facto segregation, barriers embedded in economic inequality, residential divisions, education gaps, employment discrimination, and social exclusion within areas of higher Indigenous populations.

Instead, you oppose every initiative aimed at addressing these issues, recently dismissing them as "lawfare."

Your actions speak louder than your hallow words.

Distorting Indigenous advocacy to equate it with forced captivity and fantasies of hunting people for sport, your absurd "Aborassic Park" notion, is not supporting their demands.


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Aborassic Park - would you prefer we call it Shangri-labor or something instead - is a great earner idea for those who demand that they be allowed to 'do things their way' and live the idyllic life 'pre-1788 and the White Man's Invasion with all the evil things he brought' - AND offered them a couple of ways to earn a few shekels - Maverick style hunting trips.... contracts to be guards and beagle pack handlers for Gondwanamo Bay (Gon'Mo) - the repository for EVERY kind of recalcitrant badass and not just Abo badasses who are by far the highest percentage amongst our Indigenous population which is all those born here .... and the fun of hunting down escapees from Gon'Mo before the crocs get them.... stir the old hunting Chinamen for food genes and give 'em a run... you know...

I would prefer if you refrained from treating people as though they were animals, creatures to be confined in "hermetically sealed" enclosures or hunted and killed for sport.


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Then there is the offer of a block of building land for each family........ and when the Queenslund (where they do things diff'runtly) 'government' takes up this idea - it suddenly transforms into demanding freehold ownership of every bit of good coastal land in Queensland .... well that dingo ain't gonna hunt!. Soon as I make those generous offers, you - and they - all run like pigs from a gun... you - and they - don't really WANT their 'sovereignty' and all that guff - for the simple reason that they - and the stupid governments with no balls - KNOW that they can't have it both ways, but while they remain in limbo and are not told where to get off, they will continue to be a problem for the general community in every way they can come up with.

You draw arbitrary boundaries around regions you aim to isolate, forcibly separating people from the rest of society while insisting, "it's what they want."

This isn't what they're advocating for.

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And so your governments betray the people and just hand over what is unearned and unwarranted - and the people said, still say and will say NO! Get with the program or on your bike with your bag for Gon'Mo. Your 'governments' simply lack the balls to tell it like it is - I simply tell it like it is - and you hate it!!

If you take issue with land rights policies and legislation, then engage with that subject directly.

Do not disguise your agenda by framing The Voice by stealth against the will of the people. Refrain from racial slurs and abandon the vile rhetoric that advocates violence against Indigenous communities, or fantasies of isolating them within “sealed domes” or establishing quotas for those heinous ideas that involve the hunting, harm, or targeting of people as though they were animals subject to “bag limits.” or saying this would have all been easier if the British has wiped them out during colonisation.

If you can’t restrain yourself to a constructive debate on land rights, then it's clear that land rights are not your true concern, they’re merely a cover for racist intent, just like everything else recently.

If you dislike the reflection of your own words, consider changing your stance rather than blaming others for holding up the mirror.

You have no grounds to complain of "abuse" when others cite and criticise the openly racist statements you have made. You cannot rewrite history to erase documented evidence; your statements stand in context, available for all to read.

Be better, slick.

I am fighting for Rights -  not just Aboriginal wants..... or anyone else's wants.

For a right to be a Right - it must apply equally to all - I'll put in my claim for ancestral land in Queensland then and expect a positive result?   8-)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 9:58am: https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/legal-expert-chris-merritt-calls-for-factual-inquiry-after-lidia-thorpe-disavowes-king-charles-in-parliament-house/news-story/8c1368a8d77603b0b37928048d4d3449 The video shows her stalking Charles personally and not in the group of pollies.  He had a treaty in his pocket and could have just handed it over. Stalking?? Please... She was standing in front of the sovereign, many metres in front of him and did not pose any physical risk to him. Her display demonstrated to all that she was not overawed by the sovereign's 'majesty' and was, in fact, contemptuous of it. Whether that has consequences for her position as a senator is up to Parliament to decide. However, what Parliament must take into account is, if it decides to eject her from the senate, it may spark protests that will be published around the world, thus augmenting her cause - Australians, being instinctive grovellers, will be personally embarrassed by any world headlines (particularly in the US) in defence of Thorpe.

Really? who is actually in awe of his 'majesty'??

Thorpe is contemptuous of everybody. Her nickname should be COAT = front bottom Of A Thing.

And it's the left that hold the crown for being grovelers.

Most Australians don't like arselickers/brown noses.

If she'd been a threat the bodyguards would have drilled her with sub-sonic rounds that hopefully wouldn't exit and hurt someone innocent..  it's a hard job.... maybe they'd hit her with a rolled up magazine or something... though she's probably used to that...   8-)

Nah - what they are DEMANDING is Supremacist Apartheid to suit them.... that dingo won't hunt.

Now - back to those moderate suggestions of their own homeland without treaties - you can't have treaties with your own people and they possess no sparate sovereignty and if they do or did, they are non-citizens here and must repay the rent in all ways..... their own way to suit themselves without interference with or from anyone else in any way (no 4WD tyre tracks, no beer can cairns, etc around the place) ... or alternatively a block of land for each family - a far better handout deal than anyone else gets here in full satisfaction of all past, present and future land claims .... and equal rights to share use of national parks, crown land and national icons alongside everyone else in this man's democracy of equals (is there another kind?  Please don't tell me their activists are placing their faith in campfire tales and revised history - these natives are on trial for their lifestyle....)  ... right to carry on GENUINE traditional pursuits such as camping, a little hunting with traditional things, bit of yabbying... etc ... and 'spiritual' things ONLY in dedicated areas resolved fully (everywhere and everything isn't a 'sacred site' - jeez - years ago in my naivety I looked askance at a bloke who criticised Aborigines for that - now we all know better - it's just a grab for all the best sites and land etc) ..... NO separate representation, all bodies to cease forthwith and be replaced with what all others get - vote for it .... oversight of funding and expenditure ... the way things have been going, clearly someone outside needs to control their 'royalties' etc...

But I suppose they'll just prefer to continue with their push for Night and Fog and deportation far away from what passes for home for 're-education' in the camps.... Northern Territory style.... at least the kid criminals will all get fed on time....... and won't be killed in crashes of stolen cars.... and let their African Kings just spend their royalties on selves and mates and family as usual .... can't Intervene™ - that's be Invasion™ .... something that keeps politicians awake at night..... poor darlings... just tell it like it is ...

Charlie has nothing to apologise for - and his lackey Rudd already apologised once - how many times do they expect to demand and get such special treatment?  Australia now wishes Rudd had just STFU and not licked their nuts... just look at the joint since then ... all downhill....   8-)

Gnads wrote on Oct 26^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Really? who is actually in awe of his 'majesty'??

Not His Majesty...

Majesty.

It's the difference in respect and attention paid to Charles III and the Governor-General. Even visits by most heads of state/government to Australia barely raise a head, although there are some exceptions: US presidents and Modi, for example.

Setanta wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm: Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described. What are you imagining he should apologise for? For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?

Like as if he’s not educated to know all the ins and outs of every country’s sovereign and history …he knew what he was getting into as he’s in his 70s before accepting role of king, otherwise if it’s too hot to handle then he could’ve gotten out of the kitchen and abdicated. Since he’s had a great life of wealth and privilege under the shadow of his mummy.
How different it would’ve been if Diana was still around? The one with true empathy.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 11:31am:

No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation.

Yeah… I recall Kevin o seven saying sorry.

PS…. I read first page n half before it turned to squabbles then didn’t read all myriad of postings. :-/

Sophia wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:20am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 11:31am: No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation. Yeah… I recall Kevin o seven saying sorry. PS…. I read first page n half before it turned to squabbles then didn’t read all myriad of postings. :-/

It's hard to avoid with certain posters around here who are incapable of acting in good faith, sadly.

I don't think it would benefit anyone for Chuck to say Sorry, and being that he isn't just British, but royalty, they won't even admit to making a mistake, let alone apologise for something.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Sophia wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:20am: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 11:31am: No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation. Yeah… I recall Kevin o seven saying sorry. PS…. I read first page n half before it turned to squabbles then didn’t read all myriad of postings. :-/ It's hard to avoid with certain posters around here who are incapable of acting in good faith, sadly. I don't think it would benefit anyone for Chuck to say Sorry, and being that he isn't just British, but royalty, they won't even admit to making a mistake, let alone apologise for something.

Course you didn't, did-ums - and it was YOU, methra, laughing boy, and Smith who turned it to squabbles - you and your fellow socks all speaking with forked tongue in tongue-synch.  Look at kanga's posts on this page, people - we're being lied to!!  Take a bow.....

You are so right - some of you find it impossible to deal with reality and to refrain from personal rants.

Your page after page of 'engaging respectfully' is noted by all, along with the similarities to certain other users, down to wording.

You lost, sunshine.  And you personally are a lost soul.  Your approach to soft-soaping Abos has lead to the Midnight Express I warned you about - those who are considered anti-social elements are now to be shipped 1500 miles away from home for 're-education' in the Northern Territory.... it has begun!!  Soon the NT might declare Arnhem Land its very own state-designed Homeland (The Park Mk I) and start shipping them all there for 're-education' from the Elders etc - though we all know these wonderfully peaceful small groups of people fight one another and try to kill one another at the drop of a boomerang and the elders might spear 'em or club 'em ... the Wadeye Syndrome - seven groups stuck together - none will pick up and just leave for a better life - they all remain and try to fight it out for supremacy over 'their land' .... that's Australia at this time in a nutshell... (scrotum) ...

No mistakes were made by the Bri'ish (of which I am not one by DNA) - they brought civilisation to a dark continent occupied by a few wandering cave people struggling to survive - now there are tall buildings, highways, rail, air flights, free healthcare and then some for Abos (you don't like that shortened word - eat my shorts - I'm not going to type 'Aborigines' every time just to suit you and allow you to maintain your snowflake safe space without being 'sensitive' over it all in your advocacy of victimhood), housing with roofs!!, clean water (well - sort of in the cities), running toilets and sewerage plants for health reasons, readily available food, plenty of space for everyone to enjoy until the True Victims come along and push the line that the Poor Abos once 'owned ' it all and now want to own it all again, except that unlike everyone else, they not only don't want to pay for a patch but they want everyone else to pay for it and then pay them rent or something ridiculous, and all this while being an absolute minority.

Don't you think it's time they launched their own lifeboat and actually started paddling instead of expecting to be hand-loaded into the lifeboats and then rowed around by White Slaves?

Jeez - look at the way I've 'engaged respectfully' by your standards there... hardly at all... it's all about issues....

Cop this respectful engagement - GROW UP!   8-)


P.S.  When are you signing your property over to the Abos up there under the ALA?  Home and land where your mouth is?  Or do those acquisitions only apply to the 'lesser' folk out there - the Queensland hillbillies outside the intellectual and moral wasteland of the future Rumphole State - currently South East Queensland?

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Did any royals say sorry about burning of Washington in 1814?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:43am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:32am: Sophia wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:20am: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 11:31am: No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation. Yeah… I recall Kevin o seven saying sorry. PS…. I read first page n half before it turned to squabbles then didn’t read all myriad of postings. :-/ It's hard to avoid with certain posters around here who are incapable of acting in good faith, sadly. I don't think it would benefit anyone for Chuck to say Sorry, and being that he isn't just British, but royalty, they won't even admit to making a mistake, let alone apologise for something. You are so right - some of you find it impossible to deal with reality and to refrain from personal rants.

Interesting take.

Wrong of course, unless you're talking about yourself, but interesting that you'd feel so compelled to come in and defend yourself when you weren't named.

I guess a guilty conscience can do that.

Post 17: I shared my opinion on the matter in a calm, measured and polite way.

You followed that up with 3 ranting posts with the last one lobbing personal insults my way in Post 20.

Post 21: I replied politely, pointing out what you'd done, and your further demands, and questioning what you expect me to do with that, given the personal attacks.

Then as usual your next couple of posts are laced with your general disrespect, editing my quotes and more demands to answer your question about reconciliation in post 24.

Against my better judgment which later proved to be a mistake, in post 25 I offered you the chance for a reset, to put your past abuse behind and engage in the genuine discussion you're demanding about defining reconciliation, with a simple question to you that should I answer your question, will you answer mine. 

Your response?  In post 26 you edited my quotes out again, falsely accused me or personal slagging and animosity and refused to even acknowledge the offer of an exchange, I answer your question, you answer mind and again just reiterated your demands that I answer your question.

In post 32, I questioned given your response, how could I trust you to engage in the give-and-take of a genuine discussion and requoted my question you edited out.

You ignored it again in post 33 and just demanded I answer the question. 

So I gave you the benefit of the doubt in post 34 and did just that and answer your questions about how I define reconciliation.

So up until this point, I gave you the reset, ignoring all your past abuse and attempted to engage with you in good faith.  Your response was to refuse to commit to the basic tenants of a discussion, use disparaging names to refer to me, edited my quotes and kept disrespectfully demanding I answer your questions without the promise of any sort of good faith response.  Despite all of that, I still answered your question.

From here, things deteriorated even further.

I answered your question, and I thought it only fair, since we're attempting a reset and a genuine discussion, that you answer mine.

But no, just more follow-up questions and demands.

More back and forths, with me requesting you answer my question and you stubbornly refusing, doing the usual quote editing, name calling and general disrespect.

I gave up by post 68.  I wasn't going to waste any more time pretending you were capable of the sort of genuine discussion you're demanding from me.  It's a two way street. 

You went on to play the victim of abuse when faced with an accurate description of your behaviour when I held a mirror up to you.

You then made more bullshit claims about me or what I stand for, claiming that "apartheid proven" and other such bullshit.

You're having a sook about being called racist, but look at your history!

YOU ARE.

So spare us the act of playing the wounded party, claiming others refuse to engage with you in good faith. The reality is, attempts were made, and they failed, because you either chose not to reciprocate or lack the basic capacity to discuss this topic without resorting to abuse and shallow gotchas. Like so much of what you post here, your stance crumbles under scrutiny, and instead of confronting that, you retreat into your worn-out toolkit of distraction, deflection, and personal attacks, all while projecting those very tactics onto others as you pose as the victim of your own behaviour.

No one’s falling for it.

Do better.

Still with the personal side of things, eh?  What an amazing rant, champ.

Can't address the issues?   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

The Poms brought civilisation - without which there would be no avenue for Abo whining today!!

King Charles should apologize to humanity for the existence of Grappler.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:43am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:32am: Sophia wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:20am: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 11:31am: No. The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation. Yeah… I recall Kevin o seven saying sorry. PS…. I read first page n half before it turned to squabbles then didn’t read all myriad of postings. :-/ It's hard to avoid with certain posters around here who are incapable of acting in good faith, sadly. I don't think it would benefit anyone for Chuck to say Sorry, and being that he isn't just British, but royalty, they won't even admit to making a mistake, let alone apologise for something. Course you didn't, did-ums - and it was YOU, methra, laughing boy, and Smith who turned it to squabbles - you and your fellow socks all speaking with forked tongue in tongue-synch.  Look at kanga's posts on this page, people - we're being lied to!!  Take a bow..... You are so right - some of you find it impossible to deal with reality and to refrain from personal rants. Your page after page of 'engaging respectfully' is noted by all, along with the similarities to certain other users, down to wording. You lost, sunshine.  And you personally are a lost soul.  Your approach to soft-soaping Abos has lead to the Midnight Express I warned you about - those who are considered anti-social elements are now to be shipped 1500 miles away from home for 're-education' in the Northern Territory.... it has begun!!  Soon the NT might declare Arnhem Land its very own state-designed Homeland (The Park Mk I) and start shipping them all there for 're-education' from the Elders etc - though we all know these wonderfully peaceful small groups of people fight one another and try to kill one another at the drop of a boomerang and the elders might spear 'em or club 'em ... the Wadeye Syndrome - seven groups stuck together - none will pick up and just leave for a better life - they all remain and try to fight it out for supremacy over 'their land' .... that's Australia at this time in a nutshell... (scrotum) ... No mistakes were made by the Bri'ish (of which I am not one by DNA) - they brought civilisation to a dark continent occupied by a few wandering cave people struggling to survive - now there are tall buildings, highways, rail, air flights, free healthcare and then some for Abos (you don't like that shortened word - eat my shorts - I'm not going to type 'Aborigines' every time just to suit you and allow you to maintain your snowflake safe space without being 'sensitive' over it all in your advocacy of victimhood), housing with roofs!!, clean water (well - sort of in the cities), running toilets and sewerage plants for health reasons, readily available food, plenty of space for everyone to enjoy until the True Victims come along and push the line that the Poor Abos once 'owned ' it all and now want to own it all again, except that unlike everyone else, they not only don't want to pay for a patch but they want everyone else to pay for it and then pay them rent or something ridiculous, and all this while being an absolute minority. Don't you think it's time they launched their own lifeboat and actually started paddling instead of expecting to be hand-loaded into the lifeboats and then rowed around by White Slaves? Jeez - look at the way I've 'engaged respectfully' by your standards there... hardly at all... it's all about issues.... Cop this respectful engagement - GROW UP!   8-) P.S.  When are you signing your property over to the Abos up there under the ALA?  Home and land where your mouth is?  Or do those acquisitions only apply to the 'lesser' folk out there - the Queensland hillbillies outside the intellectual and moral wasteland of the future Rumphole State - currently South East Queensland?

I'll have to requote because you've edited your post since I replied.

This edit exemplifies precisely what I highlighted: filled with personal insults, blatant lies, misinformation, and even racial slurs thrown in for good measure.

Your fixation on "winning" - even if it means lying to yourself to maintain that illusion, is exactly why genuine discussion or even the faintest semblance of respectful exchange is impossible with you.

You aren’t here to engage in dialogue or explore ideas. Your only aim is to dismiss anything that challenges your beliefs. When you lack evidence, you pivot to attack mode, directing your venom at the person or fabricating whatever suits your narrative.

Edit: and of course playing the victim, can't forget that.

You have no interest in having your views challenged or scrutinised.

Which is why I suggested you start a blog. That way, you can exert full control, avoid the inconvenience of opposing viewpoints, and won’t have to endure the "abuse" of others simply disagreeing with you.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:35pm:

Can't address the issues?   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

You lost the right to pretend to care about the issues, champ.

If you can prove you're capable of a genuine discussion we may try again, but you're not even making an effort.

I have too much self respect to fall for your bullshit again.

You simply don't have any idea how to 'engage respectfully', do you?  You imagine that bluster and supercilious commentary is 'engaging respectfully', chimp.

No wonder they're always fighting you down at the pub, slick.

You can't effectively respond to the issues other than with bluster, so you run away.  White flag accepted.

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Looks like I lied about the benefits of modern civilisation - which, let me remind you, speed, you haven't 'refuted' but merely said NO to - are you Doctor No?

So easy ....    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

How far back should conquerors apologise and be sorry?

Frank wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:04pm:

How far back should conquerors apologise and be sorry?

50,000 years ............................................................... (that'll draw their teeth)...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

You simply don't have any idea how to 'engage respectfully', do you?  You imagine that bluster and supercilious commentary is 'engaging respectfully', chimp. No wonder they're always fighting you down at the pub, slick. You can't effectively respond to the issues other than with bluster, so you run away.  White flag accepted. ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Looks like I lied about the benefits of modern civilisation - which, let me remind you, speed, you haven't 'refuted' but merely said NO to - are you Doctor No? So easy ....    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Once again, it’s there in black and white. Twist the facts however you like, at this point, I doubt even you believe your own spin.

I gave you a clean slate, answered your demands (hardly a polite request) to share my views on reconciliation. I requested simple reciprocity: I'd answer your question, then you'd answer mine.

What did I get? Not even the courtesy of acknowledgement. When I answered, in full, and in good faith as you insisted, you ignored my question and set out even more demands.

That's not good faith. That’s entitlement.

Don't pretend you weren’t treated with respect; you were, far more than you deserved.

And as I’ve had to remind you before, if you don’t like it, be better.

You’ll be treated exactly how you treat me, "Crappler." If you find that unpalatable, then earn some respect.

And if you can’t manage that, at least do us the favour of sparing us the incessant whining.

You are no victim.

You, of all people, should disdain the notion of being easily offended, yet here you are, calling me "abusive" for simply pointing out your inability to engage sincerely.

So, Crappler, here’s the choice: be better, or receive the treatment you so freely dole out to others.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 1:00pm: You simply don't have any idea how to 'engage respectfully', do you?  You imagine that bluster and supercilious commentary is 'engaging respectfully', chimp. No wonder they're always fighting you down at the pub, slick. You can't effectively respond to the issues other than with bluster, so you run away.  White flag accepted. ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Looks like I lied about the benefits of modern civilisation - which, let me remind you, speed, you haven't 'refuted' but merely said NO to - are you Doctor No? So easy ....    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Once again, it’s there in black and white. Twist the facts however you like, at this point, I doubt even you believe your own spin. I gave you a clean slate, answered your demands (hardly a polite request) to share my views on reconciliation. I requested simple reciprocity: I'd answer your question, then you'd answer mine. What did I get? Not even the courtesy of acknowledgement. When I answered, in full, and in good faith as you insisted, you ignored my question and set out even more demands. That's not good faith. That’s entitlement. Don't pretend you weren’t treated with respect; you were, far more than you deserved. And as I’ve had to remind you before, if you don’t like it, be better. You’ll be treated exactly how you treat me, "Crappler." If you find that unpalatable, then earn some respect. And if you can’t manage that, at least do us the favour of sparing us the incessant whining. You are no victim. You, of all people, should disdain the notion of being easily offended, yet here you are, calling me "abusive" for simply pointing out your inability to engage sincerely. So, Crappler, here’s the choice: be better, or receive the treatment you so freely dole out to others.

Do go on. And on.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:13am: Really? who is actually in awe of his 'majesty'?? Not His Majesty... Majesty. It's the difference in respect and attention paid to Charles III and the Governor-General. Even visits by most heads of state/government to Australia barely raise a head, although there are some exceptions: US presidents and Modi, for example.

Yes ... but it is his ... of which you speak.

Gnads wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 8:36am: Gnads wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:13am: Really? who is actually in awe of his 'majesty'?? Not His Majesty... Majesty. It's the difference in respect and attention paid to Charles III and the Governor-General. Even visits by most heads of state/government to Australia barely raise a head, although there are some exceptions: US presidents and Modi, for example. Yes ... but it is his ... of which you speak.

No, I'm referring to the phenomenon of majesty in itself.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:04pm: How far back should conquerors apologise and be sorry? 50,000 years ............................................................... (that'll draw their teeth)...

Try 250,000 years - that's what the clown Brendan Kerin said in his (You're not) Welcome to Country at the AFL Grand Final.  ;D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 10:57am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 8:36am: Gnads wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:13am: Really? who is actually in awe of his 'majesty'?? Not His Majesty... Majesty. It's the difference in respect and attention paid to Charles III and the Governor-General. Even visits by most heads of state/government to Australia barely raise a head, although there are some exceptions: US presidents and Modi, for example. Yes ... but it is his ... of which you speak. No, I'm referring to the phenomenon of majesty in itself.

Yes ... I know you're having trouble here - I know what you're referring to ....

The majesty or lack there of of him - it's certainly not the majesty of Carmilla. ;D

Gnads wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 11:04am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 11:00am: Gnads wrote on Oct 31st, 2024 at 10:57am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 8:36am: Gnads wrote on Oct 26th, 2024 at 11:13am: Really? who is actually in awe of his 'majesty'?? Not His Majesty... Majesty. It's the difference in respect and attention paid to Charles III and the Governor-General. Even visits by most heads of state/government to Australia barely raise a head, although there are some exceptions: US presidents and Modi, for example. Yes ... but it is his ... of which you speak. No, I'm referring to the phenomenon of majesty in itself. Yes ... I know you're having trouble here - I know what you're referring to .... The majesty or lack there of of him - it's certainly not the majesty of Carmilla. ;D

Well, the awe of majesty is focussed on that of the reigning monarch, regardless of who that monarch is, not so much to the Queen-Consort, who is not the head of state; as George VI was the main act, above his Queen-Consort Elizabeth, or the Prince-Consort of Elizabeth II, Phillip.

Something commented on a few years ago was, what would people think of Charles, who was relatively unpopular as the Prince of Wales, once he became king. One historian commented, presciently then, that the mystery and awe of majesty would transform him, in the people's psyche, the moment he became monarch.

He was right.

Gnads wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 11:02am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:19pm: Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:04pm: How far back should conquerors apologise and be sorry? 50,000 years ............................................................... (that'll draw their teeth)... Try 250,000 years - that's what the clown Brendan Kerin said in his (You're not) Welcome to Country at the AFL Grand Final.  ;D

My mistake ....  ;D

Geoffrey Blainey says Indigenous Australians ‘far far better off’ since 1788

Prominent conservative historian Geoffrey Blainey says Indigenous Australians are “far far better” off since colonisation and are benefiting from a dramatic increase in life expectancy since 1788.

Professor Blainey rejected suggestions it was a national shame that the life expectancy of Indigenous people was eight years lower than other Australians, backing leading No campaigner Jacinta Price’s claim colonisation had been positive for First Nations people.

Professor Blainey, one of Australia’s most prolific historians writing more than 40 books, ­argued the life expectancy gap ­between Indigenous and non-­indigenous Australians was “misleading” when used as a lone fact.

“The life expectancy of us all, Aboriginal peoples included, has improved dramatically since 1788,” he writes in The Weekend Australian’s Inquirer section.

“I myself believe that most ­Aboriginals and Torres Strait ­Islanders are far, far better off today than if they were living in 1788.

“This land is infinitely more fruitful than it was in 1788, and most Aboriginals are now the gainers … Here in this continent arose a democratic society which, for all its imperfections, offers liberty in a world where liberty is not normal.”

Professor Blainey says the life expectancy of Indigenous Australians – recorded in 2018 as 71.6 years for men and 75.6 years for women – is “about the same as the average citizen of the world”.

“Every country in Africa has a much lower life expectation than Indigenous Australians. Even the European Union displays more than an eight-year gap between member nations,” he writes.

“There is a wide gap between north and south England. Today the Aboriginals have a life expectancy equal to that of Bulgaria and Romania. Their life expectancy is higher than that in peacetime Russia and Ukraine.”

Among other contentious claims in his piece, the 93-year-old pours doubt over the future of remote Indigenous towns, critises the Native Title Act and ­refers to the “so-called Stolen Generation” as being made up of “Aboriginal children who had to be rescued for the sake of their own safety and welfare”.