Cherbourg mayor says Queensland's Truth Telling and Healing Inquiry chance to 'hear our truth' as David Crisafulli vows to scrap it, if elected >:(

Well - get it all of your chest and be healed... then move on FCS.  Present your versions of events and then let others do the same.

Thing is - unlike youse lot - most people don't dwell on their ancestral issues - I'm part Jewish - hate no German alive, hold no grudge... I'm part Danish .. hold no grudge against anyone ... I'm part Scottish - hold no grudge against any Saucy Sassenach for stealing the land or any laird for enclosing it like youse bludgers want to ... I'm part Irish - hold no grudge against any English swine for the millions of people killed by their invasions one after another - my clan comes from Northern Ireland area, from the High Kings - when the Irish were driven off that land a million or more died'

FFS get over it and get on with living in the modern world - it's not going to wait for you much longer.

Get your say out - expect that it will NEVER be the whole story but only yours - STFU when others give their stories on the same subjects - and move TF on!!  In case you missed it, the people of this country are sick and tired of giving you 'compensation' for everything only to see you spit in their faces and demand more, and the country is entering a phase when it can no longer afford your luxury run without your active participation and honest attempt at self-improvement.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Well - get it all of your chest and be healed... then move on FCS.

Grappler has zero credentials in truth-telling.

What do 1920s cattle trucks look like? :-/


Quote:

Rounded up on cattle trucks Jackie Huggins's mother was stolen and taken to Cherbourg mission, west of Brisbane. There they were jailed for speaking language, Dr Huggins said. Dr Jackie Huggins, pictured here in 2021, also gave evidence to the inquiry. (Facebook: Annastacia Palaszczuk) Like so many others, she was sent to be a servant to white farming families. "My mother was rounded up and put on the back of a cattle truck in the 1920s," Dr Huggins, a Bidjara and Birri Gubba Juru woman, told the inquiry.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Well - get it all of your chest and be healed... then move on FCS.  Present your versions of events and then let others do the same. Thing is - unlike youse lot - most people don't dwell on their ancestral issues - I'm part Jewish - hate no German alive, hold no grudge... I'm part Danish .. hold no grudge against anyone ... I'm part Scottish - hold no grudge against any Saucy Sassenach for stealing the land or any laird for enclosing it like youse bludgers want to ... I'm part Irish - hold no grudge against any English swine for the millions of people killed by their invasions one after another - my clan comes from Northern Ireland area, from the High Kings - when the Irish were driven off that land a million or more died' FFS get over it and get on with living in the modern world - it's not going to wait for you much longer. Get your say out - expect that it will NEVER be the whole story but only yours - STFU when others give their stories on the same subjects - and move TF on!!  In case you missed it, the people of this country are sick and tired of giving you 'compensation' for everything only to see you spit in their faces and demand more, and the country is entering a phase when it can no longer afford your luxury run without your active participation and honest attempt at self-improvement.

I tell nothing but the truth.

Setanta wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 6:34pm:

What do 1920s cattle trucks look like? :-/

Setanta's bedroom.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28pm:

I tell nothing but the truth.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 8:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:28pm: I tell nothing but the truth. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Neither would anyone relying on verbal hand-me-downs.  Let's look at the Appin Massacre and the woman interviewed in that ABC story... her grandmother or great-grandmother was taken into custody in 1816 ... so the story goes..... like... errr... 200 years before .....  Now I don't know about you - but one of my grandmothers was born in 1884 - and I'm 75 - which makes us awful slow breeders.... she had my father in 1919, age 35.... I was born on his 30th birthday ... my son was born when I was 37 - we like to take our time about it.... so 200 years back is a lot more for young breeders than even great-grandmother....... so the story will have had a few twists over the years - being passed along verbally time after time...

So now - what?  She expects compensation for some 200 year ago relative being rescued in the middle of a fight during a punitive expedition after the cruel murders of sixteen settlers including women and children?  Who's going to compensate THEIR descendants for the generational trauma?

My grandfather was a runner for 2nd Btn AIF ... I'm not quite sure he and Hitler actually met in No Man's Land ... and passed on in peace... you know about these things...

Such truthtelling must often be taken with a grain of salt.... especially when it has become part of an orchestrated campaign for compensation money and other reparations .....

So do go ahead with your truth-telling - get it off your chest .. fire up all the leftist radicals to new heights of fury... give those idiots something to do ...  but FCS get on with your lives instead of whinging on a daily basis over old and distorted stories.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 6:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:28pm: Well - get it all of your chest and be healed... then move on FCS.  Present your versions of events and then let others do the same. Thing is - unlike youse lot - most people don't dwell on their ancestral issues - I'm part Jewish - hate no German alive, hold no grudge... I'm part Danish .. hold no grudge against anyone ... I'm part Scottish - hold no grudge against any Saucy Sassenach for stealing the land or any laird for enclosing it like youse bludgers want to ... I'm part Irish - hold no grudge against any English swine for the millions of people killed by their invasions one after another - my clan comes from Northern Ireland area, from the High Kings - when the Irish were driven off that land a million or more died' FFS get over it and get on with living in the modern world - it's not going to wait for you much longer. Get your say out - expect that it will NEVER be the whole story but only yours - STFU when others give their stories on the same subjects - and move TF on!!  In case you missed it, the people of this country are sick and tired of giving you 'compensation' for everything only to see you spit in their faces and demand more, and the country is entering a phase when it can no longer afford your luxury run without your active participation and honest attempt at self-improvement. I tell nothing but the truth.

So we can add "truth" to the list of words you're redefining.

What are we up to now, "The Voice", "Lawfare" and "truth".

All truthfully told - the proof is in the reality that you totally disagree.

BTW - I haven't defined any of those - merely pointed out what they are and the realities of their outcomes.  No definition has ever been offered.

Now get on with bringing out all the tall stories - get over it - and give everyone some peace while you work out how to get on with your own life and do better than you have so far.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2024 at 10:30am:

All truthfully told - the proof is in the reality that you totally disagree. BTW - I haven't defined any of those - merely pointed out what they are and the realities of their outcomes.  No definition has ever been offered. Now get on with bringing out all the tall stories - get over it - and give everyone some peace while you work out how to get on with your own life and do better than you have so far.

You mean give you some peace and stop calling out your lies and ruining your echo chamber?

We'll see.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 8:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:28pm: I tell nothing but the truth. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

 

it is entirely possible for grapplers truth and bwians truth to be completely at odds.

in a discussion about these sort of issues, there is no truth.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:30am: All truthfully told - the proof is in the reality that you totally disagree. BTW - I haven't defined any of those - merely pointed out what they are and the realities of their outcomes.  No definition has ever been offered. Now get on with bringing out all the tall stories - get over it - and give everyone some peace while you work out how to get on with your own life and do better than you have so far. You mean give you some peace and stop calling out your lies and ruining your echo chamber? We'll see.

I'm addressing the generality of Aboville - just get on with it - get over it - and get on with life in a positive way.  Why would I address that to you - you're paranoid.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2024 at 4:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 8:06pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:28pm: I tell nothing but the truth. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)   it is entirely possible for grapplers truth and bwians truth to be completely at odds. in a discussion about these sort of issues, there is no truth.

The subjugation of 'culture' and the history of war?

The facts can generally be ascertained, but the effect of those true events on the individual observer depends on the observer....


Graps and I mostly agree on the facts of the 'frontier wars', but we disagree strongly on the remedy for the ongoing trauma(measured by the gap); I say the state has a role to fix it, graps says 'get a life'......

Totally wrong, of course - the 'sovereignists' want to continue to enjoy all the privileges of being Australian, but they do not wish to be held to the same laws or the same conditions, the same rules of property ownership, the same handling in courts, the same controls over behaviour etc.

All of those thing taken together - the Sum of All Tears - equals Apartheid...  it is not segregation, wherein the rule is 'separate but equal' - it is Supremacism of the minority, special rights and privileges while still enjoying all the rights and privileges of the majority....  it is, all of these taken together ...... Apartheid ...... while essentially claiming diplomatic immunity.

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Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in.

And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away.

They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that.

But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective.

Be just like us or .....

It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know.

Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough.

No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain?

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable.

However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures.

'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:25am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am: all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence! It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable. However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures. 'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'.

Firstly, her comment is sensationalist and not entirely true. weren't you the one pimping for the diversity of First Nations people of Australia when it came to the Voice?

"How can they speak with one voice?', you proselytised.

I suppose the answer to that question is ... "when it suits me".


Moreover, how were women faring in Europe throughout that time period?

Questions, questions.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:25am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am: all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence! It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable. However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures. 'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'. Firstly, her comment is sensationalist and not entirely true. weren't you the one pimping for the diversity of First Nations people of Australia when it came to the Voice? "How can they speak with one voice?', you proselytised. I suppose the answer to that question is ... "when it suits me". Moreover, how were women faring in Europe throughout that time period? Questions, questions.

Price's comment was informed by her aunt's experience who was married off at 13 to an old man and after she attempted to escape, was caught and presumed murdered. So... sensationalist or a frank expression of facts close to her heart?

Of course there is no such thing as a monolithic aboriginal culture - hardly a revelation, given the hundreds of distinct aboriginal languages.

However, hunter-gatherer cultures have many common features with one another - gerontocratic and marriage on puberty being two common features.

Child marriage in Europe and Asia up until the 20th century was common - usually driven by poverty. and still exists in strict Islamic cultures. Child marriage within traditional aboriginal cultures in Australia still exists.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers.

Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:12am: Thanks, Captain Obvious. No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers. Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

Says he, introducing bitchy.

I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:17am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:12am: Thanks, Captain Obvious. No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers. Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers. I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures.

You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures.

Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:30am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:24am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:17am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:12am: Thanks, Captain Obvious. No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers. Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers. I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't? You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures. You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures. Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises.

No. i referred to your usage of Price's comments as sensationalist.

I'm pretty sure i explained that clearly. It really shouldn't have required further explanation.

In any event, a sample size of one is only a sample size of one. seems enough for you when it suits ... the converse being fiercely upheld when it doesn't.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:24am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:17am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:12am: Thanks, Captain Obvious. No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers. Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers. I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't? You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures. You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures. Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises. No. i referred to your usage of Price's comments as sensationalist. I'm pretty sure i explained that clearly. It really shouldn't have required further explanation. In any event, a sample size of one is only a sample size of one. seems enough for you when it suits ... the converse being fiercely upheld when it doesn't.

See, this i what I mean by your not being a deep thinker.

Your comment '[Price's] comment is sensationalist and not entirely true' does not refer to my use of Price's comment but to Price's comment itself.

Price spent her entire formative years immersed in the Aboriginal cultures of her region and has a wealth of knowledge and first-hand experience of them. She also commented on the common belief in witchcraft within these cultures.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:42am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:36am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:24am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:17am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:12am: Thanks, Captain Obvious. No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers. Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers. I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't? You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures. You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures. Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises. No. i referred to your usage of Price's comments as sensationalist. I'm pretty sure i explained that clearly. It really shouldn't have required further explanation. In any event, a sample size of one is only a sample size of one. seems enough for you when it suits ... the converse being fiercely upheld when it doesn't. See, this i what I mean by your not being a deep thinker. Your comment '[Price's] comment is sensationalist and not entirely true' does not refer to my use of Price's comment but to Price's comment itself. Price spent her entire formative years immersed in the Aboriginal cultures of her region and has a wealth of knowledge and first-hand experience of them. She also commented on the common belief in witchcraft within these cultures.

And still, a sample size of one.

Remember back when you speaking out against the Voice because one didn;t represent many?

Honestly, the lengths you have to go to in this place to make a simple point.

Inundated with old men with over-inflated egos who can't admit they're just wrong.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

And still, a sample size of one. Remember back when you speaking out against the Voice because one didn;t represent many?

I'd guarantee you that Price and her mother could expand on their personal experience with a family member. No senior Aboriginal person has refuted Price's comment - telling, don't you think?

Yes, the one Voice cannot speak for the many Aboriginal cultures.

That does not mean Price or anyone else cannot speak of cultural similarities among cultures.

The Voice intended to speak with one voice for (or be the final arbiter of) all Aboriginal cultures' issues - what was the pro-Voice plan for when Aboriginal cultures' expected outcomes conflicted with one another? 'mo money for all?

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

Honestly, the lengths you have to go to in this place to make a simple point. Inundated with old men with over-inflated egos who can't admit they're just wrong.

You're not capable of expressing your points and (I'd bet) haven't really thought about them. You appear to be addicted to socio-cultural outrage without needing a well-considered point.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:47am: And still, a sample size of one. Remember back when you speaking out against the Voice because one didn;t represent many? I'd guarantee you that Price and her mother could expand on their personal experience with a family member. No senior Aboriginal person has refuted Price's comment - telling, don't you think? Yes, the one Voice cannot speak for the many Aboriginal cultures. That does not mean Price or anyone else cannot speak of cultural similarities among cultures. The Voice intended to speak with one voice for (or be the final arbiter of) all Aboriginal cultures' issues - what was the pro-Voice plan for when Aboriginal cultures' expected outcomes conflicted with one another? 'mo money for all?

Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others.

The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue.

The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue.

Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 8:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:28pm: I tell nothing but the truth. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

That's more applicable to to you you gullible old cockwombling softcock Tsk, tsk, tsk...

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in. And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away. They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that. But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective. Be just like us or ..... It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know. Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence! It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough. No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain?

You shoot your whole bleeding heart leftoid post down when you refer to Aboriginal peoples as "First Nations".

They never were and never will be. That's an untruth.

And no one here responds with anymore vehemence than you do yourself.

Still consistently a hypocrite.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:09am:

Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others. The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue. The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue. Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

See! There you go again! Shallow thinking.

How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior.

If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture?

Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am: Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others. The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue. The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue. Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting. See! There you go again! Shallow thinking. How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior. If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture? Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities.

How indeed?

Look no further than European history.

Behold! We have arrived at square 1.

And at no point along the line has what i initially stated been successfully refuted.

it's really all just Ecky having another wank.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:25am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am: all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence! It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable. However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures. 'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'. Firstly, her comment is sensationalist and not entirely true. weren't you the one pimping for the diversity of First Nations people of Australia when it came to the Voice? "How can they speak with one voice?', you proselytised. I suppose the answer to that question is ... "when it suits me". Moreover, how were women faring in Europe throughout that time period? Questions, questions.

Most a darned site better than Aboriginal girls and women ..... who in many locations are still treated that way today just as Jacinta Price suggested.

Things just got better and better for European women .... take a look in the mirror for instance.  ;D

You can't say that for your sisters in the ME Islamic States though can you? And you don't.

What is sensationalist is the First Nations, Frontier Wars, Stolen Generations malarkey and the very "romanticising" of Aboriginal cultures that Meister has mentioned.

Gnads wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:19am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am: Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in. And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away. They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that. But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective. Be just like us or ..... It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know. Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence! It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough. No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain? You shoot your whole bleeding heart leftoid post down when you refer to Aboriginal peoples as "First Nations". They never were and never will be. That's an untruth. And no one here responds with anymore vehemence than you do yourself. Still consistently a hypocrite.

How does it feel to be so consistently on the wrong side of history?

Does Sky "news" make it all better?

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

Honestly, the lengths you have to go to in this place to make a simple point. Inundated with old men with over-inflated egos who can't admit they're just wrong.

Feel free ....  ::)

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:21am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am: Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others. The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue. The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue. Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting. See! There you go again! Shallow thinking. How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior. If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture? Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities. How indeed? Look no further than European history. Behold! We have arrived at square 1. And at no point along the line has what i initially stated been successfully refuted. it's really all just Ecky having another wank.

It is the evolving of European culture, expressed through enforced law, that is expunging child marriage within Aboriginal communities.

If you accept Price's reference (to the likelihood she would have been married off at 13 to an old Aboriginal man under traditional Aboriginal law) has not been disputed, then you are accepting that it would have been a likely outcome and not just a one-off story.

You need to understand that you are not currently capable of expressing a cogent argument. What you are expressing is unthinking, vicarious outrage.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:29am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:19am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am: Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in. And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away. They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that. But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective. Be just like us or ..... It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know. Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence! It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough. No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain? You shoot your whole bleeding heart leftoid post down when you refer to Aboriginal peoples as "First Nations". They never were and never will be. That's an untruth. And no one here responds with anymore vehemence than you do yourself. Still consistently a hypocrite. How does it feel to be so consistently on the wrong side of history? Does Sky "news" make it all better?

;D that you have to label everything said opposing your hypocritical and fanciful views as coming from Sky News proves how gullible and shallow you really are.

Re-writing history and believing it as gospel to suit the demonising of non-Aboriginals and painting Aboriginals as perpetual victims is typical patronising from your ilk.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:28am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:21am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am: Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others. The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue. The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue. Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting. See! There you go again! Shallow thinking. How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior. If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture? Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities. How indeed? Look no further than European history. Behold! We have arrived at square 1. And at no point along the line has what i initially stated been successfully refuted. it's really all just Ecky having another wank. It is the evolving of European culture, expressed through enforced law, that is expunging child marriage within Aboriginal communities. If you accept Price's reference (to the likelihood she would have been married off at 13 to an old Aboriginal man under traditional Aboriginal law) has not been disputed, then you are accepting that it would have been a likely outcome and not just a one-off story. You need to understand that you are not currently capable of expressing a cogent argument. What you are expressing is unthinking, vicarious outrage.

Yet all i have done is hole you to your own standard.

What then, this does this say of you?

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

Quote: You need to understand that you are not currently capable of expressing a cogent argument. What you are expressing is unthinking, vicarious outrage. Yet all i have done is hole you to your own standard. What then, this does this say of you?

A standard that I don't deny.

Prce's reference to her likely outcome, were she brought up within a traditional Aboriginal culture, is not evidence that Aboriginal traditions are monocultural - it is evidence that they have some commonalities, such as child marriage to old men.

This is a common feature among all extant hunter-gatherer cultures for an obvious (Darwinian) reason and not a reference to rampant pedophilic culture.

For a man to live into his 50s within these cultures is evidence of good survival genes in extremely hostile environments. A girl/woman is fertile and capable of bearing children and surviving childbirth is at its greatest between puberty and, probably 35 at the latest. Hence the earlier she gives birth to a child born of a genetically strong survivor, the greater the chance the clan/tribe will thrive within the harsh environment.

Fragile, fragile ego.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Fragile, fragile ego.

That would be from your knee-jerk reactionism or, trait (volatile) neuroticism.

Vicarious outrage is the coward's way of expressing their inner anger at their own life.

In your case, it's made worse without a mind capable of expressing a coherent and cogent argument.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 10:47am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:23am: Fragile, fragile ego. That would be from your knee-jerk reactionism or, trait (volatile) neuroticism. Vicarious outrage is the coward's way of expressing their inner anger at their own life. In your case, it's made worse without a mind capable of expressing a coherent and cogent argument.

Yet i snookered you ... and now you're having a little hissy fit about it.

Just like you always do.

Let's have the whole t4uth.
How abbos murder their own far more than whites ever have or could.
How abbos rape and beat their children at a higher rate than any other demographic anywhere on earth.
How abbos are inherently lazy and greedy.
How abbos murdered the previous race.
And more importantly.
HOW WHITEVABBOS ARE LAZY USELESS DEADBEATS LOOKING FORVA FREE FEED.

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mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:47am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:23am: Fragile, fragile ego. That would be from your knee-jerk reactionism or, trait (volatile) neuroticism. Vicarious outrage is the coward's way of expressing their inner anger at their own life. In your case, it's made worse without a mind capable of expressing a coherent and cogent argument. Yet i snookered you ... and now you're having a little hissy fit about it. Just like you always do.

You have no capability of snookering even a pocket billiard player let alone someone in a real intellectual exchange.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

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says the old tired under the cassock basher.

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:47am: mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:23am: Fragile, fragile ego. That would be from your knee-jerk reactionism or, trait (volatile) neuroticism. Vicarious outrage is the coward's way of expressing their inner anger at their own life. In your case, it's made worse without a mind capable of expressing a coherent and cogent argument. Yet i snookered you ... and now you're having a little hissy fit about it. Just like you always do.

Not sure what snooker means to you... Your posts show you are not arguing the point of truth-telling, you're simply venting vicarious outrage.

Truth-telling is not a one-way street.

This is an issue that Noel Pearson has so much trouble with.

He is verbose in his criticism of wrongs done to Aboriginal peoples - and he is right about that - but decries truth-telling in the reverse as 'punching down on the black fella' - particularly in reference to Price's comments.

It's noteworthy that Pearson doesn't deny that Price has a point - just that she shouldn't make it.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

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Ironic that you expend so much effort on showing your apathy.

Comment of the Week:-

"It's noteworthy that Pearson doesn't deny that Price has a point - just that she shouldn't make it. "

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2024 at 10:58pm:

Totally wrong, of course - the 'sovereignists' want to continue to enjoy all the privileges of being Australian, but they do not wish to be held to the same laws or the same conditions, the same rules of property ownership, the same handling in courts, the same controls over behaviour etc.

As usual you keep bleating about equality before the law, while blaming entrenched poverty on its victims.

Even Albo can't work out why he will be lucky to achieve minority government after the next election:  a third of the electorate who voted for him last time are now being crushed by cost of living and homelessness crises.

So much for 'equality before the law', regardless of delusions about 'sovereignty'.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:58pm: Totally wrong, of course - the 'sovereignists' want to continue to enjoy all the privileges of being Australian, but they do not wish to be held to the same laws or the same conditions, the same rules of property ownership, the same handling in courts, the same controls over behaviour etc. As usual you keep standing for equality before the law.

You're as easy as Skanka.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2024 at 5:12pm:

Cherbourg mayor says Queensland's Truth Telling and Healing Inquiry chance to 'hear our truth' as David Crisafulli vows to scrap it, if elected >:(

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 10:20am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:58pm: Totally wrong, of course - the 'sovereignists' want to continue to enjoy all the privileges of being Australian, but they do not wish to be held to the same laws or the same conditions, the same rules of property ownership, the same handling in courts, the same controls over behaviour etc. As usual you keep standing for equality before the law. You're as easy as Skanka.

Says the man? who has to change reality, literally in this case, to claim a win.

You must be so proud.

Ah - so now your claim is that there are not already special 'courts' in the NT, wherein an Aboriginal and only an Aboriginal, can have a case handled by a State magistrate and two 'elders' on the bench beside him/her, and that different outcomes are available with different punishments for proven wrongdoing? 

That in the NT particularly the police will not rush to attend any black on black issue for the simple reason that they are sick of being accused of wrongdoing no matter what they do - and that emotional wailing about 'their poor boy' somehow justifies his assaulting them with a knife or something??

So you feel that stealing cars and ramming around town and such is a form of right in order to compensate for the disadvantage these people 'suffer' - a 'disadvantage' far superior to their living conditions pre-1788 - and should not be punished as severely?

You are now claiming that every citizen of Queensland can make a claim for freehold land without paying for it - size and position undefined - on the basis that their possible ancestors may have walked on it at some time, and that will be given every consideration and more than likely just handed over?

You are so easy ..... haven't learned a thing since day before yesterday, have you?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 10:20am: [quote author=The_Grappler link=1729581149/14#14 date=1729688297]Totally wrong, of course - the 'sovereignists' want to continue to enjoy all the privileges of being Australian, but they do not wish to be held to the same laws or the same conditions, the same rules of property ownership, the same handling in courts, the same controls over behaviour etc. As usual you keep standing for equality before the law.

I said As usual you keep bleating about equality before the law, while blaming entrenched poverty on its victims.

I say there is no 'equality before the law', eg, "same rules of property ownership", when many are priced out of property ownership, and even forced into homelessness,  as at present in Oz. 

You now claim - enigmatically, without analysis - I am "standing for the law". 

No;  I'm standing for the UN UDHR. 

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 25th, 2024 at 10:20am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:58pm: Totally wrong, of course - the 'sovereignists' want to continue to enjoy all the privileges of being Australian, but they do not wish to be held to the same laws or the same conditions, the same rules of property ownership, the same handling in courts, the same controls over behaviour etc. As usual you keep standing for equality before the law. You're as easy as Skanka.

And you're as deceptive as the most ideologically-blind  political hack anywhere, as examined in my previous post. 

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

Ah - so now your claim is that there are not already special 'courts' in the NT, wherein an Aboriginal and only an Aboriginal, can have a case handled by a State magistrate and two 'elders' on the bench beside him/her, and that different outcomes are available with different punishments for proven wrongdoing?

Speaking for myself: I'm not denying that, but obviously 
laws, eg, anti drinking in public laws,  are going to much more badly affect dysfunctional (poverty-stricken)  blacks who are drinking themselves into oblivion in public parks.



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That in the NT particularly the police will not rush to attend any black on black issue for the simple reason that they are sick of being accused of wrongdoing no matter what they do - and that emotional wailing about 'their poor boy' somehow justifies his assaulting them with a knife or something??

Correct: the entire legal system (the "equality before the law" mob) is complicit in high black-crime stats because they acquiesce in the entrenched systemic poverty which is reponsible for chronic black crime.


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You are so easy ..... haven't learned a thing since day before yesterday, have you?

Certainly poor Thorpey hasn't learned treaties with indigenous peoples are a waste of time  (because they aren't based on principles delineated in the UNUDHR): the Maoris (and Canadian natives)  know it well - many are still subject to socio-economic disadvantage despite the treaties.   

Well - force 'em into a job they don't want and see how they go.  Why would they want to work when they can just claim Maryborough or Roma freehold without paying a cent and then charge the Invaders rent on their own homes and businesses and farms etc? I dread to think what currency their rent payments would be made in .... what a totally insane idea.

Not one iota of truth telling in that idea, and certainly no healing.  Lying with one side of face while pretending with the other to be sweet and nice and play the victim who only wants reconciliation with the other...

Black Man speak with forked tongue....speak from both side of mouth at same time.... they make many promises, but they only ever keep the one - they promise to try to steal our land and homes and all businesses and infrastructure using lawfare and force us to pay rent - and they are keeping that promise.

Now their pet government in the Deep North is gone.......  better that way than Judgement Day when they try on taking people's everything worked and bought and paid for the old Blackfullah Imperial Way of invading and killing and taking all.

Queenslanders!  Secede from Brisdrain NOW - beat the rush!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2024 at 11:00pm:

Well - force 'em into a job they don't want and see how they go.

No; eliminate welfare, and offer people jobs commensurate with their abilities.

See how blind your 'personal responsibility' ideology  makes you?

At least Crisafulli, with his "adult crime, adult time" youth crime-fighting meme, added:

"we will retrain the kids and give them a chance to become good citizens". 


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Why would they want to work ......

People want to work, unless they are demoralized by chronic welfare dpendency and poverty.


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when they can just claim Maryborough or Roma freehold without paying a cent and then charge the Invaders rent on their own homes and businesses and farms etc? I dread to think what currency their rent payments would be made in .... what a totally insane idea.

See how your blind 'personal responsibility' meme turns entrenched poverty into a nonsense narrative about living off rent.

I haven't seen you post a single workable solution yet - just empty rhetoric straight out of the books - it's not me that's blinded by ideology and a host of empty words.

I see things clearly.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

I haven't seen you post a single workable solution yet - just empty rhetoric straight out of the books - it's not me that's blinded by ideology and a host of empty words. I see things clearly.

You accuse people of not wanting to work, proving your ability to "see things clearly" is fatally compromised.

Note: local government can create a list of jobs which the local community wants done, to ensure full employment at the local level. 

The real problem is the small government, balanced budget mythology crippling our economy.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:32pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:01pm: I haven't seen you post a single workable solution yet - just empty rhetoric straight out of the books - it's not me that's blinded by ideology and a host of empty words. I see things clearly. You accuse people of not wanting to work, proving your ability to "see things clearly" is fatally compromised. Note: local government can create a list of jobs which the local community wants done, to ensure full employment at the local level.  The real problem is the small government, balanced budget mythology crippling our economy.

The local community may want a list of jobs done ... but they don't want to do them.

Most budgets applicable to Aboriginal communities come from federal funding so not small govt .....

and in most cases there are no budget constraints.... that's the problem.

$36 billion plus is not small govt nor a small budget.

You tell us where all the money goes and you might get a hearing ....

in the meantime you're all waffle, waffle, waffle.

Gnads wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:01pm: I haven't seen you post a single workable solution yet - just empty rhetoric straight out of the books - it's not me that's blinded by ideology and a host of empty words. I see things clearly. You accuse people of not wanting to work, proving your ability to "see things clearly" is fatally compromised. Note: local government can create a list of jobs which the local community wants done, to ensure full employment at the local level.  The real problem is the small government, balanced budget mythology crippling our economy. The local community may want a list of jobs done ... but they don't want to do them.

Just asserting people don't want to work is not sustainable as a policy.


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Most budgets applicable to Aboriginal communities come from federal funding so not small govt

The poverty industry exists BECAUSE of small government ideology (but actually ends up wasting money in "correction" and (ill)-health industries.


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and in most cases there are no budget constraints.... that's the problem. $36 billion plus is not small govt nor a small budget.

1. It's <2% of Oz gdp.

2. For  a currency-issuing government,  the real "budget" constraint is available resources, not money and budgets as is the case with you and me (who are currency users)   


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You tell us where all the money goes and you might get a hearing ....

Some of it is wasted on the poverty industry, some on tax breaks for multi nationals, fossil fuel companies,  and wealthy individuals...


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in the meantime you're all waffle, waffle, waffle.

No - I just spelled it out, above, and in previous posts.... reasoned argument, not waffle.

Well - to tell you the truth ...........................................................................