Airbus Albo is done for. What little trust there was has evaporated, especially since his multi-million dollar property purchase on the NSW central coast came to light recently. Talk about tone-deaf! Now this scandal around his acceptance of and requesting of perks from Qantas as Transport Minister. You can't accept/request upgrades and other perks from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce while serving the Rudd-Gillard government as Minister for Transport without doing fatal damage to your integrity (if he ever had any). It's as simple as that. He really is a moron (as is anyone who comes to his defence) if he can't see the absolute wrong in what he has done and is attempting to defend. Should he resign? Should he go to the Governor-General and call an early election and let people decide? I think yes on both counts.

Poll added.

He should refer himself and assist in the inquiry.

His position is tainted otherwise.

If his done nothing wrong he has nothing to hide.

Unfortunately after reading this-

“In short:
The National Anti-Corruption Commission will reconsider whether to investigate six people referred to it by the Robodebt royal commission.
An investigation found the NACC commissioner should have removed himself entirely from decision-making after declaring he knew one of the people, but failed to do so.”
“Abc
I’m concerned our NACC is corrupt!

Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:40am:

Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt??? :-? :-? :-?

The issue for mi is if he “ requested” the upgrades rather than them being “ offered “.

Say he was the treasurer and asked the reserve bank for a four million interest free loan.

Would that be ok so long as he declares it?

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:40am:

Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt??? :-? :-? :-?

There's allegations in an upcoming book that Airbus Albo requested upgrades, that he wasn't only offered them, while he was Minister for Transport. Nothing confected about being outraged by that. It also calls into question his close relationship to Alan Joyce and his governments' decision while he is Prime Minister not to grant additional access to Qantas rival Qatar Airways to Australia with additional flights. While he has declared his upgrades, he has so far refused to answer numerous questions on whether he asked for any of those upgrades while he was Minister of Transport.

The other issue is who tipped off Alan Joyce about the  upcoming airline senate inquiry and allowed him to resign and flee to Ireland before he could be questioned?

Albo?!?

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:44am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:40am: Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt??? :-? :-? :-? The issue for mi is if he “ requested” the upgrades rather than them being “ offered “. Say he was the treasurer and asked the reserve bank for a four million interest free loan. Would that be ok so long as he declares it?

As I said....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt....Apparently the practice is not illegal....Why would you not investigate everyone considering the details are scetchy on many of these upgrades....Peter Dutton accepted travel from Gina which he declared but is it okay for Politicians to accept upgrades from big business....Why should any investigation only involve Albanese???

:-? :-? :-?

Reply to below, I don’t believe accepting an upgrade is really a issue. I have before.

It’s usually at the whim of aircraft staff  on boarding ( in my case I was a walking wounded following poor wave choice in Tahiti), the difference is I wasn’t minister in charge of transport nor did I ring the CEO of air NZ and request it.

Accepting a upgrade isn’t really a thing. It happens.
Requesting one is!

“Qantas has normalised the acceptance of favours at a time when distrust in politicians is so low. Why didn’t the PM simply avoid the conflict by saying “no, thanks”?”

“ smh

How can he possibly say no thanks if he personally rang the CEO and asked for it?

 

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:55am:

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:40am: Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt??? :-? :-? :-? The issue for mi is if he “ requested” the upgrades rather than them being “ offered “. Say he was the treasurer and asked the reserve bank for a four million interest free loan. Would that be ok so long as he declares it? As I said....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt....Apparently the practice is not illegal....Why would you not investigate everyone considering the details are scetchy on many of these upgrades....Peter Dutton accepted travel from Gina which he declared but is it okay for Politicians to accept upgrades from big business....Why should any investigation only involve Albanese??? :-? :-? :-?

Don't you think it's different when the Minister for Health accepts an upgrade from Qantas, compared to the Minister for Transport? Granted, he (Airbus Albo) hasn't accepted any upgrades since becoming PM - that we know of - but given his apparently close relationship with Alan Joyce, one can rightly question his governments' decision not to grant Qantas' rival Qatar Airways additional flights access to Australia. Did he get asked to do that by Joyce? Did he do it for Joyce as a favour, or quid pro quo? These are fair questions given Albo's attempts to dodge questions over whether he went further from just accepting upgrades to actually requesting them.

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

Reply to below, I don’t believe accepting an upgrade is really a issue. I have before. It’s usually at the whim of aircraft staff  on boarding ( in my case I was a walking wounded following poor wave choice in Tahiti), the difference is I wasn’t minister in charge of transport nor did I ring the CEO of air NZ and request it. Accepting a upgrade isn’t ready a thing. Requesting one is! “Qantas has normalised the acceptance of favours at a time when distrust in politicians is so low. Why didn’t the PM simply avoid the conflict by saying “no, thanks”?” “ smh How can he possibly say no thanks if he personally rang the CEO and asked for it?

As far as I'm concerned, no MP or Senator should be accepting any preferential treatment from any business. In the case of Qantas and the invitation of MP's and Senators to the Chairmans Lounge upon being elected, I think that should be stopped immediately. It's not a good look when government Ministers are given special treatment by an airline over which one of them may have a portfolio conflict of interest, as is the case with Airbus Albo when he was Minister for Transport and now the Prime Minister with a close relationship with former CEO Alan Joyce.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:55am: Daves2017 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:40am: Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt??? :-? :-? :-? The issue for mi is if he “ requested” the upgrades rather than them being “ offered “. Say he was the treasurer and asked the reserve bank for a four million interest free loan. Would that be ok so long as he declares it? As I said....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt....Apparently the practice is not illegal....Why would you not investigate everyone considering the details are scetchy on many of these upgrades....Peter Dutton accepted travel from Gina which he declared but is it okay for Politicians to accept upgrades from big business....Why should any investigation only involve Albanese??? :-? :-? :-? Don't you think it's different when the Minister for Health accepts an upgrade from Qantas, compared to the Minister for Transport? Granted, he (Airbus Albo) hasn't accepted any upgrades since becoming PM - that we know of - but given his apparently close relationship with Alan Joyce, one can rightly question his governments' decision not to grant Qantas' rival Qatar Airways additional flights access to Australia. Did he get asked to do that by Joyce? Did he do it for Joyce as a favour, or quid pro quo? These are fair questions given Albo's attempts to dodge questions over whether he went further from just accepting upgrades to actually requesting them.

How do we know the circumstances of other politicians who have accepted or requested upgrades from big business....You see no problem with Peter Dutton accepting free travel from Gina???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 12:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:55am: Daves2017 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 11:40am: Albanese declared his travel like all other MP's who have accepted upgrades....There is no allegations Albanese did anything wrong apart from bad optics and confected outrage from right wing pundits....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt??? :-? :-? :-? The issue for mi is if he “ requested” the upgrades rather than them being “ offered “. Say he was the treasurer and asked the reserve bank for a four million interest free loan. Would that be ok so long as he declares it? As I said....I would accept all politicians who have accepted upgrades from big business to be investigated if the practice is corrupt....Apparently the practice is not illegal....Why would you not investigate everyone considering the details are scetchy on many of these upgrades....Peter Dutton accepted travel from Gina which he declared but is it okay for Politicians to accept upgrades from big business....Why should any investigation only involve Albanese??? :-? :-? :-? Don't you think it's different when the Minister for Health accepts an upgrade from Qantas, compared to the Minister for Transport? Granted, he (Airbus Albo) hasn't accepted any upgrades since becoming PM - that we know of - but given his apparently close relationship with Alan Joyce, one can rightly question his governments' decision not to grant Qantas' rival Qatar Airways additional flights access to Australia. Did he get asked to do that by Joyce? Did he do it for Joyce as a favour, or quid pro quo? These are fair questions given Albo's attempts to dodge questions over whether he went further from just accepting upgrades to actually requesting them. How do we know the circumstances of other politicians who have accepted or requested upgrades from big business....You see no problem with Peter Dutton accepting free travel from Gina??? :-? :-? :-?

I believe no MP or Senator or Minister should be accepting things like that. But, and here's the kicker, the difference is he wasn't a government Minister when he did that.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

[quote author=Daves2017 link=1730251951/8#8 date=1730253940] As far as I'm concerned, no MP or Senator should be accepting any preferential treatment from any business.

Totally agree but think its unrealistic.
Politicians are pigs too a troth and any and every business will feed them-

“Tasmanian Senator Jacqui Lambie has reportedly been banned from using all Qantas services for six months, after abusing staff members at Melbourne Airport in March.

Key points:

Ms Lambie blamed a "long few weeks up in Parliament" for her outburst
She apologised and said she "blew my top at a Qantas worker who didn't deserve it"
Qantas has reportedly banned her for six months
Nine newspapers had reported Senator Lambie reacted badly to being told by airline staff she was unable to access the Chairman's Lounge.

Nine reported that after negotiations with Senator Lambie, the airline suspended her for six months from early April.”

“ abc

Why does any business give away freebies to politicians?

Is it a bribe?

Has anyone asked them that?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

Why does any business give away freebies to politicians? Is it a bribe? Has anyone asked them that?

Certainly as the Minister for Transport, whose portfolio includes aviation, Airbus Albo should not have been accepting gifts of any kind from Qantas. He definitely shouldn't have been asking for them, if the claims made in this book are true!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 12:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 12:28pm: Why does any business give away freebies to politicians? Is it a bribe? Has anyone asked them that? Certainly as the Minister for Transport, whose portfolio includes aviation, Airbus Albo should not have been accepting gifts of any kind from Qantas. He definitely shouldn't have been asking for them, if the claims made in this book are true!

But it's also a crime to bribe a politician.
No one ever gets charged.

The guys at the top make their own laws for themselves.

It's not just one or two or a few requests from Airbus Albo. The allegation is that he nearly two dozen requests to Alan Joyce for upgrades...

https://youtu.be/Jd3BbI0J6HQ?si=Blun7F5y0_2XSw0U

Such concocted outrage from the rabid right  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm betting that as is typical of what happens when the retarded right starts waving their skirts around in hysterics, this will come back and bite the libs in the arse as evidence comes out of libtards doing the same .


I'm betting  armchair will go very quite if that happens.

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

Such concocted outrage from the rabid right  ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm betting that as is typical of what happens when the retarded right starts waving their skirts around in hysterics, this will come back and bite the libs in the arse as evidence comes out of libtards doing the same . I'm betting  armchair will go very quite if that happens.

OK so if they're all crooks why doesn't the Governor General sack them?

really struggle to care about this

wish someone would cut immigration instead

Maybe that's why he bought the house. You know the one that is too far to commute to Canberra from. The one that would let him claim housing expense in Canberra, or retire to. ;)

… and the plot thickens!

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/revealed-how-anthony-albanese-his-son-and-his-fiance-all-became-members-of-the-qantas-chairmans-club/news-story/16bb0b96ce6a5970a436b9e82e2a6596

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 1:29pm: Such concocted outrage from the rabid right  ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm betting that as is typical of what happens when the retarded right starts waving their skirts around in hysterics, this will come back and bite the libs in the arse as evidence comes out of libtards doing the same . I'm betting  armchair will go very quite if that happens. OK so if they're all crooks why doesn't the Governor General sack them?

Because they can’t. The Governor-General can only act on the advice of the government.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Airbus Albo is done for.

Not because he is 'tone death' (which he is), but because he (like you)  doesn't understand the current economic system which forces government 'austerity' onto  all governments regardless of L-R political persuasion.

That's why Trump is a having a red-hot go at  disrupting the mainstream Dem-Repub  'unity ticket' ...but the MAGA method won't do the trick without harming much of the world.      

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:22pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 1:29pm: Such concocted outrage from the rabid right  ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm betting that as is typical of what happens when the retarded right starts waving their skirts around in hysterics, this will come back and bite the libs in the arse as evidence comes out of libtards doing the same . I'm betting  armchair will go very quite if that happens. OK so if they're all crooks why doesn't the Governor General sack them? Because they can’t. The Governor-General can only act on the advice of the government.

That's not true -  Kerr sacked Whitlam.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:40pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:22pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 1:29pm: Such concocted outrage from the rabid right  ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm betting that as is typical of what happens when the retarded right starts waving their skirts around in hysterics, this will come back and bite the libs in the arse as evidence comes out of libtards doing the same . I'm betting  armchair will go very quite if that happens. OK so if they're all crooks why doesn't the Governor General sack them? Because they can’t. The Governor-General can only act on the advice of the government. That's not true -  Kerr sacked Whitlam.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Wasn't it the Opposition that asked the G-G to step in and ultimately led to Whitlam being dismissed? Was before my time.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

… and the plot thickens! https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/revealed-how-anthony-albanese-his-son-and-his-fiance-all-became-members-of-the-qantas-chairmans-club/news-story/16bb0b96ce6a5970a436b9e82e2a6596

So it was an unsolicited offer by Quantas

Way to shoot yourself in the foot :D :D :D

GG dismissal was about blocking money supply. Albo has no blockage, the good times roll for him and Qantas upgrade is not even at Robodebt level of rot.

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:25pm: … and the plot thickens! https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/revealed-how-anthony-albanese-his-son-and-his-fiance-all-became-members-of-the-qantas-chairmans-club/news-story/16bb0b96ce6a5970a436b9e82e2a6596 So it was an unsolicited offer by Quantas Way to shoot yourself in the foot :D :D :D

Gawd, you really don't get it, do you?  :-?

chimera wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:54pm:

GG dismissal was about blocking money supply. Albo has no blockage, the good times roll for him and Qantas upgrade is not even at Robodebt level of rot.

Might not be about blocking supply, but this is looking like a clear case of corruption by Airbus Albo as Transport Minister at the time and possibly also as Prime Minster if he influenced the current Transport Minister to block Qatar Airways as a favour to his good buddy Alan Joyce! If this is what has happened, he needs to resign forthwith and call an election!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 4:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:25pm: … and the plot thickens! https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/revealed-how-anthony-albanese-his-son-and-his-fiance-all-became-members-of-the-qantas-chairmans-club/news-story/16bb0b96ce6a5970a436b9e82e2a6596 So it was an unsolicited offer by Quantas Way to shoot yourself in the foot :D :D :D Gawd, you really don't get it, do you?  :-?

Neither do you.

"It's the (dysfunctional) economy,  stupid".

Enjoy your blind leading the blind L-R ideological disputes. 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 4:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:25pm: … and the plot thickens! https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/revealed-how-anthony-albanese-his-son-and-his-fiance-all-became-members-of-the-qantas-chairmans-club/news-story/16bb0b96ce6a5970a436b9e82e2a6596 So it was an unsolicited offer by Quantas Way to shoot yourself in the foot :D :D :D Gawd, you really don't get it, do you?  :-?

Everyone gets your concocted outrage

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 4:57pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 4:50pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:25pm: … and the plot thickens! https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/revealed-how-anthony-albanese-his-son-and-his-fiance-all-became-members-of-the-qantas-chairmans-club/news-story/16bb0b96ce6a5970a436b9e82e2a6596 So it was an unsolicited offer by Quantas Way to shoot yourself in the foot :D :D :D Gawd, you really don't get it, do you?  :-? Everyone gets your concocted outrage

Okay, I’ll spell it out for you since you clearly can’t see past the end of your nose. Airbus Albo appears to have been given and also asked Joyce personally for upgrades prior to him becoming Minister for Transport, while he was Minister and in addition to that, as Prime Minister he appears to possibly have done a favour for his good mate Alan Joyce by influencing his own Minister for Transport to block Qatar Airways (a Qantas rival) from accessing extra slots for flights into Australia, thus reducing competition that would almost certainly have lead to reduced airfares for Australians but also would’ve hurt Qantas’ profits. If you really can’t see what Airbus Albo has done wrong, there is no hope for you.

“ Albanese’s office did not elaborate on whether the statement included emails or texts.”

“ smh

It’s like trying pull teeth out of a dragon!

Next we will be told - “I never had sex with the Qantas CEO”.

Stop mucking the Australian people around- refer yourself to your secret federal corruption body and be done.

Unless you have something to hide?

Anthony Albanese has broken his silence on the Qantas upgrade mess revealing an audit of his travel has confirmed he never directly called Qantas CEO Alan Joyce about upgrades for personal travel.

But crucially, the Prime Minister is not denying - as revealed by news.com.au - that he or his staff may have called Qantas’ government relations contacts or the Chairman’s Lounge “hotline” to book the flights with upgrades then offered by Qantas.

Instead, the Prime Minister is unequivocally denying for the first time that he ever personally liaised with Mr Joyce directly on the subject of upgrades for family holidays.

“The Prime Minister did not ever call Alan Joyce seeking an upgrade,’’ a spokesperson told news.com.au.

“All travel has been appropriately declared and is a matter of public record.”

https://www.news.com.au/travel/pm-denies-lobbying-qantas-ceo-directly-for-freebies-but-insiders-admit-there-may-have-been-a-hotline/news-story/9181e2b7deb81d846236cc0d3cc3714d


What the statement also does not say is whether he personally contacted someone at Qantas via e-mail or text message, or whether one of his staff acted as an intermediary on his behalf in requesting upgrades. He's trying to be clever, and failing.

Integrity ........................................................  what was that - give it to me slowly again ............................

i n t e g r i t y   ............ demands that Albo put himself to the scrutiny, win or lose, and that he accept the verdict... and that as of now he should instruct ALL party members and staff that the deal is off - on hold.

I'm not going to hang him alongside Joyce - Joyce can swing in the breeze all on his own for all I care - there must be a class action by injured employees and travelers that can chase his little arse around the world....

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:40pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 3:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 2:22pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2024 at 1:29pm: Such concocted outrage from the rabid right  ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm betting that as is typical of what happens when the retarded right starts waving their skirts around in hysterics, this will come back and bite the libs in the arse as evidence comes out of libtards doing the same . I'm betting  armchair will go very quite if that happens. OK so if they're all crooks why doesn't the Governor General sack them? Because they can’t. The Governor-General can only act on the advice of the government. That's not true -  Kerr sacked Whitlam. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Wasn't it the Opposition that asked the G-G to step in and ultimately led to Whitlam being dismissed? Was before my time.

Yeah - Fraser said he had the numbers to pass a budget.

Why does any business give away freebies to politicians?

Is it a bribe?

Has anyone asked them that?

Has anyone mentioned that Mr Potato Head was on the same deal ?

Ohh, so now Armpit is changing his story from Albo called, to his staff called.



I can't wait to see tomorrows version  ;D ;D ;D ;D