(The following text is taken from his speech at the Valdai Club forum) http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/75521



"During my address at last year’s Valdai Forum, I ventured to delineate six principles which, in our estimation, ought to underpin relations as we embark upon a new phase of historical progression. I am persuaded that the events which have unfolded and the passage of time have only corroborated the fairness and validity of the proposals we advanced. Let me expound upon these principles.


Firstly, openness to interaction stands as the paramount value cherished by the overwhelming majority of nations and peoples. The endeavour to construct artificial barriers is not only flawed because it impedes normal and advantageous to everyone economic progression, but also because it is particularly perilous amidst natural disasters and socio-political turmoil, which, unfortunately, are all too common in international affairs.

To illustrate, consider the scenario that unfolded last year following the devastating earthquake in Asia Minor. For purely political reasons, aid to the Syrian people was obstructed, resulting in certain regions bearing the brunt of the calamity. Such instances of self-serving, opportunistic interests thwarting the pursuit of the common good are not isolated.

The barrier-free environment I alluded to last year is indispensable not merely for economic prosperity but also for addressing acute humanitarian exigencies. Moreover, as we confront new challenges, including the ramifications of rapid technological advancements, it is imperative for humanity to consolidate intellectual efforts. It is telling that those who now stand as the principal adversaries of openness are the very individuals who, until recently, extolled its virtues with great fervour.

Presently, these same forces and individuals endeavour to wield restrictions as a tool of pressure against dissenters. This tactic will prove futile, for the same reason that the vast global majority champions openness devoid of politicisation."

"Secondly, we have consistently underscored the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability. It may appear paradoxical, as greater diversity complicates the construction of a unified narrative. Naturally, universal norms are presumed to aid in this regard. Can they fulfil this role? It stands to reason that this is a formidable and complicated task. Firstly, we must avoid a scenario where the model of one country or a relatively minute segment of humanity is presumed universal and imposed upon others. Secondly, it is untenable to adopt any conventional, albeit democratically developed code, and dictate it as an infallible truth to others in perpetuity.

The international community is a living entity, with its civilisational diversity making it unique and presenting an inherent value. International law is a product of agreements not even between countries, but between nations, because legal consciousness is an integral part of every unique culture and every civilisation. The crisis of international law, which is the subject of broad public discussion today, is, in a sense, a crisis of growth.

The rise of nations and cultures that have previously remained on the periphery of global politics for one reason or another means that their own distinct ideas of law and justice are playing an increasingly important role. They are diverse. This may give the impression of discord and perhaps cacophony, but this is only the initial phase. It is my deep conviction that the only new international system possible is one embracing polyphony, where many tones and many musical themes are sounded together to form harmony. If you like, we are moving towards a world system that is going to be polyphonic rather than polycentric, one in which all voices are heard and, most importantly, absolutely must be heard. Those who are used to soloing and want to keep it that way will have to get used to the new “scores” now.

Have I mentioned post-WWII international law? This international law is based on the UN Charter, which was written by the victorious countries. But the world is changing – with new centres of power emerging, and powerful economies growing and coming to the forefront. That predictably calls for a change in the legal regulation as well. Of course, this must be done carefully, but it is inevitable. Law reflects life, not vice versa."

"Thirdly, we have said more than once that the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion. The experience of the last couple of decades has clearly demonstrated what usurpation leads to, when someone arrogates to themselves the right to speak and act on behalf of others.

Those countries that are commonly referred to as great powers have come to believe that they are entitled to dictate to others what their interests are – in fact, to define others’ national interests based on their own. Not only does this violate the principles of democracy and justice, but worst of all, it hinders an actual solution to the problems at hand.

In its very diversity, the emerging world is bound to be anything but simple. The more fully-fledged participants involved in this process, the more challenging it becomes to identify an optimal solution that satisfies all parties. Yet, once such a solution is achieved, there is hope that it will be both sustainable and enduring. This, in turn, allows us to dispense with arrogance and impulsive flip-flop policies, instead fostering political processes that are both meaningful and rational, guided by the principle of reasonable adequacy. By and large, this principle is spelled out in the UN Charter and within the Security Council.

What is the right of veto? What purpose does it serve? It exists to prevent the adoption of decisions that do not suit players on the international stage. Is this beneficial or detrimental? It may be perceived as detrimental by some, as it allows one party to obstruct decision-making. However, it is beneficial in that it prevents the passage of decisions that are unacceptable to certain parties. What does this imply? What does this stipulation signify? It urges us to enter the negotiating chamber and reach consensus. That is its essence.

As the world transitions to a multipolar reality, we must develop mechanisms to broaden the application of such principles. In each instance, decisions must not only be collective but must also involve those participants capable of making a meaningful and significant contribution to resolving the issues at hand. These are primarily the actors with a vested interest in finding a positive resolution, as their future security – and, consequently, their prosperity – depends on it.

There are countless examples where complex yet solvable contradictions between neighbouring countries and peoples have escalated into intractable, endemic conflicts due to the manoeuvrings and blatant interference of external forces, who are, in essence, indifferent to the fate of the conflict participants, regardless of the bloodshed or casualties inflicted. Those who intervene externally do so purely out of self-interest, without bearing any responsibility.

Moreover, I believe that regional organisations will assume a significant role in the future, as neighbouring nations, irrespective of the complexity of their relations, are invariably united by a shared interest in stability and security. For them, compromises are indispensable to achieving optimal conditions for their own development."

"Next, [fourthly] the key principle of security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security. I am not saying anything new. It has been set out in OSCE documents. We only need to implement them.

The bloc policy and the legacy of the Cold War colonial era run contrary to the essence of the new international system, which is open and flexible. There is only one bloc in the world that is held together by the so-called obligations and strict ideological dogmas and cliches. It is the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which continues expansion to Eastern Europe and is now trying to spread its approaches to other parts of the world, contrary to its own statutory documents. It is an open anachronism.

We talked on many occasions about the destructive role NATO continued to play, especially after the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Treaty Organisation, when it seemed that the alliance had lost its formally declared reason and the meaning of its existence. I believe that the United States recognised that this instrument was becoming unattractive and redundant, but it needed the bloc and still needs it to exercise command in the zone of its influence. That is why they need conflicts.

You know, even before the modern-day acute conflicts began, many European leaders told me: “Why are they trying to scare us with you? We are not frightened, and we do not see any threats.” This is an exact quote, do you see? I believe that the United States was aware of or sensed this as well, and regarded NATO as an organisation of secondary importance. Trust me, I know what I am speaking about. However, experts there knew that they needed NATO. How could they maintain its value and attraction? They needed to scare everyone and to divide Russia and Europe, especially Russia and Germany and France, by means of conflicts. This is why they pushed the situation towards a state coup in Ukraine and hostilities in its southeastern regions, in Donbass. They simply forced us to respond, and in this sense, they have attained their goal. As I see it, the same is taking place in Asia and on the Korean Peninsula now.

Actually, we see that the global minority is preserving and strengthening its military bloc in order to maintain its power. However, even the bloc countries themselves see and understand that the Big Brother’s harsh dictate does not help achieve the goals they are facing. Moreover, these aspirations run contrary to the interests of the rest of the world. Cooperating with countries that can benefit you and developing partner ties with those who are interested in this is a clear priority for the majority of countries worldwide.

It is obvious that military-political and ideological blocs are yet another form of obstacles created to hinder a natural development of a multipolar international system. I would like to point out that the notion of a zero-sum game, where only one side wins and all the others lose in the end, is a Western political creation. During the period of Western domination, this approach was imposed on everyone as a universal approach, but it is far from being universal and not always effective.

Eastern philosophy, as many here are deeply familiar with – perhaps even more so than I am – takes a fundamentally different approach. It seeks harmony of interests, aiming for everyone to achieve their essential goals without compromising the interests of others, the principle of “I win, and you win too.” All the ethnicities of Russia, throughout history, whenever possible, have similarly emphasised that the priority is not to impose one’s views at any cost, but rather to persuade and to foster genuine partnership and equal cooperation.

Our history, including the history of our national diplomacy, has repeatedly demonstrated the values of honour, nobility, peacemaking, and leniency. One needs only to recall Russia’s role in shaping the order in Europe after the Napoleonic wars. I am aware that some people there interpret this, to a certain extent, as an effort to preserve monarchy, and so on. But that is not the point now. Rather, I am referring to the broader approach taken in addressing these challenges.
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fourthly - continuation

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The emerging community within the BRICS framework serves as a prototype for new, free, and non-block relationships between states and peoples. This also highlights that even some NATO members, as you know, are interested in closer cooperation with BRICS. It is likely that other countries may also consider deeper collaboration with BRICS in the future.

This year, our country held the chairmanship of the group, culminating in a recent summit in Kazan. I cannot deny that building a unified approach among many countries, each with distinct interests, is a challenging task. Diplomats and government officials had to invest considerable effort, employ tact, and actively practice listening to one another to reach the desired outcome. This required significant dedication, but it fostered a unique spirit of cooperation grounded not in coercion, but in mutual understanding.

We are confident that BRICS serves as a strong example of genuinely constructive cooperation in today’s evolving international landscape. Additionally, BRICS platforms – where entrepreneurs, scientists, and intellectuals from our countries meet – can become spaces for deep philosophical and foundational insights into the current global development processes. This approach embraces the unique characteristics of each civilisation, including its culture, history, and traditional identities.

The future Eurasian security system, now beginning to take shape across our vast continent, is founded on a spirit of respect and mutual consideration of interests. This approach is not only genuinely multilateral but also multifaceted. Today, security is a complex notion which encompasses more than just military and political dimensions; it cannot be achieved without socio-economic development and the resilience of states against a range of challenges, from natural to man-made. This concept of security spans both the physical and digital realms, including cyberspace and beyond."

1.  Always Ras is right!

2. Is no Ukraine - is no problem!

3.  See 1.

4. Russia was invaded!

5.  See 1.

6.  See 1.

"My fifth point is about justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world. Countries face social tension and political instability within their borders due to inequality, while on the international stage the development gap that separates the so-called Golden Billion from the rest of humankind may not only result in more political differences and confrontation, but also, and even more importantly, exacerbates migration-related issues.

There is hardly a developed country on this planet that has not faced an increasingly uncontrolled and unmanageable inflow of people seeking to improve their wellbeing, social status and to have a future. Some of them are simply trying to survive.

In wealthier societies, these uncontrolled migration flows, in turn, feed xenophobia and intolerance towards migrants, creating a spiralling sense of social and political unease and raising the level of aggression.

There are many reasons to explain why many countries and societies have been falling behind in terms of their social and economic development. Of course, there is no magical cure for this ill. It requires a long-term, system-wide effort, beginning with the creation of the necessary conditions to remove artificial, politically-motivated development barriers.

Attempts to weaponise the economy, regardless of the target, are detrimental to everyone, with the most vulnerable – people and countries in need of support – being the first to suffer.

We are confident that such issues as food security, energy security, access to healthcare and education, and finally, the orderly and free movement of people must not be impacted by whatever conflicts or disputes. These are fundamental human rights."

"My sixth point is that we keep emphasising that sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework. Of course, countries differ in terms of their potential. This is an obvious fact. The same applies to the capabilities and opportunities they have. In this context, we often hear that achieving total equality would be impossible, amounting to wishful thinking, a utopia.

However, what makes today’s world special is its interconnected and holistic nature. In fact, sometimes countries that may not be as powerful or large as others play an even greater role compared to great powers by being more rational and results-driven in using their human, intellectual capital, natural resources and environment-related capabilities, by being more flexible and smart when tackling challenging matters, by setting higher living and ethical standards, as well as in administration and management, while also empowering all their people to fulfil their potential and creating a favourable psychological environment. This approach can bring about scientific breakthroughs, promote entrepreneurial activity, art and creativity, and empower young people. Taken together, all of this counts in terms of global influence and appeal. Let me paraphrase a law of physics: you can outperform others without getting ahead of them.

The most harmful and destructive attitude that we see in the modern world is supreme arrogance, which translates into a desire to condescendingly lecture others, endlessly and obsessively. Russia has never done this. This is not who or what we are. We can see that our approach is productive. Historical experience irrefutably shows that inequality – in society, in government or in the international arena – always has harmful consequences.

I would like to add something that I may not have mentioned often before. Over several centuries, the Western-centric world has embraced certain clichés and stereotypes concerning the global hierarchy. There is supposedly a developed world, progressive society and some universal civilisation that everyone should strive to join – while at the other end, there are backward, uncivilised nations, barbarians. Their job is to listen unquestioningly to what they are told from the outside, and to act on the instructions issued by those who are allegedly superior to them in this civilisational hierarchy.

It is clear that this concept works for a crude colonial approach, for the exploitation of the global majority. The problem is that this essentially racist ideology has taken root in the minds of many, creating a serious mental obstacle to general harmonious growth.

The modern world tolerates neither arrogance nor wanton disregard for others being different. To build normal relationships, above all, one needs to listen to the other party and try to understand their logic and cultural background, rather than expecting them to think and act the way you think they should based on your beliefs about them. Otherwise, communication turns into an exchange of clichés and flinging labels, and politics devolves into a conversation of the deaf.

The truth is that we see how they engage with other cultures that are different. On the surface, they show genuine interest in local music and folklore, seeming to praise and enjoy them, but beneath this facade, their economic and security policies remain neo-colonial.

Look at how the World Trade Organisation operates – it does not solve anything because all Western countries, the main economies, are blocking everything. They always act in their own interests, constantly replicating the same models they used decades and centuries ago – to continue to control everyone and everything.

It should be remembered that everyone is equal, meaning that everyone is entitled to have their own vision, which is no better or worse than others – it is just different, and everyone needs to sincerely respect that. Acknowledging this can pave the way for mutual understanding of interests, mutual respect and empathy, that is, the ability to show compassion, to relate to others’ problems, and the ability to consider differing opinions or arguments. This requires not only listening, but also altering behaviour and policies accordingly.

Listening and considering does not mean accepting or agreeing, not at all. This simply means recognising the other party’s right to their own worldview. In fact, this is the first necessary step towards harmonising different mindsets. Difference and diversity must be viewed as wealth and opportunities, not as reasons for conflict. This, too, reflects the dialectics of history.

We all understand here that an era or radical change and transformation invariably brings upheavals and shocks, which is quite unfortunate. Interests clash as if various actors have to adjust to one another once again. The world’s interconnected nature does not always help mitigate these differences. Of course, this is quite true. On the contrary, it can make things worse, sometimes even injecting more confusion into their relations and making it much harder to find a way out.

Over the many centuries of its history, humanity has grown accustomed to viewing the use of force as the last resort for resolving differences: “Might makes right.” Yes, sometimes this principle does work. Indeed, sometimes countries have no other choice than to stand for their interests with arms in hand and using all available means.
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sixth - continuation and completion

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That said, we live in an interconnected and complex world, and it is becoming increasingly complex. While the use of force may help address a specific issue, it may, of course, bring about other and sometimes even greater challenges. And we understand this. Our country has never been the one to initiate the use of force: we are forced to do that only when it becomes clear that our opponent is acting aggressively and is not willing to listen to any type of argument. And whenever necessary, we will take any measure we need to protect Russia and all its citizens, and we will always achieve our goals.

We live in an intrinsically diverse, non-linear world. This is something we have always understood, and this is what we know today. It is not my intention today to revel in the past, but I can remember quite well the situation we had back in 1999, when I became Prime Minister and then went on to become President. I remember the challenges we faced at the time. I think that Russian people, just like the experts who have gathered in this room, all remember the forces which backed terrorists in North Caucasus, who supplied them weapons, sponsored them, and offered moral, political, ideological and informational support and the extent of these practices.

I can only scoff, with both ridicule and sadness, at what we were hearing at the time: We are dealing with al-Qaeda, which is evil, but as long as you are the target, it is fine. What kind of attitude is that? All this brings nothing but conflict. At the time we had a goal to invest everything we had and spend all the time at our disposal and all capabilities to keep the country together. Of course, this served everyone’s interests in Russia. Despite the dire economic situation in the wake of the 1998 economic crisis and despite the devastated state of our military, we came together as a nation to fend off this terrorist threat and went on to defeat it. Make no mistake about that.

Why have I brought this to your attention? In fact, once again some have come to believe that the world would be better off without Russia. At that time, they tried to finish Russia off after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Today, it seems that someone is once again nurturing this dream. They think that this would make the world more obedient and pliant. However, Russia stopped those aspiring to global dominance in their tracks many times over, no matter who it was. This is how it will be in the future, too. In fact, the world would hardly get any better. This message must finally get across to those trying to go down this road. It would do nothing but make things even more complicated than they are today.

Our opponents are coming up with new ways and devising new tools in their attempts to get rid of us. Today, they have been using Ukraine and its people as a tool by cynically pitching them against Russians and turning them into cannon fodder, all while perorating about a European choice. What kind of choice is that? Let me assure you that this is not our choice. We will defend ourselves and our people – I want this to be absolutely clear to everyone.

Russia’s role is certainly not limited to protecting and preserving itself. It may sound a bit grand, but Russia’s very existence guarantees that the world will retain its wide colour gamut, diversity and complexity, which is the key to successful development. These are not my words. This is something our friends from all regions of the world often tell me. I am not exaggerating. To reiterate, we are not imposing anything on anyone and will never do. We do not need that, and no one else needs it, either. We are guided by our own values, interests and ideas of what is right and what is not, which are rooted in our identity, history and culture. And, of course, we are always ready for a constructive dialogue with everyone.

Those who respect their culture and traditions have no right not to treat others with the same respect. Conversely, those who are trying to force others into inappropriate behaviour invariably trample their own roots, civilisation and culture into mud, some of what we are witnessing."

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

1.  Always Ras is right! 2. Is no Ukraine - is no problem! 3.  See 1. 4. Russia was invaded! 5.  See 1. 6.  See 1.

What was this?

An attempt at an intellectual discussion of the principles?

Who is Ras?

Once again briefly:

1) openness to interaction;
2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability;
3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion;
4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security;
5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world;
6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.

Putin's Principle Orders for the World
1) openness to missile action
2) diversity of Slavs in sustaining a Slavic world
3) new world develops inclusive Slavs
4) security for Slavic nation with secured Ukraine
5) justice for all Ukraine equally in Slavic nation
6) sovereign Slav lasts for imperative nation.

Seventh - assassinate opposition leaders and political opponents in Russia

New World Orders are enforced by units of North Korea's Army (Ukraine Command) and in the Sea of Beijing by 4 aircraft carriers and 1,374,900 fishermen of the People's Principle. China is a bit more equal than Russia.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:06am:

Seventh - assassinate opposition leaders and political opponents in Russia

Too much American culture.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

1.  Always Ras is right! 2. Is no Ukraine - is no problem! 3.  See 1. 4. Russia was invaded! 5.  See 1. 6.  See 1.

Sounds like Joe Biden trying to read teleprompter  ;D

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 5:51pm:

. The experience of the last couple of decades has clearly demonstrated what usurpation leads to, when someone arrogates to themselves the right to speak and act on behalf of others. Those countries that are commonly referred to as great powers have come to believe that they are entitled to dictate to others what their interests are – in fact, to define others’ national interests based on their own.

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:24am:

Too much American culture.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:28am:

Putin's Principle Orders for the World 1) openness to missile action 2) diversity of Slavs in sustaining a Slavic world 3) new world develops inclusive Slavs 4) security for Slavic nation with secured Ukraine 5) justice for all Ukraine equally in Slavic nation 6) sovereign Slav lasts for imperative nation.

Poof trick falsifying quotes is back.

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:24am:

Too much American culture.

Be inclusive. Exclude US culture and include Slavic.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Be inclusive.

Stop  falsifying quotes.

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

Once again briefly: 1) openness to interaction; 2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability; 3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion; 4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security; 5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world; 6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.

That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.

Your words mean as I wrote. Unless you want to expand your phrase 'too much US culture' into a sensible statement.
The topic is about corruption. The word russia translates as 'corrupt dictatorship'.

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:10am:

for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.

The inclusive European peasants are struggling to return to the Warsaw Pact of wealth, cultural freedom, Kremlin government and Slavic boots.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:10am:

Your words mean as I wrote. Unless you want to expand your phrase 'too much US culture' into a sensible statement. The topic is about corruption. The word russia translates as 'corrupt dictatorship'.

Re: Putin's Six Principles for a New World Order
Reply #19 - Today at 12:05pm Quote Modify
chimera wrote Today at 11:53am:
Be inclusive.


Stop  falsifying quotes.

You are Russian man no. Speak words like good Slav. You say I quote, then I quote. True. Is said. Not right. Putin not say be inclusive, he speak be inclusive, da!.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:20am:

You are Russian man no. Speak words like good Slav. You say I quote, then I quote. True. Is said. Not right. Putin not say be inclusive, he speak be inclusive, da!.

You are a lair and scoundrel  who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again.

Da, you give new order as command. Russia in Australia.
You tell who I quoted and where I say false.  I'm obey with guard fist in teeth, is good.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Da, you give new order as command. Russia in Australia. You tell who I quoted and where I say false.  I'm obey with guard fist in teeth, is good.

You are a lair and scoundrel  who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again.

Er, yes madam. Please, ma'am, wot I done?

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Er, yes madam. Please, ma'am, wot I done?

You are poof who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again. Simple as that.

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

Once again briefly: 1) openness to interaction; 2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability; 3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion; 4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security; 5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world; 6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework.

That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.

You never were any good at expressing your ideas. It's why you copy and paste saint Vlad's holy words. Putin may not be pleased with your efforts today.

Dude.
The NWOrder is a nasty use of words to describe the political stability, freedom from and truth from the evil control of the Big Brother Media.

What Religion of the Middle-East has done to Asia, Europe and Africa. Forced Asia to replicate, oppressed Europe and kept Africa in the dark (continent) via Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism.

...the Big Brother Media of Oceania (Orwell's 1984 has Oceania as the enemy, which was the ultimate lie) is basically doing the same to Sahul (Aust), South America and North America. Making us Sahulians into Media carbon copiers, oppressing South America (look what BBMedia did to Argentina) and keep North Americans in the dark (continent).

Big Brother Media Regions:
Oceania... Africa, Europe,Asia.

New World Order Regions:
Middle -East...  N.America, S America, Sahul (Aust, etc)

Hence why, the BBMedia condemns NWO believers as conspiracy nutters, etc.

Like I said:"Religion of the Middle-East kept Africa in the dark. While the Media of music and entertainment, keeps North Americans in the dark."
...and doesn't it just show.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

You never were any good at expressing your ideas. It's why you copy and paste saint Vlad's holy words. Putin may not be pleased with your efforts today.

You are poof who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again otherwise your butthurt will be end of you before too soon.

Jasin wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

Dude. The NWOrder is a nasty use of words to describe the political stability, freedom from and truth from the evil control of the Big Brother Media. What Religion of the Middle-East has done to Asia, Europe and Africa. Forced Asia to replicate, oppressed Europe and kept Africa in the dark (continent) via Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism. ...the Big Brother Media of Oceania (Orwell's 1984 has Oceania as the enemy, which was the ultimate lie) is basically doing the same to Sahul (Aust), South America and North America. Making us Sahulians into Media carbon copiers, oppressing South America (look what BBMedia did to Argentina) and keep North Americans in the dark (continent). Big Brother Media Regions: Oceania... Africa, Europe,Asia. New World Order Regions: Middle -East...  N.America, S America, Sahul (Aust, etc) Hence why, the BBMedia condemns NWO believers as conspiracy nutters, etc. Like I said:"Religion of the Middle-East kept Africa in the dark. While the Media of music and entertainment, keeps North Americans in the dark." ...and doesn't it just show.

What about Buddhism, which is is the world's fourth-largest religion, with over 520 million followers, known as Buddhists, who comprise seven percent of the global population?

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:09pm:

your butthurt will be end of you before too soon.

wha....?
Where did I say I was quoting?
Who was quoted?
What words were false quotes?

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

sixth - continuation and completion ".... That said, we live in an interconnected and complex world, and it is becoming increasingly complex. While the use of force may help address a specific issue, it may, of course, bring about other and sometimes even greater challenges. And we understand this. Our country has never been the one to initiate the use of force: we are forced to do that only when it becomes clear that our opponent is acting aggressively and is not willing to listen to any type of argument. And whenever necessary, we will take any measure we need to protect Russia and all its citizens, and we will always achieve our goals. We live in an intrinsically diverse, non-linear world. This is something we have always understood, and this is what we know today. It is not my intention today to revel in the past, but I can remember quite well the situation we had back in 1999, when I became Prime Minister and then went on to become President. I remember the challenges we faced at the time. I think that Russian people, just like the experts who have gathered in this room, all remember the forces which backed terrorists in North Caucasus, who supplied them weapons, sponsored them, and offered moral, political, ideological and informational support and the extent of these practices. I can only scoff, with both ridicule and sadness, at what we were hearing at the time: We are dealing with al-Qaeda, which is evil, but as long as you are the target, it is fine. What kind of attitude is that? All this brings nothing but conflict. At the time we had a goal to invest everything we had and spend all the time at our disposal and all capabilities to keep the country together. Of course, this served everyone’s interests in Russia. Despite the dire economic situation in the wake of the 1998 economic crisis and despite the devastated state of our military, we came together as a nation to fend off this terrorist threat and went on to defeat it. Make no mistake about that. Why have I brought this to your attention? In fact, once again some have come to believe that the world would be better off without Russia. At that time, they tried to finish Russia off after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Today, it seems that someone is once again nurturing this dream. They think that this would make the world more obedient and pliant. However, Russia stopped those aspiring to global dominance in their tracks many times over, no matter who it was. This is how it will be in the future, too. In fact, the world would hardly get any better. This message must finally get across to those trying to go down this road. It would do nothing but make things even more complicated than they are today. Our opponents are coming up with new ways and devising new tools in their attempts to get rid of us. Today, they have been using Ukraine and its people as a tool by cynically pitching them against Russians and turning them into cannon fodder, all while perorating about a European choice. What kind of choice is that? Let me assure you that this is not our choice. We will defend ourselves and our people – I want this to be absolutely clear to everyone. Russia’s role is certainly not limited to protecting and preserving itself. It may sound a bit grand, but Russia’s very existence guarantees that the world will retain its wide colour gamut, diversity and complexity, which is the key to successful development. These are not my words. This is something our friends from all regions of the world often tell me. I am not exaggerating. To reiterate, we are not imposing anything on anyone and will never do. We do not need that, and no one else needs it, either. We are guided by our own values, interests and ideas of what is right and what is not, which are rooted in our identity, history and culture. And, of course, we are always ready for a constructive dialogue with everyone. Those who respect their culture and traditions have no right not to treat others with the same respect. Conversely, those who are trying to force others into inappropriate behaviour invariably trample their own roots, civilisation and culture into mud, some of what we are witnessing."

In as much as Putin has appealed to the principles outlined in the UN Universal DHR, this is a fine presentation by him.

But his error, like all individualists, is his refusal to abide by the concept of international law; or maybe, his inability to even understand the concept. 

The usual 'freedom values'/ 'freedom or death' suspects have already piled into this thread, driven by blind neanderthal 'survival' instincts  (.....resulting in conflict, death, war and genocide). 

Pity the poor UN UDHR....even more fragile than democracy....    

Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been catastrophic, and may well be the cause of his own downfall, if not Russia's set back for decades.   

Good to see this says 'New World Order' and not 'World Peace' .. in New World Order rich always attack poor as always in history and force them to subjugation ... now is good doing from safe tax haven while permanent tropical holiday with all luxury ..... rape of nations which then lead to rape by nations of own people so government and other bosses can survive in luxury now wide open!!

In history nothing change.... then comes heroic Labor party - who then find lure of easy life and money too hard to reject .... only CFMEU hold out against New Hegemony of Rich Internationalist Apparatchiks ... the New Tsars of all they can see... and even is appointing their own Kommissars!!

People blinded by need for simple sustenance not seeing, comrades... Hunger Games ... reduction of general populace under despotism of Neo-Escalating Comparative Poverty** and living hand to mouth, wherein inflation and costs of living always far exceed rises in income.

Soon 85 year old grandmother Hero of Love Revolution of 1960's needing to sweep street to earn pension and place in Tent City.

(approaching Barstow, you could almost see the high tide mark where the summers of love rose almost to the rim of the Rockies - only to fall back never to return) ...sort of Hunter S Thompson - Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas


**  for stupid ones - Comparative Prosperity/Poverty - when unemployment low, worker in steel mill can come home, have enough income to buy home for family, feed and raise and send to school while wife support effective homestead - is prosperity more even........ when no more steel mill and all parent must struggle to find work in high unemployment and part-employment market and perhaps never earn enough to put deposit on home and then raise family effectively via input from excellent parenting in home along with security of always someone at home for oversight and protection - is not prosperity.... is new form of subjugation by Fat Cats for their benefit ... is poverty ....

Globalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...

Internationalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:52am:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm: Once again briefly: 1) openness to interaction; 2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability; 3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion; 4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security; 5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world; 6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework. That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.

I started reading it but could be bothered as it's so convoluted.

Putin needs to look in the mirror and think about all the death and destruction he has caused.
No country would ever have dared to invade Russia back in 2022 -
so he is full of bullshit.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:09pm: your butthurt will be end of you before too soon. wha....? Where did I say I was quoting? Who was quoted? What words were false quotes?

Poof, you falsified my post by deliberate misquoting it, we've been through that before.
Now you have to apologize and promise never to do it again.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:52am: RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm: Once again briefly: otherwise your butthurt will be end of you before too soon. 1) openness to interaction; 2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability; 3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion; 4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security; 5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world; 6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework. That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence. I started reading it but could be bothered as it's so convoluted. Putin needs to look in the mirror and think about all the death and destruction he has caused. No country would ever have dared to invade Russia back in 2022 - so he is full of bullshit.

Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:06pm:

Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev.

yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false.

Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but
instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm: Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev. yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false. Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.

Putin tried to resolve the conflict peacefully with Minsk agreements but criminals in Kiev wanted to continue war against Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas and they were helped by French president Holland and German chancellor Merkel who later bragged about that.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

Good to see this says 'New World Order' and not 'World Peace' .. in New World Order rich always attack poor as always in history and force them to subjugation ... now is good doing from safe tax haven while permanent tropical holiday with all luxury ..... rape of nations which then lead to rape by nations of own people so government and other bosses can survive in luxury now wide open!!

Ah - graps, another individualist without any understanding of international law "to save mankind from the scourge of war" (UN Charter), and no respect for universal rights, as envisioned in the UN UDHR.

In nature, might is indeed right; whereas the UNUDHR defines an alternative proposition where "rich don't attack poor"....


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In history nothing change....

The two great Mediterranean powers Carthage and Rome blindly marched to war, leading to the eventual total destruction of the former; today China and the US are urgently establishing  communication channels to avoid war, certainly neither can destroy the other.   

So history DOES  change....   


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then comes heroic Labor party -

...who actually do believe in "fairness" (unlike self-interested Conservatives) , but have no idea how to create "an economy which works for all"...while  Conservatives dismiss the very concept, because "poverty is always with is"....



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**  for stupid ones - Comparative Prosperity/Poverty -....

Poor graps' 'personal responsibility' mantra leads him astray as always: see the Henderson poverty line for details.


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Globalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...

Poor graps , confusing freedom from poverty with equality of outcome (ie "spreading the poverty more equally")

The type of globalization practiced by following neoliberal/ neoclassical economists is the cause of win-lose economic development (as opposed to win-win) ; see alternatives eg Keynes'  'clearing union' global trade concept presented at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 (rejected by the US seeking global hegemony after WW2).   


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Internationalisation - reducing the vast majority under despotism of Neo-Poverty so as to ensure control over them and the fattening of fat cats while spreading the poverty more equally around the world so all can enjoy living in mud hut or tent ...[/i]

Poor graps: smears internationalization (and the existance of international law) with the same ills besetting trade globalization.   

His low IQ? Or some other failing?

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:11pm: tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm: Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev. yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false. Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa. Putin tried to resolve the conflict peacefully with Minsk agreements but criminals in Kiev wanted to continue war against Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas and they were helped by French president Holland and German chancellor Merkel who later bragged about that.

Is that Like Danzig?
That's what sparked WW2 in Poland.


Danzig German Speakers 1939

According to the census data and historical records, the Free City of Danzig had a predominantly German-speaking population in 1939. The majority of the inhabitants, approximately 380,000, identified as ethnically German. However, there were also significant minority groups, including:

Polish population: estimated to be around 17,000, making up approximately 4.2% of the total population.
Jewish population: around 3,000, comprising about 0.8% of the total population.

'international law' ............................. https://media1.tenor.com/m/xg7eXmwKZ9wAAAAd/laughing-hysterically.gif

Never been the same since the United Nations took in all those countries that are anything but united with the rest.... as if somehow they had a right ...  Gaza should be part of the unity of mankind...... then when all these nasty little despotisms intent on genocides etc and the allies get a vote - what ho your 'international law' to keep the peace?

Working a charm at the moment, eh?  Must be the lack of personal responsibility from those leaders of those nasty little despotic nations....

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:42pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:11pm: tallowood wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:06pm: Bobby, you conveniently forgot that the killings started in 2014 by criminals who overthrow democratically elected government and illegally usurped power in Kiev. yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false. Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa. Putin tried to resolve the conflict peacefully with Minsk agreements but criminals in Kiev wanted to continue war against Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas and they were helped by French president Holland and German chancellor Merkel who later bragged about that. Is that Like Danzig? That's what sparked WW2 in Poland. Danzig German Speakers 1939 According to the census data and historical records, the Free City of Danzig had a predominantly German-speaking population in 1939. The majority of the inhabitants, approximately 380,000, identified as ethnically German. However, there were also significant minority groups, including: Polish population: estimated to be around 17,000, making up approximately 4.2% of the total population. Jewish population: around 3,000, comprising about 0.8% of the total population.

No, east Ukraine was originally part of Russia, which was given to Ukraine by Lenin after communists created Ukraine after the revolution.

Now Putin is inclusive. Tallowood excludes US culture. Putin includes Ukraine.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Now Putin is inclusive. Tallowood excludes US culture. Putin includes Ukraine.

You are poof who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again.

And you will keep diverting from principles of Putin. You and him are corrupt.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

And you will keep diverting from principles of Putin. You and him are corrupt.

You are a lair and scoundrel  who falsify quotes , you have to apologize and promise never to  do it again.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

'international law' ...

A developing concept, to free mankind from the consequences of neanderthal instincts still alive and kicking today.


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Never been the same since the United Nations took in all those countries that are anything but united with the rest....

Poor graps, driven by neanderthal instincts, and incapable of understanding Doc Evatt's proposals to implement and enforce international law (requiring a UNSC without veto).


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as if somehow they had a right ...

Er- just as under national law (aka rule of law), you don't have a "right" to participate, you have a responsibility to participate; so under international law, states don't have a "right" to participate in international law, they have a responsibility to do so. 

Hence the principle of universal memberhip. 


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Gaza should be part of the unity of mankind......

Wrong as usual; in fact Gaza shouldn't even exist, and if Evatt's vision for the UNSC had been adopted (no veto),  Gaza would have been part of a Palestinian state  established in 1947, as per UN res 181 (aka international law). 


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what ho your 'international law' to keep the peace?

 

See above; people and states must abide by rule of law, under an adjudicator to keep the peace.


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Working a charm at the moment, eh?  Must be the lack of personal responsibility from those leaders of those nasty little despotic nations....

No; it's lack of insight into anachronistic, unconscious (neanderthal) survival instincts which forced the veto into the UNSC, even in the age of MAD. 

Grappler still doing his Donald Duck act, unable to address  #51.

chimera wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:28am:

Putin's Principle Orders for the World 1) openness to missile action 2) diversity of Slavs in sustaining a Slavic world 3) new world develops inclusive Slavs 4) security for Slavic nation with secured Ukraine 5) justice for all Ukraine equally in Slavic nation 6) sovereign Slav lasts for imperative nation.

1) Russia has long used the principle of openness towards all countries in its foreign policy. Those who wanted to interact with Russia were able to do so without hindrance. The West itself closed the door to relations with Russia.

2) Russia has also been using this principle in its foreign policy for a long time. It does not teach anyone how to live. It does not prescribe any form of government to any country.

3) Russia has long been calling for recognition of the right of countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America to participate in decisions concerning the fate of the world.

4) It is precisely because the West ignored this principle and Russia's security was ignored that there is now a war in Ukraine.

5) I would like to believe that this principle will someday be embodied in reality in this world.

6) As far as I understand, Russia always perceives its dialogue partners in any international interactions as equal sovereign actors.

1) The West offered Russia observation of NATO until Russia attacked Georgia. Trump closed the door on Putin?
2) Russia invaded and teaches Chechnya, Karachay-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia how to live.
3) Africa was included in the League of Nations 1920 but Russia was expelled in 1939 for invading Finland (and Poland).
4) Ukraine inside Russia was satire. You don't get it.
5)  All the world like Donbas in Russia?
6) No nation on earth can defeat Russia and its largest force of nukes is ready to fire now.  All are welcome to receive them.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:06am:

Seventh - assassinate opposition leaders and political opponents in Russia

I agree that in Russia they are carefully watching to make sure that no influential figure emerges who can compete with Putin. But who is killing Russian oppositionists is unknown. It could be either Putin or the West, in order to present Putin as a bloody maniac.

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:52am:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:31pm: Once again briefly: 1) openness to interaction; 2) the diversity of the world as a prerequisite for its sustainability; 3) the new world can develop successfully only through the broadest inclusion; 4) security for all without exception is that the security of one nation cannot be ensured at the expense of others’ security; 5) justice for all. Inequality is the true scourge of the modern world; 6) sovereign equality is an imperative for any lasting international framework. That  sounds fair and may be acceptable to Trump but for the demented EU elites it means lost of their subsistence.

I believe that the Europe we knew will no longer exist in any case.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:

In as much as Putin has appealed to the principles outlined in the UN Universal DHR, this is a fine presentation by him. But his error, like all individualists, is his refusal to abide by the concept of international law; or maybe, his inability to even understand the concept.  The usual 'freedom values'/ 'freedom or death' suspects have already piled into this thread, driven by blind neanderthal 'survival' instincts  (.....resulting in conflict, death, war and genocide).  Pity the poor UN UDHR....even more fragile than democracy....     Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been catastrophic, and may well be the cause of his own downfall, if not Russia's set back for decades.

Tell me please, did the NATO military bloc's approach to Russia's borders occur in accordance with the UN Charter?

Was the overthrow of Ukrainian President Yanukovych carried out in accordance with the UN Charter?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

[quote author=tallowood link=1731138258/30#30 date=1731203530][quote author=kapablanka link=1731138258/10#10 date=1731141082]Once again briefly: I started reading it but could be bothered as it's so convoluted. Putin needs to look in the mirror and think about all the death and destruction he has caused. No country would ever have dared to invade Russia back in 2022 - so he is full of bullshit.

I wonder if anyone in the West listened to Putin when he proposed moving NATO away from Russia's borders in December 2021?

With their declining population, ethnically, Russians will be goners over the next few decades - as are the Han Chinese, so only a few more years left to put up with them.

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

Tell me please, did the NATO military bloc's approach to Russia's borders occur in accordance with the UN Charter? Was the overthrow of Ukrainian President Yanukovych carried out in accordance with the UN Charter?

Yes, article 51. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50321.htm
Yes, internal policy is not international. Yanukovych was elected on a Ukrainian trade with EU platform but Putin put pressure and many roubles onto Yanukovich to cancel the Ukrainian election.

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

I wonder if anyone in the West listened to Putin when he proposed moving NATO away from Russia's borders in December 2021?

Poland is on the border with Russia. By strange co-incidence, Russia is on Poland's border. Two countries. One border.

North Korea is fighting Ukraine but Poland is not fighting North Korea.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

yes - to say say Ukraine is totally innocent is false. Did you know that Ukraine stole 10s of $billions of gas from Russian pipe lines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes Still - Putin should have dealt with it through the United Nations but instead he acted like some tin pot regime in Africa.

Press release on Russian draft documents on legal security guarantees from the United States and NATO

17 December 2021 - 13:36

During the December 15, 2021 meeting at the Russian Foreign Ministry, the US party received a draft treaty between the Russian Federation and the United States of America on security guarantees and an agreement on measures to ensure the security of the Russian Federation and member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO).

The US party was given detailed explanations regarding the logic of the Russian approach, as well as the relevant arguments. We hope that, the United States will enter into serious talks with Russia in the near future regarding this matter, which has critical importance for maintaining peace and stability, using the Russian draft treaty and agreement as a starting point.

https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1790809/

Ah, the Tsar handed out a draft treaty.  The US had no right to look out the window at Crimea. Russia is on the Security Council of the UN and gave full security jackboots to Crimean International Russian Conquests.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 5:33pm:

With their declining population, ethnically, Russians will be goners over the next few decades - as are the Han Chinese, so only a few more years left to put up with them.

With the average life expectancy of Russian men at barely 60, and with Russian women hocking themselves out as mail-order brides, the place could be cleared out of Russians by 2050.