This was PM'd to me on another site. Not saying I agree or disagree but it has value IMHO.

Trumps Summarised USA Economic Policy Foundational Basis

"Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs

Reduced regulation allows US manufacturing to compete with China which has zero regulation.

The one thing people keep missing about his tariff plan is the plan to give a 6% corporate tax cut to those who manufacture in the United States. His plan is literally the same as a Border Adjustment Tax, but unlike a BAT, it also rewards companies that service the domestic economy exclusively.

The reason why China dominates world wide manufacturing is because after 1970, the value of the RMB went from 1.2 RMB to the USD to around 8 RMB in the 1990s and was pegged to the USD in 1997 before being released to a range of 6-7 RMB to USD. It should be valued at around half that, which is why Trump wants to introduce a tariff.

This is why the Steel Belt became the Rust Belt, and why Trump is now President. That's what 'Make America Great Again' means to voters in those swing states. In the 1960s, the United States was responsible for 50% of the world's entire manufacturing output. From 1970 to 2024, it's declined to 18% as China has risen. But this isn't Thucydides' Trap - this was a willful destruction of the United States by globalists who hated the prospect of a nation that powerful not being beholden to financial debt. 1971 was the first year that the US had posted a trade deficit in the 20th century, and other than 1973 and 1975, it hasn't posted a surplus since."

Also, about selectively applying tariffs - Australia was the only country that didn't have a tariff put on its steel exports to the United States under the last Trump term. Why? Because we are one of the few countries that had a trade deficit with them.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

This was PM'd to me on another site. Not saying I agree or disagree but it has value IMHO. Trumps Summarised USA Economy Foundational Basis "Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs Reduced regulation allows US manufacturing to compete with China which has zero regulation. The one thing people keep missing about his tariff plan is the plan to give a 6% corporate tax cut to those who manufacture in the United States. His plan is literally the same as a Border Adjustment Tax, but unlike a BAT, it also rewards companies that service the domestic economy exclusively. The reason why China dominates world wide manufacturing is because after 1970, the value of the RMB went from 1.2 RMB to the USD to around 8 RMB in the 1990s and was pegged to the USD in 1997 before being released to a range of 6-7 RMB to USD. It should be valued at around half that, which is why Trump wants to introduce a tariff. This is why the Steel Belt became the Rust Belt, and why Trump is now President. That's what 'Make America Great Again' means to voters in those swing states. In the 1960s, the United States was responsible for 50% of the world's entire manufacturing output. From 1970 to 2024, it's declined to 18% as China has risen. But this isn't Thucydides' Trap - this was a willful destruction of the United States by globalists who hated the prospect of a nation that powerful not being beholden to financial debt. 1971 was the first year that the US had posted a trade deficit in the 20th century, and other than 1973 and 1975, it hasn't posted a surplus since." Also, about selectively applying tariffs - Australia was the only country that didn't have a tariff put on its steel exports to the United States under the last Trump term. Why? Because we are one of the few countries that had a trade deficit with them.

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"Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs"

Current US energy production is at a record high

Most of the rest of this argument is actually being undermined by Trumps policies.


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Reduced regulation allows US manufacturing to compete with China which has zero regulation.

Reduced regulation most often results in reduced safety and increased profits without competition or improvment.


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the plan to give a 6% corporate tax cut to those who manufacture in the United States.

At the same time he has a plan to deport the only people available to work in these manufacturing plants. No point in creating new jobs when there is an extreme labor shortage.

High labor demand drives higher wages - higher production prices - higher power prices - undermines incentives - lower employment.

I'm going to take both Trump and Rubio's words on immigration.
The violent criminal, illegal immigrants will be targetted first. They need to be found, deported and would be a net negative to the USA community and economy.
The non violent criminal illegals will be allowed to re apply LEGALLY. Or in Trumps words; "We need to bring them back legally".

The US is a service economy. The analysis expressed here is totally outdated. 

Manufacturing makes up only a small proportion of US output. There is no reason to believe that turning this around would make Americans better or happier. Manufacturing is largely automated anyway, so it's not like there are all these great production line jobs going.

America makes smart technology, patents and IT. The big money's in Silicon Valley, not Detroit.

The DRILL BABY DRILL thing's krap. Cars and households don't have to rely on oil and fossil fuels anymore. Even wars are being fought largely with drones now. The whole idea of requiring oil and heavy manufacturing for defence is outdated too.

Increasingly, national defence is more about processing capacity - hence the Chips Act. Nations are more at risk from attacks on IT.

Not sure why you'd want to attract manufacturing back from a country like Mexico, only to need cheap labour from a country like Mexico to staff it. US business and political leaders have been aiming to improve America's standard of education for the past two generations. As a service-oriented smart economy, the US needs a college-educated workforce, not an army of factory workers.

The so-called foundational basis is way off here. It misses another fundamental need - cheap, sustainable energy. And another: increasing bandwidth. These two things will power an economy increasingly integrated with AI.

The US isn't returning to a post-war economy any time soon, which is what this model is based on.

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Karnal wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:55pm:

The US is a service economy. The analysis expressed here is totally outdated.

LOL. No poo.
Nothing in the summary disagrees with that lol.
Can you read?

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

I'm going to take both Trump and Rubio's words on immigration. The violent criminal, illegal immigrants will be targetted first. They need to be found, deported and would be a net negative to the USA community and economy. The non violent criminal illegals will be allowed to re apply LEGALLY. Or in Trumps words; "We need to bring them back legally".

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The violent criminal, illegal immigrants will be targetted first.

These immigrants have a crime rate under 20% the national average. They are the most law abiding citizens in the US. You are a victim of the election hype, not the truth.

LOL.
Not even worth replying to

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

I'm going to take both Trump and Rubio's words on immigration. The violent criminal, illegal immigrants will be targetted first. They need to be found, deported and would be a net negative to the USA community and economy. The non violent criminal illegals will be allowed to re apply LEGALLY. Or in Trumps words; "We need to bring them back legally".

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"We need to bring them back legally".

Would that be after the recession that it causes?

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

I'm going to take both Trump and Rubio's words on immigration. The violent criminal, illegal immigrants will be targetted first. They need to be found, deported and would be a net negative to the USA community and economy. The non violent criminal illegals will be allowed to re apply LEGALLY. Or in Trumps words; "We need to bring them back legally".

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take both Trump and Rubio's words

And there's your problem.

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take both Trump and Rubio's words

And there's your problem.[/quote]

Nah I don't buy the rhetoric thrown around by radical leftists. I'm pretty central on most things generally.
I can see some soundness to the idea of deporting "non beneficial" and keeping "beneficial".

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 7:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 7:02pm: Quote: take both Trump and Rubio's words And there's your problem. Nah I don't buy the rhetoric thrown around by radical leftists. I'm pretty central on most things generally. I can see some soundness to the idea of deporting "non beneficial" and keeping "beneficial".

I suspect you will be disappointed in the outcome here.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 6:55pm: The US is a service economy. The analysis expressed here is totally outdated.  LOL. No poo. Nothing in the summary disagrees with that lol. Can you read?

Oh I see. So when you said not saying I agree or disagree, you meant you agree with your DL absolutely and without question.

Good to know, dear, good to know.

It might help if you have a squiz at your summary again, and question its "foundational basis".

Again, you completely miss it.
The summary states he wants more manufacturing, can you understand that?
In no way does that counter your statement, the USA is a service economy now.
In fact the two notions support each other.
It should be understandable to even a primary school student.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Again, you completely miss it. The summary states he wants more manufacturing, can you understand that? In no way does that counter your statement, the USA is a service economy now. In fact the two notions support each other. It should be understandable to even a primary school student.

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he wants more manufacturing

He likely wanted to be a good President in his first term as well, sometimes what you want is beyond the person. The dynamics say that this is beyond Trump.

Possibly, remember the majority of the USA feels he actually did an alright job the first time.
That may not align with legacy media narrative or you own bias but that is the reality.
Nonetheless he is the elected USA President and he has economic goals.
Hopefully he gained some knowledge and is even better prepared the second time around.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Again, you completely miss it. The summary states he wants more manufacturing, can you understand that? In no way does that counter your statement, the USA is a service economy now. In fact the two notions support each other. It should be understandable to even a primary school student.

You're right, dear, I'm not getting it

You're saying he needs to DRILL BABY DRILL to create a manufacturing economy to create more jobs - for who?

Unemployment's 4.1%. If you create a who new manufacturing sector, you're going to need to either:

A) Retrain and replace retail, restaurant and health workers, government employees, etc.

B) Recruit and retrain retirees.

C) Increase immigration.

So I'm curious. Why do you think he'd want to do that?

To burn more oil and piss off the leftards?

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:05pm:

Possibly, remember the majority of the USA feels he actually did an alright job the first time. That may not align with legacy media narrative or you own bias but that is the reality. Nonetheless he is the elected USA President and he has economic goals. Hopefully he gained some knowledge and is even better prepared the second time around.

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the majority of the USA feels he actually did an alright job

1.2 million Americans died in the pandemic he tried to ignore and mismanaged just saying it would go away.

Every presidential rating has Trump in the 3 worst Presidents in American history and that is rather kind. twice impeached (it should have been five times) Convicted criminal and rapist, Insurrectionist etc.

It would be near impossible to have done a worse job the first time, more like many people just forgot how poor he really was.

2024 Oil Production.

1) United States. Production: 21.91 million barrels per day (includes crude oil and liquids) ...
2) Saudi Arabia. Production: 11.13 million barrels per day (includes natural gas liquids) ...
3) Russia. ...
4) Canada. ...
5) China. ...

Oil Exports Barrels per day.
USA 3,604,000      

The argument here is that US need to produce more oil for their local market to drive their economy. Fact is that they are exporting 25 Million barrels of oil per week. Any new oil that the US produce will go to the export market because they don't need it locally.

They currently produce about 127 million barrels per week for their own market.

We have a huge number of soft girly men who need to learn the value of hard work. Past generations had no problem building America and if pushed out of their comfort zones the young men of today can learn to get their hands dirty and build something too. We don't need to import labor for any job.

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

We have a huge number of soft girly men who need to learn the value of hard work. Past generations had no problem building America and if pushed out of their comfort zones the young men of today can learn to get their hands dirty and build something too. We don't need to import labor for any job.

Just keep telling yourself that but with close to full employment educated white Americans will be taking the high paid white collar jobs.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:40pm:

2024 Oil Production. 1) United States. Production: 21.91 million barrels per day (includes crude oil and liquids) ... 2) Saudi Arabia. Production: 11.13 million barrels per day (includes natural gas liquids) ... 3) Russia. ... 4) Canada. ... 5) China. ... Oil Exports Barrels per day. USA 3,604,000       The argument here is that US need to produce more oil for their local market to drive their economy. Fact is that they are exporting 25 Million barrels of oil per week. Any new oil that the US produce will go to the export market because they don't need it locally. They currently produce about 127 million barrels per week for their own market.

Cunning, no? On Day 1, it's all ready to go.

All that oil Sleepy Joe Biden's been DRILL BABY DRILLING

Do you think DL knows how the oil drilling business works?

How about manufacturing?

As I said. the MAJORITY of the USA believe he did alright and re-elected him.
You may hate that reality, but it is the reality

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

We have a huge number of soft girly men who need to learn the value of hard work. Past generations had no problem building America and if pushed out of their comfort zones the young men of today can learn to get their hands dirty and build something too. We don't need to import labor for any job.

I know, right? All those college educated kids who are going to have to leave their computers and rock up to the production line for a hard day's work on the factory floor.

I'm sorry, leftards, you asked for this. Hard work is good work, no?

Arbeit macht frei, innit.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:14pm:

As I said. the MAJORITY of the USA believe he did alright and re-elected him. You may hate that reality, but it is the reality

Oh? I thought we were talking about the US Economic Foundational Basis. You were about to explain why he wants to drill baby drill so that everybody can switch to factory work.

Chop chop.

"The energy sector surged the day after Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential victory, with the Energy Select Sector SPDR Fund (XLE), representing energy stocks in the S&P 500, climbing nearly 4%.

This rally reflects market optimism for fossil fuel investments under Trump’s anticipated pro-oil and gas policies.

The US produced 18.4 million barrels of oil per day and consumed 18.12 million barrels per day back in 2020. Yet, in 2022, the country still imported 7.86 million barrels each day. The USA could theoretically lean into the supposed financial benefits that could be reaped if America shifted  this dynamic – and more permits were issued to drill for ‘cleaner’ US oil –"

People might disagree with the idea and what it means for green energy in the USA under Trump and that's a fair enough argument.
Nonetheless, there is a possible economic benefit and that's the agenda.

kamal and dna are quite clueless goosecat

here are the facts which smart people like donald have recognised

america is completely energy independant

america is completelyfood independant

america produces nearly all of the new innovations in science and tech

america has the top universities

america is completely able to defend itself

america produces most of the worlds entertainment

americans are having children at a much higher rate then japan, china, korea, europe and russia

americans often dont have passports and have plenty of natural and man made tourist attractions within their vast country

so if trunp is a bit "isolationist" what exactly is america missing out on?

they are missing out on the trillions they subsidise other countries military with

they are missing out on young mainly white patriots being maimed in the middle east

they are missing out on china stealing all their tech

they are missing out on having crap junk dumped by the chinese

they are missing out on having islamic extremists coming and having a crack at their cities .




america loses very little and the rest of the world can sort itself out

thats where trump gets it right

biden et al divide the world into the goodguys and the bad guys

trump just sees the world as america (which he and his supporters love)  and other places and if they have some asshole dictator running them then they better man up and cast that asshole dictator aside themselves.

and trump understands morale and "esprit de corps"

you get that by telling people they are awesome

you dont get that by telling people they are the shameful sons of white priveledge and that they should be meek and submissive and little bitches who should go thru life being timid passive and impotent

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:00am:

kamal and dna are quite clueless goosecat here are the facts which smart people like donald have recognised america is completely energy independant america is completelyfood independant america produces nearly all of the new innovations in science and tech america has the top universities america is completely able to defend itself america produces most of the worlds entertainment americans are having children at a much higher rate then japan, china, korea, europe and russia americans often dont have passports and have plenty of natural and man made tourist attractions within their vast country so if trunp is a bit "isolationist" what exactly is america missing out on? they are missing out on the trillions they subsidise other countries military with they are missing out on young mainly white patriots being maimed in the middle east they are missing out on china stealing all their tech they are missing out on having crap junk dumped by the chinese they are missing out on having islamic extremists coming and having a crack at their cities . america loses very little and the rest of the world can sort itself out thats where trump gets it right biden et al divide the world into the goodguys and the bad guys trump just sees the world as america (which he and his supporters love)  and other places and if they have some asshole dictator running them then they better man up and cast that asshole dictator aside themselves. and trump understands morale and "esprit de corps" you get that by telling people they are awesome you dont get that by telling people they are the shameful sons of white priveledge and that they should be meek and submissive and little bitches who should go thru life being timid passive and impotent

Most of that is true.

The question non-Americans like us should be asking: 'Is a Trump Administration good for us?'

Will American tariffs on Australian goods be good for us?

Will American withdrawal from patrolling sea lanes be good for us?'

Will American security guarantees (such that they are guarantees) be good for us?

It's a laugh reading non-Americans high-fiving a Trump victory as if somehow we're also going to benefit from US isolationism.

MacArthur's warning to Curtin is as true today as it was when he said it.

'We're here because it's in our interests to be here'...

And when it's not, an isolationist US will be gone.

totally agree mesiter

for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them

listen to what the man says

"make america great again"

other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle


one point

americas dominance by big food and big pharma needs to end

its why i criticise trump for being fat and serving maccas

the 4 key indicators of good metablic health are blood pressure, blood sugar, triglycerides, waist circumference .

on thise 4 indicators a whopping 95 % of americans are not in good health

a 5 trillion dollar food industry (the swamp) feeding a 5 trillion dollar big pharma industry (the swamp) with the mainstream media and washington and the agencies (the FDA etc) totally dependant on cash from big food and pharma

america spending TWICE any other industrialised nation on health and having the WORST outcomes in nearly every metric

this needs to change or the country is stuffed

if trump can kick out the grifters

get an RFK type chap (maybe without the conspiracy theories) to implement grass roots health programs and stifle the toxic system they currently have, they could do so much better .


kick out the military grifters
kick out the food grifters
kick out the pharma grifters
kick out the university grifters
kick out the education grifters

get americans doing what they do best


taking risks , building businesses, taking on challenges, being awesome
sideline government and red tape

he is setting the right mood

people like musk get it

thats why they are so threatening to the embedded rusted on swamp dwellers

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:15am:

totally agree mesiter for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them listen to what the man says "make america great again" other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle

There's no guarantee that Trump's presidency will be good for us, either.

The idea that the US needs us because of Pine Gap will soon be gone as US space technology makes it redundant. The day that happens, the US will ship out.

We've still got rare-earth resources for as long as that's a thing... until it's not.

What's your answer to an Australian defence against, say, a militarily confident and aggressive Indonesia, a unified Southeast Asian military threat, or a Chinese military threat?

What are your thoughts on a Chinese military blockade of Australian trade routes if, for whatever reason, Australia offends China?

Do you think Asia and Africa look on a people of 30 million with admiration in a continent all to ourselves?

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

This was PM'd to me on another site. Not saying I agree or disagree but it has value IMHO. Trumps Summarised USA Economic Policy Foundational Basis "Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs Reduced regulation allows US manufacturing to compete with China which has zero regulation. The one thing people keep missing about his tariff plan is the plan to give a 6% corporate tax cut to those who manufacture in the United States. His plan is literally the same as a Border Adjustment Tax, but unlike a BAT, it also rewards companies that service the domestic economy exclusively. The reason why China dominates world wide manufacturing is because after 1970, the value of the RMB went from 1.2 RMB to the USD to around 8 RMB in the 1990s and was pegged to the USD in 1997 before being released to a range of 6-7 RMB to USD. It should be valued at around half that, which is why Trump wants to introduce a tariff. This is why the Steel Belt became the Rust Belt, and why Trump is now President. That's what 'Make America Great Again' means to voters in those swing states. In the 1960s, the United States was responsible for 50% of the world's entire manufacturing output. From 1970 to 2024, it's declined to 18% as China has risen. But this isn't Thucydides' Trap - this was a willful destruction of the United States by globalists who hated the prospect of a nation that powerful not being beholden to financial debt. 1971 was the first year that the US had posted a trade deficit in the 20th century, and other than 1973 and 1975, it hasn't posted a surplus since." Also, about selectively applying tariffs - Australia was the only country that didn't have a tariff put on its steel exports to the United States under the last Trump term. Why? Because we are one of the few countries that had a trade deficit with them.

Rheteoric to appease the simpletons.

Last time Trump was in 200 000 manufaturing jobs were lost. What makes you think doing the same thing is going to have a different result this time around? It's the very definition of crazy :D

Short of another pandemic, the chaos of a Trump Administration is going to move at warp speed. The upheavals in US society will be something equivalent to Johnson's 60s... Likely ending in something like Nixon's 70s as overhyped egos start breaking constitutional, federal and state laws like twigs.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

I'm going to take both Trump and Rubio's words on immigration. The violent criminal, illegal immigrants will be targetted first. They need to be found, deported and would be a net negative to the USA community and economy. The non violent criminal illegals will be allowed to re apply LEGALLY. Or in Trumps words; "We need to bring them back legally".

A convicted felon, with 34 criminal convictions, telling other people to obey the law.

Hilarious.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:25am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 7:15am: totally agree mesiter for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them listen to what the man says "make america great again" other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle There's no guarantee that Trump's presidency will be good for us, either. The idea that the US needs us because of Pine Gap will soon be gone as US space technology makes it redundant. The day that happens, the US will ship out. We've still got rare-earth resources for as long as that's a thing... until it's not. What's your answer to an Australian defence against, say, a militarily confident and aggressive Indonesia, a unified Southeast Asian military threat, or a Chinese military threat? What are your thoughts on a Chinese military blockade of Australian trade routes if, for whatever reason, Australia offends China? Do you think Asia and Africa look on a people of 30 million with admiration in a continent all to ourselves?

no i dont

and its not trumps job to keep aussies in a safe space.

we are going to have to take on some "personal responsibility" and "grow up"

isnt that the reason you are on the planet in the first place?

to grow up?

surely we arent just here to be as comfortable , unchallenged, fragile and safe as we can get some authority figure to make us?

surely we are designed to be more than eternal infants  :'( :'(

trump is the evolutionary blowtorch
if you dont like having to take personal responsibility for your life and for your kin , go find some other planet to live on where the rules are different

take most of the citizens of ozpolitics with you  ;)

[quote author=goosecat link=1731139572/0#0 date=1731139572Trumps Summarised USA Economic Policy Foundational Basis

"Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs[/quote]

You'd think then he'd understand that,

Adding tariffs when there is no local option, forcing US consumers to pay 20-60% more for those goods = rising inflation = rising interest rates = lower income and working families paying more for necessities = a Trump recession

All while he's giving rich Americans and companies tax cuts, claiming China will pay with the tariffs when it will be predominantly funded by his core voter base paying more for everything.

Unless he nationalises or at least provides socialised subsidies to the local manufacturing industry to grow it before he implements the tariffs, they'll be heading into the Trump Recession 2.0, the last being masked, luckily for Trump, by COVID.

That won't be very capitalist of Trump.  In fact, it's more like socialism...

So I can't see him rebuilding those industries before implementing the tariffs, especially when he's claiming the tariffs will be the tool to bring back manufacturing, which implies it will be used first.

I'd be getting ready, if I was in the US, to take photos of the prices of all the staples, fuel, bread, eggs, meat, fresh fruit and veg etc, and then in 6 months, show in the increased prices on a meme with a photo of Trump saying "I did that!".

But the only way to increase local energy production (aka Oil) and manufacturing will be to strip environmental and industrial relations protections and regulations.

So Americans will be sicker and paid less, with worse access to healthcare in a recession.

2025-2028 are going to be great for the people.

As long as Trump's billionaire class are happy, that's all that matters.

And of course, he pardons himself of all his federal crimes.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 7:25am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 7:15am: totally agree mesiter for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them listen to what the man says "make america great again" other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle There's no guarantee that Trump's presidency will be good for us, either. The idea that the US needs us because of Pine Gap will soon be gone as US space technology makes it redundant. The day that happens, the US will ship out. We've still got rare-earth resources for as long as that's a thing... until it's not. What's your answer to an Australian defence against, say, a militarily confident and aggressive Indonesia, a unified Southeast Asian military threat, or a Chinese military threat? What are your thoughts on a Chinese military blockade of Australian trade routes if, for whatever reason, Australia offends China? Do you think Asia and Africa look on a people of 30 million with admiration in a continent all to ourselves? no i dont and its not trumps job to keep aussies in a safe space. we are going to have to take on some "personal responsibility" and "grow up" isnt that the reason you are on the planet in the first place? to grow up? surely we arent just here to be as comfortable , unchallenged, fragile and safe as we can get some authority figure to make us? surely we are designed to be more than eternal infants  :'( :'( trump is the evolutionary blowtorch if you dont like having to take personal responsibility for your life and for your kin , go find some other planet to live on where the rules are different take most of the citizens of ozpolitics with you  ;)

How do Australians take personal responsibility for hostile militaries?

How do you think Australia got so rich since WW2? By patrolling the trade routes from hostile nations and pirates? Or was that the Yanks?

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

[quote author=goosecat link=1731139572/0#0 date=1731139572Trumps Summarised USA Economic Policy Foundational Basis "Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs

You'd think then he'd understand that,

Adding tariffs when there is no local option, forcing US consumers to pay 20-60% more for those goods = rising inflation = rising interest rates = lower income and working families paying more for necessities = a Trump recession

[/quote]

Lemme stop you right there.

What are the things in the US for which there is no US-owned or US-produced alternative?
And what are the industries that shifted out of the US because of being priced out and which cannot return even in economically favourable circumstances?

Western de-industrialisation was not an act of god but the result of Western government policies.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

How do Australians take personal responsibility for hostile militaries?

lol... "personal responsibility" is aquascoot's "answer" to everything these days.

Indeed... how do Australians take "personal responsibility" for hostile militaries when the majority can't/won't think any further ahead than what's for dinner tonight and/or what's on TV tonight and/or when is their next Bali holiday?

And, as I've said many times before... there is also no such thing as "personal responsibilty" in a population that is too selfish and unconcerned to even wear a mask to protect the elderly and vulnerable (and themselves) from Covid, flu and other respiratory viruses.

Or even stay home when sick.

And governments that also couldn't care less as long as people are working, taking overseas and interstate holidays, shopping and spending.

Hilarious stuff (well, it would be hilarious if the consequences of what I've said were not so serious).

Carl D wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:59am: How do Australians take personal responsibility for hostile militaries? lol... "personal responsibility" is aquascoot's "answer" to everything these days. Indeed... how do Australians take "personal responsibility" for hostile militaries when the majority can't/won't think any further ahead than what's for dinner tonight and/or what's on TV tonight and/or when is their next Bali holiday? And, as I've said many times before... there is also no such thing as "personal responsibilty" in a population that is too selfish and unconcerned to even wear a mask to protect the elderly and vulnerable (and themselves) from Covid, flu and other respiratory viruses. Or even stay home when sick. And governments that also couldn't care less as long as people are working, taking overseas and interstate holidays, shopping and spending. Hilarious stuff (well, it would be hilarious if the consequences of what I've said were not so serious).

How did Britain resist Germany?

National spirit counts for a lot. France folded like an empty pant suit on 5 Nov.

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

How did Britain resist Germany? National spirit counts for a lot.

That was 80 years ago.

When "national spirit" did count for a lot.

When the population and government worked together and willingly made sacrifices for the common good.

Not anymore. Today it's all about "me, me, me and stuff everyone else".

Carl D wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? National spirit counts for a lot. That was 80 years ago. When "national spirit" did count for a lot. When the population and government worked together and willingly made sacrifices for the common good. Not anymore. Today it's all about "me, me, me and stuff everyone else".

Well, how did THAT come about?

By the relentless expansion of the welfare state, handing over ever more personal responsibility to government apparatchiks.

Carl D wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? National spirit counts for a lot. That was 80 years ago. When "national spirit" did count for a lot. When the population and government worked together and willingly made sacrifices for the common good.

Had the US not entered the war by Japan's attack in the Pacific and Germany's preemptive declaration of war against the US, Britain would have been choked to death by naval blockade.

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:33pm:

People might disagree with the idea and what it means for green energy in the USA under Trump and that's a fair enough argument. Nonetheless, there is a possible economic benefit and that's the agenda.

I do. I've also asked you why the need for manufacturing in the first place.

If you don't want to answer that, just say.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:40am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:35am: Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? National spirit counts for a lot. That was 80 years ago. When "national spirit" did count for a lot. When the population and government worked together and willingly made sacrifices for the common good. Had the US not entered the war by Japan's attack in the Pacific and Germany's preemptive declaration of war against the US, Britain would have been choked to death by naval blockade.

Not in 1940, evidently, when Britain resisted and France folded like an empty pant suit.

Karnal wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:41am:

goosecat wrote on Nov 9th, 2024 at 10:33pm: People might disagree with the idea and what it means for green energy in the USA under Trump and that's a fair enough argument. Nonetheless, there is a possible economic benefit and that's the agenda. I do. I've also asked you why the need for manufacturing in the first place. If you don't want to answer that, just say.

Have you asked China that question?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:15am:

totally agree mesiter for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them listen to what the man says "make america great again" other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle one point americas dominance by big food and big pharma needs to end its why i criticise trump for being fat and serving maccas the 4 key indicators of good metablic health are blood pressure, blood sugar, triglycerides, waist circumference . on thise 4 indicators a whopping 95 % of americans are not in good health a 5 trillion dollar food industry (the swamp) feeding a 5 trillion dollar big pharma industry (the swamp) with the mainstream media and washington and the agencies (the FDA etc) totally dependant on cash from big food and pharma america spending TWICE any other industrialised nation on health and having the WORST outcomes in nearly every metric this needs to change or the country is stuffed if trump can kick out the grifters get an RFK type chap (maybe without the conspiracy theories) to implement grass roots health programs and stifle the toxic system they currently have, they could do so much better . kick out the military grifters kick out the food grifters kick out the pharma grifters kick out the university grifters kick out the education grifters get americans doing what they do best taking risks , building businesses, taking on challenges, being awesome sideline government and red tape he is setting the right mood people like musk get it thats why they are so threatening to the embedded rusted on swamp dwellers

You miss the point entirely. The Trump brand is all about grifting. The purpose of his administration is to bring the grifters into the tent. The biggest?

Elon, the richest guy in the world. They plan to outsource the depts of agriculture, energy, health and catering to big ag, big oil, big pharma and fast food. He's promised to do all this, you silly old thing.

What do you think Project 2025's about? 

Thank god Hitler was a sh!t soldier and prevented the German army from finishing off the British at Dunkirk.

Carl D wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? National spirit counts for a lot. That was 80 years ago. When "national spirit" did count for a lot. When the population and government worked together and willingly made sacrifices for the common good. Not anymore. Today it's all about "me, me, me and stuff everyone else".

thats YOUR behaviour
thats "personal seflishness, safetyism and comfort"

we are talking about "personal responsibility"
an adult term
like the men who went and fought at kokoda

not those who celebrated "taking' from centrelink as the highest of moral virtues

try to keep up

Karnal wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 7:15am: totally agree mesiter for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them listen to what the man says "make america great again" other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle one point americas dominance by big food and big pharma needs to end its why i criticise trump for being fat and serving maccas the 4 key indicators of good metablic health are blood pressure, blood sugar, triglycerides, waist circumference . on thise 4 indicators a whopping 95 % of americans are not in good health a 5 trillion dollar food industry (the swamp) feeding a 5 trillion dollar big pharma industry (the swamp) with the mainstream media and washington and the agencies (the FDA etc) totally dependant on cash from big food and pharma america spending TWICE any other industrialised nation on health and having the WORST outcomes in nearly every metric this needs to change or the country is stuffed if trump can kick out the grifters get an RFK type chap (maybe without the conspiracy theories) to implement grass roots health programs and stifle the toxic system they currently have, they could do so much better . kick out the military grifters kick out the food grifters kick out the pharma grifters kick out the university grifters kick out the education grifters get americans doing what they do best taking risks , building businesses, taking on challenges, being awesome sideline government and red tape he is setting the right mood people like musk get it thats why they are so threatening to the embedded rusted on swamp dwellers You miss the point entirely. The Trump brand is all about grifting. The purpose of his administration is to bring the grifters into the tent. The biggest? Elon, the richest guy in the world. They plan to outsource the depts of agriculture, energy, health and catering to big ag, big oil, big pharma and fast food. He's promised to do all this, you silly old thing. What do you think Project 2025's about?

incorrect


the generals like mcrystal who betray their mission and take a million dollar salary are the grifters
the doctors who take cash from pharma and big food to promote the american diet where coco pops are promoted and eggs and red meat are not are the grifters
the green grifters like newsome who take cash from european wind turbine manufacturers are the real grifters


musk doesnt even own a house, he spends all his time working on real solutions
he would make a passionate head of energy
RFK is a fit looking healthy bloke who distrusts big pharma
he would make an excellent head of the FDA
trump is going to pull out of foreign wars
he makes an excellent commander in chief
he is going to finish the wall
this is fantastic news for black and latino men on minimum wage
who wont have to compete with illegals working for cash

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

thats YOUR behaviour thats "personal seflishness, safetyism and comfort" we are talking about "personal responsibility" an adult term like the men who went and fought at kokoda not those who celebrated "taking' from centrelink as the highest of moral virtues try to keep up

If you took some time to check the real world outside of that little farm in Nowheresville, Outback Queensland (population: 10) you may actually notice that "personal seflishness, safetyism and comfort" is all the majority of the population care about these days.

As for "personal responsibility", my elderly aunt had another fall on Friday evening and I stayed with her at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital until after midnight then went back to visit her yesterday afternoon and I will (hopefully) be bringing her home later today.

No "Netfix", "what's for dinner" or "when is my next Bali holiday" on my mind at the moment.

How's that for some "personal responsibility"?

maybe less time virtue signalling on the internet, reading dr bergers rediculous posts and more time supervising the aunt so she doesnt fall.

hows that for personal responsibility

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

maybe less time virtue signalling on the internet, reading dr bergers rediculous posts and more time supervising the aunt so she doesnt fall. hows that for personal responsibility

Well, when I eventually get the care package from My Aged Care that I've been waiting 7 months for then I can get some help looking after her.

Until then, everything is on ME. As it has been for over 5 years now.

After her latest fall and after talking to several people yesterday I believe the wheels are finally going to be set in motion to get me some help.

But thank you for your concern.

Oh, and you can stick your "personal responsibility" where the sun don't shine. And I say that in the nicest way I'm capable of doing at the moment.  :)

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

This was PM'd to me on another site. Not saying I agree or disagree but it has value IMHO.

Certainly does: Trump's policies will affect the global economy.


Quote:

"Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs

Yes. At this stage, fossil fuels are the cheapest form of energy,  given the current energy infrastructure. And fracking technology has enabled the US to become the world's biggest producer of fossil fuels, and hence rebuild  more competitve industries in the rust belt and other  industries - aka  'MAGA' (since the US, unlike China,  no longer needs Arabian oil).   

Indeed,  if CO2 emissions weren't a problem, no-one** would be bothering to transition to the vast expensive new renewable infrastructure required.

**except China - "the world's factory" -  which has a pollution problem with burning fossil fuels.


Quote:

Reduced regulation allows US manufacturing to compete with China which has zero regulation.

See above: in fact, China is committed to reducing reliance on coal; hence regulation of the coal industry; China is now the world's largest producer of renewable energy and increasing fast, and though it is still the largest CO2 emitter, fossil pollution  is decreasing fast.   


Quote:

The one thing people keep missing about his tariff plan is the plan to give a 6% corporate tax cut to those who manufacture in the United States. His plan is literally the same as a Border Adjustment Tax, but unlike a BAT, it also rewards companies that service the domestic economy exclusively.

Yes, in the absence of global cooperation re trade,  ie, fair trade rather than free trade, Trump's policies may help to repair the US rust belt.


Quote:

The reason why China dominates world wide manufacturing is because after 1970, the value of the RMB went from 1.2 RMB to the USD to around 8 RMB in the 1990s and was pegged to the USD in 1997 before being released to a range of 6-7 RMB to USD. It should be valued at around half that, which is why Trump wants to introduce a tariff.

Globalization - with global companies seeking the lowest cost labour, is why China became the world's factory.
And the CCP's subsidization of strategic industry. 


Quote:

This is why the Steel Belt became the Rust Belt, and why Trump is now President. That's what 'Make America Great Again' means to voters in those swing states. In the 1960s, the United States was responsible for 50% of the world's entire manufacturing output. From 1970 to 2024, it's declined to 18% as China has risen.

Yes.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/china-worlds-sole-manufacturing-superpower-line-sketch-rise

China is the world’s sole manufacturing superpower: A line sketch of the rise

The US is the world’s sole military superpower. It spends more on its military than the ten next highest spending countries combined. China is now the world’s sole manufacturing superpower. Its production exceeds that of the nine next largest manufacturers combined. This column uses the recently released 2023 update of the OECD TiVA database to paint an eight-chart portrait of [u]China’s journey to superpower status and the asymmetric impact that its dominance has had on global supply chains.


Quote:

But this isn't Thucydides' Trap - this was a willful destruction of the United States by globalists who hated the prospect of a nation that powerful not being beholden to financial debt. 1971 was the first year that the US had posted a trade deficit in the 20th century, and other than 1973 and 1975, it hasn't posted a surplus since."

Who are these "globalists",  other than free-trade "comparative advantage" ideologues (including in the IMF and WTO), managing companies including in the US itself who sought to benefit from cheap 3rd world labour? China can't be blamed for successfully competing  against high cost Western producers.


Quote:

Also, about selectively applying tariffs - Australia was the only country that didn't have a tariff put on its steel exports to the United States under the last Trump term. Why? Because we are one of the few countries that had a trade deficit with them.

Plus the LNP government begged Trump to exempt Oz steel - we are special "friends", you know... f**k the rest of the world. 

Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'.

In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people. 

By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US.

Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.   

"personal responsibility"?

Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'. In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people.  By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US. Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.    "personal responsibility"? Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'.

having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct

Really?

From my perspective it's a leading indicator that you're probably wrong. As usual.

Oh, and before you comment, just remember:

"Denial is not a river in Egypt"

:)

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:27am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:36am: [quote author=goosecat link=1731139572/0#0 date=1731139572Trumps Summarised USA Economic Policy Foundational Basis "Higher energy production = lower energy prices = lower production costs = new production incentives = more manufacturing = more jobs You'd think then he'd understand that, Adding tariffs when there is no local option, forcing US consumers to pay 20-60% more for those goods = rising inflation = rising interest rates = lower income and working families paying more for necessities = a Trump recession

Lemme stop you right there.

What are the things in the US for which there is no US-owned or US-produced alternative? [/quote]

I can't believe you need this explaining to, again...

If Trump were to implement tariffs on all imports, it would increase the cost of imported goods, which could encourage people to buy domestically produced alternatives. However, whether there are viable local alternatives depends on the product and industry.

For some goods, especially agricultural products and basic manufactured items, local alternatives might be available or could be ramped up relatively quickly.

However, for more complex items like electronics, machinery, or specialized components, it would be challenging to find or establish equivalent local production in the short term. The U.S. has a significant manufacturing base, but certain industries rely heavily on global supply chains due to cost efficiencies, technological expertise, or raw material availability.

In the short to medium term, widespread tariffs will lead to higher prices and limited availability for certain products, as local producers would need time and investment to scale up or shift production.

The effectiveness of domestic substitutes would also depend on the ability of local industries to meet demand at a competitive quality and price.

Hence, if Trump doesn't FIRST fix the local manufacturing base, something that is deeply ideologically opposed by the Republican Party, champions of deregulation and "let the free market decide" in the short and medium term Americans will be forced to pay more for all the products they need either because all or part of them is produced overseas.

I'm sorry the reality is so triggering, but get with it dipstick.

This is what you backed and what the people chose...

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:01am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:50am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 7:15am: totally agree mesiter for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them listen to what the man says "make america great again" other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle one point americas dominance by big food and big pharma needs to end its why i criticise trump for being fat and serving maccas the 4 key indicators of good metablic health are blood pressure, blood sugar, triglycerides, waist circumference . on thise 4 indicators a whopping 95 % of americans are not in good health a 5 trillion dollar food industry (the swamp) feeding a 5 trillion dollar big pharma industry (the swamp) with the mainstream media and washington and the agencies (the FDA etc) totally dependant on cash from big food and pharma america spending TWICE any other industrialised nation on health and having the WORST outcomes in nearly every metric this needs to change or the country is stuffed if trump can kick out the grifters get an RFK type chap (maybe without the conspiracy theories) to implement grass roots health programs and stifle the toxic system they currently have, they could do so much better . kick out the military grifters kick out the food grifters kick out the pharma grifters kick out the university grifters kick out the education grifters get americans doing what they do best taking risks , building businesses, taking on challenges, being awesome sideline government and red tape he is setting the right mood people like musk get it thats why they are so threatening to the embedded rusted on swamp dwellers You miss the point entirely. The Trump brand is all about grifting. The purpose of his administration is to bring the grifters into the tent. The biggest? Elon, the richest guy in the world. They plan to outsource the depts of agriculture, energy, health and catering to big ag, big oil, big pharma and fast food. He's promised to do all this, you silly old thing. What do you think Project 2025's about?  incorrect the generals like mcrystal who betray their mission and take a million dollar salary are the grifters the doctors who take cash from pharma and big food to promote the american diet where coco pops are promoted and eggs and red meat are not are the grifters the green grifters like newsome who take cash from european wind turbine manufacturers are the real grifters musk doesnt even own a house, he spends all his time working on real solutions he would make a passionate head of energy RFK is a fit looking healthy bloke who distrusts big pharma he would make an excellent head of the FDA trump is going to pull out of foreign wars he makes an excellent commander in chief he is going to finish the wall this is fantastic news for black and latino men on minimum wage who wont have to compete with illegals working for cash

Musk receives $13 bil in US government subsidies. He's now tasked with "trimming waste".

Go figure. By 2028, Musk will own NASA. Big oil will have the US department of Energy. Eli Lily and Johnson & Johnson will have the department of Health. And the department of Education will be cut entirely.

Where have you been for this campaign? This has all been announced. 

You need to pay attention. Your DL isn't about any personal responsibility or any of that krap. He's about handing the US state over to his billionaire friends and corporate backers. How do we know?

He said.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'. In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people.  By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US. Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.    "personal responsibility"? Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'.

Just so. And now, US consumers are turning to superior Chinese-made EVs.

Detroit will never turn back into a gaz-guzzling auto manufacturer again, the market's not buying it.

Besides, all over the East and West coasts, the infrastructure's primed for EVs. The transition to electric and renewable energy has begun. There's no turning back.

All a MAGA administration can do is delay the inevitable, but that won't be a piece of cake to do. Newscum in California's planning a green bulwark against Washington, and he can do it too. For all DL's complaints against wind farms and solar plants, they're expanding. It's a free market, after all, and renewables are long-term cheap. The transition now relies on the blue states.

The biggest setback from the Trump election is the transition to renewable energy - the most important project this century. But the markets - and the states - will continue regardless, as will global warming.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

If Trump were to implement tariffs on all imports, it would increase the cost of imported goods, which could encourage people to buy domestically produced alternatives. However, whether there are viable local alternatives depends on the product and industry. For some goods, especially agricultural products and basic manufactured items, local alternatives might be available or could be ramped up relatively quickly. However, for more complex items like electronics, machinery, or specialized components, it would be challenging to find or establish equivalent local production in the short term. The U.S. has a significant manufacturing base, but certain industries rely heavily on global supply chains due to cost efficiencies, technological expertise, or raw material availability. In the short to medium term, widespread tariffs will lead to higher prices and limited availability for certain products, as local producers would need time and investment to scale up or shift production. The effectiveness of domestic substitutes would also depend on the ability of local industries to meet demand at a competitive quality and price. Hence, if Trump doesn't FIRST fix the local manufacturing base, something that is deeply ideologically opposed by the Republican Party, champions of deregulation and "let the free market decide" in the short and medium term Americans will be forced to pay more for all the products they need either because all or part of them is produced overseas. This is what you backed and what the people chose...

Only guessing but I suspect Trump is well aware there is going to be a gap in the timeline of increasing USA production enough to cover as many products as he would like and demand.

I suspect he hopes China will initially respond by having to lower prices into USA to cover. He is targeting them specifically more than any competitors. I suspect he hopes to achieve a 2 pronged attack on the China trade imbalance by reducing that imbalance and empowering to an extent, any China manufacturing competitors.

His idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea. It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area.
I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing.

I'm again guessing but I expect there will be an initial positive response to his policies from investment into the USA and already the markets seem to agree. That may be followed by a period of poorer performance as the "gap" between investment and actual production comes to the fore and China fight-back efforts have some effect. There followed by a period of better performance as some of the policies start to bare physical fruit.
I reckon Trump will accordingly see a 12 month honeymoon period, followed by a couple of tougher years, including an over-due market correction, before ending with a better performance towards the end of his term.
The legacy left wing media will focus on the tougher years of his term and Trump will focus on the "poo" in his opinion he was left by Biden/Hariss and the improving economic outlook towards the back end.
The media circus goes into the new election rhetoric media cycle and around we go.

That's my crystal ball guess. lol

Goose, you really need to read up on micro economics, dear.

The Chinese government doesn't send goods to America. Americans go on Amazon and eBay to buy them.

Chinese-made components are built into the US supply chain, with everyone from US auto manufacturers to builders importing them.

The CCP doesn't swarm the world with products. The rest of the world seeks them out, orders them and pays Chinese businesses to send them over.

Take your DL. He's in the hat business, no? Before he can sell them and make a profit, he calls up a factory in Guangzhou, puts in an order and pays them in Yuan. The Chows them send them over to Palm Beach: nice red caps with MAGA in white letters. They throw in a few black ones for Elon - dark MAGA.

Same with his gold sneakers, same with his 14 karat gold watches: made in Chi-na.

China's not forcing them on your DL or setting the price. Your DL is going online, shopping for Chinese products and buying them to sell to suckers in America.

So, no. The Chinese government is not going to cut prices to factor in your DL's taxes. The Chinese government doesn't have anything to do with the sale of goods at all.

All the Chinese government can do in response is impose retaliatory tariffs on US-made goods, and this is how trade wars start.

During your DL's last trade war, he ended up paying all the money collected through tariffs straight back to American farmers as compensation for the loss of sales to China. US consumers paid those tariffs, and the farmers let their unsold crops rot in the fields.

Not the best way to do business, wouldn't you say?

You're really not worth answering, so I won't bother with this for long.
Saying "The Chinese government doesn't have anything to do with the sale of goods at all" is so imbecilic, it says all one needs to know really regarding your actual knowledge as opposed to that which you think you have lol.
Aside from that only an idiot chasing a debate for the sake of the site usage appearance perhaps would argue  that China exporters would never lower prices initially to cover. At the minimum they will have an amount of existing stock and pipeline orders to move.

When some-one says China will initially lower prices, trying to straw-man and say they meant just the government will lower prices is so juvenile, I have little time for pathetic, lower class, debaters that employ the tactic. I'm not going to waste my time on pathetic straw-man idiots.
That may be the realms of many on this site, but I can't be bothered with the low-brow time-wasting.

Intelligent people understand "China" will initially lower some prices to USA. They will most certainly also respond with other tactics, including their own tariffs as I said; "China's fightback".

goosecat wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 4:27pm:

You're really not worth answering, so I won't bother with this for long. Saying "The Chinese government doesn't have anything to do with the sale of goods at all" is so imbecilic, it says all one needs to know really regarding your actual knowledge as opposed to that which you think you have lol. Aside from that only an idiot chasing a debate for the sake of the site usage appearance perhaps would argue  that China exporters would never lower prices initially to cover. At the minimum they will have an amount of existing stock and pipeline orders to move. When some-one says China will initially lower prices, trying to straw-man and say they meant just the government will lower prices is so juvenile, I have little time for pathetic, lower class, debaters that employ the tactic. I'm not going to waste my time on pathetic straw-man idiots. That may be the realms of many on this site, but I can't be bothered with the low-brow time-wasting. Intelligent people understand "China" will initially lower some prices to USA. They will most certainly also respond with other tactics, including their own tariffs as I said; "China's fightback".

No worries, so what do you mean? This is a discussion board. We flesh things out.

Are you saying DL's hat-manufacturers should sell them to him cheaper than cost? Are you saying the Chows should cut worker's wages? Are you saying the CCP should cut the Yuan even lower to make the price of MAGA caps cheaper?

What? You seem to be assuming everything but the most logical response: DL will pass the additional tariffs onto his base.

I imagine they'll happily pay an extra $10 for a well-made MAGA cap.

Wages are currently at record highs, no?

It will be a combination as always.
Some importers will try to pass the full cost on and for some items that will work. For others  the public wont buy as much at the price etc. Some importers will "wear" some of the cost. Some will source elsewhere. Some will demand China suppliers/exporters lower cost to the US importers to cover and some will be combinations of all etc.
An element of China to USA products will initially have to lower prices to USA importers to move existing stock and pipeline. Exactly how much and how many products, I suspect no-one actually knows, including "economists".
It will of course have flow on effects for China production pipelines, (businesses, workers, financial institutions) and economy.

goosecat wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

It will be a combination as always. Some importers will try to pass the full cost on and for some items that will work. For others  the public wont buy as much at the price etc. Some importers will "wear" some of the cost. Some will source elsewhere. Some will demand China suppliers/exporters lower cost to the US importers to cover and some will be combinations of all etc. An element of China to USA products will initially have to lower prices to USA importers to move existing stock and pipeline. Exactly how much and how many products, I suspect no-one actually knows, including "economists". It will of course have flow on effects for China production pipelines, (businesses, workers, financial institutions) and economy.

I see. You're onto the importers. Now you're talking.

Oh, economists know alright. They're saying it'll add to inflation. A 20% tax doesn't just disappear, Goose. You don't get to "demand" your way out of it.

When Australia enforced GST on foreign platforms like eBay and Amazon, prices automatically went up by 10%, just like that.

No bargaining, no price reductions, no demands on suppliers.

Tariffs are effectively a consumption tax.

Trump believes he can go the tariff route and still keep inflation under control.

He points to bringing in the tariffs he did in his first term which the "left" and economists screamed about initially and then went on to keep during Biden/Hariss term.
He says he'll cut insurance costs, deport millions initially, lower energy prices, lower taxes for business and remove tax on tips etc etc, as separate parts of his plans to purportedly counter any upward inflationary cost of living pressures of introduced tariffs.
There's certainly debate on whether he can actually manage all those achievements but he thinks he can.

It's not that he hasn't thought about it, he just thinks he can cover it and win/win for the USA against China.
Trump is not alone in his thinking regarding tariffs and China (Europe/Canada), but he does go broader and stronger.

Karnal wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

goosecat wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:22pm: It will be a combination as always. Some importers will try to pass the full cost on and for some items that will work. For others  the public wont buy as much at the price etc. Some importers will "wear" some of the cost. Some will source elsewhere. Some will demand China suppliers/exporters lower cost to the US importers to cover and some will be combinations of all etc. An element of China to USA products will initially have to lower prices to USA importers to move existing stock and pipeline. Exactly how much and how many products, I suspect no-one actually knows, including "economists". It will of course have flow on effects for China production pipelines, (businesses, workers, financial institutions) and economy. I see. You're onto the importers. Now you're talking. Oh, economists know alright. They're saying it'll add to inflation. A 20% tax doesn't just disappear, Goose. You don't get to "demand" your way out of it. When Australia enforced GST on foreign platforms like eBay and Amazon, prices automatically went up by 10%, just like that. No bargaining, no price reductions, no demands on suppliers. Tariffs are effectively a consumption tax.

So consume the local alternative.

Buy your kids a job - remember that one?

goosecat wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:19pm: If Trump were to implement tariffs on all imports, it would increase the cost of imported goods, which could encourage people to buy domestically produced alternatives. However, whether there are viable local alternatives depends on the product and industry. For some goods, especially agricultural products and basic manufactured items, local alternatives might be available or could be ramped up relatively quickly. However, for more complex items like electronics, machinery, or specialized components, it would be challenging to find or establish equivalent local production in the short term. The U.S. has a significant manufacturing base, but certain industries rely heavily on global supply chains due to cost efficiencies, technological expertise, or raw material availability. In the short to medium term, widespread tariffs will lead to higher prices and limited availability for certain products, as local producers would need time and investment to scale up or shift production. The effectiveness of domestic substitutes would also depend on the ability of local industries to meet demand at a competitive quality and price. Hence, if Trump doesn't FIRST fix the local manufacturing base, something that is deeply ideologically opposed by the Republican Party, champions of deregulation and "let the free market decide" in the short and medium term Americans will be forced to pay more for all the products they need either because all or part of them is produced overseas. This is what you backed and what the people chose... Only guessing but I suspect Trump is well aware there is going to be a gap in the timeline of increasing USA production enough to cover as many products as he would like and demand. I suspect he hopes China will initially respond by having to lower prices into USA to cover. He is targeting them specifically more than any competitors. I suspect he hopes to achieve a 2 pronged attack on the China trade imbalance by reducing that imbalance and empowering to an extent, any China manufacturing competitors. His idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea. It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area. I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing. I'm again guessing but I expect there will be an initial positive response to his policies from investment into the USA and already the markets seem to agree. That may be followed by a period of poorer performance as the "gap" between investment and actual production comes to the fore and China fight-back efforts have some effect. There followed by a period of better performance as some of the policies start to bare physical fruit. I reckon Trump will accordingly see a 12 month honeymoon period, followed by a couple of tougher years, including an over-due market correction, before ending with a better performance towards the end of his term. The legacy left wing media will focus on the tougher years of his term and Trump will focus on the "poo" in his opinion he was left by Biden/Hariss and the improving economic outlook towards the back end. The media circus goes into the new election rhetoric media cycle and around we go. That's my crystal ball guess. lol

I hope so, but Trump has historically been a lazy president. He's all about the signing ceremony and getting all the credit without actually following through, like the wall, his "fixing" the health system etc.

But I hope you're right.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:31pm:

goosecat wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:56pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:19pm: If Trump were to implement tariffs on all imports, it would increase the cost of imported goods, which could encourage people to buy domestically produced alternatives. However, whether there are viable local alternatives depends on the product and industry. For some goods, especially agricultural products and basic manufactured items, local alternatives might be available or could be ramped up relatively quickly. However, for more complex items like electronics, machinery, or specialized components, it would be challenging to find or establish equivalent local production in the short term. The U.S. has a significant manufacturing base, but certain industries rely heavily on global supply chains due to cost efficiencies, technological expertise, or raw material availability. In the short to medium term, widespread tariffs will lead to higher prices and limited availability for certain products, as local producers would need time and investment to scale up or shift production. The effectiveness of domestic substitutes would also depend on the ability of local industries to meet demand at a competitive quality and price. Hence, if Trump doesn't FIRST fix the local manufacturing base, something that is deeply ideologically opposed by the Republican Party, champions of deregulation and "let the free market decide" in the short and medium term Americans will be forced to pay more for all the products they need either because all or part of them is produced overseas. This is what you backed and what the people chose... Only guessing but I suspect Trump is well aware there is going to be a gap in the timeline of increasing USA production enough to cover as many products as he would like and demand. I suspect he hopes China will initially respond by having to lower prices into USA to cover. He is targeting them specifically more than any competitors. I suspect he hopes to achieve a 2 pronged attack on the China trade imbalance by reducing that imbalance and empowering to an extent, any China manufacturing competitors. His idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea. It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area. I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing. I'm again guessing but I expect there will be an initial positive response to his policies from investment into the USA and already the markets seem to agree. That may be followed by a period of poorer performance as the "gap" between investment and actual production comes to the fore and China fight-back efforts have some effect. There followed by a period of better performance as some of the policies start to bare physical fruit. I reckon Trump will accordingly see a 12 month honeymoon period, followed by a couple of tougher years, including an over-due market correction, before ending with a better performance towards the end of his term. The legacy left wing media will focus on the tougher years of his term and Trump will focus on the "poo" in his opinion he was left by Biden/Hariss and the improving economic outlook towards the back end. The media circus goes into the new election rhetoric media cycle and around we go. That's my crystal ball guess. lol I hope so, but Trump has historically been a lazy president. He's all about the signing ceremony and getting all the credit without actually following through, like the wall, his "fixing" the health system etc. But I hope you're right.

Trump makes the announcement and then heads out to the golf course.

The 2025 project removes the framework that gets things done. Replacing all the civil servants with political hacks will do the type of damage that takes decades to recover from.

The only bright light is that the departments will likely not be functional enough to enact Trump's policies.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:10pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 8:31pm: goosecat wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:56pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:19pm: If Trump were to implement tariffs on all imports, it would increase the cost of imported goods, which could encourage people to buy domestically produced alternatives. However, whether there are viable local alternatives depends on the product and industry. For some goods, especially agricultural products and basic manufactured items, local alternatives might be available or could be ramped up relatively quickly. However, for more complex items like electronics, machinery, or specialized components, it would be challenging to find or establish equivalent local production in the short term. The U.S. has a significant manufacturing base, but certain industries rely heavily on global supply chains due to cost efficiencies, technological expertise, or raw material availability. In the short to medium term, widespread tariffs will lead to higher prices and limited availability for certain products, as local producers would need time and investment to scale up or shift production. The effectiveness of domestic substitutes would also depend on the ability of local industries to meet demand at a competitive quality and price. Hence, if Trump doesn't FIRST fix the local manufacturing base, something that is deeply ideologically opposed by the Republican Party, champions of deregulation and "let the free market decide" in the short and medium term Americans will be forced to pay more for all the products they need either because all or part of them is produced overseas. This is what you backed and what the people chose... Only guessing but I suspect Trump is well aware there is going to be a gap in the timeline of increasing USA production enough to cover as many products as he would like and demand. I suspect he hopes China will initially respond by having to lower prices into USA to cover. He is targeting them specifically more than any competitors. I suspect he hopes to achieve a 2 pronged attack on the China trade imbalance by reducing that imbalance and empowering to an extent, any China manufacturing competitors. His idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea. It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area. I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing. I'm again guessing but I expect there will be an initial positive response to his policies from investment into the USA and already the markets seem to agree. That may be followed by a period of poorer performance as the "gap" between investment and actual production comes to the fore and China fight-back efforts have some effect. There followed by a period of better performance as some of the policies start to bare physical fruit. I reckon Trump will accordingly see a 12 month honeymoon period, followed by a couple of tougher years, including an over-due market correction, before ending with a better performance towards the end of his term. The legacy left wing media will focus on the tougher years of his term and Trump will focus on the "poo" in his opinion he was left by Biden/Hariss and the improving economic outlook towards the back end. The media circus goes into the new election rhetoric media cycle and around we go. That's my crystal ball guess. lol I hope so, but Trump has historically been a lazy president. He's all about the signing ceremony and getting all the credit without actually following through, like the wall, his "fixing" the health system etc. But I hope you're right. Trump makes the announcement and then heads out to the golf course. The 2025 project removes the framework that gets things done. Replacing all the civil servants with political hacks will do the type of damage that takes decades to recover from. The only bright light is that the departments will likely not be functional enough to enact Trump's policies.

funniest crap ever written  ;D ;D ;D

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 6:25pm: goosecat wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 5:22pm: It will be a combination as always. Some importers will try to pass the full cost on and for some items that will work. For others  the public wont buy as much at the price etc. Some importers will "wear" some of the cost. Some will source elsewhere. Some will demand China suppliers/exporters lower cost to the US importers to cover and some will be combinations of all etc. An element of China to USA products will initially have to lower prices to USA importers to move existing stock and pipeline. Exactly how much and how many products, I suspect no-one actually knows, including "economists". It will of course have flow on effects for China production pipelines, (businesses, workers, financial institutions) and economy. I see. You're onto the importers. Now you're talking. Oh, economists know alright. They're saying it'll add to inflation. A 20% tax doesn't just disappear, Goose. You don't get to "demand" your way out of it. When Australia enforced GST on foreign platforms like eBay and Amazon, prices automatically went up by 10%, just like that. No bargaining, no price reductions, no demands on suppliers. Tariffs are effectively a consumption tax. So consume the local alternative. Buy your kids a job - remember that one?

So why is your DL ordering his caps from Chi-na?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:10pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 8:31pm: goosecat wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:56pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 1:19pm: If Trump were to implement tariffs on all imports, it would increase the cost of imported goods, which could encourage people to buy domestically produced alternatives. However, whether there are viable local alternatives depends on the product and industry. For some goods, especially agricultural products and basic manufactured items, local alternatives might be available or could be ramped up relatively quickly. However, for more complex items like electronics, machinery, or specialized components, it would be challenging to find or establish equivalent local production in the short term. The U.S. has a significant manufacturing base, but certain industries rely heavily on global supply chains due to cost efficiencies, technological expertise, or raw material availability. In the short to medium term, widespread tariffs will lead to higher prices and limited availability for certain products, as local producers would need time and investment to scale up or shift production. The effectiveness of domestic substitutes would also depend on the ability of local industries to meet demand at a competitive quality and price. Hence, if Trump doesn't FIRST fix the local manufacturing base, something that is deeply ideologically opposed by the Republican Party, champions of deregulation and "let the free market decide" in the short and medium term Americans will be forced to pay more for all the products they need either because all or part of them is produced overseas. This is what you backed and what the people chose... Only guessing but I suspect Trump is well aware there is going to be a gap in the timeline of increasing USA production enough to cover as many products as he would like and demand. I suspect he hopes China will initially respond by having to lower prices into USA to cover. He is targeting them specifically more than any competitors. I suspect he hopes to achieve a 2 pronged attack on the China trade imbalance by reducing that imbalance and empowering to an extent, any China manufacturing competitors. His idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea. It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area. I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing. I'm again guessing but I expect there will be an initial positive response to his policies from investment into the USA and already the markets seem to agree. That may be followed by a period of poorer performance as the "gap" between investment and actual production comes to the fore and China fight-back efforts have some effect. There followed by a period of better performance as some of the policies start to bare physical fruit. I reckon Trump will accordingly see a 12 month honeymoon period, followed by a couple of tougher years, including an over-due market correction, before ending with a better performance towards the end of his term. The legacy left wing media will focus on the tougher years of his term and Trump will focus on the "poo" in his opinion he was left by Biden/Hariss and the improving economic outlook towards the back end. The media circus goes into the new election rhetoric media cycle and around we go. That's my crystal ball guess. lol I hope so, but Trump has historically been a lazy president. He's all about the signing ceremony and getting all the credit without actually following through, like the wall, his "fixing" the health system etc. But I hope you're right. Trump makes the announcement and then heads out to the golf course. The 2025 project removes the framework that gets things done. Replacing all the civil servants with political hacks will do the type of damage that takes decades to recover from. The only bright light is that the departments will likely not be functional enough to enact Trump's policies. funniest crap ever written  ;D ;D ;D

I know, right? It's not like we need food and drug standards, airline safety or nuclear energy regulation.

Put a couple of Jan 6 protesters in. They'll have the swamp fixed in no time.

Should help with their rehabilitation too, no?

everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff

ita all about the vibe

telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to
"have a crack" at starting a business

and some will succeed

you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich

you dont get both

the figures and details mean nothing
and trump knows it
the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

How did Britain resist Germany?

With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries

The real world is not like an episode of 'Thomas the Tank' you know ... thinking you can does not automatically mean you can. At some point reality has to come into play

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries The real world is not like an episode of 'Thomas the Tank' you know ... thinking you can does not automatically mean you can. At some point reality has to come into play

Battle of Britain - 1940
US enters war - 1941
Soviet Union enters the war - 1941

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

funniest crap ever written  ;D ;D ;D

It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff ita all about the vibe telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to "have a crack" at starting a business and some will succeed you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich you dont get both the figures and details mean nothing and trump knows it the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics

This is more than a simple vibe; it's a consequential action-reaction chain.

In the short term, markets may remain stable. But if markets are all you’re focused on, you've only reinforced the arguments of those who criticise such narrow priorities.

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors, cares foremost about market optics. It's the indicator he kept pointing to throughout his whole first term, even as things were down the drain thanks to COVID.  He doesn't really care about the actual situation on the ground for his MAGA faithful.  Yet, those who elected him hoped for relief from rising living costs and economic strain.

Attempting to appease markets while executing his voter-driven agenda will ultimately come at the people's expense. The cost of living will only worsen, particularly for the very demographics that form the backbone of Trump's support. This is not what they voted for, they didn’t vote for inflated prices on goods with imported components, which includes almost everything from electronics to essentials.

They didn't vote for tax cuts for the rich and corporations, only to have to pay for it themselves via tariffs.

It’s time to stop downplaying the risks of Trump’s reckless economic plan. The simplistic assertion that "China will pay the tariffs" is unfounded; they won’t. And the idea that "tariffs will bring back manufacturing" ignores the immediate cost burdens this imposes. Reviving manufacturing through tariffs alone, without first rebuilding the domestic industry, will only make goods exorbitantly expensive. The smarter approach would involve rebuilding local manufacturing first, then protecting it with tariffs as it matures and modernises—thereby gradually enhancing efficiency and reducing the need for protectionism.

Trump’s plans have far-reaching consequences, some of which will inevitably affect us here in Australia. As our Treasury Department examines the potential fallout, the Treasurer is set to address these concerns tonight.

This is no longer a case of manipulating Truth Social stock; Trump is wielding influence over the world’s largest economy and a currency integral to global stability. The power of the U.S. economy lies in its predictability and stability, qualities Trump fundamentally lacks.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:20pm: funniest crap ever written  ;D ;D ;D It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation.

Why don't you link to this 'literal goal", then?

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries

Yep...

Aided by Hitler's gross incompetence as a military leader.

Not allowing his generals to finish off the British and French forces at Dunkirk - allowing nearly 340,000 troops to escape back to Britain.

Then his stupid double-crossing of Stalin by breaching the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and invading the Soviet Union - thus opening the war along the eastern front.

Then playing straight into Roosevelt's and Churchill's hands by declaring war on the US after the US had declared war on Japan - thus enfing all enthusiasm for US isolationism.

Hitler was Churchill's secret weapon!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 7:08am: Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries Yep... Aided by Hitler's gross incompetence as a military leader. Not allowing his generals to finish off the British and French forces at Dunkirk - allowing nearly 340,000 troops to escape back to Britain. Then his stupid double-crossing of Stalin by breaching the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and invading the Soviet Union - thus opening the war along the eastern front. Then playing straight into Roosevelt's and Churchill's hands by declaring war on the US after the US had declared war on Japan - thus enfing all enthusiasm for US isolationism. Hitler was Churchill's secret weapon!

Yay! 
Britain didn't resist Hitler! Hitler resisted Hitler!! Literally, like, brilliant!!

You've been nicking Smith's short planks. Tsk, tsk. Have a banana. Have two.

The Danes, on the other hand, capitulated in one day, allowing the Nazis to use Denmark as a platform to launch their attack on Norway.

Poofs.

I guess they liked all those German soldiers in their smart Hugo Boss uniforms.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

The Danes, on the other hand, capitulated in one day, allowing the Nazis to use Denmark as a platform to launch their attack on Norway. Poofs. I guess they liked all those German soldiers in their smart Hugo Boss uniforms.

In April 1940, German forces invaded Denmark. They didn’t meet with much resistance. Rather than suffer an inevitable defeat by fighting back, the Danish government negotiated to insulate Denmark from the occupation. In return, the Nazis agreed to be lenient with the country, respecting its rule and neutrality. However by 1943, tensions had reached a breaking point.
...
The miraculous-seeming rescue of over 90 percent of Danish Jews happened thanks to ordinary Danes, most of whom refused to accept credit for the lives they saved.

https://www.history.com/news/wwii-danish-jews-survival-holocaust

I guess that's why so many Danes are crossdressers.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am: everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff ita all about the vibe telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to "have a crack" at starting a business and some will succeed you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich you dont get both the figures and details mean nothing and trump knows it the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics This is more than a simple vibe; it's a consequential action-reaction chain. In the short term, markets may remain stable. But if markets are all you’re focused on, you've only reinforced the arguments of those who criticise such narrow priorities. Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors, cares foremost about market optics. It's the indicator he kept pointing to throughout his whole first term, even as things were down the drain thanks to COVID.  He doesn't really care about the actual situation on the ground for his MAGA faithful.  Yet, those who elected him hoped for relief from rising living costs and economic strain. Attempting to appease markets while executing his voter-driven agenda will ultimately come at the people's expense. The cost of living will only worsen, particularly for the very demographics that form the backbone of Trump's support. This is not what they voted for, they didn’t vote for inflated prices on goods with imported components, which includes almost everything from electronics to essentials. They didn't vote for tax cuts for the rich and corporations, only to have to pay for it themselves via tariffs. It’s time to stop downplaying the risks of Trump’s reckless economic plan. The simplistic assertion that "China will pay the tariffs" is unfounded; they won’t. And the idea that "tariffs will bring back manufacturing" ignores the immediate cost burdens this imposes. Reviving manufacturing through tariffs alone, without first rebuilding the domestic industry, will only make goods exorbitantly expensive. The smarter approach would involve rebuilding local manufacturing first, then protecting it with tariffs as it matures and modernises—thereby gradually enhancing efficiency and reducing the need for protectionism. Trump’s plans have far-reaching consequences, some of which will inevitably affect us here in Australia. As our Treasury Department examines the potential fallout, the Treasurer is set to address these concerns tonight. This is no longer a case of manipulating Truth Social stock; Trump is wielding influence over the world’s largest economy and a currency integral to global stability. The power of the U.S. economy lies in its predictability and stability, qualities Trump fundamentally lacks.

Good post; but aquascoot doesn't do macroeconomics - it's all down to 'personal responsibility' and a 'positive attitude', you see....

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors

Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:49am: Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'. In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people.  By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US. Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.    "personal responsibility"? Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'.  having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct

"Probably"?

What is your "perspective" on Detroit's catastrophic decline into 'rust-belt' status?

goosecat wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

[Trump's] idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea.

Correct: but mainstream economists are enamoured by "comparative advantage" and free global markets, and they fail to implement alternative quality occupations for the resulting displaced workers in the rust belt.   


Quote:

It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area.

And decoupling from the current global supply chains, 
which is very inefficient - eg,  China can produce PVs at half the price.


Quote:

I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing.

Yes, but see above.

If AGW-CO2 is real, then manufacturing will have to be alloted around the globe and determined  by non-market based  policies.

[And public debt will become unsustainable: the World Bank will have to create money out of thin air, to fund the green transition.

COP29 will show the funding can being kicked down the road, as poor countries demand the rich pay for the transition....


Quote:

I'm again guessing ..... That's my crystal ball guess. lol

Trump's only got 2 years to increase the mood in the rust belt, before he faces the mid-terms.

The crystal ball will be obsolete very soon.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff ita all about the vibe telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to "have a crack" at starting a business and some will succeed you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich you dont get both the figures and details mean nothing and trump knows it the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics

So why does your DL buy his caps, gold sneakers and Swiss-made watches from Chi-na?

He's a billionaire, right? Why doesn't he have a crack and start a hattery, a running shoe company and Swiss-watch factory? 

Thoughts?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 1:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:25pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:49am: Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'. In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people.  By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US. Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.    "personal responsibility"? Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'.  having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct "Probably"? What is your "perspective" on Detroit's catastrophic decline into 'rust-belt' status?

Easily fixed. The chodes just need to leave their basements and start manufacturing automobiles.

Quite common, it happens all the time. Look at Henry Ford.

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 7:08am: Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries The real world is not like an episode of 'Thomas the Tank' you know ... thinking you can does not automatically mean you can. At some point reality has to come into play Battle of Britain - 1940 US enters war - 1941 Soviet Union enters the war - 1941

You must be confused ... did you think Germany's war with the UK was just one battle? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get a refund dumbarse

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

Big oil gave him a bil. DL now needs to stand by his end of the bargain.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation

Maybe he can make Rex Tillerson his next energy secretary.

Mind your language, Rex. Do try to be nice this time, mkay?

DL's finally learned where Ukraine is.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 1:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:25pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:49am: Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'. In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people.  By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US. Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.    "personal responsibility"? Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'.  having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct "Probably"? What is your "perspective" on Detroit's catastrophic decline into 'rust-belt' status?

easy

tough times make strong people (the depression)
strong people make good times (the 50's)
good times make weak people (increase in debt, soft living, seeking comfort, sucking on the government titty, safetyism, entitlement, obesity and fragility)  (this has been the wests story from 1970 to the presnt)


now times are tough, the evoliutionary blowtorch is being applied, mother nature is sick of the parasitic takers who are selfish and those who dont want to contribute, work hard, risk , strive and improve will be cast aside

we can optimise for comfort (leftie socialism) or we can optomise for challenge ( rightie free markets).

mother nature DESPISES those who optomise for comfort and will dispose of them
if you are a taker, you have no business being on this planet,
go find another planet where taking is allowed

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. Big oil gave him a bil. DL now needs to stand by his end of the bargain. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation Maybe he can make Rex Tillerson his next energy secretary. Mind your language, Rex. Do try to be nice this time, mkay? DL's finally learned where Ukraine is.

:D :D :D :D

“You’ll get it on the first day,” Trump said, according to the Post, citing an unnamed dinner attendee.  ;D


Christina Polizzi of Climate Power told the Guardian that Trump was “putting the future of the planet up for sale”.  ;D


Jordan Libowitz of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (Crew), a non-partisan government watchdog, said the conversation, as reported by the Post, “certainly looks a lot like quid pro quo”.  ;D

Christina wasn't there. Nor Jordan. 


CREW? Who they? Er...
CREW aggressively targeted the Donald Trump administration, filing its first lawsuit against Trump three days after his inauguration as U.S. president.





You got anything else, son of Punjab? Or is that it?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

ita all about the vibe

What is it about you and the vibe of things?

Are you that lawyer from 'The Castle'?

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss?

How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is?

Would that be enough?

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 9:28am: John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 7:08am: Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am: How did Britain resist Germany? With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries The real world is not like an episode of 'Thomas the Tank' you know ... thinking you can does not automatically mean you can. At some point reality has to come into play Battle of Britain - 1940 US enters war - 1941 Soviet Union enters the war - 1941 You must be confused ... did you think Germany's war with the UK was just one battle? ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a refund dumbarse

He could be thinking of the Danes who waved those German soldiers through after mincing about them for one day at the border.

Then cut a deal with Hitler to have his soldiers butt-f~ck them nicely, just how they like it, if they let them in easy so they could carve up their Scandinavian Norwegian cousins.

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 9:57am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:20pm: funniest crap ever written  ;D ;D ;D It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation. Why don't you link to this 'literal goal", then?

Project 2025 envisions expanding the "Schedule F" employment classification, an idea introduced during the Trump administration, which would reclassify certain federal roles to allow easier replacement of civil servants with political appointees.

This restructuring could enable future conservative administrations to dismiss or bypass officials seen as oppositional to the president’s agenda.

The aim, according to Heritage, is to counter what they describe as "deep-state bureaucrats" and "leftist" influences within federal agencies, thus increasing executive control over civil service functions.

Project 2025 outlines a dramatic expansion of presidential power and a plan to fire as many as 50,000 government workers to replace them with Trump loyalists.

Some of the bullet points directly from the plan outline include:


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Identifying programmatic political workforce needs early and developing plans (for example, Schedule F). Maintaining a strong relationship with the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) both for operational purposes and to effectuate the President’s direct Title 5 authorities. The President is in charge of the federal workforce and exercises control principally by working through the Director of the Office of Personnel Management. Training and connecting political personnel. Playing “bad cop” in a way that other White House offices cannot (including serving as the office that takes direct responsibility for firings and hirings).

There is a lot more in the full document, but given I suspect you will just try to dismiss this and all the other answers I've given you, I'll let you find them for yourself.

Somehow I suspect 900+ pages is too much to ask of you when you're only fishing for gotchas that don't exist.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

easy tough times make strong people (the depression) strong people make good times (the 50's) good times make weak people (increase in debt, soft living, seeking comfort, sucking on the government titty, safetyism, entitlement, obesity and fragility)  (this has been the wests story from 1970 to the presnt) now times are tough, the evoliutionary blowtorch is being applied, mother nature is sick of the parasitic takers who are selfish and those who dont want to contribute, work hard, risk , strive and improve will be cast aside we can optimise for comfort (leftie socialism) or we can optomise for challenge ( rightie free markets). mother nature DESPISES those who optomise for comfort and will dispose of them if you are a taker, you have no business being on this planet, go find another planet where taking is allowed

Bloody hell.. what a word salad to start off the week.

You've really outdone yourself this time.

Oh, while I'm here...


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now times are tough, the evoliutionary blowtorch is being applied, mother nature is sick of the parasitic takers who are selfish and those who dont want to contribute, work hard, risk , strive and improve will be cast aside

I believe you have that all wrong (as usual).

I strongly suspect "Mother Nature" is sick of big business ruining the planet in the endless quest for profit.

Unfortunately, the only way "Mother Nature" can deal with this is by casting us all aside - the greedy rich and the poor alike.

And...


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mother nature DESPISES those who optomise for comfort and will dispose of them

Yes, and the greedy rich fit that description perfectly.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am: ita all about the vibe What is it about you and the vibe of things? Are you that lawyer from 'The Castle'?

;D

Maybe?

However, I'm still more inclined to go with Jed Clampett from The Beverly Hillbillies.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:22am: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 9:57am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:20pm: funniest crap ever written  ;D ;D ;D It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation. Why don't you link to this 'literal goal", then? Project 2025 envisions expanding the "Schedule F" employment classification, an idea introduced during the Trump administration, which would reclassify certain federal roles to allow easier replacement of civil servants with political appointees. This restructuring could enable future conservative administrations to dismiss or bypass officials seen as oppositional to the president’s agenda. The aim, according to Heritage, is to counter what they describe as "deep-state bureaucrats" and "leftist" influences within federal agencies, thus increasing executive control over civil service functions. Project 2025 outlines a dramatic expansion of presidential power and a plan to fire as many as 50,000 government workers to replace them with Trump loyalists. Some of the bullet points directly from the plan outline include: Quote: Identifying programmatic political workforce needs early and developing plans (for example, Schedule F). Maintaining a strong relationship with the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) both for operational purposes and to effectuate the President’s direct Title 5 authorities. The President is in charge of the federal workforce and exercises control principally by working through the Director of the Office of Personnel Management. Training and connecting political personnel. Playing “bad cop” in a way that other White House offices cannot (including serving as the office that takes direct responsibility for firings and hirings). There is a lot more in the full document, but given I suspect you will just try to dismiss this and all the other answers I've given you, I'll let you find them for yourself. Somehow I suspect 900+ pages is too much to ask of you when you're only fishing for gotchas that don't exist.

Did you read the opening paragraphs of your AP link?
Or the rest of it?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am: ita all about the vibe What is it about you and the vibe of things? Are you that lawyer from 'The Castle'?

do you think trump won based on his policies or his vibe  ;)

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss? How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is? Would that be enough?

Let's see it.

roo is quite wrong there frank

all the politicians EXCEPT trump cant move without checking with the military donors, the tech donors, the drug company donors.

Trump is about the only one who isnt paid off


Harris outraises Trump
Nearly 5-to-1 Among Last Minute Big Donors
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TOPLINE Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign has given Democrats a substantive fundraising lead, with last-minute federal filings released ahead of Election Day suggesting her campaign is maintaining a massive lead over former President Donald Trump in the final days of the race, based on the bigger donors cutting checks to each candidates’ campaigns.

The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.

While the campaigns won’t report their full finances again until after Election Day, candidates are still required to report donations of $1,000 or above to the FEC within 48 hours—which are largely breaking for Harris, whose campaign raised $19.5 million from bigger donors between Oct. 17 and Nov. 1, as compared with only $4.5 million for Trump.

The Harris campaign raised $97.2 million in the first half of October alone, while the Trump campaign raised only $16.2 million, after Harris shook up what was previously a more evenly matched cash race (Biden and Trump had raised $284.1 million and $217.2 million in total as of the end of June, respectively).

The Harris Victory Fund—which raises money for both Harris’ campaign and Democratic groups—raised $1.2 billion this election cycle, according to a FEC filing released on Oct. 24.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/


For 2022 Mid-terms alone George Soros spent 128 million on the Democrats
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-george-soros-midterms-biggest-donor-1757801

$708 Million: This Is How Much George Soros Spent On The Democrats In One Year Alone

Source: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/708-million-how-much-george-soros-spent-politics-one-year-alone-167068

goosecat wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively. While the campaigns won’t report their full finances again until after Election Day, candidates are still required to report donations of $1,000 or above to the FEC within 48 hours—which are largely breaking for Harris, whose campaign raised $19.5 million from bigger donors between Oct. 17 and Nov. 1, as compared with only $4.5 million for Trump. The Harris campaign raised $97.2 million in the first half of October alone, while the Trump campaign raised only $16.2 million, after Harris shook up what was previously a more evenly matched cash race (Biden and Trump had raised $284.1 million and $217.2 million in total as of the end of June, respectively). The Harris Victory Fund—which raises money for both Harris’ campaign and Democratic groups—raised $1.2 billion this election cycle, according to a FEC filing released on Oct. 24. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/

thanks goose

that settles who is "indebted to donors"

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am: ita all about the vibe What is it about you and the vibe of things? Are you that lawyer from 'The Castle'? do you think trump won based on his policies or his vibe  ;)

I think it will be something debated for decades!

But, having said that, his policy sells were mad... Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs... drill, baby, drill... leave home a boy, come home a girl... They're eating the dogs... we'll be deporting 20 million illegals (where to, unknown)... &etc...

So, you could be right... Yanks are the dumbest c~nts in the Anglosphere so, 'the vibe' has got something going for it.

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:12pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. Big oil gave him a bil. DL now needs to stand by his end of the bargain. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation Maybe he can make Rex Tillerson his next energy secretary. Mind your language, Rex. Do try to be nice this time, mkay? DL's finally learned where Ukraine is. :D :D :D :D “You’ll get it on the first day,” Trump said, according to the Post, citing an unnamed dinner attendee.  ;D Christina Polizzi of Climate Power told the Guardian that Trump was “putting the future of the planet up for sale”.  ;D Jordan Libowitz of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (Crew), a non-partisan government watchdog, said the conversation, as reported by the Post, “certainly looks a lot like quid pro quo”.  ;D Christina wasn't there. Nor Jordan.  CREW? Who they? Er... CREW aggressively targeted the Donald Trump administration, filing its first lawsuit against Trump three days after his inauguration as U.S. president. You got anything else, son of Punjab? Or is that it?

Anything else?

Other than a publicly stated quid pro quo deal to hand over the Department of Energy in return for $1 bil worth of campaign funds?

Gee, old boy, that's a hard one. Does offering Elon a job in return for $1 million dollars a day in prize money for the base?

Imagine if Sleepy Joe and Hunter got up to that sort of Deep State RIGGING. You'd have a right old meltdown. You'd be so toosh, you'd, you'd - oh.

You'd never vote for him again.

Too bad so sad, no?

the vibe

---

as a reality tv star,

donald was far better qualified to win an election then a mere 'politician" ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

the vibe

Yep! Wet cocks, moonshine, hillbilly heroin and meth... Appalachian MAGA heaven.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:

as a reality tv star, donald was far better qualified to win an election then a mere 'politician" ;)

Yep... Now all he needs is the running-a-country bit sorted and he's done.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am: ita all about the vibe What is it about you and the vibe of things? Are you that lawyer from 'The Castle'? do you think trump won based on his policies or his vibe  ;) I think it will be something debated for decades! But, having said that, his policy sells were mad... Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs... drill, baby, drill... leave home a boy, come home a girl... They're eating the dogs... we'll be deporting 20 million illegals (where to, unknown)... &etc... So, you could be right... Yanks are the dumbest c~nts in the Anglosphere so, 'the vibe' has got something going for it.

How very dare you. Never!

No, there's a whole bunch of members here. So dumb they'll watch their DL rip through the Australian economy too, giggling while they go.

The pertinent thing about this election isn't just America, dear. It's the Murdoch business model and it's echo chamber.

It may well bring down Western civilisation as we know it.

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

It may well bring down Western civilisation as we know it.

Ah, so that's where the Hitler angle comes in.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:30pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:21pm: the vibe Yep! Wet cocks, moonshine, hillbilly heroin and meth... Appalachian MAGA heaven.

Yes, but DL's solution is to punish Chi-na. The CCP will stop sending in their meth and fentanyl on Day 1, you'll see.

Those hillbillies will get so desperate for a hit, they'll create their own labs.

We will make America great again, no?

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:30pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:21pm: the vibe Yep! Wet cocks, moonshine, hillbilly heroin and meth... Appalachian MAGA heaven. Yes, but DL's solution is to punish Chi-na. The CCP will stop sending in their meth and fentanyl on Day 1, you'll see. Those hillbillies will get so desperate for a hit, they'll create their own labs. We will make America great again, no?

So, just solved the Appalachian unemployment epidemic in a day.

Maybe Trump is a genius.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:34pm: It may well bring down Western civilisation as we know it. Ah, so that's where the Hitler angle comes in.

What Karmala said about DL was unforgivable. How dare she reference Milley, Kelly and JD?

He'll have her locked up before his crowds can even start the chant. He'll crush the Enemy Within.

He means this in the most democratic possible way, no?

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:39pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:34pm: It may well bring down Western civilisation as we know it. Ah, so that's where the Hitler angle comes in. What Karmala said about DL was unforgivable. How dare she reference Milley, Kelly and JD? He'll have her locked up before his crowds can even start the chant. He'll crush the Enemy Within. He means this in the most democratic possible way, no?

Dunno why she needed to c~nt on about Hitler...

What about Franco, Pinochet or any one of a basket case of South American right-wing dictators installed by the CIA? These poor dead c~nts never catch a break in the collective memory.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:30pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:21pm: the vibe Yep! Wet cocks, moonshine, hillbilly heroin and meth... Appalachian MAGA heaven. Yes, but DL's solution is to punish Chi-na. The CCP will stop sending in their meth and fentanyl on Day 1, you'll see. Those hillbillies will get so desperate for a hit, they'll create their own labs. We will make America great again, no? So, just solved the Appalachian unemployment epidemic in a day. Maybe Trump is a genius.

Might as well, Meister. It's not like they're going to take up production line jobs in all those new factories he'll build.

Chodes, lives of pure garbage.

No, the good thing about moving manufacturing back onshore is all the cheap labour he'll need to import. Now that he knows who the Beaners vote for, he'll be opening up the gates.

All he has to do is overturn Obamacare, put RFK Jnr in charge of the CDC and let the chodes die off.

Thanks for the votes, chodes.

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:18pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:12pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. Big oil gave him a bil. DL now needs to stand by his end of the bargain. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation Maybe he can make Rex Tillerson his next energy secretary. Mind your language, Rex. Do try to be nice this time, mkay? DL's finally learned where Ukraine is. :D :D :D :D “You’ll get it on the first day,” Trump said, according to the Post, citing an unnamed dinner attendee.  ;D Christina Polizzi of Climate Power told the Guardian that Trump was “putting the future of the planet up for sale”.  ;D Jordan Libowitz of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (Crew), a non-partisan government watchdog, said the conversation, as reported by the Post, “certainly looks a lot like quid pro quo”.  ;D Christina wasn't there. Nor Jordan.  CREW? Who they? Er... CREW aggressively targeted the Donald Trump administration, filing its first lawsuit against Trump three days after his inauguration as U.S. president. You got anything else, son of Punjab? Or is that it? Anything else? Other than a publicly stated quid pro quo deal to hand over the Department of Energy in return for $1 bil worth of campaign funds?

Publicly stated by unnamed sources, according to WaPo (proprietor Bezos) and... er.... That's it!

Ain't Pakistan great?!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:47pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:39pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:34pm: It may well bring down Western civilisation as we know it. Ah, so that's where the Hitler angle comes in. What Karmala said about DL was unforgivable. How dare she reference Milley, Kelly and JD? He'll have her locked up before his crowds can even start the chant. He'll crush the Enemy Within. He means this in the most democratic possible way, no? Dunno why she needed to c~nt on about Hitler... What about Franco, Pinochet or any one of a basket case of South American right-wing dictators installed by the CIA? These poor dead c~nts never catch a break in the collective memory.

We can see you bozos squirm, you know...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:22pm: as a reality tv star, donald was far better qualified to win an election then a mere 'politician" ;) Yep... Now all he needs is the running-a-country bit sorted and he's done.

country runs itself

the less washington interference, the more prosperity the people generate

the next amendment to the constitution

we the people would like you to leave us alone  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 7:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:32pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 6:22pm: as a reality tv star, donald was far better qualified to win an election then a mere 'politician" ;) Yep... Now all he needs is the running-a-country bit sorted and he's done. country runs itself the less washington interference, the more prosperity the people generate the next amendment to the constitution we the people would like you to leave us alone  ;)

Righto! Maybe that's what he meant by not needing to vote again if he's elected.

Good for Australia? Is the question we should be asking...

Not so much about Appalachian crackheads getting off on not having to see Hispanics labouring in growing fields...

Even watching people work buggers them for the day.

Grab that economy by the pussy and it will squeal out what you want ...

Like most such things - these are broad statements of what the incumbent would like to see happen - a sort of social budget that may or may not eventuate...

Same as here - restoring the US economy to a level of fair prosperity for all (not equally etc) is a very complex thing involving many issues and inputs.... illegal immigrants for example are often underpaid so their impact is not really very big... if those who grab them as serfs could no longer do so, they would likely just ditch those 'jobs'. ... immigration legit also has its problems - as we all know... especially mass immigration... e.g. bringing in masses of people to cater to 'the growing aging sector' is a stop-gap for the simple reason that all of those people will age, along with bringing in their aging family members, so the whole thing will just top up and overflow again all over, but on a larger scale.  Same with every other aspect of the eekonomy... housing, jobs and thus wages, social advantage/disadvantage, impact on infrastructure, land use... you name it.... it goes on and on....

Which is why the Grappler Plan is to halt mass immigration and restrict it to genuine asylum seekers (including those who may arrive here by boat - there is no order of precedence of ways in which an asylum seeker can make nationfall and claim asylum - all they need to do is.... make nationfall at an embassy or ship of the nation at sea or..... by boat...), and then rebuild the economic and physical infrastructure of this nation to suit the needs of its current population.... and not by building Hong Kong style shoddy future vertical slums and drug lord runs....

Part of the Grappler Plan is land reserved in perpetuity for agriculture etc, and for native animal habitats.  When I win Powerball my aim is to establish one of the latter. Part of it is developing fast connection for mass goods movement, along with industry buildup near resources and using the latest technologies that are far less polluting.  Graduated immigration of genuine skilled persons to fill shortages is always on the cards... but we don't need any or many paddy rice experts.

To achieve all that we need to take back the farm.... and the asylum.... and that means we need a different way of handling our governance.  As things stand, we are rapidly falling under the direct control of a despotic minded group - either of the slight right or of the lunatic left - but both looking at the same end result - their hegemony and that of their Chosen Ones, all in control over the masses - the peons.

We need a government OF the people, BY the people.... and FOR the people first and foremost - and I don't mean an American style republic.  We're smart enough in this asylum to design our OWN republic!!!

Vote 1 - Grappler Party! We ARE The People!!

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

the vibe

Mrs Scoot's on strike, is she? You're stuck downloading MAGA porn. You're in the doghouse, you naughty old thing, and that's okay.

You should apologize, whatever it is you've done.

Now, back to the Economic Foundational Basis, Australia exports iron ore to Chi-na. Chi-na exports steel to Uncle. If Uncle screws Chi-na, we're FUCKED.

All good. You enjoy your Kool aid. Australia can BURN BABY BURN.

I'd ask Mrs Scoot to give you a handjob. She won't mind if you watch MAGA porn while she goes to work, I'm sure.

Self reliance, innit. He upon the "narrow road". Not so much a man. We will make America great.

And therein lies the problem.

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss? How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is? Would that be enough? Let's see it.

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Trump says he has ‘no choice’ but to back EVs after Musk endorsement Ex-president, who previously denigrated electric vehicles, says they are suitable for a ‘small slice’ of the population Donald Trump has for months denigrated electric vehicles, arguing their supporters should “rot in hell” and that assisting the nascent industry is “lunacy”. He now appears to have somewhat shifted his view thanks to the support of Elon Musk, the world’s richest person. “I’m for electric cars, I have to be because Elon endorsed me very strongly,” Trump, the Republican nominee for US president, told supporters at a rally in Atlanta, Georgia, on Saturday. The transactional nature of this relationship with Musk was made clear by the former president and convicted business fraudster, however. “So I have no choice,” said Trump, who then went on to say that electric vehicles were suitable for a “small slice” of the population and that “you want every type of car imaginable” to be available. Link

I can get you the video if you like.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:01pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss? How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is? Would that be enough? Let's see it. Quote: Trump says he has ‘no choice’ but to back EVs after Musk endorsement Ex-president, who previously denigrated electric vehicles, says they are suitable for a ‘small slice’ of the population Donald Trump has for months denigrated electric vehicles, arguing their supporters should “rot in hell” and that assisting the nascent industry is “lunacy”. He now appears to have somewhat shifted his view thanks to the support of Elon Musk, the world’s richest person. “I’m for electric cars, I have to be because Elon endorsed me very strongly,” Trump, the Republican nominee for US president, told supporters at a rally in Atlanta, Georgia, on Saturday. The transactional nature of this relationship with Musk was made clear by the former president and convicted business fraudster, however. “So I have no choice,” said Trump, who then went on to say that electric vehicles were suitable for a “small slice” of the population and that “you want every type of car imaginable” to be available. Link I can get you the video if you like.

;D ;D ;D

yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 12:40pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:01pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss? How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is? Would that be enough? Let's see it. Quote: Trump says he has ‘no choice’ but to back EVs after Musk endorsement Ex-president, who previously denigrated electric vehicles, says they are suitable for a ‘small slice’ of the population Donald Trump has for months denigrated electric vehicles, arguing their supporters should “rot in hell” and that assisting the nascent industry is “lunacy”. He now appears to have somewhat shifted his view thanks to the support of Elon Musk, the world’s richest person. “I’m for electric cars, I have to be because Elon endorsed me very strongly,” Trump, the Republican nominee for US president, told supporters at a rally in Atlanta, Georgia, on Saturday. The transactional nature of this relationship with Musk was made clear by the former president and convicted business fraudster, however. “So I have no choice,” said Trump, who then went on to say that electric vehicles were suitable for a “small slice” of the population and that “you want every type of car imaginable” to be available. Link I can get you the video if you like. ;D ;D ;D

Video Link:
https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EEDuNkjiihRzHO-Jc3JkCX3oHLNbuz5GLJptWxMtzQkQvnr7jCn6UtjxZZfY7KQIiXgoKIdh0ut9XHJ0blng7WjimQM?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&ts=6435.99

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh

It's usually how it goes, that's why now, even if Frank ignores it, I'll ask what type of evidence he wants before I provide it.

Once less avenue to wriggle out of accountability.

Well, it would be if he ever answered the question, which he never does.

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 12:40pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:01pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am: Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors Who are they? Show us how is driven by them. What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss? How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is? Would that be enough? Let's see it. Quote: Trump says he has ‘no choice’ but to back EVs after Musk endorsement Ex-president, who previously denigrated electric vehicles, says they are suitable for a ‘small slice’ of the population Donald Trump has for months denigrated electric vehicles, arguing their supporters should “rot in hell” and that assisting the nascent industry is “lunacy”. He now appears to have somewhat shifted his view thanks to the support of Elon Musk, the world’s richest person. “I’m for electric cars, I have to be because Elon endorsed me very strongly,” Trump, the Republican nominee for US president, told supporters at a rally in Atlanta, Georgia, on Saturday. The transactional nature of this relationship with Musk was made clear by the former president and convicted business fraudster, however. “So I have no choice,” said Trump, who then went on to say that electric vehicles were suitable for a “small slice” of the population and that “you want every type of car imaginable” to be available. Link I can get you the video if you like. ;D ;D ;D

Good to see you've brought the old boy around, Sad. He's big on the facts, as you can see.

As I've always said, you just need to show them the truth - they'll get it.

Oh, some say they're a bunch of deplorables who'll lie and cheat their way into power, whatever it takes.

Not I. Intelligence and integrity, that's the old boy's motto.

He's most grateful for you setting him straight.

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh

He's a little bit naughty, that's all.

Look, if there's one thing that triggers the old boy, it's lies. He hates mendaciousness, loves truth.

Hates spinelessness, loves integrity. Hates squishy, squirming, handwringing, yeah-but-no-but reflexiveness and equivocation.

Loves - er, it's hard to say. Look, it's complicated, okay?

The old boy loves DL and that's that.

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh It's usually how it goes, that's why now, even if Frank ignores it, I'll ask what type of evidence he wants before I provide it. Once less avenue to wriggle out of accountability. Well, it would be if he ever answered the question, which he never does.

:D :D

So Granuiad. Cat is out of the bag in front of thousands as Trump 'admits' Musk endorsed him and now he says tongue in cheek that he 'has to be for EVs'. Gotcha!


https://x.com/teslaownersSV/status/1820287627633041727




In the real world:
6 Nov 2024

President-elect Donald Trump’s victory over Vice President Kamala Harris is expected to send the U.S. electric vehicle industry into a period of uncertainty.
Republicans, led by the former president, have largely condemned EVs, claiming they are being forced upon consumers and that they will ruin the U.S. automotive industry.
Trump has vowed to roll back or eliminate many vehicle emissions standards under the Environmental Protection Agency and incentives to promote production and adoption of EVs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/06/trump-reelection-what-it-means-for-evs.html

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh

hilarious

every prediction of franks came true

and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh He's a little bit naughty, that's all. Look, if there's one thing that triggers the old boy, it's lies. He hates mendaciousness, loves truth. Hates spinelessness, loves integrity. Hates squishy, squirming, handwringing, yeah-but-no-but reflexiveness and equivocation. Loves - er, it's hard to say. Look, it's complicated, okay? The old boy loves DL and that's that.

so do the majority of americans

ask gweggy who won the popular vote, the white house, the senate and congress  ;D ;D

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh It's usually how it goes, that's why now, even if Frank ignores it, I'll ask what type of evidence he wants before I provide it. Once less avenue to wriggle out of accountability. Well, it would be if he ever answered the question, which he never does.

frank answers all questions


show me where smith ever answered one  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh It's usually how it goes, that's why now, even if Frank ignores it, I'll ask what type of evidence he wants before I provide it. Once less avenue to wriggle out of accountability. Well, it would be if he ever answered the question, which he never does. frank answers all questions

Sometimes, even, when he’s not thinking about you

hi there meister

smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years

kamals posts are 95 % schizoid garbage

they arent good faith debaters

if you think they are , say so

they are part of the problem for the left

annoying like blowflies  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh hilarious every prediction of franks came true and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D

you're one of the few on here even dumber than Frank. :D

Keep shoveling horse poo, it's all you're good for

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years

Pointing out what a moron you are is my good deed for the day

John Smith wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:49pm: smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years Pointing out what a moron you are is my good deed for the day

quiet john , the adults are talking

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

hi there meister smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years kamals posts are 95 % schizoid garbage they arent good faith debaters if you think they are , say so they are part of the problem for the left annoying like blowflies  ;)

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smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years

WOW. You admitting that he does better than you Mr Pot?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:49pm: smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years Pointing out what a moron you are is my good deed for the day quiet john , the adults are talking

Just keep digging.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 3:11pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:49pm: smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years Pointing out what a moron you are is my good deed for the day quiet john , the adults are talking Just keep digging.

been a while since you contributed anything but one liners (which arent even funny) just like smith  ;)

try to think more deeply like the "superior man"

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh It's usually how it goes, that's why now, even if Frank ignores it, I'll ask what type of evidence he wants before I provide it. Once less avenue to wriggle out of accountability. Well, it would be if he ever answered the question, which he never does. :D :D So Granuiad. Cat is out of the bag in front of thousands as Trump 'admits' Musk endorsed him and now he says tongue in cheek that he 'has to be for EVs'. Gotcha! https://x.com/teslaownersSV/status/1820287627633041727 In the real world: 6 Nov 2024 President-elect Donald Trump’s victory over Vice President Kamala Harris is expected to send the U.S. electric vehicle industry into a period of uncertainty. Republicans, led by the former president, have largely condemned EVs, claiming they are being forced upon consumers and that they will ruin the U.S. automotive industry. Trump has vowed to roll back or eliminate many vehicle emissions standards under the Environmental Protection Agency and incentives to promote production and adoption of EVs. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/06/trump-reelection-what-it-means-for-evs.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWdNLnyXsAEnn3n.jpg

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:49pm: smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years Pointing out what a moron you are is my good deed for the day quiet john , the adults are talking

and you want to eavesdrop? Bad manners horseboy

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh hilarious every prediction of franks came true and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D

All Fwank pwedicted was the leftards WIGGING the ewection.

As for you, you predicted a Karmala win. Desanctis for 2028, remember?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

hi there meister smith has not contributed a sensible post in 10 years kamals posts are 95 % schizoid garbage they arent good faith debaters if you think they are , say so they are part of the problem for the left annoying like blowflies  ;)

Just so. How can you even enter into a reasonable debate with such liars?

They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, they're stealing our pets.

Our children are going to school a boy, and coming home a girl.

They're emptying out their prisons, mental hospitals and worse, their mental asylums.

They're being put up in five star hotels - violent criminals, rapists, murderers, the worst of the worst.

Crime at levels we've never seen before, the economy's never been so bad, maybe ever.

They're predicting a new Great Depression worse than 1929. If she gets in, America's finished.

Karmala's looking out for they/them, the big fella's looking out for you.

You?

You.

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 5:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:26pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh hilarious every prediction of franks came true and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D All Fwank pwedicted was the leftards WIGGING the ewection. As for you, you predicted a Karmala win. Desanctis for 2028, remember?

  absolutely
i even backed harris
i thought harris was ok


i completely underestimated the hatred millions of americans have for people like you gweg and smith  :D :D

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 3:43pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWdNLnyXsAEnn3n.jpg

Not at all.
You TDS kids twist and distort every utterance. Liz Chaney to be execute? Echo chamber BS but you mongs have a whole thread on it.

Trump say something tongue in cheek in front of thousands - it' becomes a Granuiad headline of 'admitting' pressure to bow to donors.

Jejune, obsessive-compulsive gotcha merchants.

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

... Trump say something tongue in cheek ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWdNLnyXsAEnn3n.jpg

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 5:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 5:06pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:26pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh hilarious every prediction of franks came true and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D All Fwank pwedicted was the leftards WIGGING the ewection. As for you, you predicted a Karmala win. Desanctis for 2028, remember?   absolutely i even backed harris i thought harris was ok i completely underestimated the hatred millions of americans have for people like you gweg and smith  :D :D

Oh, I see. The real Americans voted against Greggery and silly old moi, did they?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Who do you think Liz Cheney voted for, dear? Or General Mark Milley? Or Mike Kelly?

How about the "noble Stanley McCrystal"?

Thoughts?

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 5:06pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:26pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh hilarious every prediction of franks came true and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D All Fwank pwedicted was the leftards WIGGING the ewection. As for you, you predicted a Karmala win. Desanctis for 2028, remember?   absolutely i even backed harris i thought harris was ok i completely underestimated the hatred millions of americans have for people like you gweg and smith  :D :D Oh, I see. The real Americans voted against Greggery and silly old moi, did they? Shurely shome mishtake. Who do you think Liz Cheney voted for, dear? Or General Mark Milley? Or Mike Kelly? How about the "noble Stanley McCrystal"? Thoughts?

you  gweggy smith and your clones at ozpol are clones of the smug people on CNN, in hollywood, on the view, at the leftie universities.

i thought most americans just watched the NFL  but no
they find that archetype really offensive

they love their country and are so sick of the leftie intellectuals. they got off their couches and went and voted for donny

and millions of other latino and black men and white women find your archetype so "uninspiring" that they decided to stay home. i guess you make them kind of nauseated (you leftie intellectual types).

yes, i underestimated how much people despise the new left.

i dont think they like trump (he's not that likeable) but they sure hate your type  :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 6:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 5:54pm: ... Trump say something tongue in cheek ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWdNLnyXsAEnn3n.jpg

No no, Greggery, you're missing the point. Mr Trump didn't say anything of the kind.

Oh? Well, he didn't mean it.

Okay, he might have meant it, but what are you supposed to say? They have to say stuff like that.

Yes, I know no one else said it, but that's the genius of it, don't you see? Four dimensional chess, innit.

Look, they all say stuff like that. They're all as bad as each other.

No, he's not bad, the others are.

Okay! I know no one else said it, but they would if they were honest. You know they want to.

So? It might not be true, but it's the thought that counts.

Sorry, what did he say again?

Nonsense. He never said that.

Okay, but he never meant it.

Yes, but...

Look, stop being so mean!

aquascoot wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 6:59pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 5:06pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 2:26pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 12th, 2024 at 1:04pm: yes, it's funny how easy it is to make frank look stupid .. even he can't help but laugh hilarious every prediction of franks came true and the lefties have shown themselves to be completely out of touch  ;D ;D All Fwank pwedicted was the leftards WIGGING the ewection. As for you, you predicted a Karmala win. Desanctis for 2028, remember?   absolutely i even backed harris i thought harris was ok i completely underestimated the hatred millions of americans have for people like you gweg and smith  :D :D Oh, I see. The real Americans voted against Greggery and silly old moi, did they? Shurely shome mishtake. Who do you think Liz Cheney voted for, dear? Or General Mark Milley? Or Mike Kelly? How about the "noble Stanley McCrystal"? Thoughts? you  gweggy smith and your clones at ozpol are clones of the smug people on CNN, in hollywood, on the view, at the leftie universities. i thought most americans just watched the NFL  but no they find that archetype really offensive they love their country and are so sick of the leftie intellectuals. they got off their couches and went and voted for donny and millions of other latino and black men and white women find your archetype so "uninspiring" that they decided to stay home. i guess you make them kind of nauseated (you leftie intellectual types). yes, i underestimated how much people despise the new left. i dont think they like trump (he's not that likeable) but they sure hate your type  :)

Don't want to say, eh?

No worries. Who did John Bolton vote for?  Rex Tillerson? Chris Christie?

All card-carrying "noble righties", all worked for the big fella. Sheesh, Chris ran the media strategy in his first campaign. John ran his entire security strategy. Rex cut a over quarter of staff from the State Dept. All worked free of charge - they didn't get paid a cent.

Who did they vote for?

If you don't want to say, all good.

Please explain?