UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war

NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today.

“Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.”

Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians.

“Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said.

cont'd :

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

it is a health measure

they had an obesity epodemic

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What utter rubbish.  There is no Israeli genocide against Gazans - they have caught themselves in a war zone and are suffering the results of doing that.  They cheered and danced when Israeli people were murdered, and girls and women raped and beaten to death or butchered... millions of them have availed themselves of the opportunity provided by Israel to evacuate - despite threats and even murders of some seeking to do so, by Hamas itself.

The UN has turned itself into a gutter filled with the whining of every Judeophobe in this world and is licking the nuts of terrorists and mass murderers instead of holding itself high as a fount of human decency, justice and fairness.  It has become the lowest of its members ... proof that introducing faecal water into pure water results in every part of that water being polluted.

Time some of these 'members' were sent packing, and time for a full review of what exactly the UN has become.

Then there is the craven approach of AlboCorp and the Wong Way of sucking the nuts of the vilest invaders and mass terrorist murderers in recent history, while criticising the legitimate attempts of a small nation to defend its own people from genocide, and all while lying through their teeth about their idea of a 'Two State Solution' - something Israel has promoted and pursued for years now - with the 'official' line of the UN requiring that Israel essentially capitulate to those who started and continue this war, and cease de-militarisation of the areas that have violated its territory and its people for years.

All that without offering cast iron guarantees of a peaceful and UN controlled de-militarised Gaza and Lebanon Strip held by Hezbollah.

If the Old Girl and I pack up this house and she goes into a care place - I'm off to Israel - me and my li'l friends Mr Springfield and Mr Modernscope.  Some hate the M-14 - used properly it is a beaut.  Think of a 7.62 NATO round, range out to 2000 yards plus, and a scope equal to or better than the scope sight on the M-4.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

What utter rubbish. There is no Israeli genocide against Gazans -      they have caught themselves in a war zone      and are suffering the results of doing that.

WWW search....
80% of gazans supported oct 7 attack


In December, 2023,     "Seventy-two percent of " local Palestinians
"said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel
was "correct" given its outcome so far,"

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Quote:

Poll shows Palestinians back Oct. 7 attack on Israel, support for Hamas rises By Reuters           December 14, 2023 JERUSALEM, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found. The Palestinian Center for Policy Survey and Research (PCPSR) findings were published as international alarm grows over the spiralling Palestinian civilian toll in the Israeli counter-offensive against Hamas, now in its third month. Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer. Hamas, which is sworn to Israel's destruction, has ruled Gaza since splitting with the Palestinian Authority (PA) in 2007. The PA exercises limited governance in the West Bank. ......

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

[the whole article is just a click away.]



IMO, the only reason [the ISLAMIST] Hamas now want a ceasefire,
is to somehow, avoid a total destruction of its own ranks.
.....if they can.

So that they can 'rebuild Gaza' and rearm,
.......and then wait for a future opportunity,
to 'wipe out the Zionist state.'



If HAMAS truly want a cessation of hostilities, in Gaza....
then that is certainly achievable.

But HAMAS must agree,
         1/ to return all of the hostages HAMAS is still holding,
         2/ and agree to lay down their arms, and to end all of their attacks upon Israel.

......or, HAMAS can choose to keep fighting,       .....and bare the responsibility,
for the consequences [upon Gazans],
of their attack upon Israel, on Oct 7, 2023.


.


"A war never ends by one side declaring victory, but by one side admitting defeat."
- Ahmad Shah Massoud

Respect.


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"There Can Be No End to Jihad"
- Omar Bakri Muhammad

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1731210971/0#0

part of a search page return.......



Quote:

Polls Show Palestinians Overwhelmingly Support Hamas ... Reddit · r/geopolitics 470+ comments · 5 months ago There's also a disparity between stated support for October 7th (71%), support for armed struggle (46%), and the 30% who say they would vote for ... Palestinian Poll On Support for 10/7 Attacks - Reddit     17 Nov 2023 Palestinians overwhelmingly support October 7th : r/Destiny     16 Nov 2023 Is there any reliable/sourced information of how many ... - Reddit     9 Nov 2023 75% of Palestinians are in favor of the 7th of October ... - Reddit     13 Mar 2024

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

Don't murder, rape Jews and you won't get 'genocided'(!) in return.
If you don't want Israel to to HIT BACK HARD, don't start a fight.

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 4:39pm: UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide Don't murder, rape Jews and you won't get 'genocided'(!) in return. If you don't want Israel to to HIT BACK HARD, don't start a fight.

Really, what do you expect?

If you force people off their land, where they have lived for generation after generation, corral them into a ghetto, humiliate them far worse than apartheid South Africa ever did, bomb them with illegal chemical weapons, weapons which are banned under international law and which no civilized nation would ever dream of using, then of course they're going to rebel.

Wouldn't you?

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 17^th, 2024 at 8:27pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 9:52am: wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 4:39pm: UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide Don't murder, rape Jews and you won't get 'genocided'(!) in return. If you don't want Israel to to HIT BACK HARD, don't start a fight. Really, what do you expect? If you force people off their land, where they have lived for generation after generation, corral them into a ghetto, humiliate them far worse than apartheid South Africa ever did, bomb them with illegal chemical weapons, weapons which are banned under international law and which no civilized nation would ever dream of using, then of course they're going to rebel. Wouldn't you?

Incontinent hyperbole. Totally over the top.



The West Bank and Gaza together had 14 universities, an open university for distance learning, 18 university colleges and 20 community colleges.
A recent survey conducted in Palestine concluded that the prevalence of overweight and obesity is 23.6 and 19.5% in the Gaza Strip and 26.1% in the West Bank.




Gazans decided to be led and governed by a proscribed international terrorist organisation, Hamas. They chose them freely and stuck with them for almost 20 years. That is like electing ISIS.

Hamas has carried out COUNTLESS suicide and rocket attacks against Israel.  They have assassinated countless PALESTINIAN political rivals.
A bunch of chubby, nasty bastards. Hanging's too good for 'em.

Do not listen to this. Way too sensible.


https://x.com/CherylWroteIt/status/1858602496819867709

Quote:

Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'

And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that.

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 10:33am:

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 8:27pm: Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 9:52am: wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 4:39pm: UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide Don't murder, rape Jews and you won't get 'genocided'(!) in return. If you don't want Israel to to HIT BACK HARD, don't start a fight. Really, what do you expect? If you force people off their land, where they have lived for generation after generation, corral them into a ghetto, humiliate them far worse than apartheid South Africa ever did, bomb them with illegal chemical weapons, weapons which are banned under international law and which no civilized nation would ever dream of using, then of course they're going to rebel. Wouldn't you? Incontinent hyperbole. Totally over the top.

No it isn't. Those are the facts. That is what has happened. Denying that shows how deluded you are.


Quote:

The West Bank and Gaza together had 14 universities, an open university for distance learning, 18 university colleges and 20 community colleges. A recent survey conducted in Palestine concluded that the prevalence of overweight and obesity is 23.6 and 19.5% in the Gaza Strip and 26.1% in the West Bank.

Even if that were so, in no way does it negate or compensate for the continued violation of their basic human right to self-determination.



Quote:

Gazans decided to be led and governed by a proscribed international terrorist organisation, Hamas. They chose them freely and stuck with them for almost 20 years. That is like electing ISIS. Hamas has carried out COUNTLESS suicide and rocket attacks against Israel.  They have assassinated countless PALESTINIAN political rivals. A bunch of chubby, nasty bastards. Hanging's too good for 'em.

Don't forget that Israel played a major part in the creation of Hamas.

And also don't forget that the Palestinian right to resistance, which includes armed struggle, is enshrined in international law:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349

Dnarever wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 7:37pm:

Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that.

That's a big plus:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1729682185

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 20^th, 2024 at 3:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. That's a big plus: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1729682185

The killing must end.
It’s totally out of proportion now.
I can only hope Trump finds away

Very lucid account of how HAMAS is conducting its asymmetrical warfare.


IN THIS SHORT VIDEO.....
Gives a good insight, into   >> who <<   HAMAS is willing to sacrifice,
in its very 'popular' war with Israel [i.e. popular among all devout moslems ***].

asymmetrical warfare = = how a weak force will conduct itself, against a much stronger opponent, in wartime.




Compelling watch         --------- >

Military Expert Debunks Gaza "Genocide" - Nick Freitas

09 min
2024-Nov-19  - - 329K views  1 day ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AV5jZigPm8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AV5jZigPm8


TRIGGERnometry                  https://www.youtube.com/@triggerpod


Quote:

Green Beret Combat Veteran, Nick Freitas joined us on the show.

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Proof [directly from an ISLAMIC source],
as to exactly why the 'Oct 7' incursion into Israel,
and the subsequent war between HAMAS and Israel,
is still, a very popular strategic event, among all devout moslems.


strategic = =
1 forming part of a long-term plan or aim to achieve a specific purpose.
2 relating to the gaining of overall or long-term military advantage.

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Quote:

Islamic scholar: Oct. 7 massacre ‘transformed   >> our <<   history,’ ‘children should be raised on love of jihad’ Aug 27, 2024

https://jihadwatch.org/2024/08/islamic-scholar-oct-7-massacre-transformed-our-history-children-should-be-raised-on-love-of-jihad

Dnarever wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 7:37pm:

Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that.

Nowhere near a Genocide ....

Daves2017 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:44pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. That's a big plus: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1729682185 The killing must end. It’s totally out of proportion now. I can only hope Trump finds away

Trumps stated position was to just keep out of Israels way and let them finish Palestine off as quick as possible.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20^th, 2024 at 11:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. Nowhere near a Genocide ....

Yet the UN and everyone else credible who have looked at the facts here don't agree with you.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20^th, 2024 at 11:36pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:47pm: wombatwoody wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:44pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. That's a big plus: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1729682185 The killing must end. It’s totally out of proportion now. I can only hope Trump finds away Trumps stated position was to just keep out of Israels way and let them finish Palestine off as quick as possible.

You have the quote, don't you, duckwit, you just forgot to post it. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

ICC Arrest Warrants. What's Next?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/21/netanyahu-gallant-issued-icc-arrest-warrants-for-war-crimes-whats-next

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 6:17pm:

ICC Arrest Warrants. What's Next? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/21/netanyahu-gallant-issued-icc-arrest-warrants-for-war-crimes-whats-next

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/161/725/939/original/d079dcb2283ae671.jpg

Decades of incompetent pompous U.N dealings with terrorism against Israel by the likes of Palestine and Moslem Lebanon and Co.
Decades of the U.N making Israel submit to peaceful negotiations and concessions.
Now that Israel is effectively taking charge of ridding the world of terrorist nations.
The U.N is looking completely useless and butthurt that Israel does a better job of it, than they can.
So, to save face and try to protect its own incompetence. It now issues and arrest warrant to try and make itself look like it's in charge of things and being effective.
The U.N had it's many chances and did nothing, which is why Hamas could do what it did.
Didn't see the U.N issue arrest warrants on the USA with its invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's a dirty job that Israel has to do to protect itself and the world against Terrorism, but someone has got to do it.
Because the U.N sure didn't.

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 6:17pm:

ICC Arrest Warrants. What's Next? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/21/netanyahu-gallant-issued-icc-arrest-warrants-for-war-crimes-whats-next

The arrest is next followed by the trial and the hanging at Nuremburg ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 7:22pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 6:17pm: ICC Arrest Warrants. What's Next? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/21/netanyahu-gallant-issued-icc-arrest-warrants-for-war-crimes-whats-next The arrest is next followed by the trial and the hanging at Nuremburg ;)

Yep - war criminals should be hanged.

Jasin wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 7:02pm:

Decades of incompetent pompous U.N dealings with terrorism against Israel by the likes of Palestine and Moslem Lebanon and Co. Decades of the U.N making Israel submit to peaceful negotiations and concessions. Now that Israel is effectively taking charge of ridding the world of terrorist nations. The U.N is looking completely useless and butthurt that Israel does a better job of it, than they can. So, to save face and try to protect its own incompetence. It now issues and arrest warrant to try and make itself look like it's in charge of things and being effective. The U.N had it's many chances and did nothing, which is why Hamas could do what it did. Didn't see the U.N issue arrest warrants on the USA with its invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a dirty job that Israel has to do to protect itself and the world against Terrorism, but someone has got to do it. Because the U.N sure didn't.

As shown in Reply #10, calling them 'terrorists' is deceitful.

And by defending Israel, you are supporting the right-wing fanatics in Netanyahu’s cabinet, who want to blow up Al-Aqsa, which could well lead to world war:

The Temple Mount and Israel Faithful Movement, more commonly known simply as the Temple Mount Faithful, is an extremist Orthodox Jewish movement, based in Jerusalem, whose goal is to rebuild the Third Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and re-institute the practice of ritual sacrifice.  Wikipedia


The Israeli Extremists Who Want to Rebuild the Temple, and the Government Ministers Who Back Them

They dream of rebuilding the Temple, re-instituting animal sacrifices, and a Jewish religious monopoly over one of the world's most contentious, incendiary sites, the Temple Mount/Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Arabs don't care about Palestinians. They loathe them. Their useful idiot fellow travellers don't care about the Palestinian. All they care about is their hatred of the Jews.

There was never a 'genocide protest' by Muslims or their useful idiots on Western streets when Assad was killing Arab Muslims by the thousand. When Saudis were bombing Yemenis. Nobody cared as these could not be blamed on the Jews. There were no keffiya-clad protesters on the streets or uni campuses. Nobody cared.

All they care about is their hatred of the Jews. That's the ONLY thing that brings them out onto the streets.

https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1860694884321255590

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

What a load of bollocks.

So you're another terrorist supporting POS?

The UN can get phukked and so can you.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20^th, 2024 at 11:38pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 11:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. Nowhere near a Genocide .... Yet the UN and everyone else credible who have looked at the facts here don't agree with you.

The UN has absolutely zero credibility.

It's stacked with countries who fund and/or support Islamic terrorism.

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 8:42am:

Arabs don't care about Palestinians. They loathe them. Their useful idiot fellow travellers don't care about the Palestinian. All they care about is their hatred of the Jews. There was never a 'genocide protest' by Muslims or their useful idiots on Western streets when Assad was killing Arab Muslims by the thousand. When Saudis were bombing Yemenis. Nobody cared as these could not be blamed on the Jews. There were no keffiya-clad protesters on the streets or uni campuses. Nobody cared. All they care about is their hatred of the Jews. That's the ONLY thing that brings them out onto the streets. https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1860694884321255590

100% correct

Uh-oh...

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1862166349386064337



Gaza's 2024 population is now estimated at 800,636. In 1950, the population of Gaza was 63,444. Gaza has grown by 22,449 in the last year, which represents a 2.88% annual change.
Genocide, obviously.


There is no Palestinian. There are different tribes.  If they did not have Israel as a common enemy, they would kill each other.

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1862126801671111057

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 11:38pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 11:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. Nowhere near a Genocide .... Yet the UN and everyone else credible who have looked at the facts here don't agree with you. The UN has absolutely zero credibility. It's stacked with countries who fund and/or support Islamic terrorism.

Bang bang bang - Another messenger is dead.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:53am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 11:38pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 11:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:37pm: Quote: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' And they needed a committee to come to that conclusion. You would think that the 60,000 plus dead people would be enough to show that. Nowhere near a Genocide .... Yet the UN and everyone else credible who have looked at the facts here don't agree with you. The UN has absolutely zero credibility. It's stacked with countries who fund and/or support Islamic terrorism. Bang bang bang - Another messenger is dead.

The Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and Other Arabs of the Occupied Territories is composed of three Member States: Malaysia, Senegal and Sri Lanka.


Oddly, inexplicably, there is no special committee of the UN to Investigate Palestinian Practices Affecting the Human Rights of Palestinians and Israelis.
Shurely shome overshite.

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 8:42am:

Arabs don't care about Palestinians.

Bullcrap.

The Arab American Institute conducted extensive polling across the Arab world publishing the results in the study, Arab Voices: What They Are Saying to Us, and Why it Matters, which made clear that the issue of Palestine and the rights of the Palestinians are priority concerns for Arabs from Morocco to the Arab Gulf States.

Stop believing all the hasbara.

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 4:39pm: UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide What a load of bollocks. So you're another terrorist supporting POS? The UN can get phukked and so can you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1704195763/7#7

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 7:19pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 8:42am: Arabs don't care about Palestinians. Bullcrap. The Arab American Institute conducted extensive polling across the Arab world publishing the results in the study, Arab Voices: What They Are Saying to Us, and Why it Matters, which made clear that the issue of Palestine and the rights of the Palestinians are priority concerns for Arabs from Morocco to the Arab Gulf States. Stop believing all the hasbara.

As long as they don't have to take them in.


A Palestinian can become a British subject in Britain, Canada, Australia much, much faster than a subject of the king of Jordan, Saudi, or a citizen of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran.


They have been given untold treasure to build a functioning country. They spent it all on tunnels and Iranian rockets.

You cry for them.

Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

As long as they don't have to take them in.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi has said that the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, but also an attempt to push civilians to migrate to Egypt, and warned this could wreck peace in the region.

Jordan’s King Abdullah has said much the same, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”

Their concern is that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ decades-long peace treaty.


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They have been given untold treasure to build a functioning country. They spent it all on tunnels and Iranian rockets.

That's just a rehash of your same old line, which I've shown is false:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/1078#1078



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You cry for them.

‘We will carry on demonstrating as long as it takes to bring about peace and to bring about recognition of the rights of the Palestinian people that have been denied for so long’.

   -- Jeremy Corbyn

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024)

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UNRWA @UNRWA 🚨We have taken the difficult decision to pause aid delivery through Kerem Shalom. It is the main crossing point for humanitarian aid into #Gaza, and the road out of it has not been safe for months. On 16 November, a convoy of aid trucks was stolen by armed gangs. Yesterday, we tried to bring in a few food trucks and they were all taken. The responsibility to protect aid workers and supplies lies with the State of Israel as the occupying power. They must ensure aid flows into Gaza safely. https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1863194225766007211

Hamas hijacked 96 of 108 aid trucks at gunpoint then UNRWA blames Israel for this.

Those who harp on about alleged genocide never say anything about Hamas stealing the aid supplies.

Israel is the only country in the history of war that is expected to feed those who started a war with them.

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 7:46pm: As long as they don't have to take them in. Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi has said that the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, but also an attempt to push civilians to migrate to Egypt, and warned this could wreck peace in the region. Jordan’s King Abdullah has said much the same, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.” Their concern is that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ decades-long peace treaty. Quote: They have been given untold treasure to build a functioning country. They spent it all on tunnels and Iranian rockets. That's just a rehash of your same old line, which I've shown is false: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/1078#1078 [quote]You cry for them.

‘We will carry on demonstrating as long as it takes to bring about peace and to bring about recognition of the rights of the Palestinian people that have been denied for so long’.

   -- Jeremy Corbyn


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Sooooo.......   what was the purpose of October 7?
What IS the purpose of mass murder and rape of festival goers?
It demonstrates lots of things but Palestinian rights is not among them. People who perpetrate October 7 style 'demonstrations' must be defeated, not given a ****ing country as a reward.

And what is it with the silly Magic Grandpa Cornyn reference?? seriously?!

Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

There is no Palestinian.

The modern name “Palestine” is derived from the common name for the region since the end of the Bronze Age (3300–1200 BCE). Ancient Egyptian inscriptions from the 12th century BCE referred to “Peleset”, and ancient Assyrian texts referred to “Palashtu”or “Pilistu”.

The area was also called Palestine by the Greeks long before the Romans. The Greeks had called the whole region “Palestina” or some variant for centuries. In the 5th century BCE, the Greek historian Herodotus used the word “Palaistine” to refer to the region. He traveled to Palestine, and his writings speak of the land’s Arab inhabitants but not of Judea or Jews...

The Romans had also called the broader region “Syria Palaestina” prior to the Jewish revolts in the province of Judea, which was always seen as a component of this greater area of Palestine. The Roman Empire after the Bar Kohkba revolt incorporated Judea into a widened district of Palestine.

In sum, contrary to popular belief, the name “Palestine” did not originate with the Romans after it crushed the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132 CE – 136 CE. On the contrary, it is the cognate of a common name for the region predating the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judea.


A Brief History of Palestine, from Canaan through the Mandate Era:

https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2024/01/04/history-of-palestine/



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There are different tribes.

So?


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If they did not have Israel as a common enemy, they would kill each other.

You really have got no understanding of the history. Christians, Jews and Muslims had lived peacefully in that land for centuries. The problems began with the arrival of Zionist settlers around the turn of the century:



Khisas was a small village with a few hundred Muslims and one hundred Christians, who lived peacefully together in a unique topographical location in the northern part of Hula Plain... Jewish troops attacked the village on 18 December 1947, and randomly started blowing up houses in the dead of night while the occupants were still fast asleep. Fifteen villagers, including five children, were killed in the attack. The incident shocked The New York Times’ correspondent, who closely followed the unfolding events. He went and demanded an explanation from the Hagana, which at first denied the operation. When the inquisitive reporter did not let go, they eventually admitted it. Ben-Gurion issued a dramatic public apology, claiming the action had been unauthorised but, a few months later, in April, he included it in a list of successful operations.

...some of the notables and community leaders (of Haifa) had realised that the moment the UN had adopted the Partition Resolution, they were doomed to be dispossessed by their Jewish neighbours. These were people whom they themselves had first invited to come and stay with them back in the late Ottoman period, who had arrived wretched and penniless from Europe, and with whom they had shared a thriving cosmopolitan city – until that fateful decision by the UN.

  --- Prof. Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine; Chapter 4: Finalising a Master Plan


Mghar... connects the lower Galilee with the Lake of Tiberias. Here the Jewish occupying force was faced with a village where Christians, Muslims and Druze had coexisted for centuries. The military commander... executed several Muslims on the village’s piazza in front of all the villagers, which effectively ‘persuaded’ the rest to flee...

The village of Mujaydil had 2000 inhabitants, most of whom fled to Nazareth before the soldiers reached their houses. For some reason the army left these intact. In 1950, after the intervention of the Pope in Rome, the Christians were offered the opportunity to move back but refused to do so without their Muslim neighbours. Israel then destroyed half the houses and one of the village’s mosques...

The village also had a Roman Catholic church, built in 1903, which housed on its first floor a trilingual school for boys and girls (teaching was in Arabic, Italian and French). It also had a local clinic for the benefit of all the villagers...

Mujaydil was a unique place in many other aspects. Apart from its religious buildings and modern infrastructure it had a relatively large number of schools. In addition to the two schools associated with the churches, there was also a state school, the Banin School... The village’s main source of collective wealth, which supported all these impressive constructions, was a mill, built in the eighteenth century, that served the villages in the vicinity, including the people of the ‘veteran’ Jewish settlement of Nahalal.


Ibid.  Chapter 7:  The Escalation of the Cleansing Operations: June–September 1948

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:46pm:

Sooooo.......   what was the purpose of October 7?

Why have you got such a poor memory?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1698230100/13#13

And there's more, much more:


October 7th in Context

Wednesday, May 1, 2024


Hamas's unprecedented attack wasn't just some random event materializing out of thin air, as the Jewish media continually tries to portray it. Since 1948, the Palestinian people have been forced to live under a brutal military occupation and have been reduced to a rank below that of second-class citizens in their ancestral homeland. Nakba (Catastrophe) is the term used by Palestinians to describe the ethnic cleansing and murder of some 750,000 people by Zionist militias in 1948. It has come to signify the destruction of Palestinian society and the long-running rejection of the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants. Readers still hoodwinked by Israel's perpetual victim narrative are encouraged to explore the history of Israeli-instigated massacres, like those which took place in the villages of Deir Yassin, Lydda, Al-Dawayima and Abu Shusha; or the refugee camps Tel al-Zataar, Sabra and Shatila, to name just a few.

Historical grievances aside, there were a handful of recent provocations by the Israelis that were so inflammatory one has to wonder if they weren't intentionally designed to instigate a reprisal. Chief among these were a series of violent confrontations between Palestinian religious observers and Israeli police occurring at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount, in April of 2023.

Al-Aqsa is the third holiest site in Islam, after Mecca and Medina, and has been the source of considerable tension between Jews and Muslims for centuries. Jews believe it to be the site upon which stood their Second Temple before it was destroyed by Roman emperor Titus during his siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD... One of Israel's religious ambitions is to demolish the Al-Aqsa Mosque and rebuild their third and final temple on the site, heralding the arrival of their long-awaited Messiah.

In early April 2023, there were widespread reports that Jewish extremists were planning to perform an animal sacrifice inside the Al-Aqsa compound in observation of Passover, set to begin on the night of April 4th. Indeed, Israeli police detained an individual on April 3rd attempting to do just that. Fanning the flames of an already contentious situation, the aforementioned Minister of Security Itamar Ben-Gvir, urged Jews to storm the Temple Mount in large numbers to pray, violating a long-standing status quo agreement between Jews and Muslims regulating such activities (Al-Aqsa Mosque being an Islamic site where unsolicited visits, prayers and rituals by non-Muslims are forbidden, in accordance with international agreements). The Dr. Goldstein fanboy Ben-Gvir also ordered a drastically increased police force to attend the site, which would only pour gasoline onto the volatile conflagration now beginning to rage.

On the night of April 4, a few hundred Palestinians barricaded themselves inside the Al-Aqsa Mosque after Ramadan prayers due to concern that Jewish extremists intended to sacrifice a goat. In response, heavily armed Israeli police raided the mosque in riot gear, firing rubber bullets and tear gas, throwing stun grenades and beating Palestinians unconscious with batons, injuring at least 50 people and arresting 400. Video of the incident quickly went viral, forcing a senior Israeli official to publicly admit the police response "went too far" -- though his true concern might've been revealed when he added that the attack "caused significant PR harm to Israel on the global stage."

Above is a short recap of but one recent provocation in what has been an ongoing saga of oppression and genocide of the Palestinian people for nearly 80 years. Many more horrific examples exist and have been thoroughly documented in dozens of exceptional books on the subject, such as God Cried by Tony Clifton and Catherine Leroy and The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.



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Questions about October 7th

Hamas's rudimentary military operation on October 7th still remains shrouded in mystery over half a year later. Seemingly unanswerable questions (unanswerable within the framework of the official story anyway) persist and continue to baffle those familiar with the realities of life in occupied Palestine. Thoughtful commentators have wondered how it was possible that Israel, a world leading surveillance/military powerhouse, allowed a primitive attack utilizing hang gliders, tractors, motorcycles and rubber dinghies to form right under their collective nose and to transpire for hours on end without any meaningful military response? Could it be that Israel issued a 'stand down' order, allowing the attack to happen for the purpose of justifying specific pre-planned political agendas? If so, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. (See the Lavon Affair, King David Hotel bombing, USS Liberty, 9/11, etc.)

A former IDF reserve sergeant who gave her name only as Elena, cast doubt on the official story shortly after the attack when she told the media about her past experiences monitoring the border wall separating Gaza and Israel: "There is no chance of approaching the border without being noticed...We looked at the monitor for 4 hours and saw everything that was happening there. It was impossible to even look away. And there are 400 of them. Listen, I was woken up at night when a pigeon was noticed, when a stork approached the fence, almost when a cockroach ran under the fence. And here, it turns out, they calmly overcame everything with the help of tractors? And it turns out that none of the 400 people noticed this? Yes, I'm telling you: not even a dove will fly up unnoticed."

On October 26, 2023, The Times of Israel reported on a group of IDF soldiers who, for months prior to the attack, repeatedly tried to pass information about "digging, mapping, (and) training near the fence" up their chain of command, but were completely ignored. According to the New York Times (Dec. 2, 2023), Israel knew of Hamas's plan to attack a year in advance and were even in possession of their 40-page battle plan document, codenamed 'Jericho Wall,' that was said to "uncannily mirror" what actually transpired on October 7th! More shocking still was a report in Associated Press (Dec. 1, 2023), which detailed Israel's obvious awareness of the forthcoming military operation: "The attack was planned in plain sight. A month before the assault, Hamas posted a video to social media showing fighters using explosives to blast through a replica of the border gate, sweep in on pickup trucks and then move building by building through a full-scale reconstruction of an Israeli town, firing automatic weapons at human-silhouetted targets."

In a December 5, 2023 article titled 'This Massacre Should Have Been Prevented,' Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz  reported that the Shin Bet -- Israel's domestic security agency -- and IDF military commanders discussed a possible threat to the Nova music festival mere hours before the attack, but this concern wasn't transmitted to the event's organizers. Similarly, a BBC investigation revealed that surveillance reports suggested Hamas was planning an imminent operation against Israel, but this too was ignored by senior IDF officials. Oddly enough, just two days before the music festival began, event organizers abruptly switched locations for the site after the original location in southern Israel "didn't work out."


more here:

https://revisionistview.blogspot.com/2024/05/october-7th-in-context.html

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:46pm:

What IS the purpose of mass murder

As I said in Reply 6, what do you expect?


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and rape of festival goers?

Debunked here:

In addition to the Al Jazeera report above,

The contents of the Israeli Association of Rape Crisis Center’s paper alleging “systematic” Hamas rape derive largely from discredited second-hand testimonies and debunked media reports. Among its most heavily cited sources is a dubious NY Times article that triggered a staff revolt at the paper.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1709906786/6#6

Again, why have you got such a poor memory?

Actually, it's probably not your memory, more like your ideological stance of Jews = Good; Arabs/Muslims = Bad.

Correct?

Besides, as shown in the opening paragraphs of the link in Reply 39, by defending Israel you are effectively defending a 'people' who worship mass-murderers:



On February 25, 1994, a Jewish physician and Israeli army officer from Brooklyn, New York named Baruch Goldstein, walked into the Cave of the Patriarchs mosque in Hebron armed with an assault rifle and slaughtered 29 Palestinian men, women and children while they knelt in prayer. An additional 125 people were injured in the onslaught before Goldstein was finally beaten to death while attempting to reload his weapon. This homicidal maniac was a disciple of the terrorist Israeli lawmaker Meir Kahane and strictly obeyed the commandments of 12th century rabbinic scholar Moses Maimonides, including his proscription against administering first aid to wounded or sick Gentiles (non-Jews) when doing so won't result in any hostility towards Jews. Once, after refusing to treat a Palestinian child who had been shot in the legs, Dr. Goldstein was quoted by Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot (Mar. 1, 1994) as saying, "I am not willing to treat any non-Jew. I recognize as legitimate only two authorities: Maimonides and Kahane."

It's difficult for non-Jews to fathom the depths of ethnic animosity towards 'the other' permeating the Israeli state. Both Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich -- Benjamin Netanyahu's current Ministers of National Security and Finance respectively -- are outspoken supporters of Baruch Goldstein and his 'Massacre at the Mosque.' Ben-Gvir proudly boasts that he once had a portrait of Goldstein prominently displayed within his home, and groups of Jewish settlers continue to eulogize the mass-murdering physician during annual pilgrimages to his grave. (Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh even wrote a book about him titled Baruch Hagaver --Baruch the Saint.) In the aftermath of Goldstein’s slaughter, Noam Federman, a spokesman for the Kach party in Israel, proclaimed, “The act itself was one of greatness. It was a great act of sanctifying the Name (of God).” Not to be outdone, Moshe Belogorodsky, an Israeli municipal council member, was quoted by the New York Times (Mar. 4, 1994) as saying, "It says in the Talmud that when a non-Jew strikes a Jew it's as if he's striking the Divine Presence itself...What Baruch did, at least in my book, is the opposite. It's the sanctification of God's name."

Suffice it to say, these are not the words and deeds of a rational people. Ordinary men and women typically don't lionize mass murderers and bestow upon them divine qualities. In Israel, however, virulent ethnocentrism and seething hatred of the goyim is the rule for many, not the exception. This fact was laid bare for the world to see after the Hamas attack on October 7th, 2023, which has since been used to justify Israel's full-throttle genocide of the remaining remnant of Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank.

Weasel words.

Eating corn flakes for breakfast is also consistent with genocide.

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Weasel words. Eating corn flakes for breakfast is also consistent with genocide.

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(crossed out because you need a knowledge of nutrition to make that judgement, wheres genocide is plain for all to see; the problem is proving intent ...Israel claims it is acting in self-defence, despite an increasing number of international law agencies disputing that claim).

You rejecting the reports in the post before yours?

Anyway, it's time to implement UN res 181 adopted all those years ago but never implemented because the UNSC - crippled from its inception by the veto - couldn't enforce peace between the disputing parties.

At least the UNGA - inceasingly confronted by the ongoing genocide in Gaza - has  voted (157 to  8) for the need for action rather than never ending  'negotiations' between parties with irreconciable stances.

Action: ie bulldoze the illegal settlers out of the WB , and create the Palestinian state according to UN-recognized borders, and deal with hot-heads on either side who refuse to accept international law.

Thus  ending  this insane 70 year long war which has had all sorts of effects including the destruction of the Twin  Towers in NY.  (Bin Laden stated as much...)

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You rejecting the reports in the post before yours?

I am saying the statement is pretty much meaningless. Weasel words.


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you need a knowledge of nutrition to make that judgement

You need a knowledge of English. Something you can't get from your Mum's basement in the outskirts of Beijing.

Israel liberating the Gaza and West Bank from the tyranny of Terrorism and the false nation of Palestine that was created by the Roman Empire to undermine Israel's original and justified ownership of those lands.

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

Quote: You rejecting the reports in the post before yours? I am saying the statement is pretty much meaningless. Weasel words.

This statement?: Suffice it to say, these (ie Goldstein's)  are not the words and deeds of a rational people. Ordinary men and women typically don't lionize mass murderers and bestow upon them divine qualities. In Israel, however, virulent ethnocentrism and seething hatred of the goyim is the rule for many, not the exception. This fact was laid bare for the world to see after the Hamas attack on October 7th, 2023, which has since been used to justify Israel's full-throttle genocide of the remaining remnant of Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank.

The meaning couldn't be clearer;  and the ICC is currently very exercized about the current actions of the Israeli state, even while Netanyahu is accusing the ICC - a court of international law - of "antisemitism". 


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TGD you need a knowledge of nutrition to make that judgement You need a knowledge of English. Something you can't get from your Mum's basement in the outskirts of Beijing.

 

Now there FD, as has been said,  if you want to avoid the true meaning of 'FD' being pointed out again and again,  you need to elucidate that statement in relation to the blue quote, AND point to the error in it.

You said: "Eating corn flakes for breakfast is also consistent with genocide".


No its not, dummy; the former is food, eating it will supply calories and energy (regardless of the long-term  heath effects of consuming conflakes) the latter is mass murder -  no equivalence, unless of course you can show equivalence.   

No twists or diversions, 'FD'....

Honest argument, please (...cough...)

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This statement?

No.

The one I quoted.

Obviously.

::)

Look! TRUMP has learned Arabic and speaks it fluently!!

Oficial translation into English:


Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Everybody is talking about the hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanely, and against the will of the entire World, in the Middle East - But it’s all talk, and no action! Please let this TRUTH serve to represent that if the hostages are not released prior to January 20, 2025, the date that I proudly assume Office as President of the United States, there will be ALL HELL TO PAY in the Middle East, and for those in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against Humanity. Those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied History of the United States of America. RELEASE THE HOSTAGES NOW.


Insh'allah!

Jasin wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Israel liberating the Gaza and West Bank from the tyranny of Terrorism

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349


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and the false nation of Palestine that was created by the Roman Empire to undermine Israel's original and justified ownership of those lands.

Wrong again, as shown in reply 37.

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 4:10pm: Israel liberating the Gaza and West Bank from the tyranny of Terrorism https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349

And:

Thus, for a brief period, in courageous defiance of the vastly superior Israeli military power, Palestinian villages...turned themselves into strongholds, standing up to the besieging Israeli troops. A mixture of local youth and the remnants of the ALA were entrenched for a week or two, holding out with what meagre arms they had before being overpowered by the assailants. Fifty such brave men defended Ramaysh; others could be found in Deir al-Qasi, most of them in fact not locals but refugees from Saffuriyya, vowing not to be displaced again.

They were commanded by a man called Abu Hammud from the ALA. Unfortunately, we only have the names of a few officers from the Israeli intelligence files and oral histories, such as Abu Ibrahim who defended Kfar Manda, but, like the Iraqi officers mentioned in the Wadi Ara campaign, they should all be written into the Palestinian, and universal, book of heroes who did everything they could to try to prevent ethnic cleansing from taking place. Israel, and the West in general, refers to them anonymously and collectively as Arab insurgents or terrorists – as they have done with the Palestinians who fought within the PLO until the 1980s, and others who led the two uprisings against the Israeli occupation in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1987 and 2000. I have no illusion that it will take more than this book to reverse a reality that demonises a people who have been colonised, expelled and occupied, and glorifies the very people who colonised, expelled and occupied them.

   --  Prof. Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine; Chapter 8: Completing the Job: October 1948–January 1949

Who accuses Israel of committing genocide in Gaza?

Amnesty International says Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. They aren’t the only ones reaching this assessment.


What made Amnesty’s mind up?

Genocide, by definition, constitutes five specific acts. Amnesty International has found that Israel is committing three of them:

    Killing members of a group.
    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to individuals from that group.
    Deliberately bringing about conditions of life that aim to physically destroy a group in whole or in part.

Amnesty has specifically condemned Israel for using starvation as a method of war – act 3 above.


Palestinian civil society

In a damning statement one month after Israel began its offensive on Gaza, al-Haq, the Palestinian Center for Human Rights and Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights said Israel intended to wipe out the Palestinian people “in whole or in part”.

They sounded the alarm over the “clear risk of genocide” Palestinians faced in Gaza, focusing on the dehumanising rhetoric by Israeli officials.

These included the words of then-Defence Minister Yoav Gallant – wanted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity – who referred to Palestinians as “human animals”.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog also declared: “There are no innocent civilians in Gaza.”


Center for Constitutional Rights (US)

The CCR is a United States-based legal advocacy fighting for civil rights since 1966 that has also said Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

On October 18, 2023, CCR released a legal analysis on Israel’s violations of the Genocide Convention and also criticised the US administration.

The US government has supplied about 69 percent of the weapons Israel uses to assault Gaza – including large, non-precision bombs that inflict disproportionate suffering on civilians – fighter jets, and other artillery.

“[T]here is a plausible and credible case to be made that the United States’ actions to further the Israeli military operation, closure, and campaign against the Palestinian population in Gaza rise to the level of complicity,” the CCR said in a statement.


UN special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories

Francesca Albanese, the United Nations special rapporteur on the situation in Palestine, has concluded that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

In her March report entitled, Anatomy of a Genocide, she also found Israel was committing three of the five acts of genocide.

She noted that beyond denying life-saving aid and food to Palestinians, Israel was also bringing about the destruction of the people through systematically destroying hospitals and farmland.

“Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure,” Albanese said.


International Court of Justice

The UN’s World Court ruled on January 26 that Palestinians were “at risk of” genocide.

This was a case South Africa raised against Israel for committing genocide and remains ongoing, as the former continues to raise requests with the court in an effort to get Israel to end its war on Gaza.

The hearings in January saw the court issue a binding order for Israel to stop acts of genocide by scaling up humanitarian aid.

Israel is obligated to report back to the court on a monthly basis to demonstrate how it has complied with the orders – an ongoing assessment which could take years.

Until now, Israel has defied the court’s orders and has instead killed relief workers and civil servants in Gaza who are indispensable in distributing humanitarian relief.

Israeli officials have attempted to smear the court as “anti-Semitic” and claimed South Africa was “providing legal cover for Hamas”.


What countries accuse Israel of genocide?

So far, 14 countries have joined or signalled their intention to join South Africa’s genocide case against Israel in the World Court.

They include Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Egypt, Ireland, Spain, Libya, Maldives, Mexico, Nicaragua and Turkiye.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/6/who-accuses-israel-of-committing-genocide-in-gaza

USA claims War on Terrorism against Iraq and Afghanistan.
UN supported the USA.

ISRAEL claims War on Terrorism against Palestine, Iran and now Lebanon.
UN condemns ISRAEL

Ahh the hypocrisy of a UN that is nothing more than an entity at the whim of USA, China and Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCaklheaw8o

Americans are so Gay. ;D

capitosinora wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCaklheaw8o

Nonsense.
I can see why he was fired EVEN by Fairfax.

Well - after Syria Had Fallen .... and Hamas was isolated into a small enclave after losing 70% of its leadership and 50%+ of its 'fighters' ...... **lets that sink in** .......................... and is now cut off from all the borders through which supplies might come in apart from the food that Israel allows through ......... its remaining leadership has decided that ... wait a minute .... we're stuffed here... let's make it look good by saying we are holding out an invitation to Israeli troops to stay (they don't want to) ... oh - and we'll throw in a list of remaining hostages - though four have 'died'.

All they want in return for that is a 'ceasefire' - which will mean THEY escape due justice for their evil deeds, and can do it all again... play the waiting game until the next generation of heads-filled-with-lies kids grow up and demand the right to kill Israelis.

Netanyahu will be right to say NO - Unconditional Surrender immediately or face certain meeting with Allah.

After the way many in the West have treated Jewish people - including here - as a result of the vicious Hamas attack and Hezbollah's attacks and Iran's support for those .... the rumour is that many will be heading to Israel rather than remain in a West that is no longer a safe space - but is a safe space for terrorist facilitators and activists.

You should all hang your heads in shame, you 'Australians' who supported this filth.  Never seen anything so bad - never BEEN anything so bad since the way Jewish Refugees were treated during WW II.....

You know what's funny - my aunt, who was part Jewish like my father (his sister) and with a Jewish name and whose family billeted two Royal Marines here to work with Z Force - once wore a Finnish symbol of good luck in the streets and was abused.... swastika wasn't popular then. 

Meantime the Australian government incarcerated a shipload of Jewish refugees for being German.

https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/dunera-boys

Jasin wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

Americans are so Gay. ;D

That clip is from an Australian, Michael West.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 5:59pm: Americans are so Gay. ;D That clip is from an Australian, Michael West.

Sorry. I'm referring to Capitosonora  ;)

Gaza doesn't exist anymore -

it's just a pile of smoking rubble.

It's not much different than if it had been nuked.

**repeats**  Israel has done the world a great favour in suppressing those movements and thus destroying the power of Iran to run proxy wars, which was leading us closer to World War III.

With the blustering surrender of Vlad and the equally blustering surrender of Hamas and Hezbollah and the fall of the Assad regime (though that remains a cypher on the world stage) - the world can now breathe a little more easily now that two or three steps have been taken back from the brink..... all courtesy of Israel and its sacrifices..   :(   :)    :(    :)

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 10:33am:

wombatwoody wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 8:27pm: Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 9:52am: wombatwoody wrote on Nov 16th, 2024 at 4:39pm: UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war NEW YORK (14 November 2024) – Israel’s warfare in Gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide, with mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions intentionally imposed on Palestinians there, the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices said in a new report released today. “Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life — food, water, and fuel,” the Committee said. “These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains.” Covering the period from October 2023 to July 2024, the report examines developments across the occupied Palestinian territory and the occupied Syrian Golan but focuses on the catastrophic impact of the current war in Gaza on the rights of Palestinians. “Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said. cont'd : https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide Don't murder, rape Jews and you won't get 'genocided'(!) in return. If you don't want Israel to to HIT BACK HARD, don't start a fight. Really, what do you expect? If you force people off their land, where they have lived for generation after generation, corral them into a ghetto, humiliate them far worse than apartheid South Africa ever did, bomb them with illegal chemical weapons, weapons which are banned under international law and which no civilized nation would ever dream of using, then of course they're going to rebel. Wouldn't you? Incontinent hyperbole. Totally over the top. The West Bank and Gaza together had 14 universities, an open university for distance learning, 18 university colleges and 20 community colleges. A recent survey conducted in Palestine concluded that the prevalence of overweight and obesity is 23.6 and 19.5% in the Gaza Strip and 26.1% in the West Bank.

Your error: that was BEFORE Oct 2023.


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Gazans decided to be led and governed by a proscribed international terrorist organisation, Hamas. They chose them freely and stuck with them for almost 20 years. That is like electing ISIS.

Your error: they chose Hamas because their (Palestinian)  70 year war of resistance against a land grab instituted by the UN had not been resolved, because Israel wants all of Jerusalem (the sticking-point at the Camp David talks) .


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Hamas has carried out COUNTLESS suicide and rocket attacks against Israel.

Indeed, the resistance in a war against  confiscation of land does resort to that type of fighting.


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They have assassinated countless PALESTINIAN political rivals. A bunch of chubby, nasty bastards. Hanging's too good for 'em.

Yes, the extremists destroyed any chance of Palestinian unity; but now Israel is beginning to look like the Nazi occupiers of Poland....

Hence the latest UNGA resolution  calling for immediate permanent ceasfire - and return of hostages - was adopted 158 -7, as a precursor to a Palestinian state. 

Netanyahu isn't interested in saving the hostages lives.

Amnesty International’s research has found sufficient basis to conclude that the government of Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip.


In the landmark report, ‘You Feel Like You Are Subhuman’: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza, Amnesty International documents how, during its military offensive launched in the wake of the deadly Hamas-led attacks in southern Israel on October 7, 2023, Israeli forces have carried out acts prohibited under the Genocide Convention, with the specific intent to destroy Palestinians in Gaza.

Israeli forces have caused unprecedented destruction, at a level and speed not seen in any other conflict in the 21st century, leveling entire cities and destroying critical infrastructure, agricultural land and cultural and religious sites, rendering large swathes of Gaza uninhabitable.

42,000 Palestinians have been killed, including over 13,300 children, and injured over 97,000 more, many of them in direct or deliberately indiscriminate attacks, often wiping out entire multigenerational families.

The government of Israel imposed conditions of life in Gaza that created a deadly mixture of malnutrition, hunger and diseases, and exposed Palestinians to a slow, calculated death.

The government of Israel also subjected hundreds of Palestinians from Gaza to incommunicado detention, torture and other ill treatment.

In isolation, these are serious violations of international humanitarian law or international human rights law. But looking at the broader picture of Israel’s military campaign and the cumulative impact of its policies and acts, the conclusion we came to is genocidal intent.

Amnesty International’s research report is based on interviews with more than 200 people, including Palestinian victims and witnesses, local authorities in Gaza, healthcare workers, extensive fieldwork, analysis of extensive visual and digital evidence, including satellite imagery, and analysis of statements by senior Israeli government and military officials, and official Israeli bodies.

Our findings must serve as a wake-up call to the international community: this is genocide, and it must stop now.

We are releasing this report to help stop the ongoing genocide, prevent further acts of genocide against Palestinians, and reiterate the urgency of a ceasefire.


https://www.amnestyusa.org/reports/you-feel-like-you-are-subhuman-israels-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

USA attacks the Terrorism of Iraq and Afghanistan.
The UN supports it.

Israel attacks the Terrorism of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran (all by itself)
UN condemns it.

Jasin wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

USA attacks the Terrorism of Iraq and Afghanistan. The UN supports it. Israel attacks the Terrorism of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran (all by itself) UN condemns it.

Nov 17, 2023

Israel's membership of the United Nations was approved in 1949. Unlike other states, it was approved conditionally upon Israel complying with Partition Resolution 181 as to the limits of the Israeli State, and UN Resolution 194, allowing the return of refugees. Israel has complied with neither condition. It refuses to define its borders and is today governed by an Apartheid regime that has murdered over 4,500 children in Gaza in the space of one month. Israel’s membership of the UN must be illegal. It should be expelled from the community of nations.

Once a regime is accepted as an apartheid regime, consequences flow. An apartheid regime is illegitimate and must be removed from the community of nations.

Just as the UN General Assembly did of apartheid South Africa in 1974, member states must vote to suspend Israel from the work of the UNGA immediately and recommend to the UN Security Council that it be expelled as a member state. That Western permanent members of the UNSC may seek to shield Israel from expulsion, just as Britain, France and the US did for apartheid South Africa in 1974, should not deter UNGA members.

Entities dealing with the apartheid regime of Israel expose themselves to criminal responsibility. Such entities may be a Head of State or Government, a member of a government, or government official. Indeed, on 13 October the International Centre of Justice for Palestinians, based in Harrow, England, gave notice to Prime Minister Sunak, and the Foreign Secretary and Attorney General of an intention to prosecute UK officials complicit in war crimes.  Whilst complicity with the crime of apartheid was not directly relied upon, apartheid was cited as constituting the background to the current, more immediate, alleged criminal acts. The Rome Statute is relied upon to address complicity.

There can be no prospect of an acknowledged apartheid regime continuing and remaining a member of the community of nations. As with South Africa, the obligation would fall squarely on other states to boycott and sanction the subject regime. Article IV of the International Convention requires state parties to the Convention to take action to bring the regime to an end. Article VIII contemplates action to prevent and suppress the crime of apartheid.

Does apartheid Israel have a right to exist? The answer is no. The apartheid South African regime had no right to exist and ceased to exist, replaced by a non-apartheid South Africa. Israel or Israel/Palestine can continue to exist after the apartheid regime ends, in the same way that South Africa has.

That might happen in a number of ways. One way would be the two state solution. The occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza would end, (implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 242, passed in 1967). Israel would have to define its own borders, something which to date it has refused to do. So far as the new state of Israel is concerned, it would also be necessary for certain racist legislation applying to Israel to be repealed, presumably to be replaced with a constitution guaranteeing the rights of all citizens equally. It should be noted that presently Israel does not have a constitution.

Another way would be the one state solution – one country embracing all the above lands with a similar constitution based on coexistence and equality of all citizens, regardless of race or ethnicity, and guaranteeing a right of return for refugees. I emphasise that neither option requires even one Jewish Israeli to leave the country.

It is of interest to note that UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese, in her first report delivered in October 2022 recommended that UN member states develop “a plan to end the Israeli …. apartheid regime”.

Readers will recall that Francesca Albanese recently delivered the Edward Said Memorial Lecture in Adelaide on 11 November and a speech at the National Press Club on 14 November.

Conclusion.

So where are we left? Here in Australia, I believe that we must press our Prime Minister and Foreign Minister to re-think the issue of both Israel’s “right to defend itself” and Israel’s “right to exist” and to accept that they are not bound to follow the dictates of the US/Israeli entity.

Host to an apartheid regime which has murdered over 4,500 Palestinian children in the last month alone, and in breach of the conditions of its recognition as a state set by the UN, Israel has no ‘right to exist’, and no right to wage a brutal war of collective punishment in an occupied territory in breach of international law.

https://johnmenadue.com/does-israel-have-a-right-to-exist/