I thought it might be interesting to ponder what people would do if Australia had a citizen elect Prime Minister vote, similar to the USA citizen elect Presidential vote.
If you could vote directly for Australia's PM and the choice was a 2 horse race between Dutton and Albanese, who would you vote for?

goosecat wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 9:21pm:

I thought it might be interesting to ponder what people would do if Australia had a citizen elect Prime Minister vote, similar to the USA citizen elect Presidential vote. If you could vote directly for Australia's PM and the choice was a 2 horse race between Dutton and Albanese, who would you vote for?

Albanesius has shown himself to be a great statesperson by attempting the Voice coup and then The Voice By Stealth, adhering to the absolute lies about 'poor, poor women' and 'wage gaps', adoring mass immigrants from out-of-synch Third World countries that can't win a cricket match, pushing for clean air when China and India who are the main providers of immigrants are feeding smoke to the atmosphere in huge volumes, by licking the nuts of young criminals, by making a show of attacking the Union that stands out as hairy-chested men while the sheila ones get all the fat, treading the top of the razor wire over Israel and the Gazans and their supporters, staying schtum over cutting kids gonads off,** and pursuing relentlessly the International Socialist Agenda of making us all equally poor with the poorest in the world.

In doing these things he has done a Captain Sobel for Australia and created the motivation for many to oppose all of those mad things, to rise in their righteous democratic wrath to demand corrections, and to force politicians of all kinds to actually address the issues, and has shown us that We, the People CAN say NO - and must do so over and over until they listen.  He has given us back our sovereignty as The People.

What a statesperson!  As for the poll - I am NOT jumping into 2025 under either of THOSE men!  Who is the third option? Jacinta Price?  (tick)


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Too clarify.I voted Lnp but I would only vote liberal.
Bridget and Joyce have completely destroyed the National party.

Mr Average Albo v Mr Nowhere near average potato.

Police Detective Dutton v Robber of taxpayer's money Albanese. He stole $450m to give to his Media Lefties for the Fake Voice scam.

ALP is full of backstabbers since Keating stabbed Hawke (Gillard stabbed Rudd). ALP backstabs Australians.
Dutton to put Albanese in handcuffs.

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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 8:29pm:

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I am going to call you a cun't every time you yawn, you cun't.

And I invite every other member to do so.
You cun't.

Let's see who gets censured and banned first for being a cun't.

With one week of parliamentary sittings left, the government finds itself outgunned by a man with simple and angry messages

By Laura Tingle
4h ago

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If Peter Dutton has dominated the story of politics this week it is because he has dominated the political agenda this year, as well as this week. (AAP: Bianca Di Marchi)

Peter Dutton held a "doorstop interview" at Parliament House on Tuesday. That's news in itself, at least for the media. The opposition leader doesn't tend to do many press conferences at Parliament House these days.

The last one was on July 2.

Tuesday's doorstop was at 1:45 pm… just 15 minutes before Question Time begins and he had to be in the chamber.

The subjects? Well, here's the list at the top of the transcript produced by his office:

Subjects: Labor's embarrassing international nuclear snub; Labor's energy policy shambles; Labor's international student cap mess; the Coalition's plan to revive the home ownership dream and boost building across Australia; Labor's Big Australia policy; electoral reform; Labor's cost of living crisis; Labor's continuing immigration and visa shambles; the Prime Minister's lack of leadership.

You may detect a certain tone in the descriptions. The colour and politically disciplined messaging in such descriptions, particularly from Dutton's office, have always been a marvel to behold.

We are now just a week from the end of parliamentary sittings for the year. All week, Parliament House has been operating with a freneticism which reflects the widespread perception that parliament will not return next year, either for its scheduled fortnight of February sittings, or for the proposed early budget on March 25.

Whether it does is another story. This is the story of politics as it unfolded this week, brooding under that expectation about next year.

As is probably clear from the opposition leader's subject descriptions, the purpose of the 'doorstop', which ran for less than 15 minutes, was attacking the government, rather than necessarily outlining any detailed plans of his own.

We know diddly-squat about the Coalition's policies

Oppositions are supposed to criticise and challenge government policies. But if indeed the prime minister does decide not to bring the parliament back, and instead goes to see the Governor-General as early as January 17 to have parliament dissolved ahead of a March election, that means we could be potentially a little over three months from polling day.

Yet we know diddly-squat about what the Coalition's policies will be, and Australia is about to go into its great Summer snooze.

The four issues regarded as the battleground of the 2025 election are: cost of living; housing; energy and climate change; and immigration.

The general policy prescriptions for the cost of living, according to the Liberal Party website, include "by cutting wasteful spending" (unspecified).

On housing, there is a plan to "unlock up to 500,000 new homes by funding essential infrastructure" and the ongoing plans to let people access their super.

There's an expectation that Dutton will unveil some more details on the Coalition's nuclear energy policy. But at this stage this seems to be more likely about ramping up questions about the comparative cost of the government's policy.

And even with all the other questions around nuclear energy, this is not something that will deliver any power to the grid at any time when Dutton or any of his colleagues will still be in parliament.

Finally, there is immigration. Dutton reiterated this week that the Coalition would cut permanent migration as well as the number of international students, even as the opposition announced it would not support the government's legislation to put a cap on international student numbers.

"We believe, as I've said before", Dutton told the doorstop, "depending on the economic conditions at the time, we'll set the NOM [net overseas migration] according to that and according to the mess that we inherit from this government. That's the approach that we'll take."

The NOM or net overseas migration is not actually a target, just a forecast based on all the temporary visas — students and skilled workers — who come here on a demand basis. So it remains completely unclear how the Coalition will set it, or cut it, short of cutting the number of workers and students upon whom business, agriculture and our tertiary education sector depend.

Nonetheless, Dutton declared that "if the prime minister is too weak and too insipid to deal with it, if the prime minister can't make decisions that are in our country's best interests, I will — and we will — make the decisions that are necessary to solve the housing crisis that Labor's created by bringing in 1.67 million people over five years* (*just noting Labor's only been in office for two-and-a-half years), and we will get our country back on track."

The problem of incumbency

Which brings us to the prime minister — who has been tied up with international summit season — and the government.

If Peter Dutton has dominated this story of politics this week it is because he has dominated the political agenda this year, as well as this week, even with his rare appearances before the Canberra Press Gallery.

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Countless observers have remarked on what a problem incumbency is in politics globally these days, and that is only more striking when you consider how it was such an asset 20 years ago.

Incumbency used to be a devastating platform from which to project your power and influence, rather than now a millstone weighed down with the practicalities of actually governing a country, rather than making sweeping, populist statements for which you are not held to account.

Even putting aside the oft-remarked upon lack of "cut through" of the prime minister, the government's management of these last crucial weeks of parliament would have to be described as perplexing, at its kindest.

Parliament is bogged down in a tsunami of legislation that has either been sitting around for ages, or been introduced at breakneck speed, but apparently all now has to be dealt with in just one remaining week.

Yet the government this week chose to prioritise electoral "reforms" — which will boost public election funding for the major parties — at the expense of legislation on cost-of-living measures such as dealing with scams, a much heralded mandatory code of conduct for the food and grocery sector, and the indexation of university fees.

It's hard to see those priorities as anything other than craven and tin-eared. Stalled housing and environment bills may still get through after the Greens seemed to realise they had apparently gone too far in their demands.

The government has also alienated the crossbenches

Apart from leaving voters who are paying attention with the perception that Labor has put its own financial interests ahead of those of the electorate, the government has alienated the crossbenches, whom it will not just need next week, but quite possibly next year if it finds itself in minority government.

It seems likely that quite a lot of legislation — like the Future Made in Australia scheme — will never make it through this parliament.

And the agenda of this first term Albanese government shows just how difficult it is to get ambitious schemes like its National Reconstruction Fund up and running and producing results within the short time frame of a parliamentary term.

In parliament, Treasurer Jim Chalmers this week gave a report to the nation about the economy and there is quite a lot for the government to sell.

But you can only sell things to an audience that is listening. And a government that doesn't want to upset people finds itself outgunned by a man with simple and angry messages.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-23/one-week-parliamentary-sittings-government-outgunned/104634590

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 8:57am:

Countless observers have remarked on what a problem incumbency is in politics globally these days, and that is only more striking when you consider how it was such an asset 20 years ago. Incumbency used to be a devastating platform from which to project your power and influence, rather than now a millstone weighed down with the practicalities of actually governing a country, rather than making sweeping, populist statements for which you are not held to account. Even putting aside the oft-remarked upon lack of "cut through" of the prime minister, the government's management of these last crucial weeks of parliament would have to be described as perplexing, at its kindest. Parliament is bogged down in a tsunami of legislation that has either been sitting around for ages, or been introduced at breakneck speed, but apparently all now has to be dealt with in just one remaining week. Yet the government this week chose to prioritise electoral "reforms" — which will boost public election funding for the major parties — at the expense of legislation on cost-of-living measures such as dealing with scams, a much heralded mandatory code of conduct for the food and grocery sector, and the indexation of university fees. It's hard to see those priorities as anything other than craven and tin-eared. Stalled housing and environment bills may still get through after the Greens seemed to realise they had apparently gone too far in their demands. The government has also alienated the crossbenches Apart from leaving voters who are paying attention with the perception that Labor has put its own financial interests ahead of those of the electorate, the government has alienated the crossbenches, whom it will not just need next week, but quite possibly next year if it finds itself in minority government. It seems likely that quite a lot of legislation — like the Future Made in Australia scheme — will never make it through this parliament. And the agenda of this first term Albanese government shows just how difficult it is to get ambitious schemes like its National Reconstruction Fund up and running and producing results within the short time frame of a parliamentary term. In parliament, Treasurer Jim Chalmers this week gave a report to the nation about the economy and there is quite a lot for the government to sell. But you can only sell things to an audience that is listening. And a government that doesn't want to upset people finds itself outgunned by a man with simple and angry messages. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-23/one-week-parliamentary-sittings-government-outgunned/104634590

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Countless observers have remarked on what a problem incumbency is in politics globally these days,

It has been an issue because of the way that the political cycle has wrapped around the Covid economic fall out.

Things will likely return to normal. The issues have not really been related to the incumbent governments it is just that they copped the blame.

Who di I think will win, vs who should win for the country's sake, they're sadly not the same thing.