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‘Total madness’: UK professor slams Australia’s ‘totalitarian, Orwellian’ Covid response A leading UK oncologist has slammed Australia’s “disgraceful” Covid response, describing lockdowns and mask mandates as “total madness” and claiming vaccines were largely ineffective at saving lives while causing “a lot” of adverse reactions. Professor Angus Dalgleish, head of oncology at St George’s Hospital in London and a prominent Covid sceptic, sat down with 2GB host Ben Fordham on Thursday where he rated Australia’s response to the pandemic as “absolutely appalling”. “I was hoping for something better because it was appalling in the UK,” he said. “And then what we find is that Australia, New Zealand and Canada all overreacted exactly the same.” Prof Dalgleish said the only country that “got it right long-term” was Sweden. “Sweden made the same mistake as the UK initially, putting all of the people from hospital into care homes without checking them,” he said. “But apart from that blip, they didn’t have any lockdown mandates, they had no … mandates, the vaccines were for people over 70, and they’ve got the lowest excess death rate in the entire western world.” Fordham pointed out that “meanwhile here in Sydney we were told we weren’t allowed to go five kilometres from our homes, at one stage we were wearing masks even when we were outdoors”. “That’s absolute madness,” Prof Dalgleish said. “The only reason you get people to wear masks is to instil a state of fear [in] them. I said right at the beginning, the very best mask, the smallest hole is three times bigger than the largest virus. There’s no science behind it whatsoever. You wear masks in theatres to stop you coughing into somebody’s abdomen or something, it’s not for viruses.” Similarly he said keeping people locked indoors was “total madness”. The only thing that correlates with infectivity survival is vitamin D levels. There’s four major papers come out on that to show that vitamin D is far more important than any vaccine. And yet they said the evidence wasn’t strong enough.” “If you get the virus naturally you can build up innate immunity to it, and they denied this,” he said. “You just get exposed and you get stimulated. I’m a very good example. I never had Covid, yet I was working in an environment where my junior doctors and nurses were going down off for weeks on end. I tested myself in the end and I’ve got a very strong T cell response to the virus. So I knew I had it but I never had any symptoms. I think the reason is that I dosed myself up with vitamin D as I advised everybody else to do. I’m over 70 so I’m a so-called ‘at risk’.”

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He again highlighted Sweden’s response as “far more pragmatic”. “They say grandmothers and people are at risk, just be careful, don’t go too close to them,” he said. “They didn’t lock everybody down. So society wasn’t strangled at the neck as it were. Why did you have to lock young, fit people who couldn’t work up in flats at home?” Prof Dalgleish slammed vaccine mandates as “absolutely disgraceful”. “It was totalitarian,” he said. “It’s descent into an Orwellian dystopia, especially as we knew by the times the vaccines were rolled out the virus had changed completely. The vaccines, whatever we were told, I don’t believe had any beneficial effect whatsoever because the virus changes, mutates so quickly.” He suggested that when the vaccines were rolled out “the wave of infection was falling off naturally, it didn’t need any help to damp the wave”. “It’s the same with the lockdown — we introduced the lockdown as the first wave was flattening out,” he said. “If you’d done no lockdown there would have been no difference. I believe exactly the same thing happened with the vaccine. I had warned them do not expect great protection from the vaccine that’s based on the spike protein because there will be too much variability and the virus will just escape. Therefore it won’t prevent transmission. We now know that’s the case, the vaccines never prevented transmission. They were then trying to say it would save you from serious disease and death. Now a full assessment of the data, there’s no evidence for that either. Fordham asked if Prof Dalgleish doubted whether vaccines saved lives. “Yes I do, completely,” he said. “They came in too late. They gave the appearance of saving lives because they were coming in on a wave of people going in and dying. But I honestly don’t believe … there might have been a very few, but we’re talking probably 1 or 2 per cent.” That was “not significant compared to what they wanted to do with them — roll them out to everybody and then have mandated vaccines when there was no evidence it prevented transmission at a time when the disease was killing 0.085 per cent of the population with an average age of 82”. “I mean it was complete, utter blindness and madness,” he said. Asked whether he had encountered many adverse reactions to Covid vaccines, Prof Dalgleish said he had “come across a lot”. “Let alone my patients, just within my family and circle of friends, everybody I know knows somebody who’s had an adverse reaction to the vaccine,” he said. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/total-madness-uk-professor-slams-australias-totalitarian-orwellian-covid-response/news-story/a21784581c6fc2142187a0e7d4b1a69a

Locking people indoors when they needed Vit D for immune system to work was madness.

No lessons learned from Spanish flu in US where hospital was overwhelmed they had outdoor ward.
Those treated in outdoor ward did far better than patients who were kept inside.

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As the professor said masks don't work for viral infections doctors wear them to help prevent bacterial infections.

If masks worked for Covid the Random Control trials would have shown a big difference instead of little to no difference.

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but carl the pensioner from perth is more knowledgeable then a UK professor and more honest then cochrane (the gold standard of peer review)  ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 5:03am:

but carl the pensioner from perth is more knowledgeable then a UK professor and more honest then cochrane (the gold standard of peer review)  ::) ::) ::)

Carl doesn't know.    ::)

Good info in your posts this thread, baron.

Thank you.


It is almost like the official reaction to covid worldwide was a conspiratorial one,
and that the official reaction to covid was 'rolled out'
with the intention to justify governments worldwide,
buying vast amounts of VERY EXPENSIVE pseudo vaccines.

pseudo = = not genuine; fake, pretentious, or insincere.

Yadda wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 6:44am:

Good info in your posts this thread, baron. Thank you. It is almost like the official reaction to covid worldwide was a conspiratorial one, and that the official reaction to covid was 'rolled out' with the intention to justify governments worldwide, buying vast amounts of VERY EXPENSIVE pseudo vaccines. pseudo = = not genuine; fake, pretentious, or insincere.

The human body is the most complex thing in the universe.
I got Covid twice but it hardly affected me -
is that because I had 3 shots of AstraZeneca or
was it my natural immune system?
No one can answer that - we'll never know the truth.

All we need now is for Sir Nail to chime in here and this thread will become the "Gold Standard" for Covid antivaxxer/antimasker stupidity.  ::)

Cochrane review again? How many times have we been through this?

Unpacking Cochrane’s Update on Masks and COVID-19


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Recently, the Cochrane Library released its anticipated update on physical interventions to control the spread of respiratory viruses, including masks to contain the spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The update was widely read and cited, becoming a point of controversy in the public debate about the efficacy of face masks, as it appeared to contradict both public health guidance and research. The appearance of controversy was in part owing to the methodological approach of Cochrane reviews, which allows inclusion of only randomized controlled trials (RCTs).

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The Cochrane review mentioned many of its own limitations and weaknesses, particularly with regard to face masks and its limited number of robust studies; it, therefore, cautioned against drawing any strong conclusions. Given the strong opinions expressed about the study, Cochrane further clarified that their review should not be used as evidence against mask efficacy per se, noting that the data were not definitive and that masks might be effective at preventing respiratory virus infection.

Oh, and Sweden again?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

27,407 Covid deaths (up until April this year) for a population less than half of Australia's? I wouldn't say that was "getting it right long term".

And the antivaxxers still have this obsession with the small number of Covid vaccine deaths and injuries (compared to the millions of lives saved worldwide). Why is that, I wonder?

And what about the estimated 60,000 lives saved by "Australia’s ‘totalitarian, Orwellian’ Covid response" before the vaccines were available?

Nah, no mention of that either.

https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p469


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All other large western countries also fared worse, with mortality in Italy, the UK, and US exceeding 2500 per million people. Australia saved upwards of 60 000 lives by avoiding those very high death tolls.

I wonder what caused the sharp rise in Australia's Covid cases and deaths at the end of 2021?

(Hint: It was when Australia caved in to big business and other interests, surrendered to Covid and abandoned the “total madness” of lockdowns, border closures, quarantine and mask mandates).

And before anyone asks again - the sharp dropoff in reported cases for the top graph is because hardly anyone bothers to get tested for Covid anymore (even though all indications are that the newly arrived XEC variant is on the rampage throughout Australia right now).

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For further confirmation of the fact that hardly anyone is testing for Covid anymore here's the latest wastewater graph for Perth:

https://www.health.wa.gov.au/articles/a_e/coronavirus/covid19-wastewater-surveillance


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The WA Wastewater Surveillance Program tests untreated sewage for fragments of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The program is constantly adapted to provide the most relevant data to the Department of Health.

The yellow line shows reported cases.

And the latest increase is undoubtedly XEC.

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Hey Carl

You're obsessed

This is not helping your  hypochondria

aquascoot wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 10:00am:

Hey Carl You're obsessed This is not helping your  hypochondria

This is probably not helping your bank balance with all the white flags you need to keep buying for me and several other members here.

(That's another one you owe me, by the way).

Carl D wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

Cochrane review again? How many times have we been through this? Unpacking Cochrane’s Update on Masks and COVID-19 Quote: Recently, the Cochrane Library released its anticipated update on physical interventions to control the spread of respiratory viruses, including masks to contain the spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The update was widely read and cited, becoming a point of controversy in the public debate about the efficacy of face masks, as it appeared to contradict both public health guidance and research. The appearance of controversy was in part owing to the methodological approach of Cochrane reviews, which allows inclusion of only randomized controlled trials (RCTs). [quote]The Cochrane review mentioned many of its own limitations and weaknesses, particularly with regard to face masks and its limited number of robust studies; it, therefore, cautioned against drawing any strong conclusions. Given the strong opinions expressed about the study, Cochrane further clarified that their review should not be used as evidence against mask efficacy per se, noting that the data were not definitive and that masks might be effective at preventing respiratory virus infection.

Oh, and Sweden again?



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We have to keep reminding science deniers like you masks don't work with viruses.

Random Control trials are the highest standard for evidence it doesn't get any better than that.

Your link says 2 of the RCTs they didn't like while they ignored the other 76 RCTs.
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Does your link have at the bottom it's the opinion of the authors and not the CDC?

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

If masks worked the RCTs would show a significant difference favouring masks all the RCTs showed was little to no difference which means mask don't do jack schit

Fact is Sweden has the lowest excess deaths which shows they handled the pandemic better than anyone else.
Science deniers like you ignore facts.

Masks don't work they didn't work stop being a silly old science denying boomer.

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Trump picks NIH critic Jay Bhattacharya to lead the agency The Stanford University physician and economist, known for opposing Covid-19 lockdowns, has been tapped to lead the $47 billion biomedical research agency. President-elect Donald Trump has chosen Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford University physician and economist known for his controversial views during the Covid-19 pandemic, as director of the National Institutes of Health. Bhattacharya, 56, has advocated for a major shakeup of the agency and accused former NIH leaders Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci of suppressing scientific debate and research during the pandemic. “The rot, having accumulated over decades, was plain for all to see,” Bhattacharya wrote earlier this month on the British news and opinion site UnHerd, in an endorsement of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Trump’s pick for health and human services secretary. Health officials failed the public during the pandemic by supporting lockdowns, school closures and mandates, Bhattacharya wrote, adding, “Yet the officials continue to deny their own culpability, avoiding a long look in the mirror.” “Jay and RFK Jr. will restore the NIH to a Gold Standard of Medical Research as they examine the underlying causes of, and solutions to, America’s biggest Health challenges, including our Crisis of Chronic Illness and Disease,” Trump said in a statement announcing his choice. In a post to X, Bhattacharya said he was “honored and humbled by President @realDonaldTrump’s nomination of me to be the next @NIH director.” Bhattacharya said he’d work to “reform American scientific institutions so that they are worthy of trust again and will deploy the fruits of excellent science to make America healthy again!,” echoing one of Kennedy’s themes. Kennedy called the Bhattacharya appointment “spectacular” in a post to X. Other supporters of Bhattacharya’s lockdown critique also praised Trump’s pick. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who sparred with top NIH officials, including Fauci, during the pandemic and plans to reexamine the U.S. response to Covid-19 when he becomes chair of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee next year, congratulated Bhattacharya on X and said he had “no doubt” he would “lead the bipartisan reform the @NIH needs. More here- https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/26/trump-picks-nih-critic-jay-bhattacharya-to-lead-the-agency-00191828

Excellent choice from Trump Dr Jay Bhattacharya was one of the co authors of the Great Barrington Declaration which history shows was right.

Australian statistics show GBD was 100% correct ABS data shows median age for covid deaths was over 83 years of age.

Data up to Delta variant before mass vaccination.

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"Great Barrington Declaration" again.  ::)

OK, let's go...

https://x.com/gorskon/status/1861936736344957186


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Spot on. The Great Barrington Declaration was social Darwinism in the service of a futile quest for “natural” herd immunity. There was never a viable plan for the “focused protection” of the elderly and vulnerable beyond vague platitudes while they just let the virus rip.

Yep, just like here in Australia.

And...

https://x.com/RevivalCare/status/1861884683866231110


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Fun fact: In a 2021 court case about masking, a judge ruled that Jay Bhattacharya was not an expert: Bhattacharya “offered opinions regarding the pediatric effects of masks on children, a discipline on which he admitted he was not qualified to speak”

And...

https://x.com/DecodingTrolls/status/1861972918705561730


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⚡️Bhattacharya's 3 Crimes Against Science Donald taps chief 'Herd Immunityite' as health agency chief. Would founder of modern science Sir Francis Bacon approve? Origins of the troll that Covid’s only as bad as flu is in Silicon Valley. In January 2020 a group of scared Silicon Valley oligarchs assembled to decide how to prevent the, then foreseen, Stay At Home orders they believed would destroy their companies. A patina of academic evidence was needed to justify letting Covid rip, even if it meant millions dying. In March 2020 Stanford ‘scientists’ (including Donald’s pick for health agency chief Bhattacharya) concocted a debunked, borderline fraudulent paper that was spun throughout the world as proof Letting Covid Rip was the Right Thing to Do. The problems with Stanford Antibodies study include faulty statistical calculations; media tour claims by Bhattacharya’s co-author Ioannidis that the study rubbish as it is doesn’t even back-up; and a cache of emails exposing apparent mismanagement of the study. The publication put co-author Bhattacharya in the dock, and yet instead of being sentenced for his crimes against science, he has been given a mandate by Donald to destroy science in America. Instead of facing sentencing for his crimes against truth (and for contributing to the deaths of 30m people world wide and 1m Americans), Bhattacharya is now being rewarded by Donald. The Santa Clara Antibodies Study claimed that by March 2020 a majority of residents of Santa Clara county already had Covid antibodies. Therefore, the propagandists employed to spin the fraudulent paper argued across the world’s air waves, there was no point in implementing stringent measures to prevent the mass infection of humanity with Covid...

Glad I won't be living or holidaying in the US anytime during the next 4 years (it's bad enough here in Australia at the moment).

And I still don't know why Baron has posted that "Case Fatality Risk" chart from 3 years ago (again)?

jesus carl

do you have ANY other interests apart from covid ?

jesus aquascoot

do you have ANYTHING useful or relevant to add to the thread?

:)

That Professor obviously forgets to mention that Sweden still had been infected, as a nation, with the Virus. People did die.
While Australia, while under strict national lockdown had ZERO Infections and domestically, Australians were FREE to go about the usual outdoors stuff State-wise, which also allowed an innovative boom of Domestic Economy which allowed Australia to be the #1 Economy in the world.
It was only when the Virus was ALLOWED in, did things go crap here.
So in essence, the first phase of Lockdown succeeds.
Letting the virus in, compromises the effect of Lockdowns into a more drastic effect.
If Sweden had done what Australia initially did. They wouldn't have had anyone die at all.

Carl D wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 12:30am:

"Great Barrington Declaration" again.  ::) OK, let's go... And I still don't know why Baron has posted that "Case Fatality Risk" chart from 3 years ago (again)?

Perhaps you should read what the GBD actually says instead of what neville nobodies on X claim it said.

You could even read what Jay and other experts post in his X account- https://x.com/DrJBhattacharya



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The Great Barrington Declaration Read it here- https://gbdeclaration.org/#read Authors- Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations. Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

Does Carl know what an Epidemiologist is?

The GBD said - We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza

As for focused protection it's the politicians job to say what is allowed these epidemiologists only advise governments.

Gladys in NSW made first opening hour with Coles and Woolies for pensioners this is a good example.

Cuomo in New York moved Covid patients into nursing homes a deadly failure.

Our Case Fatality Rate data before vaccines up to Delta variant shows the GBD were 100% right the healthy young aren't at risk the old boomers like you are bedwetters at the thought of covid

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/media_Gc2QNMqXUAALzD0.jpg

You should read this Carl

https://x.com/kevinnbass/status/1861921068111327691

Jay Bhattacharya

Jay Bhattacharya - COVID-19 pandemic

Another one who was pushing the failed herd/hybrid immunity BS (which they should have known - and probably did know - was impossible to achieve with a rapidly and constantly mutating SARS Coronavirus and a "vaccines only" strategy).

He should fit in well with Trump's upcoming 'House of Horrors' (especially RFK Jr.).