It really does defy belief that in a first-world country like Australia, its largest city can experience blackouts and brownouts due to excessive demand on baseload power, as has been happening over the past 2 or 3 days due to the heatwave. It really is time for Australia to wake up and embrace nuclear power generation, because none of the so-called "renewable" sources are fit for purpose. No more uneducated scare campaigns. Just let people see the facts from scientists who know what they are talking about, not politicians who have no idea and are only looking to appease NIMBYs in order to gain more votes for re-election. The science is clear - it's safe, it's clean, it's dependable and can be delivered on the timetable Dutton has suggested. It'll be expensive in the short-term, but the country will be better off for it in the long-term.

Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting.

tallowood wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting.

I prefer reliability, hence why I have solar with a battery.

tallowood wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting.

And  nothing to do with excessive draw on the system? ;)

https://i.imgur.com/bwF53oz.jpg

Get used to turning off the AC and any other power consuming electrics since  AnAl embraced this renewable rubbish.

This is a result of leftist lunacy

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Well….. power stations getting pulled down as population is expanding…more housing estates cropping up…. Not only a drain on electricity but in water resources too!
How can nuclear energy help with using less water?

We’ve grown up with water tanks and no air cons in either the car or house.

All the mod cons of today like automatic washing machine, dish washer, air conditioner, big TV, fancy electrical cooking appliances…. this all came from the way we were told in past, and I can still hear that jingle ~ “Electricity…..makes life easier!”
Yes… more like… makes life lazier….
And further to put more pressure on the use of electricity…. that scare campaign about gas pricing going up through the roof … and new houses not allowed gas appliances… and government incentives to rid gas ducted heating for reverse cycle air conditioners and hws heat pump to replace instant gas unit.
I nearly fell for it. But we decided based on this question we asked….”What happens when blackouts happen with an all electric home? And it’s been happening more than ever in recent years.
Being too reliant on one source?
Whether it’s coal or nuclear… what guarantee do we have for no more blackouts?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 11:56pm:

Get used to turning off the AC and any other power consuming electrics since  AnAl embraced this renewable rubbish. This is a result of leftist lunacy

Many years ago (2000) I went to Fiji… the humidity was unbearable!
But because of high electric tariffs during the day…the air conditioners were disabled for use until it hit 6PM!
:o

**picks self off floor**  the bill came in yesterday....  $13.21 .... I'm off to the Sallies for a handout..

The 7.7Kw system is kicking well even during overcast conditions.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 11:20am:

It really does defy belief that in a first-world country like Australia, its largest city can experience blackouts and brownouts due to excessive demand on baseload power,

thats what happens when you privatise essential services.

Sydney - over-development has out-raced infrastructure by a country mile... so to speak...

Remember the 'good old days' of the 'second airport' in the Ning Nang Nong?   Now it's jumbos landing in the heart of town.....  soon the place will be awash in jet fumes and overflowing sewerage systems..... during drought there will not be enough water... what you get will be nasty to say the least...  unless 'they' bore The Tunnel through under the Blue Mountains and put High Speed to the Western Plains.... soon Sydney will be a wasteland ...... well - more of a wasteland...

Meantime Albanese I keeps pouring in the people.... but don't you say anything!  They'll scream racist from the rooftops!!  It's all about race these days, you know - not reality... just look at the 'thinking' of some here..... fearlessly advocate for protection of the Aboriginal women killed at the highest rate in Oz and the dope fiends here - their mothers  probably handed them FAS or DAS - will tell you that you only do that to create a smokescreen for your true agenda - which is forcing all them Abos into the Separate Apartheidist Sovereign Homeland Free Of The White Man's Evil Ways But Funded By The White Man, that they themselves are demanding.... cunning, no?

Let me just fix that for you, said the experienced medic to the newfer who had just put a perfect tracheotomy into a wounded VC ..... **cut**

John Smith wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 7:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 11:20am: It really does defy belief that in a first-world country like Australia, its largest city can experience blackouts and brownouts due to excessive demand on baseload power, thats what happens when you privatise essential services.

As SA knows very, very well.

So the typical idiots are blaming solar panels for not working during a heat wave despite renewable energy having nothing to do with the blackouts....You are very stupid people!!!


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Update after Sydney CBD hit by major power outage amid heatwave There’s been a huge update after residents woke up to darkness as one of Australia’s biggest cities experiences a blackout due to a burst water pipe.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/thousands-stuck-without-power-as-blackout-hits-major-city/news-story/33a352593783c538a960f7d4c66075ce


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Major update after hundreds of Ausgrid customers hit with power outages across Sydney CBD due to flooded substation

https://www.skynews.com.au/business/energy/hundreds-of-ausgrid-customers-hit-with-power-outages-across-the-sydney-cbd-due-to-flooded-substation/news-story/108d7326ce2a2289acff07c00225ceed


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Increasing temperatures can result in reduced nuclear reactor efficiency by directly impacting nuclear equipment or warming the plant's source of cooling water.

https://www.nrdc.org/bio/christina-chen/nuclear-vs-climate-change-feeling-heat-0#:~:text=Increasing%20temperatures%20can%20result%20in,plant's%20source%20of%20cooling%20water.

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Only the rich who have their own home,
solar panels and battery backup will have power available all the time.

Common people will go without.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:12am:

Only the rich who have their own home, solar panels and battery backup will have power available all the time. Common people will go without.

Don't count on your solar panels yet Bobby if Dutton gets his way!!!


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Coalition’s nuclear plan to switch off solar for up to 3 million homes New analysis from the Smart Energy Council shows the introduction of seven nuclear reactors to Australia will shut down solar panels in millions of households. Smart Energy Council Chief Executive John Grimes says the true extent of the impact of nuclear power on Australian solar families has been hidden until now.

https://smartenergy.org.au/coalitions-nuclear-plan-to-switch-off-solar-for-up-to-3-million-homes/#:~:text=New%20analysis%20from%20the%20Smart,has%20been%20hidden%20until%20now.


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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switches-off-your-solar-234156

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:12am: Only the rich who have their own home, solar panels and battery backup will have power available all the time. Common people will go without. Don't count on your solar panels yet Bobby if Dutton gets his way!!! Quote: Coalition’s nuclear plan to switch off solar for up to 3 million homes New analysis from the Smart Energy Council shows the introduction of seven nuclear reactors to Australia will shut down solar panels in millions of households. Smart Energy Council Chief Executive John Grimes says the true extent of the impact of nuclear power on Australian solar families has been hidden until now. https://smartenergy.org.au/coalitions-nuclear-plan-to-switch-off-solar-for-up-to-3-million-homes/#:~:text=New%20analysis%20from%20the%20Smart,has%20been%20hidden%20until%20now. [quote]No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switches-off-your-solar-234156

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It says

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“Nuclear power can’t be switched off, meaning it keeps pushing power into the grid regardless of whether it is the most expensive form of energy, or it’s even needed,” he said. “That is bad news for Australian solar homes.”

That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.

lee wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 3:40pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 11:34am: Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting. And  nothing to do with excessive draw on the system? ;)

There is no excessive draw on the system all the time but when it happens there is need for reliable reserve for power generation back up, which is costly, therefore "Cost vs reliability" is consideration in play.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:27am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:12am: Only the rich who have their own home, solar panels and battery backup will have power available all the time. Common people will go without. Don't count on your solar panels yet Bobby if Dutton gets his way!!! Quote: Coalition’s nuclear plan to switch off solar for up to 3 million homes New analysis from the Smart Energy Council shows the introduction of seven nuclear reactors to Australia will shut down solar panels in millions of households. Smart Energy Council Chief Executive John Grimes says the true extent of the impact of nuclear power on Australian solar families has been hidden until now. https://smartenergy.org.au/coalitions-nuclear-plan-to-switch-off-solar-for-up-to-3-million-homes/#:~:text=New%20analysis%20from%20the%20Smart,has%20been%20hidden%20until%20now. [quote]No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now. https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switches-off-your-solar-234156 ::) ::) ::)

It says

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“Nuclear power can’t be switched off, meaning it keeps pushing power into the grid regardless of whether it is the most expensive form of energy, or it’s even needed,” he said. “That is bad news for Australian solar homes.”

That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.[/quote]

For a Nuclear power plant to be profitable it must run 24/7 which was stated in the articles I posted....Australian's will be paying for the most expensive power (Nuclear) whilst there is a heatwave and all the solar panels are turned off....Educate yourself Bobby and stop peddling bullshit!!!

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https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/coalition%E2%80%99s-nuclear-plan-does-it-add

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

For a Nuclear power plant to be profitable it must run 24/7 which was stated in the articles I posted....Australian's will be paying for the most expensive power (Nuclear) whilst there is a heatwave and all the solar panels are turned off....Educate yourself Bobby and stop peddling bullshit!!! :-? :-? :-? https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/coalition%E2%80%99s-nuclear-plan-does-it-add

It doesn't say that in the link you just posted.

Educate yourself Phil and stop peddling bullshit!!!

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That's nonsense - they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down or even switches off.

The reaction time is not good enough for this method alone when there are sudden changes in grid load. You still need conventional power plant connected to the grid to smooth grid load irregularities.

tallowood wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Quote: That's nonsense - they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down or even switches off. The reaction time is not good enough for this method alone when there are sudden changes in grid load. You still need conventional power plant connected to the grid to smooth grid load irregularities.

Isn't there a giant one hour battery which does that?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:52am: For a Nuclear power plant to be profitable it must run 24/7 which was stated in the articles I posted....Australian's will be paying for the most expensive power (Nuclear) whilst there is a heatwave and all the solar panels are turned off....Educate yourself Bobby and stop peddling bullshit!!! :-? :-? :-? https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/coalition%E2%80%99s-nuclear-plan-does-it-add It doesn't say that in the link you just posted. Educate yourself Phil and stop peddling bullshit!!!

It was in the link I highlighted in yellow you smacking dickhead....Here is the link again for the stupid like Bobby???


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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switches-off-your-solar-234156

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Phil - it doesn't say why - it's a poor article.

You just push the nuclear control rods in during the day and take them out at night.
That's how nuclear power is controlled to vary with the load.
Also - that way - the reactor Uranium fuel rods will last twice as long
so it will be cheaper to run the nuclear reactors.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:14am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am: Quote: That's nonsense - they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down or even switches off. The reaction time is not good enough for this method alone when there are sudden changes in grid load. You still need conventional power plant connected to the grid to smooth grid load irregularities. Isn't there a giant one hour battery which does that?

Sun?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:28am:

Phil - it doesn't say why - it's a poor article. You just push the nuclear control rods in during the day and take them out at night. That's how nuclear power is controlled to vary with the load. Also - that way - the reactor Uranium fuel rods will last twice as long so it will be cheaper to run the nuclear reactors.

The article states that Nuclear power would take priority over renewables to make Nuclear financially viable....Your opinion is bullshit Bobby....Although Nuclear can be alternated the Nuclear power plant must run at almost maximum capacity to make it economicly viable....The articles I have posted makes this quite clear to anyone not as stupisd as you Bobby....Can you provide any evidence Nuclear is cheaper than renewables Bobby???

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SA was the first state to see network demand fall below zero back in October 2021. In the southwest of Western Australia the market operator is projecting network loads will become negative in coming years, something I predicted a decade ago. As baseload generation is used less and less, it costs more and more per MWh and becomes less competitive and commercially viable. This is the main reason coal fired power stations are closing and baseload generation is becoming redundant. SA is a predictor of the whole of Australia in coming years. If coal is not commercially viable into the future, then how can nuclear possibly be, when it is far more expensive?

Feel free to support your argument with verifiable facts and not your own stupid opinion!!!

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https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switches-off-your-solar-234156


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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

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https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switches-off-your-solar-234156

tallowood wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

lee wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:40pm: tallowood wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 11:34am: Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting. And  nothing to do with excessive draw on the system? ;) There is no excessive draw on the system all the time but when it happens there is need for reliable reserve for power generation back up, which is costly, therefore "Cost vs reliability" is consideration in play.

Nowhere did I say there was excessive draw "all the time ". So the renewables can't handle it.

There has been 4.5GW of coal plant closure in NSW since 2012. There is about 13.5GW of renewables according to NSW Government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal-fired_power_stations_in_Australia

"NSW now has approximately 13,500 megawatts (MW) of renewable energy generation capacity, which is around 53% of total generation capacity in our state. "

https://www.energy.nsw.gov.au/nsw-plans-and-progress/major-state-projects/shift-renewables/renewable-energy-nsw

So renewables can't cut it at 3 times overbuild.