Joe Biden, Hunter Pardon, kicks up a storm of protests and criticism in U.S.

Shameful.        [i.e. without honour]

A huge story in the U.S.    ......'grist for the mill.'

'PILE ON'

So many Americans, outraged by this blatantly corrupt elitism.

QUESTION;
How 'rotten', is Washington DC, U.S.A. ?     ......can anyone really know ?


Jeremiah 9:24
.....let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me,
that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth:
for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.




Quote:

'Laptop From Hell' author Miranda Devine exposes 'corruption story' after Hunter Biden was pardoned by president father New York Post columnist and ‘Laptop From Hell’ author Miranda Devine has exposed the truth abut Hunter Biden after his president father let him off the hook as he stared down a maximum 17-year sentence. Laurence Karacsony December 3, 2024 ......

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/laptop-from-hell-author-miranda-devine-exposes-corruption-story-after-hunter-biden-was-pardoned-by-president-father/news-story/8aa7e6f0d5cb035f38880c3c0a91a9cd

[the whole article is just a click away.]


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This is fantastic news for Donald Trump: Kerri Urbahn

05 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/n8dpGPmT8RM/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8dpGPmT8RM



Quote:

Fox News legal editor Kerri Urbahn joins 'Fox & Friends' to discuss President Biden's move to pardon his son Hunter after pledging not to in June

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Biden, White House scorched for clinging to a longstanding lie

01 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/Y7reCI-pABo/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7reCI-pABo



Quote:

'THAT AIN'T HYPERBOLE': Joe Concha torches Biden and his White House team as "the most dishonest, least successful administration in American history" after the president signed a sweeping pardon for his son, Hunter.

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Convict shatters Biden's claim his son Hunter was targeted due to 'politics'

01 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/cI0ogqUXMhg/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI0ogqUXMhg



Quote:

'NOT SURPRISED': A former Maryland police commissioner, who served 10 months in prison for a tax fraud case similar to Hunter Biden’s, says President Biden is sending an "awful message" to millions of Americans by pardoning his son after repeatedly insisting he would not.

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Flashback:
Hunter smirks when asked if he will be pardoned after Biden drops out of race

01 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/9x_E2JLXx88/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x_E2JLXx88



Quote:

WATCH: Hunter Biden smirked when asked if he expected a pardon from his father, President Biden, just 10 days after the president officially dropped out of the White House race.

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Biden's word is 'TRASH':
Hunter pardon sparks outrage

06 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/6d4RZqeTP4w/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4RZqeTP4w



Quote:

Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., reacts to President Biden's move to pardon his son Hunter and discusses President-elect Trump's nomination of Kash Patel for FBI director.

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This will be Joe Biden's next pardon:
Miranda Devine

06 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/gaUjrQO2i0U/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaUjrQO2i0U



Quote:

New York Post columnist Miranda Devine joined 'America's Newsroom' to discuss why she believes President Biden decided to pardon his son Hunter and why it could extend to the entire Biden family before he leaves office.

MORE....

CONTINUED....




Flashback:
Trump predicted Biden would pardon Hunter one month before winning the election

01 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/mmA3bDddvJM/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmA3bDddvJM



Quote:

Before his landslide victory in November, President-elect Trump told Fox News' Bill Melugin in October that he predicted President Biden would pardon Hunter Biden before leaving office.

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Kayleigh McEnany: There is a HUGE disparity with this.

07 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/dICkMZik1bQ/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dICkMZik1bQ



Quote:

Fox News contributor Andy McCarthy and 'Outnumbered' co-host Kayleigh McEnany joined 'America's Newsroom' to discuss their reactions to the president's pivot on Hunter's pardon

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Judge Jeanine reacts to President Biden pardoning his son

01 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/C_G8U3tFBbk/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_G8U3tFBbk



Quote:

Judge Jeanine calls out President Biden for claiming he pardoned his son, Hunter Biden, because of selective prosecution.

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Live:
President Biden LIED,
Hunter pardoned! With Miranda Devine | Will Cain Show

1h 03 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/rGmQKOOfY5s/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGmQKOOfY5s



Quote:

Miranda Devine: Author of ‘The Big Guy: How A President And His Son Sold Out America’ and ‘Laptop From Hell’ Columnist at The ‘NY Post’ | Fox News contributor | on X at @mirandadevine

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Judge Jeanine: This was a cover-up from the get-go

05 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/Hrp9P99lf0Y/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrp9P99lf0Y



Quote:

'The Five' co-host Judge Jeanine Pirro joined 'Fox & Friends' to discuss her reaction to President Biden's decision to pardon his son Hunter and the latest on closing arguments in Daniel Penny's New York City manslaughter trial.

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FLASHBACK:
Biden & White House repeatedly dismiss questions about Biden pardoning Hunter

01 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/mPcb_XMIh_A/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPcb_XMIh_A



Quote:

WATCH: The White House and President Biden repeatedly dismissed questions about whether the president would pardon his son Hunter as "going down a rabbit hole"—yet, with less than 50 days left in office, Biden did exactly that.

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'I'm just floored!': Hosts react to Hunter Biden pardon

11 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/9XroGxpzasc/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XroGxpzasc



Quote:

Fox News' Madeleine Rivera reports the latest on President Biden's decision to pardon his son, Hunter. The 'Fox & Friends' co-hosts react to the news and what it means for any current legal proceedings

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Got this one wrong':
Dems RIP Biden for pardoning Hunter in major reversal

07 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/5j1mYRO7AzU/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j1mYRO7AzU



Quote:

Criminal defense attorney Lexie Rigden joined 'Fox & Friends First' to discuss why she believes President Biden pardoned his son Hunter before leaving office and what it means for the family's controversial business dealings

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This is a ‘total disrespect for the rule of law’:
Legal expert

09 min
Dec 02, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/Nt_oMpCGWmw/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt_oMpCGWmw



Quote:

Former federal prosecutor Katie Cherkasky and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Tom Dupree join ‘Sunday Night in America’ to discuss President Biden pardoning his son Hunter and President-elect Trump tapping Kash Patel to head the FBI.

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QUESTION;
What is Joe Rogan saying ?

The issue isn’t the kid’s gun, crack, and child trafficking crimes; it’s the money laundering scheme headed by the Big Guy. The U.S. has funded a $183B war to cover up the biggest criminal operation in American history.

No wonder they tried to kill Trump.

https://x.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1863404517221392678

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdwleC-XEAApUg2?.png


I brought this up in 2022, which was howled down by Americans.
And all of a sudden, all are jumping on the bandwagon.
What has changed?
All along the USA with UK and Brussels as well as commercical vested interests have used Ukraine as the biggest money and crime laundering operation this planet has ever seen.
The 185 billion you quoted is simply petty cash.
If the real numbers and crimes committed made public to the world, there would be riots in all Western nations.
https://x.com/JohnRMetzner/status/1863448196711866612
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdxMQkvaQAAK72d?.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

;D

Yadda's off his meds.

Hunter Asks If He Can Get His Baggie Of Cocaine Back From The White House Now

WASHINGTON, D.C. — After news broke that he had received a full presidential pardon from his father for any crimes committed in the last decade, Hunter Biden immediately asked officials from the U.S. Secret Service if he could get his baggie of cocaine back from the White House.

The cocaine, which was discovered over a year ago in a cubby outside the entrance to the West Wing, had gone unclaimed with authorities closing their investigation without learning the identity of its owner. With his pardon now in effect, Biden quickly claimed it and requested its return.

"Yeah, it's totally mine, thanks," Biden was reportedly heard saying in a phone call with the Secret Service. "I had to stash it one day when a tour group was coming through while I was about to do some lines. Such a buzzkill. Anyway, now that I don't have to answer for anything illegal I've done, I'd appreciate it if you gave me back my blow. I plan on hitting some celebration pretty hard tonight if you know what I mean. I mean I'm going to get absolutely wasted and I need my coke."

A spokesman for the Secret Service confirmed Biden made the request. "We figured it was his, but now we know for sure," said Agent Sean Kellar. "Unfortunately, the pardon Mr. Biden received from his father now precludes us from taking any action against him for possessing the illegal substance. It's probably better that the cocaine goes back to its rightful owner rather than going to waste in some evidence locker anyway."

At publishing time, Hunter Biden had reportedly also asked for a hard copy of his presidential pardon that he could roll up into a tube to snort the returned cocaine.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Yadda wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 10:32am:

Trump predicted Biden would pardon Hunter one month before winning the election https://old.bitchute.com/video/mmA3bDddvJM/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmA3bDddvJM Before his landslide victory in November, President-elect Trump told Fox News' Bill Melugin in October that he predicted President Biden would pardon Hunter Biden before leaving office.

Trust in the justice system has been “almost irreparably damaged by the Bidens,” Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) said in reaction to President Joe Biden pardoning Hunter, his criminal son, for crimes spanning back to 2014.

Johnson reminded Americans of the fact that Biden insisted time and time again that he would not pardon his son.


“President Biden insisted many times he would never pardon his own son for his serious crimes. But last night he suddenly granted a ‘Full and Unconditional Pardon’ for any and all offenses that Hunter committed for more than a decade!” Johnson exclaimed.

“Trust in our justice system has been almost irreparably damaged by the Bidens and their use and abuse of it,” he continued, adding, “Real reform cannot begin soon enough!”

Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D


Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans

Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son.
So everyone knew he was lying AGAIN when he said repeatedly that he wouldn't.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son.

by everyone are you talking about all the voices in your head? You know they don't count, right?

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:43pm: Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son. by everyone are you talking about all the voices in your head? You know they don't count, right?

What?? Are you surprised that Biden turned to be a liar again? As did his cronies like Curly the WH spokesthingy clowness?



Anyway, Hunter will be charged with other crimes after Jan 20. And Sleepy "10% for the Big Guy" Joe will be implicated.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:39pm: Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son. So everyone knew he was lying AGAIN when he said repeatedly that he wouldn't.

It's a good thing the rapist and convicted criminal you worship never lies.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Anyway, Hunter will be charged with other crimes after Jan 20.

Crimes allegedly committed when?

After 1st December 2024?

Before 2014?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Crimes allegedly committed when? After 1st December 2024? Before 2014?

It doesn't matter. Providing the statute of limitations hasn't run out. If he hasn't previously charged there is no double jeopardy.

Trump pardoned Charles Kushner after he pleaded guilty to guilty and was sentenced to two years jail. Now he’s been nominated by Trump to be Us Ambassador to France. Spare me your fake outrage and hypocrisy. The things Hunter Biden was accused of are nothing when compared to the crimes Kushner admitted to perpetrating, and for which Trump overlooked to pardon and now give him an ambassadorship.

EVEN MORE........and a laugh too.



Tyrus, on point, and scathing, on Gutfeld.

@ 06.40   "......[daddy] is a senile, corrupt weasel."

scathing = = witheringly scornful; severely critical.



And 'the lead in' segment, is good too......
'Harris camp still fundraising to pay off U.S.$20 million debt.......'

'......Experts blame it on    the female run campaign    not having the experience,
of picking up the tab.'

'A SEXIST WOULD SAY!'



Tyrus: Christmas came early for Hunter Biden

14 min
December 3rd, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/ltONF0LH3ec/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltONF0LH3ec



Quote:

Fox News contributor Tyrus and the panel react to President Biden's pardon of his son Hunter on ‘Gutfeld!

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:43pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:39pm: Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son. So everyone knew he was lying AGAIN when he said repeatedly that he wouldn't. It's a good thing the rapist and convicted criminal you worship never lies.

you miss the point

trump is allowed to lie
in fact he has very cleverly made it a feature
he is a rule breaker, he is allowed to riff, he never pretended otherwise

it was a smart move because it makes him authentic and therefore no trust is lost .

biden is not allowed to lie
he is in a relationship with the very serious , humourless, smug pious leftie elite.
he pays a price for lying
his supporters are hypocrites who value virtue signalling and he is letting the side down by lying

it was a dumb move by the left to take things so seriously.



should biden pardon his son

of course

its his god dammed son for christs sake

he should do it and tell the media to faaark off

thats what trump would do

biden needs to study trump and learn how to play the game of politics
amazing that the guy who is new to politics 'gets it" and the career politician is still clueless  :'( :'(

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:53pm:

What?? Are you surprised that Biden turned to be a liar again?

You'd have to prove he didn't mean it when he said he wouldn't pardon him and just had a change of mind once trump won


good luck with that :D :D

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Anyway, Hunter will be charged with other crimes after Jan 20.

no he won't. The pardon extends to future charges.

Sucked in dipshit ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Trump pardoned Charles Kushner after he pleaded guilty to guilty and was sentenced to two years jail. Now he’s been nominated by Trump to be Us Ambassador to France. Spare me your fake outrage and hypocrisy. The things Hunter Biden was accused of are nothing when compared to the crimes Kushner admitted to perpetrating, and for which Trump overlooked to pardon and now give him an ambassadorship.

Yeah ArmchairPolitician,

Donald Trump is no saint !

So what is all of the woo har....about that naughty Biden, about ?



Daniel 2:28
But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days.....


Malachi 4:1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


......scripture tells, that we [who are living] are all going to see it coming.

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:53pm: What?? Are you surprised that Biden turned to be a liar again? You'd have to prove he didn't mean it when he said he wouldn't pardon him and just had a change of mind once trump won good luck with that :D :D

Smith - you sanctimonious windbag -

you supported genocide Joe all this time - you put down Trump -

now apologise as you found out Joe's a crook.

The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:16pm:

The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::)

So you agree that Biden is corrupt?

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 4:48pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:53pm: Anyway, Hunter will be charged with other crimes after Jan 20. no he won't. The pardon extends to future charges. Sucked in dipshit ;D ;D

So he now has a free pass to break the law whenever he wants? THat makes you very delusional. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted (including any that have resulted in convictions) by Special Counsel David C. Weiss in Docket No. 1:23-cr-00061-MN in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware and Docket No. 2:23-CR-00599-MCS-1 in the United States District Court for the Central District of California."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dx9n3m9y2o

VERY time specific.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:39pm: Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son. So everyone knew he was lying AGAIN when he said repeatedly that he wouldn't.

I see.

Are you, old boy, declaring an aversion to politicians lying?

We'll jot this one down for the next administration.

You do know who's been erected prez, yes?

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:23pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:43pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:39pm: Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son. So everyone knew he was lying AGAIN when he said repeatedly that he wouldn't. I see. Are you, old boy, declaring an aversion to politicians lying? We'll jot this one down for the next administration. You do know who's been erected prez, yes?

Karnal - apologise for supporting genocide Joe.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:21pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:16pm: The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt?

My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:16pm:

The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::)

Ah. You've been reading Panther's posts, now haven't you?

He's our resident constitutional expert. He'll be along any minute now to defend SJ's pardon.

He'll oppose any or all attempts to target Sleepy with LAWFARE too, I'm sure.

As for Hunter, he'll say oh? He's just a harmless private citizen. Why would anybody want to target he?

Hillary? Why would anybody want to target her?

Dr Jill? You get the idea.

Yes, Panther will be totally against any future attempts at VENGEANCE. Most unconstitutional. How do we know?

Panther said.

nepotism

'the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.
"he promised an end to corruption and nepotism"'.

So you don't agree with your statement that it is a free pass to sanction corruption. ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:16pm: The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-?

Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:16pm: The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) Ah. You've been reading Panther's posts, now haven't you? He's our resident constitutional expert. He'll be along any minute now to defend SJ's pardon. He'll oppose any or all attempts to target Sleepy with LAWFARE too, I'm sure. As for Hunter, he'll say oh? He's just a harmless private citizen. Why would anybody want to target he? Hillary? Why would anybody want to target her? Dr Jill? You get the idea. Yes, Panther will be totally against any future attempts at VENGEANCE. Most unconstitutional. How do we know? Panther said.

Where are all the apologies here
from Democrats who supported Biden - a crook?

Where's your apology?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:23pm: Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:43pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 1:39pm: Gee, who would have guessed that the trumpards, who have for the last 4 years been telling everyone that trump is going to pardon everyone jailed for helping him, are now crying because biden pardoned his son :D :D :D Biden SHOULD pardon his son. Thousand of Americans lie on their guns applications a year, absolutely NONE go to jail. Hunter was only ever jailed because of the political witch hunt by the rethuglicans Everyone knew Biden would pardon his son. So everyone knew he was lying AGAIN when he said repeatedly that he wouldn't. I see. Are you, old boy, declaring an aversion to politicians lying? We'll jot this one down for the next administration. You do know who's been erected prez, yes? Karnal - apologise for supporting genocide Joe.

Come come, Bobby. Sleepy Joe's achieved more in office than any Prez since Clinton. Genocide?

You haven't seen anything yet. You wait until your DL gets in.

Two million Gazans - gone. 50 million Ukrainians - back to where they came from.

But I'm curious. Are we to expect another four years of mindless bottery from your good self?

Your DL got in. You're now free to say whatever you like.

Here's your chance.

How does it feeeel?

lee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:00pm: Crimes allegedly committed when? After 1st December 2024? Before 2014? It doesn't matter. Providing the statute of limitations hasn't run out. If he hasn't previously charged there is no double jeopardy.

Oh, but it does matter.

Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024.

So, if they try to charge him for any crimes committed in the last ten years, he is fully and unconditionally pardoned.

Do you think Frank knew that when he wrote his silly comment?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024.

So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:33pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:16pm: The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) Ah. You've been reading Panther's posts, now haven't you? He's our resident constitutional expert. He'll be along any minute now to defend SJ's pardon. He'll oppose any or all attempts to target Sleepy with LAWFARE too, I'm sure. As for Hunter, he'll say oh? He's just a harmless private citizen. Why would anybody want to target he? Hillary? Why would anybody want to target her? Dr Jill? You get the idea. Yes, Panther will be totally against any future attempts at VENGEANCE. Most unconstitutional. How do we know? Panther said. Where are all the apologies here from Democrats who supported Biden - a crook? Where's your apology?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Bobby the Bot.

Vlad hasn't had him updated since 2020, poor thing, but that's okay.

Now Sleepy Joe's gone, we Can dress Bobby up in his Hidin' from Biden T shirt and give him a big bag of lollies for all his hard work.

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:54pm:

Now Sleepy Joe's gone

Not until Jan 21, 2025

lee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:51pm: Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::)

That's right.

Which is why I asked Frank the question.

However, Frank hasn't answered.

Maybe you can help him out.

What are the alleged crimes that are said to have been committed before 2014?

And, what are the alleged crimes he's going to commit in the future?

I'm curious.

lee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:51pm: Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::)

Sure can, Lee. Hunter can be charged for any or all crimes he commits from this day forth.

Happy now?

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:56pm:

lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:51pm: Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::) Sure can, Lee. Hunter can be charged for any or all crimes he commits from this day forth. Happy now?

;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:56pm: lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:51pm: Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::) Sure can, Lee. Hunter can be charged for any or all crimes he commits from this day forth. Happy now? ;D

He's got us now, Greggery. Lee's scrambling to Google the statutes of limitations in 50 states.

He should be back tomorrow with a response.

Cunning, no?

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:57pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:56pm: lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:51pm: Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::) Sure can, Lee. Hunter can be charged for any or all crimes he commits from this day forth. Happy now? ;D He's got us now, Greggery. Lee's scrambling to Google the statutes of limitations in 50 states. He should be back tomorrow with a response. Cunning, no?

Will they find video footage of Hunter jaywalking way back in 2009?

Lock him up!

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:42pm: Where are all the apologies here from Democrats who supported Biden - a crook? Where's your apology? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Bobby the Bot. Vlad hasn't had him updated since 2020, poor thing, but that's okay. Now Sleepy Joe's gone, we Can dress Bobby up in his Hidin' from Biden T shirt and give him a big bag of lollies for all his hard work.

Look - I can write it for you -

I Karnal,
sincerely apologise for putting Trump down for all these years -
and calling him a crook when at the same time I was supporting
the crook called Joe Biden.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 2:00pm: Crimes allegedly committed when? After 1st December 2024? Before 2014? It doesn't matter. Providing the statute of limitations hasn't run out. If he hasn't previously charged there is no double jeopardy. Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So, if they try to charge him for any crimes committed in the last ten years, he is fully and unconditionally pardoned. Do you think Frank knew that when he wrote his silly comment? I'm curious.

Greggy - apologise for supporting crooked Joe Biden.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:57pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:56pm: lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:51pm: Oh, but it does matter. Hunter is pardoned for any crimes that may have been committed from 1 January 2014 to 1 December 2024. So he can be charged for earlier or later crimes depending on the Statute of Limitations. ::) Sure can, Lee. Hunter can be charged for any or all crimes he commits from this day forth. Happy now? ;D He's got us now, Greggery. Lee's scrambling to Google the statutes of limitations in 50 states. He should be back tomorrow with a response. Cunning, no? Will they find video footage of Hunter jaywalking way back in 2009? Lock him up!

I can't see why not, Greggery. What's the statute of limitations on local ordinance violations?

Looks like Lee will have to include the city and county statutes too.

Chop chop, Lee.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:34pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-?

Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote]

What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-?

Panther?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-?

He pardoned his own son even though Joe himself was involved in his son's crimes.

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:56pm:

Sure can, Lee. Hunter can be charged for any or all crimes he commits from this day forth. Happy now?

You left out priors. ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:55pm:

What are the alleged crimes that are said to have been committed before 2014?

Ah so you mean he was a cleanskin and feel to the dark side and is now reformed. ;D ;D ;D ;D


greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:55pm:

And, what are the alleged crimes he's going to commit in the future?

Oh dear and now he wants Nostradamus. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:55pm: What are the alleged crimes that are said to have been committed before 2014? Ah so you mean he was a cleanskin and feel to the dark side and is now reformed. ;D ;D ;D ;D greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:55pm: And, what are the alleged crimes he's going to commit in the future? Oh dear and now he wants Nostradamus. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It was from Frank, dear. Not me.

Why won't Frank answer the question?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

Will they find video footage of Hunter jaywalking way back in 2009?

Oh dear. A misdemeanour.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-? He pardoned his own son even though Joe himself was involved in his son's crimes.

Is this the alternative facts we hear about from the deluded MAGA cult....How was Joe involved in any crimes Hunter has been pardoned for Bobby???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-? He pardoned his own son even though Joe himself was involved in his son's crimes. Is this the alternative facts we hear about from the deluded MAGA cult....How was Joe involved in any crimes Hunter has been pardoned for Bobby??? ::) ::) ::)

He was only 10% involved. Is that enough for a conviction.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-? He pardoned his own son even though Joe himself was involved in his son's crimes. Is this the alternative facts we hear about from the deluded MAGA cult....How was Joe involved in any crimes Hunter has been pardoned for Bobby??? ::) ::) ::)

Maybe Joe handed Hunter the pen that he used to fill in the firearms application.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Is this the alternative facts we hear about from the deluded MAGA cult....How was Joe involved in any crimes Hunter has been pardoned for Bobby??? ::) ::) ::)

Washing Money in Ukraine?
10% for the big guy?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fatg35gXkAIBI49.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-? He pardoned his own son even though Joe himself was involved in his son's crimes.

Who did your DL pardon, Bobby?

Up for one?

lee wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:03pm: Will they find video footage of Hunter jaywalking way back in 2009? Oh dear. A misdemeanour.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

As you can see, Greggery, Lee takes crime most seriously.

Rule of law, innit.

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one?

Dunno - who did Trump pardon?

Are you still a Democrat?

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] What was corrupt Bobby....Is it a crime for the President to pardon anyone....You avoid the question??? :-? :-? :-? He pardoned his own son even though Joe himself was involved in his son's crimes. Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one?

I might be able to help Bobby out on this one.

Charles Kushner - was there some sort of pardon involved with that gentleman?

And, who is he anyway?  The name sounds familiar.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Is this the alternative facts we hear about from the deluded MAGA cult....How was Joe involved in any crimes Hunter has been pardoned for Bobby??? ::) ::) ::)

Washing Money in Ukraine?
10% for the big guy?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fatg35gXkAIBI49.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon?

Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby.

One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner.

Ever heard of him?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon? Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby. One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner. Ever heard of him?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-donald-trump-pardon-know-195240950.html

Charles Kushner

Charles Kushner is the founder of Kushner Companies, a New York based real estate company. He was convicted of preparing false tax returns, retaliating against a cooperating witness, and making false statements to the Federal Election Commission in 2005.

He served more than 16 months of a two-year sentence in federal prison and a halfway program before he was released in 2006, NorthJersey.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, reported. Trump pardoned Charles Kushner in 2020, saying at the time that Kushner was devoted to philanthropic organizations and causes.

“This record of reform and charity overshadows Mr. Kushner’s conviction and 2 year sentence for preparing false tax returns, witness retaliation, and making false statements” the White House said at the time.

Trump selected Charles Kushner to serve as U.S. ambassador to France last week.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon? Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby. One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner. Ever heard of him?

Ah, now I know where I've heard that name.

Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 5:34pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-?

Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote]

Will do, Bobby.

nepotism: the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives, friends, or associates ...

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:52pm:

As you can see, Greggery, Lee takes crime most seriously. Rule of law, innit.

Poor karny.

"A misdemeanor is a type of criminal offense that is not as serious as a felony offense."

In fact jaywalking can be merely an infraction. The penalties can be a warning, a fine or very rarely arrest. ;)

https://kamanlaw.com/is-jaywalking-illegal-in-the-u-s/

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon? Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby. One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner. Ever heard of him? Ah, now I know where I've heard that name. Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon. Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

Thats nothing, Obama pardoned 330 people in one day. Lots of cocaine dealers, armed robbers, fraudsters, firearm dealers and money launderers. In total 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:34pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 5:21pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1733185892/22#22 date=1733210192]The President can do what ever they like as long as it is in there official duties....The pardon power for Presidents is a free pass to sanction corruption....What a load of bullshit!!! ::) ::) ::) So you agree that Biden is corrupt? My comment states the exact opposite....Pardoning criminals is within the Presidents power....Were is the corruption Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Check out the word - nepotism.     :-[/quote] Will do, Bobby. nepotism: the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives, friends, or associates ... Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon. Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

More on nepotism, Bobbi.

nepotism: the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.

Jared Kushner (son of Charles Kushner) and Ivanka Trump reported between $172 million and $640 million in outside income while working in the White House, according to an analysis of financial disclosures by CREW. It is impossible to tell the exact amount as the income is sometimes reported in broad ranges and cover four months of income before Ivanka Trump officially joined her father’s administration and nearly one month before Jared Kushner joined.

Both Kushner and Trump announced they would not take a salary while working for the government in an attempt to shut down nepotism concerns. While their supporters marked this as a public sacrifice, the massive amount of money they made on the side undercuts that argument, as government salaries would have been less than 1% of their income.

Thoughts, Bobbi?   :-/

Quote:

Thoughts, Bobby?

Are you saying because Trump did it - it's OK for Joe to do it too? -

even with his own son?

Leroy wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon? Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby. One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner. Ever heard of him? Ah, now I know where I've heard that name. Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon. Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign. Thats nothing, Obama pardoned 330 people in one day. Lots of cocaine dealers, armed robbers, fraudsters, firearm dealers and money launderers. In total 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes.

We need to clarify this.

Obama issued 212 pardons (and 1715 commutations) in eight years.

The rapist issued 143 pardons (and 94 commutations) in just four years.

Moreover, the rapist pardoned his daughter's father-in-law.

You know, the daughter he wants to bugger - not the other one, whatever her name is.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:27pm:

Quote: Thoughts, Bobby? Are you saying because Trump did it - it's OK for Joe to do it too? - even with his own son?

Yes.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:27pm: Quote: Thoughts, Bobby? Are you saying because Trump did it - it's OK for Joe to do it too? - even with his own son? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

What if Joe raped a woman and said -

when you're a star they let you do it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon? Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby. One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner. Ever heard of him?

Also a few others:


Quote:

Roger Stone Charles Kushner George Papadopoulos (Russia ) Michael T. Flynn Dinesh D'Souza (25 goats) Paul J. Manafort Stephen Bannon Glen Moss (Trumps golf club) Mark Shapiro Jeff Cheney

Dnarever wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:51pm: Who did your DL pardon, Bobby? Up for one? Dunno - who did Trump pardon? Trump issued close to 200 pardons and commutations in his final days as president, Bobby. One of the lucky ones to receive a pardon was Charles Kushner. Ever heard of him? Also a few others: Quote: Roger Stone Charles Kushner George Papadopoulos (Russia ) Michael T. Flynn Dinesh D'Souza (25 goats) Paul J. Manafort Stephen Bannon Glen Moss (Trumps golf club) Mark Shapiro Jeff Cheney

What was it that Bobbi said?

"Check out the word - nepotism."

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:27pm: Quote: Thoughts, Bobby? Are you saying because Trump did it - it's OK for Joe to do it too? - even with his own son? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Yep - Trump should be in prison - he is a criminal. If Trump is beyond the law why should he be the only one ?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Yep - Trump should be in prison - he is a criminal. If Trump is beyond the law why should he be the only one ?

Maybe you don't become rich and powerful by being honest?

Did anyone watch this?

THE ANSWER IS NO. JOE BIDEN WILL NOT PARDON HUNTER.


https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1863426095049031999

Fact checking on Elons X  :)

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Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Fact checking on Elons X  :)

I agree....The whole pardon process places the President in a position to abuse his power....However as it is an official act it is not illegal....Just immoral!!!

::) ::) ::)

Dnarever wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:27pm: Quote: Thoughts, Bobby? Are you saying because Trump did it - it's OK for Joe to do it too? - even with his own son? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yep - Trump should be in prison - he is a criminal. If Trump is beyond the law why should he be the only one ?

Exactly.

It's almost as if right-wingers have double standards.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Fact checking on Elons X  :)

Here's another fact for you, Baron:

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

I assume you're outraged.

Quote:

We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department. President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade. Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974. “I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues. “Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added. Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction. So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board. The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.) “As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time. Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney. “It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101

The leftist Politico.com is saying this pardon is suss.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Quote: We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department. President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade. Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974. “I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues. “Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added. Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction. So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board. The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.) “As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time. Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney. “It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 The leftist Politico.com is saying this pardon is suss.

Is this suss, Baron?

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Quote: We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department. President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade. Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974. “I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues. “Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added. Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction. So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board. The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.) “As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time. Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney. “It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 The leftist Politico.com is saying this pardon is suss.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 8:12pm: Quote: We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department. President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade. Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974. “I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues. “Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added. Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction. So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board. The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.) “As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time. Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney. “It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 The leftist Politico.com is saying this pardon is suss.

Is this suss, Baron?

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

trump has an obligation to look after people like kushner.
they are his family
have you not seen brando in godfather 1

trump loves all his people and is happy to do them favours.


his enemies?, well thats an entirely and appropriately different matter

they need to bend the knee and pledge fielty or they can faaaark off to canada ;)

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 8:12pm: Quote: We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department. President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade. Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974. “I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues. “Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added. Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction. So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board. The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.) “As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time. Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney. “It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 The leftist Politico.com is saying this pardon is suss.

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aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:33pm:

trump loves all his people ...

Lol   ;D

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 8:24pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 8:12pm: Quote: We haven’t seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden’s in generations The “full and unconditional” pardon is aimed at protecting the president’s son from future prosecution by the Trump Justice Department. President Joe Biden’s grant of clemency on Sunday night — an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth — insulates his son from ever facing federal charges over any crimes he possibly could have committed over the past decade. Experts on pardons said they could think of only one other person who has received a presidential pardon so sweeping in generations: Nixon, who was given a blanket pardon by Gerald Ford in 1974. “I have never seen language like this in a pardon document that purports to pardon offenses that have not apparently even been charged, with the exception of the Nixon pardon,” said Margaret Love, who served from 1990 to 1997 as the U.S. pardon attorney, a Justice Department position devoted to assisting the president on clemency issues. “Even the broadest Trump pardons were specific as to what was being pardoned,” Love added. Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction. So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1, 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. The starting date of Jan. 1, 2014, in the Biden pardon was surely not chosen randomly: Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company, in April 2014, while his father was vice president. Republicans have accused the younger Biden of illegally profiting off his position on that board. The pardon came the day after Trump announced he would nominate Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist, as FBI director. Last year, when it appeared that Hunter Biden was on the verge of a plea deal to resolve his legal troubles, Patel criticized the deal as unusually lenient. (The deal later collapsed.) “As a former federal public defender and national security prosecutor, this case has singularly done more damage to the institution of justice than I’ve ever seen in my life,” Patel said at the time. Trump will not be able to undo the pardon when he takes office. And its sweeping nature means the Trump Justice Department will not be able to reopen the long-running criminal probe of the president’s son, according to Samuel Morison, a lawyer focused on clemency who spent 13 years in the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney. “It is an extraordinarily broad grant,” he said. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/02/hunter-biden-pardon-nixon-00192101 The leftist Politico.com is saying this pardon is suss.

Is this suss, Baron?

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 8:02pm: Fact checking on Elons X  :) I agree....The whole pardon process places the President in a position to abuse his power....However as it is an official act it is not illegal....Just immoral!!! ::) ::) ::)

Yes Trump pardoned hundreds mostly drug traffickers. some say @ $2,000,000 a pop.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:40pm: Yep - Trump should be in prison - he is a criminal. If Trump is beyond the law why should he be the only one ? Maybe you don't become rich and powerful by being honest?

Would you prefer he was dishonest?

That's a question.

good on you Biden

The idea of a presidential pardon is deeply flawed.
Look how trump abuses it

Karnal wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:45pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 7:40pm: Yep - Trump should be in prison - he is a criminal. If Trump is beyond the law why should he be the only one ? Maybe you don't become rich and powerful by being honest? Would you prefer he was dishonest? That's a question.

You can't go through life being honest all the time -
you wouldn't have a job if you told the boss at work what you thought of him.

No one makes it big by being honest - you have to be a crook with a smile on your face.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:11pm:

good on you Biden The idea of a presidential pardon is deeply flawed. Look how trump abuses it

Joe is the first President in US history to pardon his son who was a crackhead.

Trump was impeached for wanting to investigate the crimes Joe Biden just pardoned his son for.

Biden’s Presidency started with him denying the existence of Hunter’s laptop and is ending with Biden pardoning Hunter for all the things found on his laptop.

Part of the crime pardoned was Hunter's funneling Ukrainian money to Joe 10% for the big guy.

Biden,who will not even meet with his grand daughter Navy, didn’t pardon his son because he’s a good father. He did so because, as his son admits on the Hard Drive, for 30 years Hunter has given half the millions he’s collected to the Boss of the Crime Family- Joe Biden.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:11pm: good on you Biden The idea of a presidential pardon is deeply flawed. Look how trump abuses it Joe is the first President in US history to pardon his son who was a crackhead. Trump was impeached for wanting to investigate the crimes Joe Biden just pardoned his son for. Biden’s Presidency started with him denying the existence of Hunter’s laptop and is ending with Biden pardoning Hunter for all the things found on his laptop. Part of the crime pardoned was Hunter's funneling Ukrainian money to Joe 10% for the big guy. Biden,who will not even meet with his grand daughter Navy, didn’t pardon his son because he’s a good father. He did so because, as his son admits on the Hard Drive, for 30 years Hunter has given half the millions he’s collected to the Boss of the Crime Family- Joe Biden.

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 9:11pm: good on you Biden The idea of a presidential pardon is deeply flawed. Look how trump abuses it Joe is the first President in US history to pardon his son who was a crackhead. Trump was impeached for wanting to investigate the crimes Joe Biden just pardoned his son for. Biden’s Presidency started with him denying the existence of Hunter’s laptop and is ending with Biden pardoning Hunter for all the things found on his laptop. Part of the crime pardoned was Hunter's funneling Ukrainian money to Joe 10% for the big guy. Biden,who will not even meet with his grand daughter Navy, didn’t pardon his son because he’s a good father. He did so because, as his son admits on the Hard Drive, for 30 years Hunter has given half the millions he’s collected to the Boss of the Crime Family- Joe Biden.

Biden is a crook who is above the law.

Many posters here support Biden.

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The Bidens’ Influence Peddling Timeline Since taking the gavel in January, the Committee on Oversight and Accountability has accelerated its investigation of the Biden family’s domestic and international business practices to determine whether the Biden family has been targeted by foreign actors, President Biden is compromised, and our national security is threatened. Records obtained through the Committee’s subpoenas to date reveal that the Bidens and their associates have received over $20 million in payments from foreign entities. The main points of interest are: 1) Romania: On September 28, 2015, Vice President Biden welcomed Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. Within five weeks of this meeting, a Romanian businessman involved with a high-profile corruption prosecution in Romania, Gabriel Popoviciu, began depositing a Biden associate’s bank account, which ultimately made their way into Biden family accounts. Popoviciu made sixteen of the seventeen payments, totaling over $3 million, to the Biden associate account while Joe Biden was Vice President.  2) China- CEFC: On March 1, 2017—less than two months after Vice President Joe Biden left public office—State Energy HK Limited, a Chinese company, wired $3 million to a Biden associate’s account. This is the same bank account used in the above “Romania” section. After the Chinese company wired the Biden associate account the $3 million, the Biden family received approximately $1,065,692 over a three-month period in different bank accounts. 4) Kazakhstan: On April 22, 2014, Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani oligarch used his Singaporean entity, Novatus Holdings, to wire one of Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca entities $142,300. The very next day—April 23, 2014—the Rosemont Seneca entity transferred the exact same amount of money to a car dealership for a car for Hunter Biden. 5) Ukraine: Devon Archer joined the Burisma board of directors in spring of 2014 and was joined by Hunter Biden shortly thereafter.  Hunter Biden joined the company as counsel, but after a meeting with Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky in Lake Como, Italy, was elevated to the board of directors in the spring of 2014.  Both Biden and Archer were each paid $1 million per year for their positions on the board of directors.  In December 2015, after a Burisma board of directors meeting, Zlochevsky and Hunter Biden “called D.C.” in the wake of mounting pressures the company was facing.  Zlochevsky was later charged with bribing Ukrainian officials with $6 million in an attempt to delay or drop the investigation into his company.  The total amount from Ukraine to the Biden family and their associates is $6.5 million. 6) Russia: On February 14, 2014, a Russian oligarch and Russia’s richest woman, Yelena Baturina, wired a Rosemont Seneca entity $3.5 million.  On March 11, 2014, the wire was split up: $750,000 was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was sent to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a company Devon Archer and Hunter Biden split equally.  In spring of 2014, Yelena Baturina joined Hunter Biden and Devon Archer to share a meal with then-Vice President Biden at a restaurant in Washington, D.C.  The total amount from Russia to the Biden family and their associates is $3.5 million. https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

Corrupt Joe pardoned his son for all of this

Come 20 Jan, the Bidens are on the hook.

There will be new charges.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:28pm:

Come 20 Jan, the Biden's are on the hook. There will be new charges.

Relating to what alleged crimes, and in what year?

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:15pm:

Quote: The Bidens’ Influence Peddling Timeline Since taking the gavel in January, the Committee on Oversight and Accountability has accelerated its investigation of the Biden family’s domestic and international business practices to determine whether the Biden family has been targeted by foreign actors, President Biden is compromised, and our national security is threatened. Records obtained through the Committee’s subpoenas to date reveal that the Bidens and their associates have received over $20 million in payments from foreign entities. The main points of interest are: 1) Romania: On September 28, 2015, Vice President Biden welcomed Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. Within five weeks of this meeting, a Romanian businessman involved with a high-profile corruption prosecution in Romania, Gabriel Popoviciu, began depositing a Biden associate’s bank account, which ultimately made their way into Biden family accounts. Popoviciu made sixteen of the seventeen payments, totaling over $3 million, to the Biden associate account while Joe Biden was Vice President.  2) China- CEFC: On March 1, 2017—less than two months after Vice President Joe Biden left public office—State Energy HK Limited, a Chinese company, wired $3 million to a Biden associate’s account. This is the same bank account used in the above “Romania” section. After the Chinese company wired the Biden associate account the $3 million, the Biden family received approximately $1,065,692 over a three-month period in different bank accounts. 4) Kazakhstan: On April 22, 2014, Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani oligarch used his Singaporean entity, Novatus Holdings, to wire one of Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca entities $142,300. The very next day—April 23, 2014—the Rosemont Seneca entity transferred the exact same amount of money to a car dealership for a car for Hunter Biden. 5) Ukraine: Devon Archer joined the Burisma board of directors in spring of 2014 and was joined by Hunter Biden shortly thereafter.  Hunter Biden joined the company as counsel, but after a meeting with Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky in Lake Como, Italy, was elevated to the board of directors in the spring of 2014.  Both Biden and Archer were each paid $1 million per year for their positions on the board of directors.  In December 2015, after a Burisma board of directors meeting, Zlochevsky and Hunter Biden “called D.C.” in the wake of mounting pressures the company was facing.  Zlochevsky was later charged with bribing Ukrainian officials with $6 million in an attempt to delay or drop the investigation into his company.  The total amount from Ukraine to the Biden family and their associates is $6.5 million. 6) Russia: On February 14, 2014, a Russian oligarch and Russia’s richest woman, Yelena Baturina, wired a Rosemont Seneca entity $3.5 million.  On March 11, 2014, the wire was split up: $750,000 was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was sent to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a company Devon Archer and Hunter Biden split equally.  In spring of 2014, Yelena Baturina joined Hunter Biden and Devon Archer to share a meal with then-Vice President Biden at a restaurant in Washington, D.C.  The total amount from Russia to the Biden family and their associates is $3.5 million. https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/ Corrupt Joe pardoned his son for all of this

Charles Kushner is the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and a wealthy real estate executive who pleaded guilty years ago to tax evasion and making illegal campaign donations. The two knew each other from real estate circles and their children were married in 2009. Trump issued him a full pardon.

Kushner, who is from New Jersey, pleaded guilty to 18 counts that also included witness tampering and was sentenced in 2005 to two years in prison, but emerged to resume his career in real estate and his company Kushner Cos. purchased the famed Watchtower complex along the Brooklyn Bridge, the former headquarters for the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Kushner was also a major Democratic donor, and agreed to pay $508, 900 to the Federal Election Commission after he violated contribution regulations by failing to obtain an OK from partners to whom more than $500,000 in campaign contributions were attributed. But, he donated more than $100,000 to Trump’s 2015 campaign.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Trump's first acts is to pardon Joe Biden for any crimes he may have committed during his administration.

I have a feeling that he views Biden's removal as the Democrat candidate as unforgivable - loyalty being central to Trump's psyche.

Who knows? Maybe Biden's endorsement of Harris was the last sting in his tail against his own party, given the party seniors including Obama were against her candidacy.

That, and his bizarre outburst after the Puerto Rico joke - calling Trump supporters 'garbage' - and by that evoking the ghost of Hillary Clinton's 'deplorables' into voters' consciousness.

Republicans are complaining the Presidential pardon power is being abused and I totally agree....Any President who pardons a family member should be held in contempt....Why should criminals get out of jail (not that Hunter was in jail) because there relative is President of the United States....Corruption is intergrated into the American system!!!

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 3:06pm:

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Trump's first acts is to pardon Joe Biden for any crimes he may have committed during his administration. I have a feeling that he views Biden's removal as the Democrat candidate as unforgivable - loyalty being central to Trump's psyche. Who knows? Maybe Biden's endorsement of Harris was the last sting in his tail against his own party, given the party seniors including Obama were against her candidacy. That, and his bizarre outburst after the Puerto Rico joke - calling Trump supporters 'garbage' - and by that evoking the ghost of Hillary Clinton's 'deplorables' into voters' consciousness.

They endorsed her, it was only after she lost and the finger pointing started that they realized they had blown 1.6bil.

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 3:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 3:06pm: I wouldn't be surprised if one of Trump's first acts is to pardon Joe Biden for any crimes he may have committed during his administration. I have a feeling that he views Biden's removal as the Democrat candidate as unforgivable - loyalty being central to Trump's psyche. Who knows? Maybe Biden's endorsement of Harris was the last sting in his tail against his own party, given the party seniors including Obama were against her candidacy. That, and his bizarre outburst after the Puerto Rico joke - calling Trump supporters 'garbage' - and by that evoking the ghost of Hillary Clinton's 'deplorables' into voters' consciousness. They endorsed her, it was only after she lost and the finger pointing started that they realized they had blown 1.6bil.

Obama led the charge not to give the candidacy to Harris and took five days to publicly endorse her.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Obama led the charge not to give the candidacy to Harris and took five days to publicly endorse her.

Her endorsements were staged, they wanted to slow feed the endorsements to gain maximum coverage, Thats how it works, build interest and then endorse. Having 30 people endorse her on the same day would see most of the endorsements have no impact. People don't just endorse a candidate they are told when to endorse. If Trump would do something then they would quickly release an endorsement to try and bring the focus back onto Kamala.

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aquascoot wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:33pm:

trump has an obligation to look after people like kushner. they are his family have you not seen brando in godfather 1 trump loves all his people and is happy to do them favours. his enemies?, well thats an entirely and appropriately different matter they need to bend the knee and pledge fielty or they can faaaark off to canada ;)

CANADA — The celebrities who fled the U.S. in horror following Trump's presidential victory are finding themselves right back where they started: under the tyrannical iron fist of Trump's authoritarian will. Trump's surprise announcement to annex Canada has sent ripples through the persecuted celebrity community.

"All those celebrities — all terrible and untalented, by the way — are Americans again," Trump posted on Truth Social. "I have taken Canada as America's 51st state. They now live in MAGA country, which is the best country, even if they don't know that. They don't have to thank me, but I'll still say 'You're welcome, celebrities.'"

Several celebrities, including Robert DeNiro, Meryl Streep, and Alec Baldwin are all feeling the heat, each of them concerned they will soon have to get pregnant and wear Handmaid's Tale uniforms.

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Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 11:28pm:

Come 20 Jan, the Bidens are on the hook. There will be new charges.

Agreed, dear boy. Congress can make a new law and charge SJ for pardoning Hunter.

LAWFARE !!!