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Evidence Suggests FDR Let Pearl Harbor Happen to Force America into WWII 83 years ago yesterday, America was brought into war with what was described then, and has been described consistently since, as a “sneak attack” by Imperial Japan. Then-President Franklin Roosevelt gave a speech on December 8th before Congress where he described it as a “Day of Infamy” where America was suddenly and deliberately attacked. What Roosevelt failed to mention is that he knew the attack was going to happen, the government had received copious warnings about what was going to happen, and those warnings were not only ignored but steps were taken to facilitate the Japanese attack. A series of events and factual matters strongly suggest that Roosevelt not only wanted war, but employed his top officials to help him in that effort. The Chief of Naval Operations, Lt. Cmdr. Arthur H. McCollum wrote the eight-action-points-memo on Oct. 7, 1940 to try to get Japan to attack the United States first. Gold Skyrocketed 51% During Trump’s First Term – Will It Do The Same In Trump’s Second Term? You can read the entire important McCollum memo about baiting Japan into war here. This memo was originally uncovered by historian Robert Stinnett (1924-2018) and published in his 1999 work, “Day of Deceit.” Here’s the key section: IT IS NOT BELIEVE THAT IN THE PRESENT STATE OF POLITICAL OPINION THE UNITO STATES COVERNMENT IS CAPABLE OF OCCLARINO WAR AGAINST JAPAN WITHOUT MORE ADOS AND IT IS BARELY POSSIBLE THAT VIGOROUS ACTICN ON OUR PART MIGHT LEAO THE JAPANESE TO MODIFY THEIR AFTITUDE, THERCORE, THE POLLOWING COURSE OF ACTION IS SUGGESTED: A. MAKE AN ARRANSEMENT WITH BRITAIN FOR THE USE OF BRITISH BASES IN THE PACIFIO, PARTICULARLY SINGAGPORE. B. WAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH HOLLANO FOR THE USE OF BASE FACILITIES AND ACQUISITION OF SUPPLIES IN THE DUTCH EAST INDIES. C. GIVE ALL POSSIBLE AID TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT oF CHIANG-KAI-SHEK. D. SENO A DIVISION OF LONG RANGE HEAVY CRUISERS TO THE ORIENT, PHILIPPINES, OR SINGAPORE: E• SENO TWO DIVISIONS OF SUBMARINES TO THE ORIENT. F. KEEP THE MAIN STRENGTH OF THE U.S. FLEET NOW IN THE PACIFIO IN THE VICINITY OF THE HAWAIIRN ISLAN G• INSIST THAT THE DUTCH REFUSE, TO GRANT JAPANESE OCMANDS FOR UNOVE COONOMIC CONCESSIONS, PARTI- CULARLY 01k0 H. COMPLETELY EMBARGO ALL U,S, TRADE WITH JAPAN, IN COLLABORATION WITH A SIMILAR EMBARDO IMPOSED BY THE BRITISH EMPIRE. orEA유성 IF BY THESE MEANS JAPAN COULO BE LEO TO COMMIT AN ٠٥٢ ٨٨ MUCH THE OCTTER, AT ALL EVENTS WE MUST BE FULLY PREPAREO TO ACCEPT THE THREAT OF wAR. On October 10, 1940, Roosevelt brought in his Pacific commanders and informed them that he sought to go to war with Japan quietly and with economics. This left them ‘amazed’ according to later testimony by Admiral James O. Richardson.

We have been lied to our entire lives - Our history is nothing more than a set of lies agreed upon by those pulling the levers behind the curtains quietly running the world’s narrative..

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.. TELEGRAM RECEIVED FROM. Vptentof5 1941 KD This telegram must be closely paraphrased be- TOTE being communicated to anyone. (D) Tokyo Dated January 27, 1941 REo! d. 6:38 a.m. SEcrEtary of State, Washington. COPIES IN BARAPHRASE • D. DENCE 1/48/4L 125, January 27, 6 p.m. ly Peruvian Colleague told a member oi my stuff that he had heard from many sources in- cluding a JapanesE source that the Japanese military forces planned, in the event of trouble with the United States, to attempt a surprise naus attack on Perrl Hroor using all of their military facilities. He added that although the project sremed fantastic the fact that he had heard it from many sources prompted him to pass on the information.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 6:04am:

We have been lied to our entire lives - Our history is nothing more than a set of lies agreed upon by those pulling the levers behind the curtains quietly running the world’s narrative..

That story is as old as the war itself.

Roosevelt agreed with Churchill that the German Nazi government represented a serious, if not existential, threat to US interests and would have declared war on Germany at the same time, or soon after, as Britain and France did.

However, he faced an isolationist Congress and deep unpopularity among the American people, at the idea of being dragged into bloody European affairs again within less than one generation.

Japanese deep resentment of being thwarted by European powers in Southeast Asia, who imagined themselves as would-be liberators of the region from European colonisers - particularly the US, the British and the Dutch, was well known and Roosevelt was in no mood to appease them, even though appeasement was the flavour of the decade in 30s Europe.

Japanese overreach could not have come soon enough for Roosevelt.

Bearing in mind that, while he could not have known the extent of damage the Japanese would inflict on Pearl Harbour, he was most likely prepared to accept whatever damage it would take to turn Congress and the American people toward a total commitment to war - maybe even the Japanese occupation of Hawaii.

Not much of a speller, was he - this 'Chief Of Naval Operations Lieutenant Commander (Major)'..... just saying.

The infamy seems to be the un-gentlemanly conduct of Japan not declaring war before attacking. The Jap Navy left the Army out of the loop and the Jap embassy took all day to translate its declaration.  This was useful for US news spin.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 6:04am: We have been lied to our entire lives - Our history is nothing more than a set of lies agreed upon by those pulling the levers behind the curtains quietly running the world’s narrative.. That story is as old as the war itself. Roosevelt agreed with Churchill that the German Nazi government represented a serious, if not existential, threat to US interests and would have declared war on Germany at the same time, or soon after, as Britain and France did. However, he faced an isolationist Congress and deep unpopularity among the American people, at the idea of being dragged into bloody European affairs again within less than one generation. Japanese deep resentment of being thwarted by European powers in Southeast Asia, who imagined themselves as would-be liberators of the region from European colonisers - particularly the US, the British and the Dutch, was well known and Roosevelt was in no mood to appease them, even though appeasement was the flavour of the decade in 30s Europe. Japanese overreach could not have come soon enough for Roosevelt. Bearing in mind that, while he could not have known the extent of damage the Japanese would inflict on Pearl Harbour, he was most likely prepared to accept whatever damage it would take to turn Congress and the American people toward a total commitment to war - maybe even the Japanese occupation of Hawaii.

So this is the thing - he deliberately allowed an attack on the US and its citizens killing many…

He even put a stack of war ships in one bay which was against regulations …

And as you say - he did it to anger Americans and Congress so that he could go to war…

………………..

So here’s the thing - people should be outraged and rioting in the streets abouts this deception and traitorous actions

Nearly 2500 innocent people died on that day due to the actions of US government - followed by nearly half a million dead by wars end…

Once again - our history is nothing more that a set of lies agreed upon by scum who call themselves “elite”

US and UK businesses were selling hardware and fuels to both sides filling up their pockets while their countrymen died (not their own families though)

Everything is a rich mans trick…

Now have a think about this..

How many “Events” have been “staged” in the last 120+ years so that the US could enter wars illegally and illegally enter a sovereign country to kill millions of innocent people and then take their wealth…

I’ll start… Vietnam was one… The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident..


Oh.. whats that other word im thinking of..  :-/

Oh thats it - FALSE FLAG OPERATION

And here’s another question - how many times are we going to fall for it?

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

So here’s the thing - people should be outraged and rioting in the streets abouts this deception and traitorous actions

Roosevelt hasn't been seen for interviews for some time. Nor Johnson. A couple of people did protest to Johnson about something. 

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 7:08am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 6:04am: We have been lied to our entire lives - Our history is nothing more than a set of lies agreed upon by those pulling the levers behind the curtains quietly running the world’s narrative.. That story is as old as the war itself. Roosevelt agreed with Churchill that the German Nazi government represented a serious, if not existential, threat to US interests and would have declared war on Germany at the same time, or soon after, as Britain and France did. However, he faced an isolationist Congress and deep unpopularity among the American people, at the idea of being dragged into bloody European affairs again within less than one generation. Japanese deep resentment of being thwarted by European powers in Southeast Asia, who imagined themselves as would-be liberators of the region from European colonisers - particularly the US, the British and the Dutch, was well known and Roosevelt was in no mood to appease them, even though appeasement was the flavour of the decade in 30s Europe. Japanese overreach could not have come soon enough for Roosevelt. Bearing in mind that, while he could not have known the extent of damage the Japanese would inflict on Pearl Harbour, he was most likely prepared to accept whatever damage it would take to turn Congress and the American people toward a total commitment to war - maybe even the Japanese occupation of Hawaii. So this is the thing - he deliberately allowed an attack on the US and its citizens killing many… He even put a stack of war ships in one bay which was against regulations … And as you say - he did it to anger Americans and Congress so that he could go to war… ……………….. So here’s the thing - people should be outraged and rioting in the streets abouts this deception and traitorous actions Nearly 2500 innocent people died on that day due to the actions of US government - followed by nearly half a million dead by wars end… Once again - our history is nothing more that a set of lies agreed upon by scum who call themselves “elite” US and UK businesses were selling hardware and fuels to both sides filling up their pockets while their countrymen died (not their own families though) Everything is a rich mans trick…

Nazi Germany was always destined to be a major existential threat to US interests.

Popular American isolationism was always destined to be a fool's errand.

An executive head of state or HOG does not have the luxury of taking the moral high ground of being dedicated to protecting every citizen always and everywhere at the cost of their nation's greater interests.

Congress and the American people quickly realised their mistake in allowing threats to US national interests to become so great that they posed, not just a threat to national interests, but a serious existential threat, as did the British people before them.

For example, what would have been the outcome had Germany, the leading nation in atomic science in the 30s, developed a nuclear weapon in, say, 1943?

I think Roosevelt did turn a blind eye to the Japs but
many historians vigorously deny it.
I don't think we'll ever know the truth.

Still - the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 9:46am:

I think Roosevelt did turn a blind eye to the Japs but many historians vigorously deny it. I don't think we'll ever know the truth. Still - the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor.

Yes, we will never know.

However, Roosevelt did know that the Japanese were sabre-rattling and railing, throughout the 30s, against European colonial powers blocking their imperial expansion into Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

The world witnessed what Japan had done in Manchuria - so knew what they were capable of.

Roosevelt had also read and was deeply impressed with Churchill's 4-volume biography of John Churchill, the 1st Duke of Marlborough, (of whom Winston was a direct descendant) and the Duke's insistence that France's Louis XIV posed an existential threat to Britain and its burgeoning empire, and had to be defeated at all costs.

By 1940, history was proving both Churchills, (John and Winston) right.

Roosevelt was a Chucrhillian in this regard since the mid-30s - appeasement being a flagrant display of weakness to rising powers.

“appeasement being a flagrant display of weakness to rising powers.”

Well, there is LOTS of appeasement to ruzzia’s invasion of Ukraine!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:46am: I think Roosevelt did turn a blind eye to the Japs but many historians vigorously deny it. I don't think we'll ever know the truth. Still - the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor. Yes, we will never know. However, Roosevelt did know that the Japanese were sabre-rattling and railing, throughout the 30s, against European colonial powers blocking their imperial expansion into Southeast Asia and the Pacific. The world witnessed what Japan had done in Manchuria - so knew what they were capable of. Roosevelt had also read and was deeply impressed with Churchill's 4-volume biography of John Churchill, the 1st Duke of Marlborough, (of whom Winston was a direct descendant) and the Duke's insistence that France's Louis XIV posed an existential threat to Britain and its burgeoning empire, and had to be defeated at all costs. By 1940, history was proving both Churchills, (John and Winston) right. Roosevelt was a Chucrhillian in this regard since the mid-30s - appeasement being a flagrant display of weakness to rising powers.

I bet you'd find that a lot of the documents and
US Govt information from 1941 is still top secret.

They are hiding something.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

“appeasement being a flagrant display of weakness to rising powers.” Well, there is LOTS of appeasement to ruzzia’s invasion of Ukraine!

Oh really? So the hundreds of billions in military aid to Ukraine, NATO's war footing, Finland's and Sweden's lightning entry into NATO, the militaries of Poland, the Baltics, Sweden and Finland chomping at the bit to make hills of Russian soldiers' corpses so high, it would fertilise Ukrainian soil for five years...

Appeasement, you think?

Japan had to be stopped from occupying Manchuria, and which was not acting like gentlemen.  The civilised US occupied the Philippines which Spain had colonised.

'Philippine-American War (1899-1902): Over 4,200 US soldiers and over 20,000 Filipino combatants died, and an estimated 200,000 Filipino civilians died from violence, famine, and disease. War crimes were committed by both sides, including torture, mutilation, and summary executions'.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:01am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:46am: I think Roosevelt did turn a blind eye to the Japs but many historians vigorously deny it. I don't think we'll ever know the truth. Still - the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor. Yes, we will never know. However, Roosevelt did know that the Japanese were sabre-rattling and railing, throughout the 30s, against European colonial powers blocking their imperial expansion into Southeast Asia and the Pacific. The world witnessed what Japan had done in Manchuria - so knew what they were capable of. Roosevelt had also read and was deeply impressed with Churchill's 4-volume biography of John Churchill, the 1st Duke of Marlborough, (of whom Winston was a direct descendant) and the Duke's insistence that France's Louis XIV posed an existential threat to Britain and its burgeoning empire, and had to be defeated at all costs. By 1940, history was proving both Churchills, (John and Winston) right. Roosevelt was a Chucrhillian in this regard since the mid-30s - appeasement being a flagrant display of weakness to rising powers. I bet you'd find that a lot of the documents and US Govt information from 1941 is still top secret. They are hiding something.

Maybe... I doubt it., but... at least nothing that can be conclusively proved.

Put it this way... If Roosevelt had turned a blind eye, he would have been right to do so, anyway.

I bet that he may have been prepared to temporarily sacrifice Hawaii if that's what it took to waken the American people to the true threat of the Axis powers, or he calculated that Japan could do some damage, but that Hawaii was too remote for Japan to be a threat to the entire territory... but enough damage that he could justifiably declare war.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Maybe... I doubt it., but... at least nothing that can be conclusively proved. Put it this way... If Roosevelt had turned a blind eye, he would have been right to do so, anyway. I bet that he may have been prepared to temporarily sacrifice Hawaii if that's what it took to waken the American people to the true threat of the Axis powers, or he calculated that Japan could do some damage, but that Hawaii was too remote for Japan to be a threat to the entire territory... but enough damage that he could justifiably declare war.

I agree -
people were saying on the same day it happened that the Yanks let it happen.
The UK, Australia and NZ were grateful that the USA was now in the war
as we all thought that Hitler and the Japs would win.

Pearl Harbor was the biggest mistake that Japan ever made.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:23am: Maybe... I doubt it., but... at least nothing that can be conclusively proved. Put it this way... If Roosevelt had turned a blind eye, he would have been right to do so, anyway. I bet that he may have been prepared to temporarily sacrifice Hawaii if that's what it took to waken the American people to the true threat of the Axis powers, or he calculated that Japan could do some damage, but that Hawaii was too remote for Japan to be a threat to the entire territory... but enough damage that he could justifiably declare war. I agree - people were saying on the same day it happened that the Yanks let it happen. The UK, Australia and NZ were grateful that the USA was now in the war as we all thought that Hitler and the Japs would win. Pearl Harbor was the biggest mistake that Japan ever made.

The Yanks did let it happen... due to popular isolationism and their approval of appeasement.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:31am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:23am: Maybe... I doubt it., but... at least nothing that can be conclusively proved. Put it this way... If Roosevelt had turned a blind eye, he would have been right to do so, anyway. I bet that he may have been prepared to temporarily sacrifice Hawaii if that's what it took to waken the American people to the true threat of the Axis powers, or he calculated that Japan could do some damage, but that Hawaii was too remote for Japan to be a threat to the entire territory... but enough damage that he could justifiably declare war. I agree - people were saying on the same day it happened that the Yanks let it happen. The UK, Australia and NZ were grateful that the USA was now in the war as we all thought that Hitler and the Japs would win. Pearl Harbor was the biggest mistake that Japan ever made. The Yanks did let it happen... due to popular isolationism and their approval of appeasement.

Yep -
did you know Roosevelt promised not to enter the war in the previous election?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:35am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:31am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:23am: Maybe... I doubt it., but... at least nothing that can be conclusively proved. Put it this way... If Roosevelt had turned a blind eye, he would have been right to do so, anyway. I bet that he may have been prepared to temporarily sacrifice Hawaii if that's what it took to waken the American people to the true threat of the Axis powers, or he calculated that Japan could do some damage, but that Hawaii was too remote for Japan to be a threat to the entire territory... but enough damage that he could justifiably declare war. I agree - people were saying on the same day it happened that the Yanks let it happen. The UK, Australia and NZ were grateful that the USA was now in the war as we all thought that Hitler and the Japs would win. Pearl Harbor was the biggest mistake that Japan ever made. The Yanks did let it happen... due to popular isolationism and their approval of appeasement. Yep - did you know Roosevelt promised not to enter the war in the previous election?

Of course he did! He was a politician.

He had to contend with a pacifist and isolationist Congress representing an overwhelmingly popular isolationist public.

But when the US is attacked, a US president has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, not the people or individuals.

US Launches Strikes in Syria…

Seriously - they are setting the world on fire again… the endless wars.. the endless excuses…

The Endless “False Flags” that keep getting us into wars and NO ONE ever wakes up…

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Prior to the attack, doctors and nurses were warned that an attack was coming, so they stockpiled supplies. On the day of the attack, according to witnesses writing to Senators years later, they noticed that no military reconnaissance planes were in the air anywhere on the island, which was not normal. They were told not to fire a shot without clearance from Washington.

Bobby - you might like to read through this article - it has original telegrams and news articles etc some unclassified

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/report-evidence-suggests-fdr-let-pearl-harbor-happen/

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

US Launches Strikes in Syria… Seriously - they are setting the world on fire again… the endless wars.. the endless excuses… The Endless “False Flags” that keep getting us into wars and NO ONE ever wakes up…

They're hosing out the Shia sewage from the region.

Lebanon will be next to make peace with Israel, with the Abraham Accords put back on the region's agenda in a Sunni-ruled Muslim-Middle East.

Hopefully, the Kurds will be cut in this time.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Quote: Prior to the attack, doctors and nurses were warned that an attack was coming, so they stockpiled supplies. On the day of the attack, according to witnesses writing to Senators years later, they noticed that no military reconnaissance planes were in the air anywhere on the island, which was not normal. They were told not to fire a shot without clearance from Washington. Bobby - you might like to read through this article - it has original telegrams and news articles etc some unclassified https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/report-evidence-suggests-fdr-let-pearl-harbor-happen/

Thanks - that's a good read - I'll read more later.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

has original telegrams and news articles etc some unclassified https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/report-evidence-suggests-fdr-let-pearl-harbor-happen/

A couple of details:
1] 'On December 7th, Washington had notice of the break in Japanese relations at noon eastern standard time, which was 6:30AM Hawaii-time. This was 90 minutes before the attack. Hawaii was not notified because of what they said were “technical difficulties” that included a malfunctioning communications device. The message was sent after the attack was over'.
but....
' At 1:20 p.m. Washington time the attack on Pearl Harbor began. [Japanese envoys] Nomura and Kurusu reached the old State, War and Navy Building at 2:05 p.m.,. As they entered the building, Hull's phone rang. It was the President. He quickly gave his Secretary of State the few scraps of information which had come in, confirming what they already knew from Signal Corps decoding. The Japanese envoys were ushered into his office at 2:21 p.m. Nomura held out the translation and said apologetically, "I was instructed to hand this reply to you at 1 p.m."
The Glory and the Dream: A Narrative History of America 1932-1972 William Manchester

On December 7, 1941, two hours after the Japanese attack on American military installations at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Japan declared war
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/japan-declares-war-1941#:~:text=The%20Japanese%20government%20had%20originally,decode%20the%205%2C000%2Dword%20document

2]  On December 6th the Navy ordered the submarine nets protecting Pearl Harbor taken down for ‘regular maintenance.’
but....
https://www.navsource.org/archives/09/18/1800012.htm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:40am: Yep - did you know Roosevelt promised not to enter the war in the previous election? Of course he did! He was a politician. He had to contend with a pacifist and isolationist Congress representing an overwhelmingly popular isolationist public. But when the US is attacked, a US president has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, not the people or individuals.

yes - it's here - only 1 year before - Nov  1940 -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt,_third_and_fourth_terms

Roosevelt promised that,
"Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."
Roosevelt won the 1940 election with 55% of the popular vote and
almost 85% of the electoral vote (449 to 82).

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

sent into any foreign wars.

Hawaii is not foreign.

chimera wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 2:40pm: sent into any foreign wars. Hawaii is not foreign.

Germany was a foreign country.

Germany was first in line for some American justice.

wrong

You're also forgetting that it was the Axis powers who declared war on the United States first.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 2:55pm:

You're also forgetting that it was the Axis powers who declared war on the United States first.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Hitler declared war on America on 11 December 1941, for Germany was an ally of Japan.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:48am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 10:40am: Yep - did you know Roosevelt promised not to enter the war in the previous election? Of course he did! He was a politician. He had to contend with a pacifist and isolationist Congress representing an overwhelmingly popular isolationist public. But when the US is attacked, a US president has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, not the people or individuals. yes - it's here - only 1 year before - Nov  1940 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt,_third_and_fourth_terms Roosevelt promised that, "Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." Roosevelt won the 1940 election with 55% of the popular vote and almost 85% of the electoral vote (449 to 82).

The US was attacked by a foreign power. As the US president, Roosevelt was bound by his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:33pm:

The US was attacked by a foreign power. As the US president, Roosevelt was bound by his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

And I'm glad he did or we'd all be speaking Japanese by now.

Australia was defenceless.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm: The US was attacked by a foreign power. As the US president, Roosevelt was bound by his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. And I'm glad he did or we'd all be speaking Japanese by now. Australia was defenceless.

Yep, but he didn't do it to save Australians from the Japanese...

Australia just happened to be the top spot for a launching pad.

Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian - you know nothing:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Darwin


The two Japanese air raids were the first, and largest,
of more than 100 air raids against Australia during 1942–1943.
The event happened just four days after the Fall of Singapore,
when a combined Commonwealth force surrendered to the Japanese,
the largest surrender in British history.


The Bombing of Darwin, also known as the Battle of Darwin,[4] on 19 February 1942 was the largest single attack ever mounted by a foreign power on Australia.[5] On that day, 242 Japanese aircraft, in two separate raids, attacked the town, ships in Darwin Harbour and the town's two airfields in an attempt to prevent the Allies from using them as bases to contest the invasion of Timor and Java during World War II.

Darwin was lightly defended relative to the size of the attack, and the Japanese inflicted heavy losses upon Allied forces at little cost to themselves. The urban areas of Darwin also suffered some damage from the raids and there were a number of civilian casualties. More than half of Darwin's civilian population left the area permanently, before or immediately after the attack.[6][

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

They got pretty good at mass slaughter, but...

And, who knows... Had they not drawn the US into the war as early as they did, their advance south of Asia may have been viable and effective.

The Japanese plan was to isolate Australia while forming a defensive ring - AustNZed were never under threat of direct invasion.

The 'island hopping strategy' to break the defensive ring along a vulnerable path was the optimum choice, along with the incredible success of the US submarine campaign.  Burma, China and New Guinea North were essentially holding actions and cost a lot of casualties for not much real gain, and re-taking the Philippines, though a humanitarian necessity, was a costly side show.

I've often wondered what the result would have been from carpet bombing Iwo Jima with napalm... not to mention carpet bombing the island with the radar station north of Iwo that cost so many lives, nearly including George Bush (Snr) ... one of the very few Allied Naval airmen rescued after being shot down there in an awful approach to target.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 4:55pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1733688286/34#34 date=1733727047]Australia was convenient as a "launching pad".  It was never in any danger though.  The Japanese were a bunch of fools who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.  Australia was simply too far from Japan and it's bases and the Japanese couldn't organise themselves against Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian - you know nothing:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Darwin


The two Japanese air raids were the first, and largest,
of more than 100 air raids against Australia during 1942–1943.
The event happened just four days after the Fall of Singapore,
when a combined Commonwealth force surrendered to the Japanese,
the largest surrender in British history.


The Bombing of Darwin, also known as the Battle of Darwin,[4] on 19 February 1942 was the largest single attack ever mounted by a foreign power on Australia.[5] On that day, 242 Japanese aircraft, in two separate raids, attacked the town, ships in Darwin Harbour and the town's two airfields in an attempt to prevent the Allies from using them as bases to contest the invasion of Timor and Java during World War II.

Darwin was lightly defended relative to the size of the attack, and the Japanese inflicted heavy losses upon Allied forces at little cost to themselves. The urban areas of Darwin also suffered some damage from the raids and there were a number of civilian casualties. More than half of Darwin's civilian population left the area permanently, before or immediately after the attack.[6][/quote]

Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 5:20pm:

The Japanese plan was to isolate Australia while forming a defensive ring - AustNZed were never under threat of direct invasion.

You can only believe that through the prism of knowing of Japan's having drawn the US into war in 1941.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 5:20pm:

The Japanese plan was to isolate Australia while forming a defensive ring - AustNZed were never under threat of direct invasion.

The Japanese plan was a WOFTAM.  It would fail to achieve that isolation.  You simply cannot isolate Australia, it's too big and it can be approached from the south with ease. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

pin prick?

nonsense - it was part of over 100 major attacks.   ::)

The British-Australians at Singapore were incompetent compared with Japan who did the Burma rail.  But the Oz did a very nice salute to welcome honourable Japanese general. (Poms had just lost 2 battleships ruling the waves).

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) pin prick? nonsense - it was part of over 100 major attacks.   ::)

What affect did it have on the strategy of how the war was conducted?  Any, at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

The Japanese, like the Nazis, were morons. Like Bbwian. They believed in themselves DESPITE all indications to the contrary.

And here is Bbwian, talking rubbish DESPITE all indications that he is a moron.

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

The Japanese were morons.

The UK sent one battleship, one battlecruiser and four destroyers to intercept the Japanese invasion fleet in the South China Sea north of Malaya. The task force sailed without air support. Although the British had a close encounter with Japanese heavy surface units, the force failed to find and destroy the main convoy. On their return to Singapore they were attacked in open waters and sunk by long-range torpedo bombers. The commander of Force Z, Admiral Sir Tom Phillips, elected to maintain radio silence and an alert was not sent (by the Repulse) until one hour after the first Japanese attack.

With the attack on Pearl Harbor only two days earlier, on the other side of the International Date Line, the Malayan engagement illustrated the effectiveness of aerial attacks against even the heaviest of naval assets if they were without air cover.  The sinking of the two ships severely weakened the British Eastern Fleet in Singapore,  Singapore itself fell to the Japanese on 15 February, leading to the largest surrender in British history.

(they failed to make any defences for Singapore).

chimera wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 8:17pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 7:50pm: The Japanese were morons. The UK sent one battleship, one battlecruiser and four destroyers to intercept the Japanese invasion fleet in the South China Sea north of Malaya. The task force sailed without air support. Although the British had a close encounter with Japanese heavy surface units, the force failed to find and destroy the main convoy. On their return to Singapore they were attacked in open waters and sunk by long-range torpedo bombers. The commander of Force Z, Admiral Sir Tom Phillips, elected to maintain radio silence and an alert was not sent (by the Repulse) until one hour after the first Japanese attack. With the attack on Pearl Harbor only two days earlier, on the other side of the International Date Line, the Malayan engagement illustrated the effectiveness of aerial attacks against even the heaviest of naval assets if they were without air cover.  The sinking of the two ships severely weakened the British Eastern Fleet in Singapore,  Singapore itself fell to the Japanese on 15 February, leading to the largest surrender in British history. (they failed to make any defences for Singapore).

The Japanese had no chance against the Allies. Nor the Germans.

Ideology doomed both Japan and Germany.

And it was both their great luck that they were defeted by the Allies.
There would not have been an Anglo American industrial miracle after 1945 had the Nazis and Japs prevailed.

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

The Japanese, like the Nazis, were morons. Like Bbwian. They believed in themselves DESPITE all indications to the contrary. And here is Bbwian, talking rubbish DESPITE all indications that he is a moron.

The Japanese believed in their superiority to all others because their Bushido (or rather their version of it) beliefs told them they were.  The Germans believed they were superior because they were supposedly Aryans (which they weren't).  In reality they were stupid in their neo-Feudal beliefs of their superiority.  Both the Germans and the Japanese were failures because they placed too great an emphasis on martial ability and spirit.  The Allies placed an emphasis on scientific ability.  The Allies won.  Soren, feels his supposed "Race" is superior to all others and ignores scientific reality that he's basically the same as everybody else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 7:50pm: The Japanese, like the Nazis, were morons. Like Bbwian. They believed in themselves DESPITE all indications to the contrary. And here is Bbwian, talking rubbish DESPITE all indications that he is a moron. Soren, feels his supposed "Race" is superior to all others and ignores scientific reality that he's basically the same as everybody else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

The Japanese, like the Nazis, were morons. Like Bbwian


Here comes incomprehending yawn...

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Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 8:34pm:

The Japanese had no chance against the Allies. Nor the Germans. There would not have been an Anglo American industrial miracle after 1945 had the Nazis and Japs prevailed.

But they both had a chance against Australia and UK, as in Singapore, Burma and north Africa.
The 'industrial miracle' refers to Germany.
You can say they were morons if that lets you feel happy. Facts won't then disturb you.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 5:22pm: Darwin was a pinprick, Bobby.  It had essentially a null effect on how the war was conducted and it simply showed how unprepared we were for a Japanese attack.  It joined all the other attacks at Broome, Sydney, Newcastle, Cooktown, as a waste of time and resources.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) pin prick? nonsense - it was part of over 100 major attacks.   ::) What affect did it have on the strategy of how the war was conducted?  Any, at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Insufficient information -
but no doubt it reduced our already tiny military capability.

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I’ll go again..

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Another Lie

Another false flag to get us into another endless War…

How may false flags do you need slapped into your faces before you wake up that American Leadership and the Deep State are nothing more than War Criminals ?

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 9:11am:

Now have a think about this.. How many “Events” have been “staged” in the last 120+ years so that the US could enter wars illegally and illegally enter a sovereign country to kill millions of innocent people and then take their wealth… I’ll start… Vietnam was one… The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident.. Oh.. whats that other word im thinking of..  :-/ Oh thats it - FALSE FLAG OPERATION And here’s another question - how many times are we going to fall for it?

Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq....I was bullshit and Bush, Blair and Howard knew it was bullshit!!!

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/03/14/a-look-back-at-how-fear-and-false-beliefs-bolstered-u-s-public-support-for-war-in-iraq/

The Japanese were backed into a corner and they came out swinging …

They were fearless fighters winning many many battles - particularly on land…

Milne Bay (southeastern tip of Papua New Guinea) Was their first defeat on land - by the Australians - no less - before this the Japanese Army had a reputation as being invincible ….

So yeah…. They basically made it to our doorstep  - and YOU would be a FOOL if you take them lightly…

Do your homework people…

The thing that brought down the Japanese was “Supply Routs”

And Army can’t march on an empty stomach - Supply lines started to fail and the Japanese were forced to start eating Soldiers and Civilians who had been killed ..

The Japanese were also partially cruel…

But then again - so were allied forces… at times

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 9th, 2024 at 9:11am: Now have a think about this.. How many “Events” have been “staged” in the last 120+ years so that the US could enter wars illegally and illegally enter a sovereign country to kill millions of innocent people and then take their wealth… I’ll start… Vietnam was one… The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident.. Oh.. whats that other word im thinking of..  :-/ Oh thats it - FALSE FLAG OPERATION And here’s another question - how many times are we going to fall for it? Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq....I was bullshit and Bush, Blair and Howard knew it was bullshit!!! :-? :-? :-? https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/03/14/a-look-back-at-how-fear-and-false-beliefs-bolstered-u-s-public-support-for-war-in-iraq/

Spot on Phil …

And they talk about 4000 Americans dying (needlessly) then there’s also the people of Iraq —- some say at least a MILLION men, women, and children…

Imagine that…

Then they keep throwing around Wank Words like Existential Threat - that’ll convince everyone to INVADE yet another sovereign country…

And you need not look any further than the Civilian Contracts that got awarded by the Bush Government that DID NOT go to tender…

I just shake my head for those poor innocent people and can imagine how much they hate our guts…  :-/

US Defense budget 2023 was $820 billion which does a lot of good for suppliers such as potato farmers. There are 2.86 million people who need their potatoes.

USA attacks Iraq and Afghanistan.
The UN supported them.

Israel attacks Terrorists.
UN condemns Israel

In 1941 the UN was Roosevelt and Churchill.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 6:52pm:

The Milne Bay (southeastern tip of Papua New Guinea) Was their first defeat on land - by the Australians - no less - before this the Japanese Army had a reputation as being invincible ….

Actually, the Japanese were defeated first on the island of Tulagi, on 8 August 1942 by the US Marines.  Milne Bay did not finish until 7 September 1942.


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So yeah…. They basically made it to our doorstep  - and YOU would be a FOOL if you take them lightly… Do your homework people… The thing that brought down the Japanese was “Supply Routs” And Army can’t march on an empty stomach - Supply lines started to fail and the Japanese were forced to start eating Soldiers and Civilians who had been killed .. The Japanese were also partially cruel… But then again - so were allied forces… at times

The Japanese logistics system started to fail them not long after they had won their initial campaigns against the British and Dutch forces which opposed them in 1942.  By 1943 they were facing disaster and 1944 it visited them in spades.  Their campaigns in New Guinea and Burma were particularly disasters for them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian,
the Japs actually won something in WW2 -
they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:28pm:

Brian, the Japs actually won something in WW2 - they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::)

Was it, Bobby?  I thought their main task was to gain control of the oil rich fields in the Dutch East Indies and Burma.   The American fleet at Pearl Harbor also figured prominently in their strategic thinking.  The British Empire as a whole covered the entire globe, the Asia part was only a small part of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:28pm: Brian, the Japs actually won something in WW2 - they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::) Was it, Bobby?  I thought their main task was to gain control of the oil rich fields in the Dutch East Indies and Burma.   The American fleet at Pearl Harbor also figured prominently in their strategic thinking.  The British Empire as a whole covered the entire globe, the Asia part was only a small part of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:28pm: Brian, the Japs actually won something in WW2 - they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::) Was it, Bobby?  I thought their main task was to gain control of the oil rich fields in the Dutch East Indies and Burma.   The American fleet at Pearl Harbor also figured prominently in their strategic thinking.  The British Empire as a whole covered the entire globe, the Asia part was only a small part of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Practically every place the Japs invaded was a British controlled country.

The first thing they did was to get on the radio
and tell everyone they were now liberated.

If you need any more help about WW2 then just ask me.    ::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:28pm: Brian, the Japs actually won something in WW2 - they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::) Was it, Bobby?  I thought their main task was to gain control of the oil rich fields in the Dutch East Indies and Burma.   The American fleet at Pearl Harbor also figured prominently in their strategic thinking.  The British Empire as a whole covered the entire globe, the Asia part was only a small part of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ::)

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Bobby. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:28pm: Brian, the Japs actually won something in WW2 - they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::) Was it, Bobby?  I thought their main task was to gain control of the oil rich fields in the Dutch East Indies and Burma.   The American fleet at Pearl Harbor also figured prominently in their strategic thinking.  The British Empire as a whole covered the entire globe, the Asia part was only a small part of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Practically every place the Japs invaded was a British controlled country.

So, the British controlled the Philippines?  The Dutch East Indies?  Borneo?  New Guinea?  China?  Manchuria? I think you need a new lesson in Geography, Bobby...  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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The first thing they did was to get on the radio and tell everyone they were now liberated.

Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


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If you need any more help about WW2 then just ask me.    ::)

Bobby, there isn't anything you know that I can't find out from a Hollywood movie or two.  I already have a degree in history, I don't think you could add anything of value to it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 9:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:28pm: Brian, the Japs actually won something in WW2 - they destroyed the British empire - one of their main tasks. tsk  tsk  tsk   ::)  ::)  ::) Was it, Bobby?  I thought their main task was to gain control of the oil rich fields in the Dutch East Indies and Burma.   The American fleet at Pearl Harbor also figured prominently in their strategic thinking.  The British Empire as a whole covered the entire globe, the Asia part was only a small part of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Practically every place the Japs invaded was a British controlled country. So, the British controlled the Philippines?  The Dutch East Indies?  Borneo?  New Guinea?  China?  Manchuria? I think you need a new lesson in Geography, Bobby...  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: The first thing they did was to get on the radio and tell everyone they were now liberated. Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) [quote] If you need any more help about WW2 then just ask me.    ::)

Bobby, there isn't anything you know that I can't find out from a Hollywood movie or two.  I already have a degree in history, I don't think you could add anything of value to it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 9:14pm:

Bobby, there isn't anything you know that I can't find out from a Hollywood movie or two.  I already have a degree in history, I don't think you could add anything of value to it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Bobby, personally he doesn't give a sh!t about all that because he can't learn anything from you he can't read in some f~ckin' book... unless you want to talk about you... who you are... And he's fascinated... He's in... but you don't wanna do that do you, sport... you're terrified of what you might say... your move, chief...

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:18pm:

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Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours?

Stop asking irrelevant questions.

I always  know more than Brian.
Most of the time, all he can post is a yawning symbol.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours? Stop asking irrelevant questions. I always  know more than Brian. Most of the time, all he can post is a yawning symbol.   ::)

We've moved on to Hollywood movies.

Brian,

Quote:

Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

You fool - there were millions of radios in South East Asia.   ::)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours?

Yes.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 11:36pm:

Brian, Quote: Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... You fool - there were millions of radios in South East Asia.   ::)

Really? Where are you getting your stats from, Bobby?  The back of a Corn Flakes packet?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:36pm: Brian, Quote: Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... You fool - there were millions of radios in South East Asia.   ::) Really? Where are you getting your stats from, Bobby?  The back of a Corn Flakes packet?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Just check out Google - do some research.   ::)

https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=08626775-37d3-4bac-8819-c36421e79271

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_Japan_during_the_Second_Sino-Japanese_War_and_World_War_II

https://www.radioheritage.com/japanese-occupation-radio-south-east-asia/

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:36pm: Brian, Quote: Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... You fool - there were millions of radios in South East Asia.   ::) Really? Where are you getting your stats from, Bobby?  The back of a Corn Flakes packet?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Just check out Google - do some research.   ::)

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the pool of listeners in Singapore was small then, as shortwave receivers were costly.  Furthermore, local broadcasts were limited and infrequent, so many resident listeners would also tune in to overseas channels in Malaya, Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City), Batavia (Jakarta) and as far as Sydney, Paris, Nairobi, New York City and Moscow.

Source

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours? Yes.

Then, you CAN handle the truth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sLcfQKU_co

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:36pm: Brian, Quote: Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... You fool - there were millions of radios in South East Asia.   ::) Really? Where are you getting your stats from, Bobby?  The back of a Corn Flakes packet?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours? Yes.

fell asleep on sentry duty, yawning ,  and court marshalled  ::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:30pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:18pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Have you ever served in an infantry unit, Bobby? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands? Asked him to put his life in yours? Yes. fell asleep on sentry duty, yawning ,  and court marshalled  ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 5:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 11:36pm: Brian, Quote: Interesting, considering that no one was rich enough to own a radio in those days, apart from the Colonists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... You fool - there were millions of radios in South East Asia.   ::) Really? Where are you getting your stats from, Bobby?  The back of a Corn Flakes packet?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Just check out Google - do some research.   ::) [quote]the pool of listeners in Singapore was small then, as shortwave receivers were costly.  Furthermore, local broadcasts were limited and infrequent, so many resident listeners would also tune in to overseas channels in Malaya, Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City), Batavia (Jakarta) and as far as Sydney, Paris, Nairobi, New York City and Moscow.

Source

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Many people still had radios -
otherwise why would the Japs bother to take over the radio station?   ::)

Ever heard of a Crystal set? -
if the station is close enough - within say 50 miles -
you can hear it with a home made crystal set:
headphones, a diode and a coil of wire -
connected to a wire antenna and a ground connection -
no battery required - very cheap -  ::)

https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/remembering-the-crystal-radio


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More here:

https://steampunk.wonderhowto.com/how-to/complete-guide-build-crystal-radio-plus-they-work-0141117/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio

Crystal radio

1920s and 1930s

In 1922 the (then named) United States Bureau of Standards released a publication entitled Construction and Operation of a Simple Homemade Radio Receiving Outfit.[31] This article showed how almost any family having a member who was handy with simple tools could make a radio and tune into weather, crop prices, time, news and the opera. This design was significant in bringing radio to the general public. NBS followed that with a more selective two-circuit version, Construction and Operation of a Two-Circuit Radio Receiving Equipment With Crystal Detector, which was published the same year [32] and is still frequently built by enthusiasts today.

In the beginning of the 20th century, radio had little commercial use, and radio experimentation was a hobby for many people.[33] Some historians consider the autumn of 1920 to be the beginning of commercial radio broadcasting for entertainment purposes. Pittsburgh station KDKA, owned by Westinghouse, received its license from the United States Department of Commerce just in time to broadcast the Harding-Cox presidential election returns. In addition to reporting on special events, broadcasts to farmers of crop price reports were an important public service in the early days of radio.

In 1921, factory-made radios were very expensive. Since less-affluent families could not afford to own one, newspapers and magazines carried articles on how to build a crystal radio with common household items. To minimize the cost, many of the plans suggested winding the tuning coil on empty pasteboard containers such as oatmeal boxes, which became a common foundation for homemade radios.

"Foxhole radios"

"Foxhole radio" used on the Italian Front in World War 2. It uses a pencil lead attached to a safety pin pressing against a razor blade for a detector.
In addition to mineral crystals, the oxide coatings of many metal surfaces act as semiconductors (detectors) capable of rectification. Crystal radios have been improvised using detectors made from rusty nails, corroded pennies, and many other common objects.

When Allied troops were halted near Anzio, Italy during the spring of 1944, powered personal radio receivers were strictly prohibited as the Germans had equipment that could detect the local oscillator signal of superheterodyne receivers. Crystal sets lack power driven local oscillators, hence they could not be detected. Some resourceful soldiers constructed "crystal" sets from discarded materials to listen to news and music. One type used a blue steel razor blade and a pencil lead for a detector. The lead point touching the semiconducting oxide coating (magnetite) on the blade formed a crude point-contact diode. By carefully adjusting the pencil lead on the surface of the blade, they could find spots capable of rectification. The sets were dubbed "foxhole radios" by the popular press, and they became part of the folklore of World War II.

In some German-occupied countries during WW2 there were widespread confiscations of radio sets from the civilian population. This led determined listeners to build their own clandestine receivers which often amounted to little more than a basic crystal set. Anyone doing so risked imprisonment or even death if caught, and in most of Europe the signals from the BBC (or other allied stations) were not strong enough to be received on such a set.

Most Asians were uneducated, Bobby.  They had little technical knowledge and few funds for luxuries like radios. The Japanese took over the radio station to stop it being used against them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Most Asians were uneducated, Bobby.  They had little technical knowledge and few funds for luxuries like radios. The Japanese took over the radio station to stop it being used against them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Read the above info -
a kid can make a Crystal radio -
I made them when I was a kid.     ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Most Asians were uneducated, Bobby.  They had little technical knowledge and few funds for luxuries like radios. The Japanese took over the radio station to stop it being used against them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Most Asians were uneducated, Bobby.

You are uneducated, sucker.
Don't you disparage Asians.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 9:32pm:

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Brian - you have been thoroughly out debated in this thread -
you didn't even know about Crystal sets -
that can be made for almost nothing.   ::)

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Interesting fact.

If you just get a long wire to act as an antenna -
get a metal pole or use a kitchen tap as an Earth or ground.

Connect one antenna wire to one side of a headphone and
the other wire from an Earth to the other side.
Connect a cats whisker diode across it and you'll hear many radio stations coming through.

So you can build a radio out of 2 parts:
headphones and
a diode.


diode here:
https://www.ebay.com/p/9044713608?iid=125578572280

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 1:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

No - you have been out debated.

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:34pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No - you have been out debated. forgiven namaste

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:34pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No - you have been out debated. forgiven namaste Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian just admit it -
radio communication was very important in the 1930s and 1940s in SEA -
and even if people didn't have direct access to a receiver someone always did -
even if it was only a Xtal set -
and they relayed the messages.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

No Dr Brian - I snookered you -
you just happened to get on to a subject that I know a lot about.    :)

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 1:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

And you're a bigger yawning troll you old girly skirt hypocrite. Tsk tsk tsk

Operation Northwoods: US False Flag Attacks to Invade Cuba in 1962

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Operation-Northwoods-US-False-Flag-Attacks-to-Invade-Cuba-in-1962


Quote:

Operation Northwoods In March 1962, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted preliminary plans to the US Secretary of Defense that included attacking an American military base and launching terrorist attacks in American cities.

Any of this starting to sound familiar??  :-?

HELLOOOOO!!!……..

Anyone Awake?

Gnads wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:34pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) And you're a bigger yawning troll you old girly skirt hypocrite. Tsk tsk tsk

Brian lost the debate.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Gay sucky sucky...

No. Desist.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGWsmR4ipM

That time Israel attacked the USS Liberty as a False Flag Operation to garner support from US citizens to also Send Troops into the Middle East for WWIII at the same time the US had invaded Vietnam in a Seperate False Flag Incident called the “Gulf of Tonkin incident” which lead to the deaths of 58,220 Americans (and other allies) and an untold number of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5gtM1A990