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Wuhan lab samples hold no close relatives to virus behind COVID Shi Zhengli, the virologist at centre of COVID lab-leak theory, reveals coronavirus sequences from Wuhan institute. At a conference in Japan this week, Shi Zhengli, a specialist on bat coronaviruses, reported that none of the viruses stored in her freezers are the most recent ancestors of the virus SARS-CoV-2. Shi was leading coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), a high-level biosafety laboratory, when the first cases of COVID-19 were reported in that city. Soon afterwards, theories emerged that the virus had leaked — either by accident or deliberately — from the WIV. Shi has consistently said that SARS-CoV-2 was never seen or studied in her lab. But some commentators have continued to ask whether one of the many bat coronaviruses her team collected in southern China over decades was closely related to it. Shi promised to sequence the genomes of the coronaviruses and release the data. The latest analysis, which has not been peer reviewed, includes data from the whole genomes of 56 new betacoronaviruses, the broad group to which SARS-CoV-2 belongs, as well as some partial sequences. All the viruses were collected between 2004 and 2021. “We didn’t find any new sequences which are more closely related to SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2,” said Shi, in a pre-recorded presentation at the conference, Preparing for the Next Pandemic: Evolution, Pathogenesis and Virology of Coronaviruses, in Awaji, Japan, on 4 December. Earlier this year, Shi moved from the WIV to the Guangzhou Laboratory, a newly established national research institute for infectious diseases. The results support her assertion that the WIV lab did not have any bat-derived sequences from viruses that were more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than were any already described in scientific papers, says Jonathan Pekar, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Edinburgh, UK. “This just validates what she was saying: that she did not have anything extremely closely related, as we’ve seen in the years since,” he says.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03982-2

Hopefully, that puts to an end as the lab releasing covid19 bullshit!

This would not be a surprise to anyone who read the paper I cited here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/581#581

Buried in 100 pages of senseless crap posted by the high school dropout.

Looks a lot like Fauccie did not have an “it” to get away with, right?

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/94/f3/f3/94f3f36e09d26e79d045545ba11edb63.jpg

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/f3/98/3a/f3983a7e91bada5cf4e4c9fff72bafdc.jpg

Memes are not a refutation, just like crap is not evidence.

I provided evidence, read it, read the paper I cited and quoted from.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:38pm:

Memes are not a refutation, just like crap is not evidence. I provided evidence, read it, read the paper I cited and quoted from.

A paywalled article.  ::)

In any case the Chinese prevented a proper investigation at Wuhan by the WHO.

When Australia complained sanctions were put on us.   ::)

The article in the OP is not paywalled!

The other article is discussed here.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 11:06pm:

The article in the OP is not paywalled!

You have to give up your Google or some other ID to read it -
stuff them.

NOT the article in the OP.

I have shown you where the other article is discussed.

If you REALLY are required to give an ID, go there via:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39643624/

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 11:13pm:

NOT the article in the OP. I have shown you where the other article is discussed.

In future find clean links to pages anyone can read
without having to jump through hoops -
like I do.   ::)

I think you are lying about having to give an ID to Google because I have never had to do that.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 11:18pm:

I think you are lying about having to give an ID to Google because I have never had to do that.

here:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03982-2

it says:


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Enjoying our latest content? Login or create an account to continue Access the most recent journalism from Nature's award-winning team Explore the latest features & opinion covering groundbreaking research Access through your institution or Sign in or create an account Continue with Google Continue with ORCiD

The story so far.

The scientist at the Wuhan lab has sequenced the DNA of viruses studied in that lab. Nothing comparable to the covid19 virus was found.

So the lab was NOT the source of covid19.

An earlier paper based on the analysis of thousands of swabs came to the conclusion covid 19 jumped to humans from raccoon dogs sold at the Wuhan wet market.

Fauccie did not do anything wrong.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 11:22pm:

The story so far. The scientist at the Wuhan lab has sequenced the DNA of viruses studied in that lab. Nothing comparable to the covid19 virus was found. So the lab was NOT the source of covid19. An earlier paper based on the analysis of thousands of swabs came to the conclusion covid 19 jumped to humans from raccoon dogs sold at the Wuhan wet market. Fauccie did not do anything wrong.

So why did the Chinese delete huge amounts of info
and not allow a full WHO investigation?

That has been explained at least twice to you. You do have problems absorbing and retaining information don’t you?

Another article:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-preliminary-evidence-coronavirus-animals-humans.html


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What's not in doubt is the closest relatives of the virus are found in bats. How, where and when the virus spilled over into humans is the contentious issue. One widely supported hypothesis is the spillover occurred in the "wet markets" of Wuhan, where many species of wildlife from across China are held in crowded conditions. However, there's no evidence the species of bats in which the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2 are found were sold through the Wuhan wet markets at any time in the two years before the pandemic. This hypothesis requires the existence of a "bridge host," another species that becomes infected via spillover from the original bat hosts, and then passes the virus onto humans. Bridge hosts are well-known in many emerging human diseases. For example, Hendra virus, which my group studies, has flying foxes as its reservoir. Hendra spills over to horses with some frequency. Horses then amplify the virus as a bridge host and can infect humans. . . . A second, much more contentious hypothesis is the origin of the pandemic was the result of a "lab leak." Wuhan has one of the most sophisticated virological laboratories in China, and the laboratory does work on bat viruses. The suggestion is the virus may have inadvertently been released into the general community via one of the workers. No direct evidence supports this hypothesis. A new pre-print study, released online this month, provides strong evidence to support the "natural spillover" hypothesis, with results that are hard to reconcile with the "lab leak" hypothesis. The study is yet to be peer reviewed. But it's based on a detailed examination of the genetic sequences of two early lineages obtained from people infected in late 2019 and early 2020. For convenience, these two lineages are called A and B. The two lineages differ by just two nucleotides (letters in the genetic code) at two different key sites in the genetic sequence. Did the coronavirus jump from animals to people twice? https://t.co/K0EjnozrZ8 — Liam Mannix (@liammannix) September 17, 2021 If there was a single lab escape event, the separation into lineages A and B must have happened after the lab escape. We would therefore expect to see a substantial number of intermediate lineages, with the lineage A nucleotide at one site, and the lineage B nucleotide at the other site. However, if almost all of the genetic sequences obtained from humans are "pure" lineage A or pure lineage B, this suggests there were at least two different spillover events, either directly from bats or via bridge hosts. And the evolution of the two lineages occurred before humans were infected. The researchers downloaded all complete genetic sequences for SARS-CoV-2 that had been lodged in a widely used genomic database. Of these sequences, 369 were lineage A, 1,297 were lineage B and just 38 were intermediates. Genetic sequencing isn't perfect. Close examination of the 38 intermediates strongly suggested they were more likely to be sequencing errors of pure lineage A or lineage B than to be true intermediates. The genetic evidence, therefore, suggests very strongly there have been at least two separate spillover events into human populations, one being from lineage A and another being from lineage B. . . . Many of the earliest human viral sequences (all lineage B) were recovered from the Wuhan seafood market, but wet markets and abattoirs are well-known to be places where the SARS-CoV-2 virus spreads very well from human to human. So, it may have been a human who brought the virus to the Wuhan seafood market, rather than a species of wildlife. One thing we do know is this pandemic originated through a human coming in contact with another species infected with the virus. It's unknown whether this was a bat or a bridge host, and whether this contact occurred in a wildlife market, or in a bat cave, or somewhere else entirely different. Nevertheless, as humans encroach more and more on the habitats of wild animals and as wild animals are brought more frequently into close contact with humans, we can expect further spillovers and pandemics to occur.

Monk - that's an old article -
September 24, 2021

We've learnt more since then.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 11:18pm:

I think you are lying about having to give an ID to Google because I have never had to do that.

here:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03982-2

it says:


Quote:

Enjoying our latest content? Login or create an account to continue Access the most recent journalism from Nature's award-winning team Explore the latest features & opinion covering groundbreaking research Access through your institution or Sign in or create an account Continue with Google Continue with ORCiD

Apologise.

Don’t demand apologies if you don’t apologise for your many vile transgressions arsehole!

Doesn’t matter if it is an old article, it is relevant.

The virus crossed to humans in the wet market, not the lab. We know that since the scientist there released the genetic sequences of the viruses studied in that lab.

Your 100 page compilation of crap in Fringe is wrong. Time you admit that.

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Wuhan lab samples hold no close relatives to virus behind COVID Shi Zhengli, the virologist at centre of COVID lab-leak theory, reveals coronavirus sequences from Wuhan institute. At a conference in Japan this week, Shi Zhengli, a specialist on bat coronaviruses, reported that none of the viruses stored in her freezers are the most recent ancestors of the virus SARS-CoV-2. Shi was leading coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), a high-level biosafety laboratory, when the first cases of COVID-19 were reported in that city. Soon afterwards, theories emerged that the virus had leaked — either by accident or deliberately — from the WIV. Shi has consistently said that SARS-CoV-2 was never seen or studied in her lab. But some commentators have continued to ask whether one of the many bat coronaviruses her team collected in southern China over decades was closely related to it. Shi promised to sequence the genomes of the coronaviruses and release the data. The latest analysis, which has not been peer reviewed, includes data from the whole genomes of 56 new betacoronaviruses, the broad group to which SARS-CoV-2 belongs, as well as some partial sequences. All the viruses were collected between 2004 and 2021. “We didn’t find any new sequences which are more closely related to SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2,” said Shi, in a pre-recorded presentation at the conference, Preparing for the Next Pandemic: Evolution, Pathogenesis and Virology of Coronaviruses, in Awaji, Japan, on 4 December. Earlier this year, Shi moved from the WIV to the Guangzhou Laboratory, a newly established national research institute for infectious diseases. The results support her assertion that the WIV lab did not have any bat-derived sequences from viruses that were more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than were any already described in scientific papers, says Jonathan Pekar, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Edinburgh, UK. “This just validates what she was saying: that she did not have anything extremely closely related, as we’ve seen in the years since,” he says.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03982-2

Hopefully, that puts to an end as the lab releasing covid19 bullshit![/quote]

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This would not be a surprise to anyone who read the paper I cited here: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/581#581 Buried in 100 pages of senseless crap posted by the high school dropout.

The paper on the swabs is now paywalled. They traced covid19 to crates containing raccoon dogs, a type of dog used for human food in China. These crates were piled directly above an open sewer.

The so–called Spanish Flu arose in a wet market in Arkansas or Alabama. The Market being the source of covid19 is entirely believable and even likely.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 7:44am:

Don’t demand apologies if you don’t apologise for your many vile transgressions arsehole!

You called me a liar - you prick.

When proved wrong you refused to apologise.

So, idiot, do you now agree the covid19 virus was NOT engineered at the lab?

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:11am:

So, idiot, do you now agree the covid19 virus was NOT engineered at the lab?

Listen mincer -
you can act in a civilized manner or don't bother responding.

You act like an idiot so I call you an idiot.

You are clearly a high school dropout so I call you a high school dropout. Your defence of the 100 page pile of mendacious crap shows you are an idiot who cannot accept you are badly wrong. That means you cannot learn.

So I call you a moron, an idiot or a cretin. Got that?

Now—

The covid19 virus did NOT come from the lab. TWO lots of actual info now show that. Do you accept that, moron?

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

You act like an idiot so I call you an idiot. You are clearly a high school dropout so I call you a high school dropout. Your defence of the 100 page pile of mendacious crap shows you are an idiot who cannot accept you are badly wrong. That means you cannot learn. So I call you a moron, an idiot or a cretin. Got that? Now— The covid19 virus did NOT come from the lab. TWO lots of actual info now show that. Do you accept that, moron?

2 lousy posts from you won't undo about 500 posts of mine.   ::)

Go and have another read - start at page 1.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Quote: Wuhan lab samples hold no close relatives to virus behind COVID Shi Zhengli, the virologist at centre of COVID lab-leak theory, reveals coronavirus sequences from Wuhan institute. At a conference in Japan this week, Shi Zhengli, a specialist on bat coronaviruses, reported that none of the viruses stored in her freezers are the most recent ancestors of the virus SARS-CoV-2. Shi was leading coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), a high-level biosafety laboratory, when the first cases of COVID-19 were reported in that city. Soon afterwards, theories emerged that the virus had leaked — either by accident or deliberately — from the WIV. Shi has consistently said that SARS-CoV-2 was never seen or studied in her lab. But some commentators have continued to ask whether one of the many bat coronaviruses her team collected in southern China over decades was closely related to it. Shi promised to sequence the genomes of the coronaviruses and release the data. The latest analysis, which has not been peer reviewed, includes data from the whole genomes of 56 new betacoronaviruses, the broad group to which SARS-CoV-2 belongs, as well as some partial sequences. All the viruses were collected between 2004 and 2021. “We didn’t find any new sequences which are more closely related to SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2,” said Shi, in a pre-recorded presentation at the conference, Preparing for the Next Pandemic: Evolution, Pathogenesis and Virology of Coronaviruses, in Awaji, Japan, on 4 December. Earlier this year, Shi moved from the WIV to the Guangzhou Laboratory, a newly established national research institute for infectious diseases. The results support her assertion that the WIV lab did not have any bat-derived sequences from viruses that were more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than were any already described in scientific papers, says Jonathan Pekar, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Edinburgh, UK. “This just validates what she was saying: that she did not have anything extremely closely related, as we’ve seen in the years since,” he says. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03982-2 Hopefully, that puts to an end as the lab releasing covid19 bullshit!