Intergration into non islamic communities is hard for new generation muslims because even though they are born or migrate here very young they are caught between two cultures.

Being brought up in a muslim family they have to abide by the rules and laws of islam which at times is opposed to our rules and laws. This is very confusing and unfair on these people.

This puts them in a position where they are taught different values to the rest of the community and find it hard when what they are taught by their parents is ridiculed by others. Conversely they also ridicule others due to their teachings.

As with other cultures that have settled in Australia it will take time to assimulate into the community but it will be harder because the differences are far larger.

There are no rules or laws within Islam that conflict with Australian law, Leroy.  I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Islamic immigrants and they have had no trouble adjusting to Australian laws or customs.  It is all in the attitude of the migrants.  How many Muslims do you know personally?  Any at all?  Find a Muslim and talk to them honestly and they will respond in a similar manner.  The Koran instructs Muslims that they must obey the laws of the land they live in.  The majority do so.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

There are no rules or laws within Islam that conflict with Australian law, Leroy.  I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Islamic immigrants and they have had no trouble adjusting to Australian laws or customs.  It is all in the attitude of the migrants.  How many Muslims do you know personally?  Any at all?  Find a Muslim and talk to them honestly and they will respond in a similar manner.  The Koran instructs Muslims that they must obey the laws of the land they live in.  The majority do so.

I do know many muslims through work, sport and friends. I do know that many find openly gay people uncomfortable, some find womens dress standards uncomfortable.

I'm not here to disrespect muslims but in my experience they do have a hard time balancing their beliefs with the average Australian. If this was not true we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Are you muslim Brian?.

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

I do know that many find openly gay people uncomfortable, some find womens dress standards uncomfortable.

Franks not muslim, he complains about both as well. ::)

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 1:58pm: There are no rules or laws within Islam that conflict with Australian law, Leroy.  I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Islamic immigrants and they have had no trouble adjusting to Australian laws or customs.  It is all in the attitude of the migrants.  How many Muslims do you know personally?  Any at all?  Find a Muslim and talk to them honestly and they will respond in a similar manner.  The Koran instructs Muslims that they must obey the laws of the land they live in.  The majority do so. I do know many muslims through work, sport and friends. I do know that many find openly gay people uncomfortable, some find womens dress standards uncomfortable. I'm not here to disrespect muslims but in my experience they do have a hard time balancing their beliefs with the average Australian. If this was not true we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Are you muslim Brian?.

Why does that worry you, Leroy?  What if I am?  My religion is my own and my business alone.  So, you claim to know many Muslims. I wonder why I wonder if that is true or not? Most Islamophobes know none.  I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 1:58pm: There are no rules or laws within Islam that conflict with Australian law, Leroy.  I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Islamic immigrants and they have had no trouble adjusting to Australian laws or customs.  It is all in the attitude of the migrants.  How many Muslims do you know personally?  Any at all?  Find a Muslim and talk to them honestly and they will respond in a similar manner.  The Koran instructs Muslims that they must obey the laws of the land they live in.  The majority do so. I do know many muslims through work, sport and friends. I do know that many find openly gay people uncomfortable, some find womens dress standards uncomfortable. I'm not here to disrespect muslims but in my experience they do have a hard time balancing their beliefs with the average Australian. If this was not true we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Are you muslim Brian?. Why does that worry you, Leroy?  What if I am?  My religion is my own and my business alone.  So, you claim to know many Muslims. I wonder why I wonder if that is true or not? Most Islamophobes know none.  I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I have told you where I have contact with muslims.

Your reaction to call me islamophobic without any reason at all suggests you feel uncomfortable by my question.

Have a great day Ross.

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 1:58pm: There are no rules or laws within Islam that conflict with Australian law, Leroy.  I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Islamic immigrants and they have had no trouble adjusting to Australian laws or customs.  It is all in the attitude of the migrants.  How many Muslims do you know personally?  Any at all?  Find a Muslim and talk to them honestly and they will respond in a similar manner.  The Koran instructs Muslims that they must obey the laws of the land they live in.  The majority do so. I do know many muslims through work, sport and friends. I do know that many find openly gay people uncomfortable, some find womens dress standards uncomfortable. I'm not here to disrespect muslims but in my experience they do have a hard time balancing their beliefs with the average Australian. If this was not true we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Are you muslim Brian?. Why does that worry you, Leroy?  What if I am?  My religion is my own and my business alone.  So, you claim to know many Muslims. I wonder why I wonder if that is true or not? Most Islamophobes know none.  I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) I have told you where I have contact with muslims. Your reaction to call me islamophobic without any reason at all suggests you feel uncomfortable by my question. Have a great day Ross.

Where have I said you were Islamophobic, Leroy?  I mention that Islamophobes don't know any Muslims.  Does that equate to you?  I have no idea.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

Where have I said you were Islamophobic, Leroy?  I mention that Islamophobes don't know any Muslims.  Does that equate to you?  I have no idea.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I wonder why I wonder if that is true or not? Most Islamophobes know none

I can read.

We are not going to have a civil conversation so its best if you just call me some names now and that will be the end of it OK.

Leroy wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 3:20pm: Where have I said you were Islamophobic, Leroy?  I mention that Islamophobes don't know any Muslims.  Does that equate to you?  I have no idea.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I wonder why I wonder if that is true or not? Most Islamophobes know none I can read. We are not going to have a civil conversation so its best if you just call me some names now and that will be the end of it OK.

No, "Leroy", the only name I think I'll call you is, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam.

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren or should I call you "Leroy"?  Anyway, it is the perfect antidote to your Islamophobia. It betrays the lies you love to tell about Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Buddhists/Mormons/etc.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren or should I call you "Leroy"?  Anyway, it is the perfect antidote to your Islamophobia. It betrays the lies you love to tell about Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Buddhists/Mormons/etc.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam.

You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology.
Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs?

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren or should I call you "Leroy"?  Anyway, it is the perfect antidote to your Islamophobia. It betrays the lies you love to tell about Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Buddhists/Mormons/etc.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs?

Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren or should I call you "Leroy"?  Anyway, it is the perfect antidote to your Islamophobia. It betrays the lies you love to tell about Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Buddhists/Mormons/etc.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs? Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You have lost the plot mate.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren or should I call you "Leroy"?  Anyway, it is the perfect antidote to your Islamophobia. It betrays the lies you love to tell about Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Buddhists/Mormons/etc.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs? Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 9:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:25pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren or should I call you "Leroy"?  Anyway, it is the perfect antidote to your Islamophobia. It betrays the lies you love to tell about Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Buddhists/Mormons/etc.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs? Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:03pm: [ Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs? Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You are lying, obviously.

You have not studied, worked, served with adherents of every ideology you reject or detest. You haven't met adherents of all of them, let alone discussed their views.

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:25pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:03pm: [ Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs? Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You are lying, obviously. You have not studied, worked, served with adherents of every ideology you reject or detest. You haven't met adherents of all of them, let alone discussed their views.

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:25pm: Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:03pm: [ Nonsense. It is totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.  But you make this point- and only this one - in defence of Islam. You haven't studied, served, worked with German Nazis or Italian or Francoist Fascists, nor any soviet communists, any Pol Potists etc, etc - yet I suspect you reject Nazism, fascism, soviet comunist ideology. Or am I wrong? You suspend judgement on them until you have worked, studied and served with such people and discussed their thoughts on their beliefs? Actually, "Leroy" (I note you don't deny the name), I've discussed matters with their modern adherents on numerous occasions, in numerous situations.  Unlike you, I am open to discussion on many subjects and beliefs, which is why I am popular amongst people, compared to you, "Leroy".  I actually went out with a dedicated Communist for a few months at one stage and I've known a few neo-Nazis over the years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You are lying, obviously. You have not studied, worked, served with adherents of every ideology you reject or detest. You haven't met adherents of all of them, let alone discussed their views.

I agree absolutely!  Brian is a bullshitter.  Anyone who has worked with mussos like I have for 8 years will attest to the fact that mussos are corrupt and have no respect for this country and its laws.

You do not become "friends" with mussos.  They will not come to your home and they will not invite you to theirs. And there are several reasons for this that I will not go into here atm. 

Then there's my son ... who as a TAG officer was seconded to the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad for 18 months. And therefore became a target.  You think he doesn't know a thing or two about mussos?? 

And for any idiot who thinks muslims are such a wonderful addition to our once law-abiding society ... just turn on the news any night and watch in horror as another person is murdered in the south western suburbs of Sydney as mussos fight over drug turf.  Another couple of high end getaway cars are torched in the streets, another drive by shooting happens, another tobacconist is torched, another home invasion, another violent machete attack ... and then there are their criminal forays into the NDIS, fake child care centres, credit card and insurance fraud, car rebirthing, car hijacking, standover tactics and protection rackets, extortion ... on and on ad infinitum. 

Oh, and terrorism. 

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you seem to think that Lebanese are typical of all Muslims.  I've never met a Lebanese but I have served with, studied with and worked with other Muslims who do fit quite well into Australian culture and society.  You're also assuming law breakers are typical of all Muslims.  What about the law-abiding ones?  Don't they count?  You're just a typical Islamophobe.  I doubt you've ever met a Muslim in your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

BRISBANE, Australia (7 July 2022) – The number of people in Australia reporting their religion as Islam has grown to 813,392, comprising 3.2% of the total Australian population, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said in a 28 June media release.

The Muslim population grew 35% from 604,000 reported in Census 2016. There were 200,900 Muslims according to Census 1996 making up 1.1% of the population and in 1991 only 147,500 people reported their religion as Islam.

Christianity which has been the dominant religion in Australia now forms 43.9% of the population, having declined from 52.1% in Census 2016, 74% in Census 1991 and 88% in Census 1996.
https://www.halaluniverse.net/markets/australia-census-2021-reveals-muslim-population-at-813392/

The 2001 Census shows New South Wales has the largest Muslim population, with nearly a third of the city's Muslims born here, while other major sources were Lebanon (ten percent), and Turkey (eight percent). Other countries from which Muslims have migrated to Sydney include Afghanistan, Bosnia, Pakistan, Indonesia,
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you seem to think that Lebanese are typical of all Muslims.  I've never met a Lebanese but I have served with, studied with and worked with other Muslims who do fit quite well into Australian culture and society.  You're also assuming law breakers are typical of all Muslims.  What about the law-abiding ones?  Don't they count?  You're just a typical Islamophobe.  I doubt you've ever met a Muslim in your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

So not just Lebanese Muslims in Sydney  -  and suddenly Bbwian is offering fellatio.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you seem to think that Lebanese are typical of all Muslims.  I've never met a Lebanese but I have served with, studied with and worked with other Muslims who do fit quite well into Australian culture and society.  You're also assuming law breakers are typical of all Muslims.  What about the law-abiding ones?  Don't they count?  You're just a typical Islamophobe.  I doubt you've ever met a Muslim in your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

But if you were a cop you'd do what they do -

round up the usual suspects.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:34pm:

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No, Bbwian, don't keep offering sucky sucky. I don't care how eager you are to give it, it's not wanted. Desist.

Why does it take so long for you understand such simple refusals, no means no. Go sucky sucky elsewhere.

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant.

Your statement infers that all Muslims will have the same view (understanding) of Islam, which is obviously not the case.

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 3:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 3:34pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif No, Bbwian, don't keep offering sucky sucky. I don't care how eager you are to give it, it's not wanted. Desist. Why does it take so long for you understand such simple refusals, no means no. Go sucky sucky elsewhere.

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Islam is a MASS religion. It's a group mentality and thus EVERY Moslem is a terrorist.
Do you see many Moslem leaders, individuals and nations OFFICIALLY speaking AGAINST their fellow Moslems for their Terrorism?
NO!


They are ALL in it together.
They are ALL terrorists.

Jasin wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

Islam is a MASS religion. It's a group mentality and thus EVERY Moslem is a terrorist. Do you see many Moslem leaders, individuals and nations OFFICIALLY speaking AGAINST their fellow Moslems for their Terrorism? NO! They are ALL in it together. They are ALL terrorists.

MAGA is a MASS cult. It's a group mentality and thus EVERY MAGA is a sexual predator.
Do you see many MAGA leaders, individuals and states OFFICIALLY speaking AGAINST their fellow MAGAs for their sexual crimes?
NO!


They are ALL in it together.
They are ALL sexual predators.

The only sexual sicko here is you.

Afterall, you're a known poster of homo erotic fantasies.

You're just a Troll who lies, is a fraud, posts fake propaganda and has an issue about Trump's sex life, because you can't form an argument against his politics, which matters most.

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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:30pm: I know I'm unusual because I've known so many over the decades.  I have served with them in the Australian Army, I have studied with them at the Defence Academy,  I have worked with them in various positions as a Computer technician.  All were good people and none of them had any problems fitting into Australian culture.  You haven't told us where you knew your Muslims and where they came from originally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Totally irrelevant for forming a view of Islam or any religion or ideology. Totally irrelevant. Your statement infers that all Muslims will have the same view (understanding) of Islam, which is obviously not the case.

It does not infer that at all, you silly parrot.  It MEANS that you can judge an ideology.  To what extent an individual adheres to it is another matter.

Maoism is a repulsive ideology, no matter how nice your Maoist school librarian was. Ditto Nazism, Stalinism, Mohammedanism, Leninism.   

Are you competing with Bbwian on who's the bigger, uncomprehending moron? Looks like it.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you seem to think that Lebanese are typical of all Muslims.  I've never met a Lebanese but I have served with, studied with and worked with other Muslims who do fit quite well into Australian culture and society.  You're also assuming law breakers are typical of all Muslims.  What about the law-abiding ones?  Don't they count?  You're just a typical Islamophobe.  I doubt you've ever met a Muslim in your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

No, they don't count, never have.  They're useless actually.  There may have been thousands of law-abiding mussos in the US.  But it only took three mussos to crash into the World Trade Centre. 

It's not the law-abiding ones who matter.  It's the lunatics, the crazed extremist musso criminal types who infest every musso community.  Ever tried to get the "law-abiding" ones to out these extremists and crims?  The police have tried countless times but the "law-abiders" never speak to police ... unless they have a motive.   

Remember the 7/7 UK bombers? They said what most people have always suspected .... "behind closed doors there is no such thing as a moderate muslim." That's something you should think about.

I suspect the mussos you say you worked with in the defence forces were European mussos like Bosnians, Albanians or Kosovos. Althoughly personally, I suspect you're just lying.  Especially about being friends.  Workmates maybe.  But not friends. 

The mussos I worked for were Indonesian.  One of the most corrupt nations on earth.  And they brought their corrupt ways to Australia and got away with it for a very long time.

But very interesting really, especially being raided by the Federal Police, local police and immigration officials. Not something I can ever say I'd experienced before in my workplace.   

Let's be brutally honest rather than PC: Most migrants have complemented Australia. There is one group that hasn't.

The group that we cannot be named on pain of being called 'islamophobes' is able to call for the annihilation of Israel;
fire bomb cars;
write obscene grafitti  on private properties
conduct violent and intimidatory rallies every week


You can repeat the question posed by Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus in reference to Australia and the West generally and ask,  'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

There is one group that hasn't.

the Danes!

Aquarius wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 9:13am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:46am: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you seem to think that Lebanese are typical of all Muslims.  I've never met a Lebanese but I have served with, studied with and worked with other Muslims who do fit quite well into Australian culture and society.  You're also assuming law breakers are typical of all Muslims.  What about the law-abiding ones?  Don't they count?  You're just a typical Islamophobe.  I doubt you've ever met a Muslim in your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, they don't count, never have.  They're useless actually.  There may have been thousands of law-abiding mussos in the US.  But it only took three mussos to crash into the World Trade Centre.  It's not the law-abiding ones who matter.  It's the lunatics, the crazed extremist musso criminal types who infest every musso community.  Ever tried to get the "law-abiding" ones to out these extremists and crims?  The police have tried countless times but the "law-abiders" never speak to police ... unless they have a motive.    Remember the 7/7 UK bombers? They said what most people have always suspected .... "behind closed doors there is no such thing as a moderate muslim." That's something you should think about. I suspect the mussos you say you worked with in the defence forces were European mussos like Bosnians, Albanians or Kosovos. Althoughly personally, I suspect you're just lying.  Especially about being friends.  Workmates maybe.  But not friends.  The mussos I worked for were Indonesian.  One of the most corrupt nations on earth.  And they brought their corrupt ways to Australia and got away with it for a very long time. But very interesting really, especially being raided by the Federal Police, local police and immigration officials. Not something I can ever say I'd experienced before in my workplace.

ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 10:03am: There is one group that hasn't. the Danes!

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Hi Dr Brian,
may I suggest you have a holiday in Afghanistan ? -

you might really enjoy the Taliban.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:05am: ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Hi Dr Brian, may I suggest you have a holiday in Afghanistan ? - you might really enjoy the Taliban.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You're the Troll
and you think you're being funny.
You're a blight on this Forum

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, poor, poor, JaSIN, you're feeling hurt when faced with someone who acts just like you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You don't act like me. Not even close.
You're desperately trying to bring me down to your pathetic level of contribution to this Forum, but I'll just let you drown as I've got better people who deserve to be rescued. Thems the breaks. No room on the life-boat for the likes of you thrashing around like a troll wanting to drag others down.
So it's in the best interests for the safety of others that you need a whack with an oar to distract the sharks with an easy offering.

Prove me wrong.
Do a post just like this one and show everyone how right you are, that I'm just like you.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:05am: ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Hi Dr Brian, may I suggest you have a holiday in Afghanistan ? - you might really enjoy the Taliban. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Go and kiss Taliban bum.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:05am: ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Hi Dr Brian, may I suggest you have a holiday in Afghanistan ? - you might really enjoy the Taliban. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Go and kiss Taliban bum.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 2:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 1:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 11:05am: ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Hi Dr Brian, may I suggest you have a holiday in Afghanistan ? - you might really enjoy the Taliban. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Go and kiss Taliban bum. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Is this your new invitation for sucky sucky, Bbwian?

Yes, it is.

Desist, Queenie. "dearie, dearie me"??  What the gay ****?  ;D ;D ;D

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 7:48pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, .  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

gay!!

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll and an Islamophobe, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll and an Islamophobe, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Gay.
Dearie dearie me???

Gay.

Sucky sucky?
Gay.

Gay like Yasser. Yuck.

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Setanta has put the Yawn in Brian's closet and now he can only call others trolls. Very lame. 😆

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 8:56pm:

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Pained Maggie with parasol - gay.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you're such a Troll and an Islamophobe, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

Aquarius wrote on Dec 12th, 2024 at 9:13am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2024 at 10:46am: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you seem to think that Lebanese are typical of all Muslims.  I've never met a Lebanese but I have served with, studied with and worked with other Muslims who do fit quite well into Australian culture and society.  You're also assuming law breakers are typical of all Muslims.  What about the law-abiding ones?  Don't they count?  You're just a typical Islamophobe.  I doubt you've ever met a Muslim in your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, they don't count, never have.  They're useless actually.  There may have been thousands of law-abiding mussos in the US.  But it only took three mussos to crash into the World Trade Centre.  It's not the law-abiding ones who matter.  It's the lunatics, the crazed extremist musso criminal types who infest every musso community.  Ever tried to get the "law-abiding" ones to out these extremists and crims?  The police have tried countless times but the "law-abiders" never speak to police ... unless they have a motive.    Remember the 7/7 UK bombers? They said what most people have always suspected .... "behind closed doors there is no such thing as a moderate muslim." That's something you should think about. I suspect the mussos you say you worked with in the defence forces were European mussos like Bosnians, Albanians or Kosovos. Althoughly personally, I suspect you're just lying.  Especially about being friends.  Workmates maybe.  But not friends.  The mussos I worked for were Indonesian.  One of the most corrupt nations on earth.  And they brought their corrupt ways to Australia and got away with it for a very long time. But very interesting really, especially being raided by the Federal Police, local police and immigration officials. Not something I can ever say I'd experienced before in my workplace.    ASIO has no problem talking to moderate Muslims.  Perhaps because they are not heavy handed like the Police?  Or you.  There are numerous moderate Muslims, you just have to approach them with respect, not insults.  I am not astounded that you have the attitude that you do have.  It's common amongst Australians who have never talked to Muslims and believe the scaremongering that goes on in the media.  There are bad Muslims I don't doubt but I've only encounted good ones, so I think they are rarer than you understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

OMG you mean police have to treat the mussos with kid gloves?  Criminal or not, they stick together and will never speak to police unless anonymously - and that will only be to gain some sort of benefit for them.  Otherwise they will be getting a drive by visit one night from their "non moderate" mates. 

As for talking to muslims (non capitalised with the greatest of intent), how and where are these conversations supposed to take place?

For my part working with mussos for 8 years, I can assure you the conversations were more about the accounts than the Qur'an.

But rest assured, it's never so much about the conversations - rather more it's about observing the behaviours and the actions which speak louder than words. 

Taxation fraud, insurance fraud, immigration fraud, export grant fraud, electricity theft, wage theft, non payment of super and entitlements ... I could go on!!  But all I can say is if these were an example of good, moderate, business muslims, I would hate to see the bad ones!! 

And if you've only encountered good ones - then I can only conclude you've spoken to maybe, one?  Two at the most?  And if that one or two mussos were someone you were working with, I am certain that you would be more likely to be discussing work related issues  ... not having an indepth conversation about Mohammed and the five pillars of Islam. 

Personally I think you're deaf, dumb and blind to the bleeding obvious.  You mention just one or two muslims you have known but basically discount the tens of thousands of violent Lebanese crims that infest the south west suburbs of Sydney. Where there are shootings every night, cars and tobacconists are fire bombed every night. People are murdered regularly as they fight over drug turf.  What is more worrying is that at the moment they only make up about 4% of the population! 

And of course, you thought that was only a little get together at the Opera House when thousands of "good" pro Palestinian mussos gathered to violently oppose the Opera House sails being lit up with the Israeli flag in solidarity with the Jewish community after the shocking attack on innocent Israelis by Hamas terrorists.   

Basically, I can see that you're just ignorant.   ::)

Aquarius wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

OMG you mean police have to treat the mussos with kid gloves?  Criminal or not, they stick together and will never speak to police unless anonymously - and that will only be to gain some sort of benefit for them.  Otherwise they will be getting a drive by visit one night from their "non moderate" mates.

Which makes me think you really are an Islamophobe who has never really spoken to a Muslim.  Muslims are generally, quite civilised if approached in a respectful way.  If you want to go in boots and all you have to expect them to react in a negative way.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


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As for talking to muslims (non capitalised with the greatest of intent), how and where are these conversations supposed to take place?

They occurred in every day situations.  Why does it matter?  Should have they been conducted clandestinely?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


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Personally I think you're deaf, dumb and blind to the bleeding obvious.  You mention just one or two muslims you have known but basically discount the tens of thousands of violent Lebanese crims that infest the south west suburbs of Sydney. Where there are shootings every night, cars and tobacconists are fire bombed every night. People are murdered regularly as they fight over drug turf.  What is more worrying is that at the moment they only make up about 4% of the population!

I've actually known at last count about 2 dozen Muslims (capitalised deliberately) ranging from the two I served with in the Army, through the three I studied with in my Masters course, and the rest who I worked with.  All were straight, normal people who were not criminals and were not Lebanese.  None I knew were in the south-west of Sydney.  They were from Turkish, through Pakistani and Malaysian and African origins.   By your admission you appear to have only met Lebanese.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

Aquarius wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 12:41pm: OMG you mean police have to treat the mussos with kid gloves?  Criminal or not, they stick together and will never speak to police unless anonymously - and that will only be to gain some sort of benefit for them.  Otherwise they will be getting a drive by visit one night from their "non moderate" mates.  Which makes me think you really are an Islamophobe who has never really spoken to a Muslim.  Muslims are generally, quite civilised if approached in a respectful way.  If you want to go in boots and all you have to expect them to react in a negative way.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Quote: As for talking to muslims (non capitalised with the greatest of intent), how and where are these conversations supposed to take place? They occurred in every day situations.  Why does it matter?  Should have they been conducted clandestinely?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) [quote] Personally I think you're deaf, dumb and blind to the bleeding obvious.  You mention just one or two muslims you have known but basically discount the tens of thousands of violent Lebanese crims that infest the south west suburbs of Sydney. Where there are shootings every night, cars and tobacconists are fire bombed every night. People are murdered regularly as they fight over drug turf.  What is more worrying is that at the moment they only make up about 4% of the population!

I've actually known at last count about 2 dozen Muslims (capitalised deliberately) ranging from the two I served with in the Army, through the three I studied with in my Masters course, and the rest who I worked with.  All were straight, normal people who were not criminals and were not Lebanese.  None I knew were in the south-west of Sydney.  They were from Turkish, through Pakistani and Malaysian and African origins.   By your admission you appear to have only met Lebanese.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Islamaphobia (fear of terrorism) is totally justified Brian.
Because of that justified core fear, action to survive it must be taken into mind and dealt with or it will always be a fear and fear is the mind killer.
Burying your head in the sand Brian, doesn't provide you with an answer to Terrorism by Moslems. No-one wants to hear that crap (trolling) from you and your virtue signalling self love. It doesn't provide the answers, which is to deal with it in an effective way.

Brian folks would be the type who would say that a fear of all out thermo nuclear war is an unjustified racist phobia  ::)

How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I've known 'too many' Moslems Troll. They get worse when there's more of them. Pure pack mentality with violence as their first refuge. When they're isolated, of course, they're on the semi best behaviour. I've known a 'few' good ones. But that's way too few, in regards to the majority. I've fought Moslems, I've slept with Moslems, I've been in the cultural fabric of the Moslems. I know them far better than you bozo.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?.

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:30pm: How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?.

Who said I was a Muslim, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:30pm: How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?. Who said I was a Muslim, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Being a muslim is nothing to hide or be ashamed of, we are all different in different ways.

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:53pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:30pm: How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?. Who said I was a Muslim, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Being a muslim is nothing to hide or be ashamed of, we are all different in different ways.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, why don't you answer the question?  Afraid to admit that it is just you trying it on?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Is JaSin a Christian?  What exactly is his religion that is different?

Leroy wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:30pm: How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?.

Are the Catholics and Protestant Irish the same?  Bbwian is an Irish Catholic.


The Sunni and the Shia can't coexist in peace, and both are furiously persecuting the Ahmadiyas. What hope is th erre, then, for the sunni and shia living in peace with anyond else?

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:30pm: How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?. Are the Catholics and Protestant Irish the same?  Bbwian is an Irish Catholic.

I am if anything an ex-Catholic, Soren.  I am not an Irish person but something you are only by adoption - an Australian.  I have some Irish ancestry but that is long ago.  I do not preach Catholicism.  I am not a Protestant.  I am an Australian atheist and quite proud of it.  I do not rely on imaginary Gods for anything.  Unlike you with your Lutheran sense of right and wrong.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 10:10am: Leroy wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2024 at 7:30pm: How many Muslims do you know, JaSin?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  If you did, you'd realise that they are normal people who just believe in a different God to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) As a muslim Brian do you think that catholics and christians are just the same as you?. Are the Catholics and Protestant Irish the same?  Bbwian is an Irish Catholic. I am if anything an ex-Catholic, Soren.  I am not an Irish person but something you are only by adoption - an Australian.  I have some Irish ancestry but that is long ago.  I do not preach Catholicism.  I am not a Protestant.  I am an Australian atheist and quite proud of it.  I do not rely on imaginary Gods for anything.  Unlike you with your Lutheran sense of right and wrong.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

How does a "proud" atheist get a Doktor of Divinity degree to boast about (other than by mail order, $19.95 + p.p.)?  :o


Here's a headline that sums you up, Bbwiyawn.



The road to Hell is paved with arse-covering cowardice

Between 2006 to 2008, senior management within the Council were concerned that allegations about Asian male involvement with CSE in Wellington had the potential to start a “race riot” …

But what else does one find? One finds the fear of “complaints of racism” and of being “politically incorrect”. That doesn’t sound noble to me — it sounds cowardly and self-centred. Indeed, it makes it sound like the concern with public order had less to do with virtuous ideals than with protecting their careers and their institutions. There is a difference between being concerned with peace for its own sake and being concerned with peace because your arse is on the line if there turns out to be violence.

Yet the failure to stop the rapes had many causes — and they don’t get any nobler. In the Jay Report into the grooming gangs in Rotherham, for example, we hear appalling details about the classism and misogyny of police officials. According to one witness, the attitude of some police officers was that the victims were “undesirables” who could not be trusted. “Police weren’t arsed with us, really,” said one victim who was key to the belated investigations in Rochdale, “They don’t give a bugger when you’re not from a wealthy background.”

Then there is the whiff of outright corruption — the laptops and documents that were stolen in Rotherham, with, in the latter case, “no signs of a forced entry to the key-coded and locked security doors”. Whatever went missing, one doubts that it was evidence of a sincere concern for the public good.

Again, the desire to explain a sin is not the same as the desire to excuse it. I am not suggesting that Messrs Holland and Hilton are anything but appalled by the failure to stop the rapists. But it is a mistake to ennoble that failure. That failure was not just tragic but actively wicked and it is important to appreciate that if appropriate accountability is going to be achieved.

The road to Hell is not always paved with good intentions. Some of its paving stones are also cowardice, venality and spite.
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-road-to-hell-is-paved-with-arse-covering-cowardice/

That is you:  arse- covering cowardice, vanity and spite.  And there are, evidently, millions of you, in Britain, here and across the West.

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Sectarian intimidation on display.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 12:34pm:

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Only your arse covering cowardice, monumental vanity and venal spitefulness are on display.

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Ad huminem insults on display.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Good spotting Frank. The Brian Troll is vain. Lol

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Trollish behavior on display.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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When Brian's argument runs dry, the repetitive trolling begins.
Warning: Brian is a moron

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Ad huminem insults on display.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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The pro terrorist supporter and his troll post above.

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Trollish behavior on display.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 7:58pm:

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How does a "proud" atheist get a Doktor of Divinity degree to boast about (other than by mail order, $19.95 + p.p.)? 

Please explain.