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Second Amendment advocates urge Trump to leash the ATF,
& pick a Pro-Gun Director.




Source:      The Washington Examiner      
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Advocates of the Second Amendment are pushing the incoming Trump Administration to dismantle anti-gun policies erected by the Biden White House and rein in Washington’s firearms regulatory agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives...the ATF. Several gun groups have asked President-elect Donald Trump to abolish the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention when he returns to the Oval Office. Trump is expected to comply. Lawrence Keane, the senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the industry representative, said, “Nowhere else, within the U.S. government, are taxpayers forced to fund efforts to denigrate their rights protected by the law. This office was established to appease the special-interest gun control lobby and donors.” Trump is also being pressured to abolish or limit the authority of the ATF. The agency under Biden has become a regulations-heavy anti-gun outfit that targets gun sellers and has been trying to regulate commonly used and owned firearms. In a speech at a National Rifle Association outdoors convention in Pennsylvania earlier this year, Trump promised action. “Every single Biden attack on gun owners and manufacturers will be terminated my very first week back in office, perhaps my first day,” he said. On Capitol Hill, Republicans are feeling more confident they will have a partner in the White House to limit the power of the ATF and the major law it enforces, the National Firearms Act. That act forces the buyers of short-barrelled rifles and suppressors, for example, to register those items and pay a special tax.

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And it should be.

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President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support.

He has since reiterated his promise.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so. 

It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish.


God Bless The United States Constitution!!!

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Panther wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

President Trump has promised to ...

Well, if there's one thing we know about Trump it's that he keeps his promises

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Panther wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

.. Second Amendment advocates urge Trump to leash the ATF, & pick a Pro-Gun Director. Source:      The Washington Examiner       Quote: Advocates of the Second Amendment are pushing the incoming Trump Administration to dismantle anti-gun policies erected by the Biden White House and rein in Washington’s firearms regulatory agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives...the ATF. Several gun groups have asked President-elect Donald Trump to abolish the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention when he returns to the Oval Office. Trump is expected to comply. Lawrence Keane, the senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the industry representative, said, “Nowhere else, within the U.S. government, are taxpayers forced to fund efforts to denigrate their rights protected by the law. This office was established to appease the special-interest gun control lobby and donors.” Trump is also being pressured to abolish or limit the authority of the ATF. The agency under Biden has become a regulations-heavy anti-gun outfit that targets gun sellers and has been trying to regulate commonly used and owned firearms. In a speech at a National Rifle Association outdoors convention in Pennsylvania earlier this year, Trump promised action. “Every single Biden attack on gun owners and manufacturers will be terminated my very first week back in office, perhaps my first day,” he said. On Capitol Hill, Republicans are feeling more confident they will have a partner in the White House to limit the power of the ATF and the major law it enforces, the National Firearms Act. That act forces the buyers of short-barrelled rifles and suppressors, for example, to register those items and pay a special tax. https://i.imgur.com/pLfnciA.jpg God Bless The United States Constitution....God Bless AMERICA! ..

Abolish gun violence prevention, is it?

That could work. Next time there's a mass shooting, the White House spokesperson can come out and praise the shooter's aim.

God bless America, no?

Panther wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

.. President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support. He has since reiterated his promise. The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states. Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely. Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements. President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so.  It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish. God Bless The United States Constitution!!! https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif ..

Excuse me, did you just say states have firearm regulations?

That citizens must have a license to carry a Magnum 44 in a shoulder strap or a two-shot Derringer in their boot?

Sounds a little unconstitutional to me, dear. How could states possibly have laws?

Ridiculous. Mr Trump should do no such thing. If Congress puts a firearm regulation on his desk, he needs to tear it up and throw it in the bin (like he does with most of his papers). Your beloved Constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms, period. There are no ifs or buts. You have been most clear on this.

Strangely, your Constitution also allows the Vice Prez to overturn presidential elections, but we won't go there, it's a little bit controversial.

LAWFARE !!!

Karnal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 1:21pm: .. President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support. He has since reiterated his promise. The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states. Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely. Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements. President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so.  It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish. God Bless The United States Constitution!!! https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif .. Excuse me, did you just say states have firearm regulations? That citizens must have a license to carry a Magnum 44 in a shoulder strap or a two-shot Derringer in their boot? Sounds a little unconstitutional to me, dear. How could states possibly have laws? Ridiculous. Mr Trump should do no such thing. If Congress puts a firearm regulation on his desk, he needs to tear it up and throw it in the bin (like he does with most of his papers). Your beloved Constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms, period. There are no ifs or buts. You have been most clear on this. Strangely, your Constitution also allows the Vice Prez to overturn presidential elections, but we won't go there, it's a little bit controversial. LAWFARE !!!

All points, your initial Constitutionality statements/questions regarding firearms, & your "controversial" matter in your final Constitutionality statement/question, if they were ever properly pursued through the national court system without any acceptable resolution, IMHO a case could eventually land in the hands of the highest court in America, the United States Supreme Court, who upon being requested to determine constitutionality of said issue, would have to decide whether to grant a writ or reject the request for a petitioner's 'writ of certiorari'......SCOTUS will vote on the returning writ & if 4 SCOTUS Justices of the 9 agree to hear it, then & only then will the SCOTUS take on an issue & hear arguments.

That sounds like the governments and judges of US of Ammunition don't agree with the 2nd Amend.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

About time those who seek to ‘white ant’ the Constitution were reined in.

Tough to get the supreme court justices.

Panther wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 3:35pm: Panther wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 1:21pm: .. President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support. He has since reiterated his promise. The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states. Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely. Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements. President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so.  It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish. God Bless The United States Constitution!!! https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif .. Excuse me, did you just say states have firearm regulations? That citizens must have a license to carry a Magnum 44 in a shoulder strap or a two-shot Derringer in their boot? Sounds a little unconstitutional to me, dear. How could states possibly have laws? Ridiculous. Mr Trump should do no such thing. If Congress puts a firearm regulation on his desk, he needs to tear it up and throw it in the bin (like he does with most of his papers). Your beloved Constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms, period. There are no ifs or buts. You have been most clear on this. Strangely, your Constitution also allows the Vice Prez to overturn presidential elections, but we won't go there, it's a little bit controversial. LAWFARE !!! All points, your initial Constitutionality statements/questions regarding firearms, & your "controversial" matter in your final Constitutionality statement/question, if they were ever properly pursued through the national court system without any acceptable resolution, IMHO a case could eventually land in the hands of the highest court in America, the United States Supreme Court, who upon being requested to determine constitutionality of said issue, would have to decide whether to grant a writ or reject the request for a petitioner's 'writ of certiorari'......SCOTUS will vote on the returning writ & if 4 SCOTUS Justices of the 9 agree to hear it, then & only then will the SCOTUS take on an issue & hear arguments.

I see. Allow me to summarize your argument.

If your DL, President of The United States, tried to regulate firearms by demanding that your federal Congress passes a bill, illegally infringing your Constitutional rights, such a law could be challenged and pursued through the national court system. Upon such litigation, and without an acceptable resolution in either direction to the satisfaction of both litigants, such a case could eventually, hitherto and henceforth, appear before the highest court of the land and demand a response from your learned and esteemed judges on the Supreme Court of The United States. Said judges would then be forced to decide on whether to grant a writ or reject the request for a petitioner's 'writ of certiorari'.

Have I summarized your position correctly thus far?

chimera wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 5:10pm:

That sounds like the governments and judges of US of Ammunition don't agree with the 2nd Amend.

It most certainly does, but we'll grant our learned friend Panther his right of reply.

Panther's sole argument to date upon the matter is to uphold the conviction that, given a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ignoring his fellow citizens' possession of the largest militia in the world, Panther argues that such a right is absolute and may not be rescinded by his elected political leaders, without the stated proviso of hell freezing over first.

Panther may care to note the current weather conditions in his reply.

The passage of 233 years of Infringements is arguably sufficient for a writ of Poena Flaccid due to lack of use. Concealed side-arms are impotent arms as the Senile and House know well. The men may amend the amendmen or madmen in Panther's case and join the Infringe Right.

'Colorado National Guard studies nuclear weapons history
By Staff Sgt. Zachary Sheely 100th Missile Defense Brigade

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – The 100th Missile Defense Brigade hosted a mobile training team from the Defense Nuclear Weapons School to teach Soldiers the basics of nuclear weapons at the brigade's headquarters Sept. 14-17.

"It's pertinent for others to understand so we know where each of our units and each of our missions fit in the greater scheme of strategic nuclear power," said Paul.

"With gun rights and nuke militias, we are always vigilant for semi-automatic nuke launches in the neighbourhood precincts".

US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office.just the same as Australian politicians who swear to uphold our Constitution but openly work for the institution of a republic should be given the boot.-

chimera wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

The passage of 233 years of Infringements is arguably sufficient for a writ of Poena Flaccid due to lack of use. Concealed side-arms are impotent arms as the Senile and House know well. The men may amend the amendmen or madmen in Panther's case and join the Infringe Right.

Just so, Chimera, there is the writ of Poena Flaccida to consider, but I do feel the erection of Panther's DL counters this out.

Panther has the right to bear arms to join his beloved militia, but given he lives in Australia, it's a bit of a moot point, no?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office.just the same as Australian politicians who swear to uphold our Constitution but openly work for the institution of a republic should be given the boot.-

Nonsense. The current Prez-elect has promised to overturn all rules, laws and articles, including those in the Constitution. The Supreme Court has given him the go-ahead. If he should so wish, Panther's DL can send the Navy Seals in to assassinate the Biden crime family.

VENGEANCE !!!

How does it feel to know you've been cheated, Panty Boy?

Karnal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:44pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 7:23pm: US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office.just the same as Australian politicians who swear to uphold our Constitution but openly work for the institution of a republic should be given the boot.- Nonsense. The current Prez-elect has promised to overturn all rules, laws and articles, including those in the Constitution. The Supreme Court has given him the go-ahead. If he should so wish, Panther's DL can send the Navy Seals in to assassinate the Biden crime family. VENGEANCE !!!

Pray tell what that has got to do with the truth of what I wrote?

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Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF

Implementing a standard process is sensible - it isn't leashing the ATF.

The next step would be to standardise good gun regulations.

Funny that the supreme court went in the opposite direction on abortion. They went from having a sensible national standard to a hoggle poggle of different state regulations ?

On precedent the supreme court should rule the same with this one ? Isn't this a case of the federal government overstepping and taking functions that belong to the states away ?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:15am:

Quote: Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF Implementing a standard process is sensible - it isn't leashing the ATF. The next step would be to standardise good gun regulations. Funny that the supreme court went in the opposite direction on abortion. They went from having a sensible national standard to a hoggle poggle of different state regulations ? On precedent the supreme court she rule the same with this one ? Isn't this a case of the federal government overstepping and taking functions that belong to the states away ?

When President Donald John Trump installs a new Pro-Gun Friendly ATF Director, who will be able to change & strike a number of ATF directives & regulations established by the Biden Administration, the NRA, GOA, & SAF estimate over 90% of all Biden directed & padded anti-gun laws will vanish in favor of law-abiding American gun owners. https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif

Most recent gun laws & bans depend on ATF Regulations.  Remove/Redefine the asinine anti-gun ATF Regulations & the laws that depend on them become invalid.... ;)

The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms,
Shall Not be Infringed

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Bwian, it shyts you to no end that no matter what you say, what pics you post, no matter how you protest, no matter how many sausage rolls you cram down yer throat, there is nothing you can ever do that will change America's resolve, OUR Right to Keep & Bear Arms belongs to Americans only, & you can suck wind out of a million dead camels asses, OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS belongs totally to US, & OUR President will strengthen that RIGHT like no other President in history. You have absolutely no control whatsoever over of what we AMERICANS have & can do......period.

In the course of human history Bwian....you will always be, as you always have been, a complete & utter non-entity.

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Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office.

Or if that fails, elect him twice.

Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 11:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:15am: Quote: Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF Implementing a standard process is sensible - it isn't leashing the ATF. The next step would be to standardise good gun regulations. Funny that the supreme court went in the opposite direction on abortion. They went from having a sensible national standard to a hoggle poggle of different state regulations ? On precedent the supreme court she rule the same with this one ? Isn't this a case of the federal government overstepping and taking functions that belong to the states away ? When President Donald John Trump installs a new Pro-Gun Friendly ATF Director, who will be able to change & strike a number of ATF directives & regulations established by the Biden Administration, the NRA, GOA, & SAF estimate over 90% of all Biden directed & padded anti-gun laws will vanish in favor of law-abiding American gun owners. https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif Most recent gun laws & bans depend on ATF Regulations.  Remove/Redefine the asinine anti-gun ATF Regulations & the laws that depend on them become invalid.... ;) The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall Not be Infringed

Hi Panther, how can the ATF have directives and regulations if your Constitution gives you the right to bear arms?

Can you explain this to the leftards, please?

Cheers.

What is a woman Karnal?

chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 7:23pm: US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office. Or if that fails, elect him twice.

And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution to grant a candidate a third term in office, so be it. That choice belongs to the American People, not the government.


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Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution

Sorry, the Constitution is currently unavailable. It's been deeply infringed and shredded on Jan 6. A memorial will be raised (paid for by Mexicans).

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What NRA, they no longer have any political power and we didn't need them anyway. Americans stand up for their Rights enough that a single organization isn't needed to hold Politian's accountable for their votes. The Voters will. Ask Liz Chaney about that Primary, we are not single issue voters either.

The guy who shot Trump's ear was infringed by security (although they had gun rights too).  Why didn't Trump shoot back?  Is he an American?

chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 6:15pm:

Panther wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 5:24pm: And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution Sorry, the Constitution is currently unavailable. It's been deeply infringed and shredded on Jan 6. A memorial will be raised (paid for by Mexicans).

No, that was November 2020 and it isn't dead. This time we made the election too big to steal. It is what we will have to do every time in the future. If nothing else will convince you why do the democrats always vote against voter ID at the polls? It isn't because some people are too poor to get free government issued identification!

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Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

chimera wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 4:32pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 14th, 2024 at 7:23pm: US elected politicians swear to uphold the Constitution. if they actively subvert it then they are perjurers and liars and should be removed from office. Or if that fails, elect him twice. And if the American People decide to amend their Constitution to grant a candidate a third term in office, so be it. That choice belongs to the American People, not the government. https://i.imgur.com/pLfnciA.jpg

Are you saying your DL should change the Constitution to regulate firearms and the ATF?

What's the matter, Panther, cat got your tongue?

What happened to it snowing in hell?

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

Ah.

So when a criminal breaks the law, they never face any consequences?

Panther wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 11:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:15am: Quote: Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF Implementing a standard process is sensible - it isn't leashing the ATF. The next step would be to standardise good gun regulations. Funny that the supreme court went in the opposite direction on abortion. They went from having a sensible national standard to a hoggle poggle of different state regulations ? On precedent the supreme court she rule the same with this one ? Isn't this a case of the federal government overstepping and taking functions that belong to the states away ? When President Donald John Trump installs a new Pro-Gun Friendly ATF Director, who will be able to change & strike a number of ATF directives & regulations established by the Biden Administration, the NRA, GOA, & SAF estimate over 90% of all Biden directed & padded anti-gun laws will vanish in favor of law-abiding American gun owners. https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif Most recent gun laws & bans depend on ATF Regulations.  Remove/Redefine the asinine anti-gun ATF Regulations & the laws that depend on them become invalid.... ;) The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall Not be Infringed

And then just like Trumps first term gun related deaths will increase.


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The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall Not be Infringed

You quote the second amendment of 2007 following the heller decision - the version with the whole first sentence removed. That is where you get to remove well regulated and the Militia completely from the 2nd amendment of 1791.

Exactly so, DNA.

Go back to 1881, We all remember the Gunfight at the OK coral well maybe everyone except Jasin.

The Earp Brothers with Doc Holliday fought a group of criminals.

People don't mention that the law that the Earp brothers were inforcing back in 1881 were the towns gun regulations. People were not allowed to carry in Tombstone.

There were always gun regulations and the second amendment always supported it. That is until 2008 and the senseless corrupt Heller decision.

Heller removed the Militia and regulations from the 2nd amendment and added self defence and defence of the home into it. This means that the second amendment now means things which are not included in the words of the amendment and excludes things which are written into the amendment - the 2nd amendment no longer means what the words in it say.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

I see. Are you suggesting your DL's right to own a firearm has been rescinded?

Panther, what does your Constitution say about this?

Cheers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:08pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:04pm: Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law. Ah. So when a criminal breaks the law, they never face any consequences?

There is rarely any punishment for using a gun. The crime itself can result in a lesser sentence than that imposed on an honest citizen having a firearm in a restricted area.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:51am:

There is rarely any punishment for using a gun. The crime itself can result in a lesser sentence than that imposed on an honest citizen having a firearm in a restricted area.

Unless you're black, eh, moron torty?


God damn, you're retarded.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 12:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:08pm: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:04pm: Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law. Ah. So when a criminal breaks the law, they never face any consequences? There is rarely any punishment for using a gun. The crime itself can result in a lesser sentence than that imposed on an honest citizen having a firearm in a restricted area.

Unless you have a laptop from hell, Mort. Then you have to go down.

When they go low we go high, no?

Panther wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

.. President Trump has promised to sign "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which he was willing to sign upon Senate approval during his first term in office. Unfortunately the Senate didn't cooperate back then, but happily....as we all know.....this is a much better time, & President Trump will have much greater control & support. He has since reiterated his promise. The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states. Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely. Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, "Constitutional Carry", while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements. President Trump has said he is open to also supporting "Constitutional Carry Reciprocity" legislation, which would allow the well over 80 Million American gun owning individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the United States without needing a license or permit to do so.  It seems that the day will be upon us, sooner rather than later, where all law-abiding Americans will be able to exercise their Constitutionally protected Right to Keep & Bear Arms as they wish, wherever they wish, whenever they wish. God Bless The United States Constitution!!! https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif ..

It isn't "President Trump". The correct way to address him at this point in time is actually "President-Elect Trump". Or, as I prefer to say, "Douchebag In Chief".

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/OvSW6yZF2m0RbbuGF7nvo3ZchCw=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/gun-laws-meme-58b8f6d25f9b58af5cb5f2bc.jpg

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Mortdooley wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Every gun law some people think we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun, first thing negotiated away by prosecution. Clearly gun laws are only passed to infringe on honest citizens because criminals don't obey the law.

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we need are actually "laws". Just like Felon in possession of a gun

OH you mean like Donald Trump ?

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ATF Braces for a Sharp Change of Course Under Trump




Source:      The Seattle Times    



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WASHINGTON — Many federal agencies are bracing for the Trump era — but few are likely to face the powerful backlash that awaits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which pursued an aggressive gun control agenda under President Joe Biden. The ATF, under its Biden-appointed director, Steven M. Dettelbach, has been more proactive on gun control than at any time in its recent history. It has pushed through rules to curb the proliferation of untraceable homemade firearms known as ghost guns, clamped down on devices that make firearms deadlier and regulated unlicensed firearms sellers who operate at gun shows or online. That earned praise from gun control groups and drew the enmity of Republicans, including President-elect Donald Trump. He is almost certain to pick a proponent of gun rights as director or simply leave the job vacant, as previous presidents have done, leaving the small and embattled bureau rudderless and vulnerable..........continued

 

When President Trump is finished 'changing' the leadership within the ATF, & putting the Right people in place to do his bidding without question....total loyalty....all overbearing anti-gun restrictions & regulations will cease to exist, replaced with pro-gun protections in line with the purpose of the Second Amendment.....to protect & defend an American's Right to keep & bear arms to be used for all lawful purposes, most importantly, for self-defense.

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chimera wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

The guy who shot Trump's ear ...

Yeah, nah.

That never happened.

Panther wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

When ... Trump is finished 'changing' the leadership within the ATF, & putting the Right people in place ...

Ah, yes.

He always picks the best people   ;)

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:48pm:

Go back to 1881, We all remember the Gunfight at the OK coral well maybe everyone except Jasin. The Earp Brothers with Doc Holliday fought a group of criminals. People don't mention that the law that the Earp brothers were inforcing back in 1881 were the towns gun regulations. People were not allowed to carry in Tombstone. There were always gun regulations and the second amendment always supported it. That is until 2008 and the senseless corrupt Heller decision. Heller removed the Militia and regulations from the 2nd amendment and added self defence and defence of the home into it. This means that the second amendment now means things which are not included in the words of the amendment and excludes things which are written into the amendment - the 2nd amendment no longer means what the words in it say.

The Second Amendment means just what it says, the militia is dependent upon the people having arms.
The Second Amendment grants no rights at all, it merely recognises them.
I do wish people, who should know better, would not twist English.

The militia being a right depends on the 2nd Amend. Otherwise there's no point in mentioning militia in connection with arms. The purpose of militia has nothing to do with personal shoot-outs.
Does a tax law give people the right to collect taxes from anyone?

chimera wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:04pm:

The militia being a right depends on the 2nd Amend. Otherwise there's no point in mentioning militia in connection with arms. The purpose of militia has nothing to do with personal shoot-outs. Does a tax law give people the right to collect taxes from anyone?

One of your better funny jokes.

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/z1kGqYnC__gphnXwl_gfcaCeJ3Y=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/need-assault-rifle-58b8f7d55f9b58af5cb8c433.jpg

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Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:45pm:

funny jokes.

What is?
Does the existence of army machine guns, by law, give people the right to machine guns in a trench outside a bank?

chimera wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 4:45pm: funny jokes. What is? Does the existence of army machine guns, by law, give people the right to machine guns in a trench outside a bank?

You appear to be confused.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/z1kGqYnC__gphnXwl_gfcaCeJ3Y=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/need-assault-rifle-58b8f7d55f9b58af5cb8c433.jpg ::) ::)

Why didn’t you check the first two?

Have you confused militia with public citizens?

chimera wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

Have you confused militia with public citizens?

What on earth is a ‘’public citizen’’ ?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 3:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 10:48pm: Go back to 1881, We all remember the Gunfight at the OK coral well maybe everyone except Jasin. The Earp Brothers with Doc Holliday fought a group of criminals. People don't mention that the law that the Earp brothers were inforcing back in 1881 were the towns gun regulations. People were not allowed to carry in Tombstone. There were always gun regulations and the second amendment always supported it. That is until 2008 and the senseless corrupt Heller decision. Heller removed the Militia and regulations from the 2nd amendment and added self defence and defence of the home into it. This means that the second amendment now means things which are not included in the words of the amendment and excludes things which are written into the amendment - the 2nd amendment no longer means what the words in it say. The Second Amendment means just what it says, the militia is dependent upon the people having arms. The Second Amendment grants no rights at all, it merely recognises them. I do wish people, who should know better, would not twist English.

Heller 2008 effectively removes the first section as being a preface only and not an active part of the amendment. This removes the concept of well regulated and any application concerning the Militia. That is just a fact. In the ruling they go on to add other things into the second amendment which do not exist in the amendment.

From 1791 to 2008 the 2nd had a definition and interpretation which aligned with the words in the amendment. From 2008 to today the 2nd has a definition set in 2008 by the supreme court which is different from the words of the amendment. i.e. the second does not reference self defence.

In 1791 the Militia had a clear function as part of the US armed forces and men were required to have arms in order to serve in the Militia. In this context of that time the first section of the amendment made perfect sense as an active literal part of the amendment. The direct stated literal reason for gun rights to be protected (shal not be infringed).

To paraphrase:

Because the Militia (well regulated) require men to own a gun the right to own a gun shall not be infringed. It says what it means and means what it says which made perfect sense in 1791 that is till it was redefined in 2008.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

chimera wrote on Dec 15th, 2024 at 9:12pm: The guy who shot Trump's ear ... Yeah, nah. That never happened.

Not at all. He has every right to own his hunting rifle, conceal it and take it to the rally.

As Panther says, it will be a cold day in hell before his fellow citizens' right to bear arms is rescinded.

Sorry - said. Suddenly Panther appears to have gone all shy.

What's the matter, Panther, cat got your tongue?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

What on earth is a ‘’public citizen’’ ?

public
'of or concerning the people as a whole.
ordinary people in general; the community.'
citizen
'a person who legally belongs to a country and has the rights and protection of that country.'
Public citizen : The community of a country. The convicts and / or the politicians.
Civilians 'a person not in the armed services or the police force.'
Armed militia have authority to shoot unlike citizens.
shoot : kill or wound (a person or animal) with a bullet or arrow.
'he was shot in the leg during an armed robbery'.
leg: 'The leg is the entire lower limb of the human body, including the foot, thigh or sometimes even the hip or buttock region'.
Body part
The foot is the part of the body that allows humans to stand and walk.
English
the language of England, widely used in many varieties throughout the world.

chimera wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 7:45pm: What on earth is a ‘’public citizen’’ ? public 'of or concerning the people as a whole. ordinary people in general; the community.' citizen 'a person who legally belongs to a country and has the rights and protection of that country.' Public citizen : The community of a country. The convicts and / or the politicians. Civilians 'a person not in the armed services or the police force.' Armed militia have authority to shoot unlike citizens. shoot : kill or wound (a person or animal) with a bullet or arrow. 'he was shot in the leg during an armed robbery'. leg: 'The leg is the entire lower limb of the human body, including the foot, thigh or sometimes even the hip or buttock region'. Body part The foot is the part of the body that allows humans to stand and walk. English the language of England, widely used in many varieties throughout the world.

Thanks for that comedic reply.

Saying the public are the militia is no joke.

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Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF

I don't see a problem with this

The more MAGAs with guns, the sooner Trump will be shot by his own supporters

where's the problem? ::)

John Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

Quote: Pro-2A President Trump asked to Leash the ATF I don't see a problem with this The more MAGAs with guns, the sooner Trump will be shot by his own supporters where's the problem? ::)

You make a good point, actually.

Half way through his term millions of the MAGA nuts are gonna realise they've been screwed and they're gonna want someone to pay.

It's gonna get messy.

Hey hey, there's a new spam. My yahoo has
'2nd Amendment. Your Concealed Carry permit is approved'.
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I didn't open it in case my downloads of pirate 3D 50 calibre HMG are hacked by Chinese HSBC and Elon Musk (Profits and Automatic Discharges).