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Message started by Mortdooley on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm

Title: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Mortdooley on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before? If they were working for the good of the people what do they have to fear?





More to come.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:04pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what makes the President to have the power to confer a pardon on anyone, Mort?  No one should be granted a pardon,  if they face the courts.  Even el Presidente himself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:10pm

Biden is behaving like a mafia boss.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Jasin on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:47pm
The Democrats have taken personal liberty with American politics. They deem themselves above the law.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Yadda on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:25pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm:


Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before?

If they were working for the good of the people what do they have to fear?





More to come.



mortdooley,

A suggestion for Trump team members.......


FIRSTLY......
Publicly thank the Biden Administration for providing all of these 'Preemptive Pardon' names.........

Even though these individuals may not be able to be prosecuted.......



NOW THAT THEY KNOW WHO TO INVESTIGATE......
Members of Trump's team should seek to amass every scrap of unimpeachable evidences they are able to,
relating to the conduct of these individuals.......


And then, PRINT ALL OF THOSE DISCOVERED EVIDENCES,
IN NATIONAL, MSM BROADSHEETS,
AS PAID, FULL PAGE ADVERTISEMENTS.



THE PURPOSE........
To openly disclose to the American people,      ....what some of these miscreants had gotten up to,
during their SUBVERTED 'service' to the American people.


miscreant = = a person who behaves badly or unlawfully.

.

I cannot imagine that there could be any legal impediment, to doing this.

So long as all of the evidences collected [and publicised] were all unimpeachable.

unimpeachable = = beyond reproach.



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Armchair_Politician on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:17am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before? If they were working for the good of the people what do they have to fear?





More to come.


Because that fool Trump will do what he complained Biden was doing (but didn't actually do), and weaponise the Justice Department by stacking it with Trump loyalists to create false cases against these people that are purely political and solely about retribution.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Yadda on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:38am

Yadda wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 11:25pm:

mortdooley,

A suggestion for Trump team members.......


FIRSTLY......
Publicly thank the Biden Administration for providing all of these 'Preemptive Pardon' names.........

Even though these individuals may not be able to be prosecuted.......



NOW THAT THEY KNOW WHO TO INVESTIGATE......
Members of Trump's team should seek to amass every scrap of unimpeachable evidences they are able to,
relating to the conduct of these individuals.......


And then, PRINT ALL OF THOSE DISCOVERED EVIDENCES,
IN NATIONAL, MSM BROADSHEETS,
AS PAID, FULL PAGE ADVERTISEMENTS.



THE PURPOSE........
To openly disclose to the American people,      ....what some of these miscreants had gotten up to,
during their SUBVERTED 'service' to the American people.


miscreant = = a person who behaves badly or unlawfully.

.

I cannot imagine that there could be any legal impediment, to doing this.

So long as all of the evidences collected [and publicised] were all unimpeachable.

unimpeachable = = beyond reproach.




EXAMPLE.....

Trump.......Biden selling border wall materials 'almost a criminal act'.......

And wouldn't the American people like to know,
WHO IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION,
IS AUTHORISING THIS ??!!




11111111111

Trump: Biden selling border wall materials 'almost a criminal act'

06 min
December 16th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/7eJrax9WrAg/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eJrax9WrAg



Quote:

President-elect Donald Trump ripped the Biden administration for selling border wall materials while delivering remarks from Mar-a-Lago, vowing to deliver 'prosperity' ahead of his second term.



.

22222222222

'OUTRAGEOUS': Biden reportedly selling off border wall materials

04 min
August 21st, 2023

https://old.bitchute.com/video/cp_GZMFFtyo/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_GZMFFtyo



Quote:

Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton joins 'Fox & Friends' to discuss the Biden administration's decision to auction off materials for the border wall that went unused.



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33333333333

'DEBACLE': Biden auctions off border wall materials

04 min
December 13th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/onprXUvgrF8/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onprXUvgrF8



Quote:

Senior national correspondent William La Jeunesse reports on
the Biden administration’s efforts to auction off materials from the southern border wall,
as President-elect Donald Trump’s return to the White House looms.






Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:25am
The 80yo baby is a vindictive arsehole. I would seek a pardon and move out of the US!

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:28am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
Biden is behaving like a mafia boss.


Good.

I've said it before, we know exactly the sort of poo show Trump is about to run, it's like the Dems played by his rules.

All those complaining about it now had no problem when Trump did it last time, and you won't complain when he does it again, so keep shedding those crocodile tears, nobody cares.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:20am

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before? If they were working for the good of the people what do they have to fear?


Dunno, Morty.

You tell us.

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:38am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
Biden is behaving like a mafia boss.


Good.

I've said it before, we know exactly the sort of poo show Trump is about to run, it's like the Dems played by his rules.

All those complaining about it now had no problem when Trump did it last time, and you won't complain when he does it again, so keep shedding those crocodile tears, nobody cares.



It's no different to the mafia paying off judges.

Trump never gave Preemptive Pardons -

no other President did either.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:38am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
Biden is behaving like a mafia boss.


Good.

I've said it before, we know exactly the sort of poo show Trump is about to run, it's like the Dems played by his rules.

All those complaining about it now had no problem when Trump did it last time, and you won't complain when he does it again, so keep shedding those crocodile tears, nobody cares.



It's no different to the mafia paying off judges.

Trump never gave Preemptive Pardons -

no other President did either.


Don't confuse ineptitude for intent.

Trump explored the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself, his family members, and close allies. These discussions emerged amid concerns about potential legal challenges after leaving office.  He couldn't figure out how to do it and gave up.

So, he tried and failed. 

And so far for Biden, no action has been taken yet either, unless something has changes since I last looked?

Don't count your chickens mate.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:12pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:38am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 10:10pm:
Biden is behaving like a mafia boss.


Good.

I've said it before, we know exactly the sort of poo show Trump is about to run, it's like the Dems played by his rules.

All those complaining about it now had no problem when Trump did it last time, and you won't complain when he does it again, so keep shedding those crocodile tears, nobody cares.



It's no different to the mafia paying off judges.

Trump never gave Preemptive Pardons -

no other President did either.


Don't confuse ineptitude for intent.

Trump explored the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself, his family members, and close allies. These discussions emerged amid concerns about potential legal challenges after leaving office.  He couldn't figure out how to do it and gave up.

So, he tried and failed. 

And so far for Biden, no action has been taken yet either, unless something has changes since I last looked?

Don't count your chickens mate.


Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before? If they were working for the good of the people what do they have to fear?


Dunno, Morty.

You tell us.

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."


Morty, you've gone awfully quiet.


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:23pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)


It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,


Quote:
On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."


There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:24pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
Don't confuse ineptitude for intent.

Trump explored the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself, his family members, and close allies. These discussions emerged amid concerns about potential legal challenges after leaving office.  He couldn't figure out how to do it and gave up.

So, he tried and failed. 

And so far for Biden, no action has been taken yet either, unless something has changes since I last looked?

Don't count your chickens mate.



https://www.cbsnews.com/video/biden-considering-preemptive-pardons-for-trump-critics-like-fauci-schiff-and-cheney/


FAUCI to get away with it -
for murdering 7 million people and causing over $40 trillion in economic damage.

Biden considering preemptive pardons for Trump critics like Fauci, Schiff and Cheney

CBS News has learned President Biden is considering issuing preemptive pardons for some of President-elect Donald Trump's biggest critics. Among the names being floated are Dr. Anthony Fauci, who served as the top science adviser during the height of COVID-19, California Democratic Senator-elect Adam Schiff, who led the first impeachment effort against Trump, and former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who was part of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. CBS News chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes has more.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:34pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)


It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,


Quote:
On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."


There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.


Oh dear.

And on top of that, we have this:

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:42pm
Greggy,
it's time you showed remorse for backing the biggest crook who is a President - POTUS -
that the world has ever seen.


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:09pm:
Don't confuse ineptitude for intent.

Trump explored the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself, his family members, and close allies. These discussions emerged amid concerns about potential legal challenges after leaving office.  He couldn't figure out how to do it and gave up.

So, he tried and failed. 

And so far for Biden, no action has been taken yet either, unless something has changes since I last looked?

Don't count your chickens mate.



https://www.cbsnews.com/video/biden-considering-preemptive-pardons-for-trump-critics-like-fauci-schiff-and-cheney/


FAUCI to get away with it -
for murdering 7 million people and causing over $40 trillion in economic damage.

Biden considering preemptive pardons for Trump critics like Fauci, Schiff and Cheney

CBS News has learned President Biden is considering issuing preemptive pardons for some of President-elect Donald Trump's biggest critics. Among the names being floated are Dr. Anthony Fauci, who served as the top science adviser during the height of COVID-19, California Democratic Senator-elect Adam Schiff, who led the first impeachment effort against Trump, and former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who was part of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. CBS News chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes has more.


Considering isn't action, just like when Trump attempted it.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.



Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh.     ::)


Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail.   ::)

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:59pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)


It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,


Quote:
On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."


There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.


So you were lying when you said he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons. There is nothing here that says he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons.

From your own evidence:

Quote:
Four years before President Biden shocked the nation with the pardon of his son Hunter, the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children before he left office in January 2021.


Sounds like this was a conspiracy theory you bought into.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.



Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh.     ::)


Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail.   ::)


What about this, Bobbi?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why would he be asking for a preemptive pardon if he's innocent?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:48pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Can you provide a link to where he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons, unless its not true and you are going to run away. (see I am learning)


It was widely reported at the time, but here is summary from Fox News,


Quote:
On Dec. 1, 2020, The New York Times ran the headline "Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani," alleging that the then-president was mulling "pre-emptive pardons" to Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump as well as his son-in-law Jared Kushner. The report even alleged that Trump was considering issuing pardons "for crimes they have not yet committed — essentially a prospective get-out-of-jail-free card."


There were multiple other reports, but it seems the New York Times was one of the first to make the claim.


So you were lying when you said he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons. There is nothing here that says he tried to issue pre-emptive pardons.

From your own evidence:
[quote] Four years before President Biden shocked the nation with the pardon of his son Hunter, the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children before he left office in January 2021.


Sounds like this was a conspiracy theory you bought into.
[/quote]

Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:55pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.


Your exact words were that Trump "tried and failed".

Trump never tried to give anyone a pre-emptive pardon, you just made that up, or you believed the conspiracy theory that the legacy media invented.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.



Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh.     ::)


Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail.   ::)


What about this, Bobbi?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why would he be asking for a preemptive pardon if he's innocent?

I'm curious.


Bobbi?

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.


Your exact words were that Trump "tried and failed".

Trump never tried to give anyone a pre-emptive pardon, you just made that up, or you believed the conspiracy theory that the legacy media invented.


Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:27pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 3:48pm:
Trump was reportedly involved in discussions about the possibility of issuing pre-emptive pardons. The speculation centred on who might be the recipients of such pardons, not that the discussions were taking place.

There is a nuanced distinction here, one I’m sure you simply overlooked. You wouldn’t be so disingenuous as to deliberately misrepresent someone’s statement, would you?

Mistakes happen, after all.

It’s intriguing that you would label the link as “evidence” when I never described it in such terms. You might want to be more cautious about how many cracks you let show in your mask, this is all starting to feel remarkably familiar.


Your exact words were that Trump "tried and failed".

Trump never tried to give anyone a pre-emptive pardon, you just made that up, or you believed the conspiracy theory that the legacy media invented.


Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


I took that stance from day one.

I had him pegged.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:36pm

Quote:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before?


Half the Trump team in 2020 were asking for this and it was based on the fact that they knew they were involved in crimes.

As far as I can see nobody is asking in 2024.

These preemptive pardons are a good thing because never before have we had an insane criminal
Non President threatening to put everyone he disagrees with in prison.

Trump will rule a combined autocracy and idiocracy.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Quote:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before?


Half the Trump team in 2020 were asking for this ...


Like this, you mean?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why is there no outage from the right over this?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Frank on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.



You stupid, spineless, Sad hypocrite! ( may I call you Sad?)

You did precisely that with the Trump tariffs, "as if they were already signed, sealed, and delivered."

There is absolutely no limit to the TDS spinelessness. None.

Sad. But predictable. You are not honest people, never have been.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


Na - Honest Joe, as straight as the day is long.

Trump convicted criminal. sexual assaulter, Bragged about multiple sexual assaults and accused of over 30 sexual assaults including by a 13 year old girl.

Stole hundreds of top secret documents. Any normal person would have been locked up for 1,000 years and the hand cuffs would have gone on within 2 days of it being reported. But not for Trump. Twice impeached the problem with this is that it should have been 5 times impeached. (bet he adds to his total this term).He just cannot help himself.

Biden in comparison is a choir boy.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Quote:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before?


Half the Trump team in 2020 were asking for this ...


Like this, you mean?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why is there no outage from the right over this?

I'm curious.


You wanna address this, Frank?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.



Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh.     ::)


Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail.   ::)


What about this, Bobbi?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why would he be asking for a preemptive pardon if he's innocent?

I'm curious.


It wasn't only Geatz there was a list of them. They all knew that they had been involved in illegal things.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


A crook is someone who engages in dishonest or illegal activities, especially those that involve fraud theft and deceit.

That's almost the definition of Trump.

I'm sorry mate, but he outshines Biden in every single one of those metrics.



Preemptive Pardons - don't make me laugh.     ::)


Pardons are for people who have been convicted of crimes and are rotting in jail.   ::)


What about this, Bobbi?

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Why would he be asking for a preemptive pardon if he's innocent?

I'm curious.


It wasn't only Geatz there was a list of them. They all knew that they had been involved in illegal things.


Why won't anyone here from the right address this issue?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:54pm

Quote:
Preemptive Pardons


When there is a malicious orange nutter foaming at the mouth and threatening to prosecute innocent people, why not ?

Seems both sensible and prudent.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 1:26pm:
Biden is a crook -
he is the worst crook that has ever sat in the President's chair -
no one else even comes close.


Na - Honest Joe, as straight as the day is long.

Trump convicted criminal. sexual assaulter, Bragged about multiple sexual assaults and accused of over 30 sexual assaults including by a 13 year old girl.

Stole hundreds of top secret documents. Any normal person would have been locked up for 1,000 years and the hand cuffs would have gone on within 2 days of it being reported. But not for Trump. Twice impeached the problem with this is that it should have been 5 times impeached. (bet he adds to his total this term).He just cannot help himself.

Biden in comparison is a choir boy.



Biden supplied the bombs that were used to kill over 44,000 people in Gaza -
over 30,000 of them, innocent women and children.
He's not a nice guy and you and all the other wombats here got sucked in by him.
Repent for the end is nigh.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:58pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.



You stupid, spineless, Sad hypocrite! ( may I call you Sad?)

You did precisely that with the Trump tariffs, "as if they were already signed, sealed, and delivered."


No, I didn't. I made it clear what the outcomes would be if he enacts his plan as sold to us during the campaign, on day one as he pledged to do.

There is no need to misrepresent what I said, it's all in black and white.

If you think I've said anything else, please quote it here.


Quote:
There is absolutely no limit to the TDS spinelessness. None.

Sad. But predictable. You are not honest people, never have been.


Funny, I was just thinking exactly the same about you, only I've got the receipts to prove it, your lies about what I've said in this very post to start with.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:03pm

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Frank?  Bobbi?  Thoughts?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm

"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?



That's irrelevant.

Biden is a crook.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?



That's irrelevant.


Matt Gaetz seeking a preemptive presidential pardon in a thread about preemptive pardons is irrelevant?

Lol    ;D

Come on Bobbi, address the issue.

Why would he ask for a preemptive pardon if he was innocent?

And why did he have a 10-year-old boy living in his house?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Karnal on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?



That's irrelevant.


Matt Gaetz seeking a preemptive presidential pardon in a thread about preemptive pardons is irrelevant?

Lol    ;D

Come on Bobbi, address the issue.

Why would he ask for a preemptive pardon if he was innocent?

And why did he have a 10-year-old boy living in his house?


From what you posted.

President Trump addressed this malicious rumor more than a year ago stating, ‘Congressman Matt Gaetz has never asked me for a pardon.’ Rep. Gaetz continues to stand by President Trump’s statement.”

I'm just saying this is what you posted.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:43pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?


;D

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?



That's irrelevant.


Matt Gaetz seeking a preemptive presidential pardon in a thread about preemptive pardons is irrelevant?

Lol    ;D

Come on Bobbi, address the issue.

Why would he ask for a preemptive pardon if he was innocent?

And why did he have a 10-year-old boy living in his house?



I don't care about what Matt Gaetz wants.

I care about what Joe Biden will do.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:44pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?


No I was highlighting SK evidence:
the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?



That's irrelevant.


Matt Gaetz seeking a preemptive presidential pardon in a thread about preemptive pardons is irrelevant?

Lol    ;D

Come on Bobbi, address the issue.

Why would he ask for a preemptive pardon if he was innocent?

And why did he have a 10-year-old boy living in his house?



I don't care about what Matt Gaetz wants.


10-year-old boys?   :-/

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Jasin on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm
Everything Peccary is fixated on in Politics is SEX.

The guy is a deviant creep.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:18pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
Everything Peccary is fixated on in Politics is SEX.


Everyone in the rapist's political circle is accused of sex crimes.

That why you like them so much?



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:18pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
Everything Peccary is fixated on in Politics is SEX.

The guy is a deviant creep.



yes - see here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664194725/757#757

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:09pm:
"An aide to former President Donald Trump testified to the House Select Committee investigating January 6 that GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida sought a preemptive presidential pardon."

Anyone?



That's irrelevant.


Matt Gaetz seeking a preemptive presidential pardon in a thread about preemptive pardons is irrelevant?

Lol    ;D

Come on Bobbi, address the issue.

Why would he ask for a preemptive pardon if he was innocent?

And why did he have a 10-year-old boy living in his house?



I don't care about what Matt Gaetz wants.


Does he want 10-year old boys, Bobbi?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Jasin on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
Everything Peccary is fixated on in Politics is SEX.

The guy is a deviant creep.



yes - see here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664194725/757#757


He's just like AiA.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:27pm

How did he "adopt" a 10-year-old child with no adoption papers?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:29pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
Everything Peccary is fixated on in Politics is SEX.

The guy is a deviant creep.



yes - see here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664194725/757#757


He's just like AiA.



Would you feel safe in a communal shower
with either of those characters?

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:29pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
Everything Peccary is fixated on in Politics is SEX.

The guy is a deviant creep.



yes - see here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664194725/757#757


He's just like AiA.



Would you feel safe in a communal shower
with either of those characters?


You have communal showers often, do you Bobbi?

With these guys?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:37pm

"The Justice Department is investigating allegations that Gaetz paid for sex, paid for women to travel across state lines to have sex and had a sexual relationship with a minor."



Gaetz sought pardon from Trump over DOJ probe into sex trafficking allegations: report

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:39pm

Greggy is spam posting the picture of a child.   :o

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:27pm:
How did he "adopt" a 10-year-old child with no adoption papers?



Firstly he was 12 when Gatez who was dating his older sister took care of Nestor as his mother had just died of breast cancer.

What a lucky break for you that this poor boys mother died of cancer and gave you the opportunity to indulge in your sexual fantasies.

This is one sick place when a boy whose mother died of cancer and he is taken care of by someone and this board is the place where you can make sick and disgusting posts about sexual fantasies on the back of his tragic circumstances. Your god must be proud of you.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:39pm:
Greggy is spam posting the picture of a child.   :o


What's Gaetz doing with that child?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:45pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:27pm:
How did he "adopt" a 10-year-old child with no adoption papers?



Firstly he was 12 when ...


Ah!

12 is okay, but not 10?

Thanks for clearing that up.



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:49pm


Greggy is spam posting the picture of a child.        :o

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm

Matt Gaetz Was Only Lawmaker To Vote Against Human Trafficking Bill

Is Leroy okay with this, as long as the children are 12 and not 10?

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:27pm:
How did he "adopt" a 10-year-old child with no adoption papers?



Firstly he was 12 when ...


Ah!

12 is okay, but not 10?

Thanks for clearing that up.



Thats OK, so how proud is your god, I bet he is thrilled about you living your sexual fantasies out on the grave of a woman no less.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:52pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:27pm:
How did he "adopt" a 10-year-old child with no adoption papers?



Firstly he was 12 when ...


Ah!

12 is okay, but not 10?

Thanks for clearing that up.



Thats OK, ...


12 is okay?

Matt Gaetz Was Only Lawmaker To Vote Against Human Trafficking Bill

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Matt Gaetz Was Only Lawmaker To Vote Against Human Trafficking Bill

Is Leroy okay with this, as long as the children are 12 and not 10?


Well I'm in two minds. But I don't get any sexual gratification from it and I feel for the poor boy who lost his mother, yeah I just can't get any sexual gratification from it, it must be the environment I was bought up in.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:57pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Matt Gaetz Was Only Lawmaker To Vote Against Human Trafficking Bill

Is Leroy okay with this, as long as the children are 12 and not 10?


Well I'm in two minds. But I don't get any sexual gratification from it and I feel for the poor boy who lost his mother, yeah I just can't get any sexual gratification from it, it must be the environment I was bought up in.


Do you think Matt Gaetz - the guy investigated for child sex trafficking - got any sexual gratification from it?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:06pm

Matt Gaetz - under investigation for child sex trafficking:

"Your correspondence of September 4 asks whether I have engaged in sexual activity with any individual under 18. The answer to this question is unequivocally NO."

No individuals? Hmm, okay.

What about groups - has Matt Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with any groups of people under 18?



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:57pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Matt Gaetz Was Only Lawmaker To Vote Against Human Trafficking Bill

Is Leroy okay with this, as long as the children are 12 and not 10?


Well I'm in two minds. But I don't get any sexual gratification from it and I feel for the poor boy who lost his mother, yeah I just can't get any sexual gratification from it, it must be the environment I was bought up in.


Do you think Matt Gaetz - the guy investigated for child sex trafficking - got any sexual gratification from it?


I don't think about things like that, that would be something a person who is into child porn thinks about.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:06pm:
Matt Gaetz - under investigation for child sex trafficking:

"Your correspondence of September 4 asks whether I have engaged in sexual activity with any individual under 18. The answer to this question is unequivocally NO."

No individuals? Hmm, okay.

What about groups - has Matt Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with any groups of people under 18?



And the investigation has ended clearing Gatez of any crimes, but there still will be people obsessed about child porn to keep fantasising over it.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?


No I was highlighting SK evidence:
the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children


Yes they did, but it doesn't change the fact that he was trying to implement preemptive pardons, had discussions with his administration on how to do it and was told they likely wouldn't hold up against legal scrutiny and wasn't able to implement them in the end.

You want to focus on all the side issues because you can't escape that fact.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:14pm

Where are the adoption papers?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm
I think you should be aware of this.

Grooming and procuring of children over the internet are crimes that are investigated by the police. Online child sexual exploitation, including online grooming and inappropriate contact, should be reported to the Australian Centre to Counter Child Exploitation (ACCCE). Read the eSafeKids blog about reporting inappropriate online contact with children her

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:23pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:12pm:
Yes they did, but it doesn't change the fact that he was trying to implement preemptive pardons, had discussions with his administration on how to do it and was told they likely wouldn't hold up against legal scrutiny and wasn't able to implement them in the end.

You want to focus on all the side issues because you can't escape that fact.


The only fact I'm focusing on is the one where you said Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons.

Trump never tried to issue pre-emptive pardons and I called you out on it. You responded with links that proved my point.



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:30pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
I think you should be aware of this. ...


I think you should be aware of this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
I think you should be aware of this. ...


I think you should be aware of this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."


And this:

"The Republicans Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks sought a blanket pardon of members of Congress involved in Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden through lies about electoral fraud, the House January 6 committee revealed on Thursday.

"A witness said Andy Biggs of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania also contacted the White House about securing pardons. The same witness, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, said she heard Marjorie Taylor Greene, an extremist from Georgia, wanted a pardon too."

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
I think you should be aware of this. ...


I think you should be aware of this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."


And this:

"The Republicans Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks sought a blanket pardon of members of Congress involved in Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden through lies about electoral fraud, the House January 6 committee revealed on Thursday.

"A witness said Andy Biggs of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania also contacted the White House about securing pardons. The same witness, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, said she heard Marjorie Taylor Greene, an extremist from Georgia, wanted a pardon too."


And this:

"See, Matt Gaetz claims that Nestor is his adopted son. There are no adoption papers to support this claim, and Nestor has a father who is alive and well and hasn’t given his son up for adoption. Yet, no one has truly questioned the nature of this adoptive relationship that doesn’t include an actual adoption. Never forget that we only learned of Nestor’s existence after a heated exchange between Gaetz and Democratic Congressman Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, during a hearing on the Justice in Police Act, in June of 2020."

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Frank on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
I think you should be aware of this. ...


I think you should be aware of this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."


And this:

"The Republicans Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks sought a blanket pardon of members of Congress involved in Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden through lies about electoral fraud, the House January 6 committee revealed on Thursday.

"A witness said Andy Biggs of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania also contacted the White House about securing pardons. The same witness, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, said she heard Marjorie Taylor Greene, an extremist from Georgia, wanted a pardon too."

You are a filthy child porn obsessive yourself, turd.

Why?

Explain your mania, repulsive creep.



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:46pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
I think you should be aware of this. ...


I think you should be aware of this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."


And this:

"The Republicans Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks sought a blanket pardon of members of Congress involved in Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden through lies about electoral fraud, the House January 6 committee revealed on Thursday.

"A witness said Andy Biggs of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania also contacted the White House about securing pardons. The same witness, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, said she heard Marjorie Taylor Greene, an extremist from Georgia, wanted a pardon too."

You are a filthy child porn obsessive yourself, turd.

Why?

Explain your mania, repulsive creep.


Explain this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Frank on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
I think you should be aware of this. ...


I think you should be aware of this:

"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."


And this:

"The Republicans Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks sought a blanket pardon of members of Congress involved in Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden through lies about electoral fraud, the House January 6 committee revealed on Thursday.

"A witness said Andy Biggs of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania also contacted the White House about securing pardons. The same witness, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, said she heard Marjorie Taylor Greene, an extremist from Georgia, wanted a pardon too."


And this:

"See, Matt Gaetz claims that Nestor is his adopted son. There are no adoption papers to support this claim, and Nestor has a father who is alive and well and hasn’t given his son up for adoption. Yet, no one has truly questioned the nature of this adoptive relationship that doesn’t include an actual adoption. Never forget that we only learned of Nestor’s existence after a heated exchange between Gaetz and Democratic Congressman Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, during a hearing on the Justice in Police Act, in June of 2020."

If the police ever looked at your computer, you'd be in the slammer pronto.

Just look at what you have posted here over the years. Disgusting creep



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Frank on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:50pm
Dirty creep

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:51pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.



You stupid, spineless, Sad hypocrite! ( may I call you Sad?)

You did precisely that with the Trump tariffs, "as if they were already signed, sealed, and delivered."

There is absolutely no limit to the TDS spinelessness. None.

Sad. But predictable. You are not honest people, never have been.



Quote:
no limit to the TDS


Not sure that TDS is real nobody is as deranged as Trump, there is no indication of it being contagious.
That Trump is deranged is unarguable but it appears to be limited to him.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:52pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
Dirty creep


Gaetz?

"See, Matt Gaetz claims that Nestor is his adopted son. There are no adoption papers to support this claim, and Nestor has a father who is alive and well and hasn’t given his son up for adoption. Yet, no one has truly questioned the nature of this adoptive relationship that doesn’t include an actual adoption. Never forget that we only learned of Nestor’s existence after a heated exchange between Gaetz and Democratic Congressman Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, during a hearing on the Justice in Police Act, in June of 2020."

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:52pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
Dirty creep


You may want to re think that signature block.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Dnarever on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:52pm
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Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:52pm

"The Republicans Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks sought a blanket pardon of members of Congress involved in Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden through lies about electoral fraud, the House January 6 committee revealed on Thursday.

"A witness said Andy Biggs of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania also contacted the White House about securing pardons. The same witness, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, said she heard Marjorie Taylor Greene, an extremist from Georgia, wanted a pardon too."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-eclUz-RYI

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Frank on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:51pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.



You stupid, spineless, Sad hypocrite! ( may I call you Sad?)

You did precisely that with the Trump tariffs, "as if they were already signed, sealed, and delivered."

There is absolutely no limit to the TDS spinelessness. None.

Sad. But predictable. You are not honest people, never have been.



Quote:
no limit to the TDS


Not sure that TDS is real nobody is as deranged as Trump, there is no indication of it being contagious.
That Trump is deranged is unarguable but it appears to be limited to him.

Oh, not YOU, shitfer, not YOU...


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:59pm

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:51pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.



You stupid, spineless, Sad hypocrite! ( may I call you Sad?)

You did precisely that with the Trump tariffs, "as if they were already signed, sealed, and delivered."

There is absolutely no limit to the TDS spinelessness. None.

Sad. But predictable. You are not honest people, never have been.



Quote:
no limit to the TDS


Not sure that TDS is real nobody is as deranged as Trump, there is no indication of it being contagious.
That Trump is deranged is unarguable but it appears to be limited to him.

Oh, not YOU, shitfer, not YOU...


https://youtu.be/2-eclUz-RYI

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:06pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Why would innocent people ask for something that no one has ever asked for before?


"In 2022 Matt Gaetz told a former White House aide that he was seeking a preemptive pardon from Trump during the Justice Department’s probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws."

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Bobby. on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:12pm
I'm not saying that Greggy is a shirt lifter - but he could be:


Jump to 5:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULFMp4jKBo

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:13pm

Matt Gaetz stunned Washington four years ago when the then-bachelor Florida congressman suddenly revealed he was living with a Cuban immigrant teenager named Nestor whom he called his 'son'.

He never formally adopted the boy that he took in as a 12-year-old when he arrived in the U.S. in 2014 after the death of his mother, but said their relationship was defined 'by love, not paperwork.'

But now questions have been raised anew about Nestor Galban, 23, an Air Force 1st Class Airman now based at Ramstein Air Force base in Germany after allegations emerged that Gaetz used his unofficial son's PayPal account to pay women for 'sexual favors.'

Two women interviewed by the House Ethics Committee about Gaetz testified that he paid them directly and repeatedly via Venmo transactions 'for sex,' their attorney said.



Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Karnal on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:14pm:
Where are the adoption papers?



How cute. Matt gave his boy love beads.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Karnal on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:59pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?


No I was highlighting SK evidence:
the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children


Toosh Magroosh. Have you got a link for that?

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:00pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:14pm:
Where are the adoption papers?



How cute. Matt gave his boy love beads.


Maybe even a pearl necklace?


Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Leroy on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:07pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:59pm:
Toosh Magroosh. Have you got a link for that?

Thaa was from the link you posted, you did read the link you posted didn't you.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:37pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:59pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?


No I was highlighting SK evidence:
the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children


Toosh Magroosh. Have you got a link for that?



He has links to many things   ;)

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Karnal on Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:48pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:59pm:
Toosh Magroosh. Have you got a link for that?

Thaa was from the link you posted, you did read the link you posted didn't you.


Of course not. Why would I need to read anything?

Sources are for losers and geeks. You only ask for links to trick people. If you really need a link, you do a quick Google and post a paywalled article with a headline. If anyone asks, tell them to do their own Google search. How do I know?

You said.

Title: Re: Preemptive Pardons
Post by Karnal on Dec 18th, 2024 at 12:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 10:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 9:59pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
Au contraire, he was actively trying to make it happen, starting with the discussion to assess its feasibility. Turns out, the idea would crumble under the weight of legal scrutiny, so it couldn’t be realised.

And let's not forget the precedent is laid bare in this thread.

The initial claim?

"The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump's Crosshairs."

The predictable outrage brigade's response, to condemn Biden as if the pardons were already signed, sealed, and delivered.

But when Trump entertains the idea, it’s mere intellectual musing. When Biden considers it, suddenly he’s transformed into a mafia don?

If you can’t even manage consistency in your manufactured outrage, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.


So when you say Trump tried and failed to issue pre-emptive pardons you were just lying.

Don't worry you won't have to pay me $15mil for lying I was just pointing it out.


Excuse I, Leroy, are you asking for evidence?

Strange. Sad's just expressing a fact, dear. Why don't you just Google it?


No I was highlighting SK evidence:
the legacy media wildly theorized that President-elect Donald Trump would pardon his own children


Toosh Magroosh. Have you got a link for that?



He has links to many things   ;)


I can imagine. Still, you'd hope he doesn't have any links to child sex rings. You know, like Matt, Jeff, Ghislaine and the big fella's closest friends.

Mr Trump wishes her well. Mr Trump wishes everybody well. He'd wish you well too, if you were here -there.

You?

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