America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world.

But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record.

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today.

And there will be a lot more sick and dead people.

But, don't just take my word for it.

'Things will start to topple': Report outlines possible public health disaster under Trump


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A new report from NPR outlines just how quickly public health in the United States could unravel should anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. be confirmed to run the Health and Human Services Department. NPR spoke with several public health experts who feared that RFK Jr.'s appointment as the nation's top health official could "cause renewed, deadly epidemics of measles, whooping cough, meningitis, or even polio." James Hodge, a public health law expert at Arizona State University's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, said that putting Kennedy in charge of HHS would be a sea change in public health policy -- and not for the better.

Quote:

"The litany of things that will start to topple is profound," he said. "We're going to experience a seminal change in vaccine law and policy." Lawrence Gostin, a professor of public health law at Georgetown University, was even more blunt about the impact of Kennedy's appointment and declared, "He's going to make America sick again."

Yes, he most certainly will. The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Americans' health.

Carl D wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:50am:

By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today.

Trump has the concept of a plan.

He'll be releasing the plan any day now   ;D

You have to be a colossal idiot to want to pull the polio vaccine.

Bad enough way too many irresponsible parents no longer vaccinate their children and measles is, again, killing children. Now withdraw the polio vaccine???

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

You have to be a colossal idiot to want to pull the polio vaccine.

Hard to find bigger idiots than these two:

https://thenationaldesk.com/resources/media2/16x9/3955/986/0x209/90/306be6ab-d345-45d3-a92b-765cc8a3b485-AP24237059532645.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today. Trump has the concept of a plan. He'll be releasing the plan any day now   ;D

Must be an incredibly detailed concept of a plan - he's been working on it since before he won office the first time!  ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:07am: Carl D wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today. Trump has the concept of a plan. He'll be releasing the plan any day now   ;D Must be an incredibly detailed concept of a plan - he's been working on it since before he won office the first time!  ;D ;D ;D

Indeed.

For eight long years he's been saying that he'll release his detailed health care plan in ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA

Nothing could be worst than the experts that run the system now. Americans have the worst system and the people are in the worst health.

People are fighting to save a system that is terrible and the peoples health is amongst the worst in any country.

I dont think the people have been as unhealthy in any time in history than they are now.

When RoevWade was overturned I looked at maternal death rates.

Alabama—48/100K births

Down to

New York—10 deaths/100K births.

Australia—5 deaths/100K births.

Since I have read of horror cases:

1. A woman’s water broke—fetus was at a stage before it had developed lungs so it died. A D&C should have been done but no, after 6 weeks, so the dead fetus was left in the womb until sepsis put the mother’s life in danger and the dead body was removed from the woman’s uterus.

2. Same with partial miscarriages. Not only was the same scenario as above the woman was quizzed as if she had tried to abort the fetus.

On and on it goes. Will try to find current maternal death rates, they will be higher.

Panther enthused “over 100,000 babys’ lives saved!” Unwanted children, be a huge juvenile delinquency starting in 10 years time!

And some of the mothers likely are now in a desperate financial situation—with a baby she likely would lose her job(s) so what sort of home can she provide for her unwanted child?

Interesting!


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Here are some recent birth rate statistics for the United States: 2024 The birth rate in the United States in 2024 is 12.009 births per 1,000 people, a 0.12% decline from 2023. 2023 The birth rate in the United States in 2023 was 12.023 births per 1,000 people, a 0.09% increase from 2022.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm

So it seems that women have managed contraception/birth control/abortion to overcome the evil anti-abortion laws.

What could possibly go wrong?

https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/politics-dr_oz-quack-witch_doctor-doctors-snake_oil-EC335433_low.jpg

FACT SHEET: Dr. Mehmet Oz Is A Quack Grifter Unqualified To Administer Health Care For Over 160 Million Americans

The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!!

:-? :-? :-?

The very people that provided the shorter life span, sicker lives last ranked health system seem to think they are the best to judge who is qualified. I think they are lacking in irony.


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“The US is failing one of its principal obligations as a nation: to protect the health and welfare of its people,” said Joseph Betancourt, MD, president of The Commonwealth Fund, in a statement.2 “The status quo—continually spending the most and getting the least for our health care dollars—is not sustainable. It isn’t about lack of resources—it’s clearly about how they are being spent. Too many Americans are living shorter, sicker lives because of this failure. We need to build a health system that is affordable and that works for everyone. It’s past time that we step up to this challenge.” https://www.ajmc.com/view/us-health-care-system-ranks-last-overall-among-other-high-income-countries

Carl D wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:50am:

By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today. And there will be a lot more sick and dead people. But, don't just take my word for it. 'Things will start to topple': Report outlines possible public health disaster under Trump Quote: A new report from NPR outlines just how quickly public health in the United States could unravel should anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. be confirmed to run the Health and Human Services Department. NPR spoke with several public health experts who feared that RFK Jr.'s appointment as the nation's top health official could "cause renewed, deadly epidemics of measles, whooping cough, meningitis, or even polio." James Hodge, a public health law expert at Arizona State University's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, said that putting Kennedy in charge of HHS would be a sea change in public health policy -- and not for the better. [quote]"The litany of things that will start to topple is profound," he said. "We're going to experience a seminal change in vaccine law and policy." Lawrence Gostin, a professor of public health law at Georgetown University, was even more blunt about the impact of Kennedy's appointment and declared, "He's going to make America sick again."

Yes, he most certainly will. The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Americans' health.
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Leroy may want a link, Carl. Do you want to post him one?

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 12:20pm:

Nothing could be worst than the experts that run the system now. Americans have the worst system and the people are in the worst health. People are fighting to save a system that is terrible and the peoples health is amongst the worst in any country. I dont think the people have been as unhealthy in any time in history than they are now.

I know, right?But you wait. On Jan 20, you'll be saying how marvellous the health system is.

Nothing to see here, leftards, you'll say. How utterly awesome.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today. And there will be a lot more sick and dead people. But, don't just take my word for it. 'Things will start to topple': Report outlines possible public health disaster under Trump Quote: A new report from NPR outlines just how quickly public health in the United States could unravel should anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. be confirmed to run the Health and Human Services Department. NPR spoke with several public health experts who feared that RFK Jr.'s appointment as the nation's top health official could "cause renewed, deadly epidemics of measles, whooping cough, meningitis, or even polio." James Hodge, a public health law expert at Arizona State University's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, said that putting Kennedy in charge of HHS would be a sea change in public health policy -- and not for the better. [quote]"The litany of things that will start to topple is profound," he said. "We're going to experience a seminal change in vaccine law and policy." Lawrence Gostin, a professor of public health law at Georgetown University, was even more blunt about the impact of Kennedy's appointment and declared, "He's going to make America sick again." Yes, he most certainly will. The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Americans' health.

Leroy may want a link, Carl. Do you want to post him one? [/quote]

Surely Leroy knows how to Google things   :-/

Or, is he too busy obsessing over CP and Frank's obsession with Trump & paedophilia?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

What could possibly go wrong? https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/politics-dr_oz-quack-witch_doctor-doctors-snake_oil-EC335433_low.jpg FACT SHEET: Dr. Mehmet Oz Is A Quack Grifter Unqualified To Administer Health Care For Over 160 Million Americans

You mean Dr Oz, as seen on TV, on Oprah?

I can't possibly imagine, Greggery. Mind you, there's a definite theme. What do all of DL's cabinet picks have in common?

Apart from their shared hatred of Oprah. If I was her, I'd be expecting a visit in the middle of the night. Let's hope her friend Gail manages to put a nighty on in time, eh?

We wouldn't want to see them do their perp walks naked on live TV, now would we?

WITCH HUNT !!!

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:22pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system.

Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying.

On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL.

You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:10pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:50am: By the time Trump and RFK Jr. finish with America's so called healthcare system it will be at least twice as bad as it is today. And there will be a lot more sick and dead people. But, don't just take my word for it. 'Things will start to topple': Report outlines possible public health disaster under Trump Quote: A new report from NPR outlines just how quickly public health in the United States could unravel should anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. be confirmed to run the Health and Human Services Department. NPR spoke with several public health experts who feared that RFK Jr.'s appointment as the nation's top health official could "cause renewed, deadly epidemics of measles, whooping cough, meningitis, or even polio." James Hodge, a public health law expert at Arizona State University's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, said that putting Kennedy in charge of HHS would be a sea change in public health policy -- and not for the better. [quote]"The litany of things that will start to topple is profound," he said. "We're going to experience a seminal change in vaccine law and policy." Lawrence Gostin, a professor of public health law at Georgetown University, was even more blunt about the impact of Kennedy's appointment and declared, "He's going to make America sick again." Yes, he most certainly will. The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for Americans' health. Leroy may want a link, Carl. Do you want to post him one?

Surely Leroy knows how to Google things   :-/

Or, is he too busy obsessing over CP and Frank's obsession with Trump & paedophilia?

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Is that so? Well, I'm offended.

I do hope Leroy manages to talk Frank around. The last thing we want to see is more kiddies getting raped on camera, right?

Despicable stuff. I'd advise Frank to sneak any dirty films into his neighbour's bin on rubbish night.

The last thing we need in our country is yet another naughty old sex tourist.

I trust this puts the matter to rest.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!!

The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....
America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!! graft.
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graft3 = = bribery and other corrupt measures pursued for gain in politics or business.


A 'Free market',  .....is a healthy place to do business.   [.....where there are competitors]

But where there is [hidden] graft and [hidden] monopolistic practices, those practices can only really be for the benefit a single party.


monopoly = = the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.       a company or group having a monopoly, or a commodity or service controlled by one.

Yadda wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 11:03pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 3:45pm: The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs....America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!! The American system is based on user pays through private insurance....Universal health care is considered Socialism and Pharma companies oppose any PBS or similar programs.... America does not really care if people die as long as there is a profit!!! graft. [fixed] graft3 = = bribery and other corrupt measures pursued for gain in politics or business. A 'Free market',  .....is a healthy place to do business.   [.....where there are competitors] But where there is [hidden] graft and [hidden] monopolistic practices, those practices can only really be for the benefit a single party. monopoly = = the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.       a company or group having a monopoly, or a commodity or service controlled by one.

I agree, Y. There's a company in Chi-na with the lion's share of the MAGA cap business.

And don't get me started on Jared and Ivanka. What with Operation Warp Speed, Jared's Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds and Ivanka's Chinese voting machine parents, the game's stitched up.

Despicable stuff.

I blame the billionaire elites. Imagine what the place would be like without them. It's easy if you try, no?

No fake cures, vitamin supplements, erection enhancers or weird scientific experiments on lungs.

Sure, it could put Alex Jones out of business, but I do feel it's the right thing to do.

As for Elon, I say we let bygones be bygones. Sure he runs $13 bil worth of US federal satellite contracts. Come the end of his term, he'll own a newly privatized NASA.

Not bad for a day's work at the Department Of Government Efficiency, no?

DEEP STATE !!!

May I ask a question?

Have any of you actually lived in America and used their health services?

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system. Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying. On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL. You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay?

All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 11:54pm:

May I ask a question? Have any of you actually lived in America and used their health services?

I don't think you will find any here.

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 11:54pm:

May I ask a question? Have any of you actually lived in America and used their health services?

Never ever, Big Daves. Who could afford to? I know Yanks who buy their pills from vets because their dogs get a better deal on drugs. 

Over in America, the corporates run the joint. The politicians sell the country to the corporates for their campaign funds. Big Tech, big pharma, big DRILL BABY DRILL.

Big Tech and Pharma bought a job in the incoming administration, cooking the books for cheap government contracts. Elon the tech guy, Ramaswami the drug guru, it's a match made in DOGE heaven. 

The oil industry's been sold energy policy for a billion in political donations. All the others on the big fella's team are Fox News talent, bought, sold and paid for by you-know-who.

All of it's on the level. The big fella announced it in public. Rupert, he said, I know you're watching. Elon, he said, get over here.

Rupert was indeed watching. Elon bounced on and delivered his Dark MAGA routine. Big oil just yawned. With their global contracts fixed for years, it hardly matters who's in power. They paid their bil anyway - it was worth it just to shut him up for five minutes.

Once all the applause has wound down, the big fella will pretend he said no such thing. The elites? He'll say. Never heard of them. We're just doing it for the kids.

Then, right on cue, the sycophants and suckholes will echo the message. Like an army of ants, out they'll go, marching in line on their pheromone trails, their antennae buzzing like the frantic drones they are. Ceaseless, relentless, they can clear a rainforest floor in minutes, never once pausing to fathom what on earth they're up to, but do you know?

We will. We'll know exactly what they're doing. The only question I have for you is this:

Will you?

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:28am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system. Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying. On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL. You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay? All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience.

Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor?

After that, how much do you pay for your meds?

And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance?

Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system.

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

https://www.creativefabrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/18/Retard-42118750-1.png

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 11:22pm:

I agree, Y. There's a company in Chi-na with the lion's share of the MAGA cap business. And don't get me started on Jared and Ivanka. What with Operation Warp Speed, Jared's Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds and Ivanka's Chinese voting machine parents, the game's stitched up. Despicable stuff. I blame the billionaire elites. Imagine what the place would be like without them. It's easy if you try, no? No fake cures, vitamin supplements, erection enhancers or weird scientific experiments on lungs. Sure, it could put Alex Jones out of business, but I do feel it's the right thing to do. As for Elon, I say we let bygones be bygones. Sure he runs $13 bil worth of US federal satellite contracts. Come the end of his term, he'll own a newly privatized NASA. Not bad for a day's work at the Department Of Government Efficiency, no? DEEP STATE !!!

Karnal,

You are closely related to Kamala Harris, right ?

Come on, don't deny it !




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Chi-na MAGA cap business. Jared Ivanka. What with Operation Warp Speed, Saudi Sovereign Wealth Funds and Ivanka's Chinese voting machine parents, the game's stitched up. Despicable stuff. billionaire elites. Imagine........It's easy if you try, no? fake cures, vitamin supplements, erection enhancers or weird scientific experiments on lungs. Alex Jones Elon, let bygones be bygones. $13 bil worth of US federal satellite contracts. a newly privatized NASA. the Department Of Government Efficiency, no? DEEP STATE !!!

Karnal,

Are you thinking about running for 'Pres' in 28 ?

;D

Leroy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid.

Good.

Their system is a dysfunctional mess. Yet both he and Trump are operating from within the very party responsible for creating and perpetuating that chaos. If RFK Jr. starts pushing for changes that genuinely threaten their objectives, his tenure will be short-lived.

It's deeply frustrating because, while the man is undoubtedly a lunatic, he happens to be correct about some health issues.

That said, his body count, fueled by the consequences of his reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, likely surpasses even the most exaggerated claims about the Clintons.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:47am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Good. Their system is a dysfunctional mess. Yet both he and Trump are operating from within the very party responsible for creating and perpetuating that chaos. If RFK Jr. starts pushing for changes that genuinely threaten their objectives, his tenure will be short-lived. It's deeply frustrating because, while the man is undoubtedly a lunatic, he happens to be correct about some health issues. That said, his body count, fueled by the consequences of his reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, likely surpasses even the most exaggerated claims about the Clintons.

What improvements were made in the last four years under Biden and Harris. Have they put the health system on the path to solve the problems. What exactly did they do about the condition of the health problems in communities?.

When Trump won in 2016 there were cries that he would destroy the country, he would start WW3, he was working for Putin and on it went. Nothing happened, he ran the country and everything went just fine. He created jobs, unemployment went down, wages went up , people were seeing improvement.

I don't think its wise to keep predicting what is going to happen especially after getting it wrong so many times. (not you but generally)

Leroy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:24am:

What improvements were made in the last four years under Biden and Harris.

This is by no means a complete list, but I don't believe your question to be one seeking a legitimate answer by the way you've framed it so I won't waste more time putting a complete list together.  But anyway:

Strengthening the Affordable Care Act via the American Rescue Plan Act.

Executive Order 14070: Signed in April 2022, this order directed federal agencies to expand affordable coverage, improve quality, and strengthen benefits under the ACA.

Reducing Prescription Drug Costs via the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

Expanding Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program.

Coverage of Traditional Health Practices: The Biden administration approved amendments allowing Medicaid and CHIP to cover traditional health practices provided by Indian Health Service facilities, Tribal facilities, and urban Indian organisations.

Mental Health Parity Rule: In September 2024, the administration finalized a rule ensuring that mental health care coverage for approximately 175 million Americans is on par with physical health care coverage, aiming to lower costs and improve access to mental health and substance use care.

Rural Health Funding: In September 2024, the administration announced a $75 million investment to support healthcare services in rural America, addressing disparities in access and quality of care.


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When Trump won in 2016 there were cries that he would destroy the country, he would start WW3, he was working for Putin and on it went. Nothing happened, he ran the country and everything went just fine. He created jobs, unemployment went down, wages went up , people were seeing improvement.

Off topic, nothing to do with healthcare.


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I don't think its wise to keep predicting what is going to happen especially after getting it wrong so many times. (not you but generally)

If you'd like to talk about healthcare predictions, it was predicted for Trump's first term given his campaign rhetoric that his changes to the healthcare system would cause the loss of coverage for millions, result in higher costs for vulnerable populations, create a destabilisation of insurance markets and increase health disparities.

These predictions all came true.

And now, all we know about his plans for his second term is that he has "concepts of a plan".

Given his track record, the lunatic he's put in a prominent health role and the total lack of a plan, the outlook is grim.

But the whole point was, if RFK Jr does anything to actually improve the system that puts the current status quo at risk, which is a necessity to actually fix it, Trump and the Republicans are the wrong banner to do this under.

They will stop him or even just remove him from the role quick smart.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 11:24am: What improvements were made in the last four years under Biden and Harris. This is by no means a complete list, but I don't believe your question to be one seeking a legitimate answer by the way you've framed it so I won't waste more time putting a complete list together.  But anyway: Strengthening the Affordable Care Act via the American Rescue Plan Act. Executive Order 14070: Signed in April 2022, this order directed federal agencies to expand affordable coverage, improve quality, and strengthen benefits under the ACA. Reducing Prescription Drug Costs via the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. Expanding Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program. Coverage of Traditional Health Practices: The Biden administration approved amendments allowing Medicaid and CHIP to cover traditional health practices provided by Indian Health Service facilities, Tribal facilities, and urban Indian organisations. Mental Health Parity Rule: In September 2024, the administration finalized a rule ensuring that mental health care coverage for approximately 175 million Americans is on par with physical health care coverage, aiming to lower costs and improve access to mental health and substance use care. Rural Health Funding: In September 2024, the administration announced a $75 million investment to support healthcare services in rural America, addressing disparities in access and quality of care. Quote: When Trump won in 2016 there were cries that he would destroy the country, he would start WW3, he was working for Putin and on it went. Nothing happened, he ran the country and everything went just fine. He created jobs, unemployment went down, wages went up , people were seeing improvement. Off topic, nothing to do with healthcare. [quote]I don't think its wise to keep predicting what is going to happen especially after getting it wrong so many times. (not you but generally)

If you'd like to talk about healthcare predictions, it was predicted for Trump's first term given his campaign rhetoric that his changes to the healthcare system would cause the loss of coverage for millions, result in higher costs for vulnerable populations, create a destabilisation of insurance markets and increase health disparities.

These predictions all came true.

And now, all we know about his plans for his second term is that he has "concepts of a plan".

Given his track record, the lunatic he's put in a prominent health role and the total lack of a plan, the outlook is grim.

But the whole point was, if RFK Jr does anything to actually improve the system that puts the current status quo at risk, which is a necessity to actually fix it, Trump and the Republicans are the wrong banner to do this under.

They will stop him or even just remove him from the role quick smart.[/quote]

You are 100% correct Mr Roo!!!

:) :) :)

https://theconversation.com/health-care-under-harris-versus-trump-a-public-health-historian-sizes-up-their-records-237442

one of the problems with the american system is that obama made a law under obamacare that health insurers can only make 15 % profit on their business.

if you are limited to a certain % , then the only way to "grow profits" (which is what business will always do)  is to "do more proceedures , more admissions, more overservicing'

this leads to higher premiums and to more profit

as an example, in oz, we do 2nd yearly poo sampling to check for bowel cancer. cost about $30 a screen

american health insurers want 2nd yearly colonoscopies to check for bowel cancer. cost about $1500 a screen


ozempic the new wonder weight loss drug is 6 x the cost in america as in europe
a preventative asthma puffer is 6 x the cost as in canada (hence why americans go to canada to get meds)

but the perverse incentive from obamacare is that by paying out all these "higher prices" under health insurance, the pie of costs grows and grows and the 15 % does not grow but profits grow,

hopefully trump sorts this out, he is a businessman after all

also JFK, dr mark hyman, dr kacey means are all HUGE on primary care, nutrition, preventative health, exercise and stopping the over servicing in proceedures and in medications to fix every problem. so they may be able to revers the trend

even ozempic is going to cost americans a trillion a year if the current system continues into next year. and it looks like it will be a lifelong treatment

far better to get people to hit the gym, eat fruit and cancel the drug

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

one of the problems with the american system is that obama ........

Aww, please...

The US health system has been a sick joke (no pun intended) since successive administrations started winding back Johnson's Medicare.

The Reagan Administration wanked it a bit by passing a law that forced hospitals to accept and treat any patient regardless of insurance or financial status. Then forgot about it... the upshot is that people present at an ER with, say, a bad cold instead of paying through the nose for a GP.

Health insurance companies regularly either refuse to pay medical expenses or change the cover rules on the fly to justify denying a claim.

For someone who can afford a lawyer, the game to play is when health insurance companies refuse to pay for treatment and the hospital comes to you for the money, DO NOT PAY!

Have your lawyer refer them back to the company. With a bit of luck, the hospital will get the point—no one is going to pay.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:24pm: one of the problems with the american system is that obama ........ Aww, please... The US health system has been a sick joke (no pun intended) since successive administrations started winding back Johnson's Medicare. The Reagan Administration wanked it a bit by passing a law that forced hospitals to accept and treat any patient regardless of insurance or financial status. Then forgot about it... the upshot is that people present at an ER with, say, a bad cold instead of paying through the nose for a GP. Health insurance companies regularly either refuse to pay medical expenses or change the cover rules on the fly to justify denying a claim. For someone who can afford a lawyer, the game to play is when health insurance companies refuse to pay for treatment and the hospital comes to you for the money, DO NOT PAY! Have your lawyer refer them back to the company. With a bit of luck, the hospital will get the point—no one is going to pay.

so an open ended system where the only way the big players can make more money is to grow the system is fine by you?

i can see you arent a businessman either  ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:54pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:24pm: one of the problems with the american system is that obama ........ Aww, please... The US health system has been a sick joke (no pun intended) since successive administrations started winding back Johnson's Medicare. The Reagan Administration wanked it a bit by passing a law that forced hospitals to accept and treat any patient regardless of insurance or financial status. Then forgot about it... the upshot is that people present at an ER with, say, a bad cold instead of paying through the nose for a GP. Health insurance companies regularly either refuse to pay medical expenses or change the cover rules on the fly to justify denying a claim. For someone who can afford a lawyer, the game to play is when health insurance companies refuse to pay for treatment and the hospital comes to you for the money, DO NOT PAY! Have your lawyer refer them back to the company. With a bit of luck, the hospital will get the point—no one is going to pay. so an open ended system where the only way the big players can make more money is to grow the system is fine by you? i can see you arent a businessman either  ;D ;D

Can you see why Luigi Mangione is seen as a hero?

Could be that he might not be convictable by a jury of his peers...

A killer 'exonerated' due to the US health system.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 11:24am: What improvements were made in the last four years under Biden and Harris. This is by no means a complete list, but I don't believe your question to be one seeking a legitimate answer by the way you've framed it so I won't waste more time putting a complete list together.  But anyway: Strengthening the Affordable Care Act via the American Rescue Plan Act. Executive Order 14070: Signed in April 2022, this order directed federal agencies to expand affordable coverage, improve quality, and strengthen benefits under the ACA. Reducing Prescription Drug Costs via the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. Expanding Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program. Coverage of Traditional Health Practices: The Biden administration approved amendments allowing Medicaid and CHIP to cover traditional health practices provided by Indian Health Service facilities, Tribal facilities, and urban Indian organisations. Mental Health Parity Rule: In September 2024, the administration finalized a rule ensuring that mental health care coverage for approximately 175 million Americans is on par with physical health care coverage, aiming to lower costs and improve access to mental health and substance use care. Rural Health Funding: In September 2024, the administration announced a $75 million investment to support healthcare services in rural America, addressing disparities in access and quality of care. Quote: When Trump won in 2016 there were cries that he would destroy the country, he would start WW3, he was working for Putin and on it went. Nothing happened, he ran the country and everything went just fine. He created jobs, unemployment went down, wages went up , people were seeing improvement. Off topic, nothing to do with healthcare. [quote]I don't think its wise to keep predicting what is going to happen especially after getting it wrong so many times. (not you but generally)

If you'd like to talk about healthcare predictions, it was predicted for Trump's first term given his campaign rhetoric that his changes to the healthcare system would cause the loss of coverage for millions, result in higher costs for vulnerable populations, create a destabilisation of insurance markets and increase health disparities.

These predictions all came true.

And now, all we know about his plans for his second term is that he has "concepts of a plan".

Given his track record, the lunatic he's put in a prominent health role and the total lack of a plan, the outlook is grim.

But the whole point was, if RFK Jr does anything to actually improve the system that puts the current status quo at risk, which is a necessity to actually fix it, Trump and the Republicans are the wrong banner to do this under.

They will stop him or even just remove him from the role quick smart.[/quote]

Nice, informative post.

Perhaps Leroy could now tell us what improvements were made in the four years under Trump and Pence.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 1:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:54pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:24pm: one of the problems with the american system is that obama ........ Aww, please... The US health system has been a sick joke (no pun intended) since successive administrations started winding back Johnson's Medicare. The Reagan Administration wanked it a bit by passing a law that forced hospitals to accept and treat any patient regardless of insurance or financial status. Then forgot about it... the upshot is that people present at an ER with, say, a bad cold instead of paying through the nose for a GP. Health insurance companies regularly either refuse to pay medical expenses or change the cover rules on the fly to justify denying a claim. For someone who can afford a lawyer, the game to play is when health insurance companies refuse to pay for treatment and the hospital comes to you for the money, DO NOT PAY! Have your lawyer refer them back to the company. With a bit of luck, the hospital will get the point—no one is going to pay. so an open ended system where the only way the big players can make more money is to grow the system is fine by you? i can see you arent a businessman either  ;D ;D Can you see why Luigi Mangione is seen as a hero? Could be that he might not be convictable by a jury of his peers... A killer 'exonerated' due to the US health system.

the US health system is the way it is because of the incentives built into the system

if you are a player who will get zero dollars for arranging a fat child to recieve good nutrition and exercise , you will not do that

if you are a player who will get 1000's of dollars by putting that child on life long $1000 a month injections to control obesity you will do that.

change the incentives (as rfk, hyman and means intend to do) and you change the behaviour

The rather bizarre advice from the "paid off" american paediatric society  ::)
rather expensive too  ::) ::)

Depending on the degree of obesity in the child, the AAP guideline further recommends integrating anti-obesity medications (such as metformin and GLP-1 receptor agonists) and potentially bariatric surgery with IHBLT to treat the condition. These medications have been shown to be safe and effective treatment options for children 12 years and older.
Just this year, the FDA also approved Wegovy (semaglutide) as a weight loss treatment for adolescents above age 12 years, increasing options for teens struggling with unhealthy weight.

Bariatric surgery should also be considered in children ages 13 years and older with severe obesity, according to the new AAP guidance. Although a more drastic approach, bariatric surgery can be particularly successful in maintaining a lower and healthier BMI. Anti-obesity medications and bariatric surgery are approaches that are more often used in adult populations but evidence suggests that they are safe and effective for some children as well.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

(as rfk, intend to do) and you change the behaviour

Yes... As he did in Samoa - encouraged the government not to vaccinate children for measles, resulting in 89 deaths of children from measles and thousands of hospitalisations of children.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 1:35pm: (as rfk, intend to do) and you change the behaviour Yes... As he did in Samoa - encouraged the government not to vaccinate children for measles, resulting in 89 deaths of children from measles and thousands of hospitalisations of children.

How many American children is RFK Jr. going to kill?   :'(

“The Samoan establishment handled the whole situation really badly and did not take the support and advice that was provided to them at the time, which is what allowed this to unravel and let RFK get in there,” Petousis-Harris said.

“When you get people who are wealthy and influential going into a fragile setting, it’s like the top of the food chain visiting and meeting up with those who act as the megaphone. The impact was devastating.” The resurgence of disease when vaccine rates go down is predictable, she said.

Kennedy has spread false claims that the MMR vaccines cause autism. According to the Centre for Countering Digital Hate, he is one of the world’s top disinformation super-spreaders. Public health officials in Samoa said anti-vaccination activists had been empowered by Kennedy, which had affected vaccine uptake.

kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should)

Well, if that's what he said that's good enough for me.

If you can't believe this man, then who can you believe?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6ADUxumbfmg/hq720.jpg

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:28am: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system. Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying. On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL. You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay? All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience. Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor? After that, how much do you pay for your meds? And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance? Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system.

Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay.

My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance.

I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free.

Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients.

One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing.

My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90.

People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 1:01am: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:28am: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system. Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying. On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL. You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay? All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience. Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor? After that, how much do you pay for your meds? And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance? Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system. Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay. My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance. I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free. Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients. One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing. My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90. People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little.

I see. Here in my multicultural ghetto in Western Sydney, the cost to see a doctor is $0.

The cap for prescription meds is US$19.77. Most meds are cheaper. If receiving a government benefit, the total cost per script is $4.82.

Health insurance is free under the Commonwealth Medicare system.

People with chronic illnesses are treated free in all public hospitals.

But that's just us. Your people with chronic illnesses never ever see their health costs "forgiven". The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.

I'm guessing that's what you meant, no? People can relieve the strain of their treatment and the high cost of medical care by declaring bankruptcy.

Now, would you still like me to share my experience of the American health care system?

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should)

Should? RFK Jnr has spent the past decade blaming the current vaccine schedule for everything from autism and obesity to dementia.

Are you saying he should go back on everything you applauded him telling Joe Rogan?

Come come. Next you'll be telling us the Superior Man's stable and reliable, hand on the tiller, steady as she goes. Unwavering, unflinching, steadfast, brave and true. Not so much a man as a God.

Let's face it, the Superior Man should cave at the first opportunity. That's what you really meant to say, no?

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:05am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 1:01am: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:28am: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they take pride in their health system and do not want unqualified people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system. Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying. On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL. You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay? All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience. Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor? After that, how much do you pay for your meds? And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance? Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system. Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay. My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance. I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free. Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients. One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing. My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90. People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little. I see. Here in my multicultural ghetto in Western Sydney, the cost to see a doctor is $0. The cap for prescription meds is US$19.77. Most meds are cheaper. If receiving a government benefit, the total cost per script is $4.82. Health insurance is free under the Commonwealth Medicare system. People with chronic illnesses are treated free in all public hospitals. But that's just us. Your people with chronic illnesses never ever see their health costs "forgiven". The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. I'm guessing that's what you meant, no? People can relieve the strain of their treatment and the high cost of medical care by declaring bankruptcy. Now, would you still like me to share my experience of the American health care system?

And you pay higher taxes and fees to have "free health care". Nothing is free, someone always pays! If your access to treatment and care is as bad as Canada I wouldn't be bragging about it. Pets have better access to care than people there.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:32am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 12:05am: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 1:01am: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 12:28am: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 10:22pm: Leroy wrote on Dec 18th, 2024 at 9:36am: America have one of the worst health systems in the world. They have had qualified and health experts run the system and yet it is still one of the worst in the world. But they ed people running it and ruining their poor record. Thats the big fear, if RFK can make the system better then the qualified people will look stupid. Tell us all about your personal experience with the American health care system. Don't go all sourpuss on us, Mort. Leroy's just saying. On Day 1, you Septics will have a completely awesome new health system, courtesy of your DL. You watch. I'm sure Leroy will recant his views completely in another month's time, mkay? All I am asking is for any of you to tell me about your first hand knowledge using the American medical system. You're full of opinions but without experience. Sure, but first I have a question. How much do you pay to see your doctor? After that, how much do you pay for your meds? And when you're done with that, how much do you pay for your health insurance? Answer me that, and I'll give you my entire history with the American health care system. Our price to see the Doctor is a $30 co-pay. My prescriptions are generally under $20 with insurance. I pay a little over $300 per month for family coverage. It is a better system than charging the public an extra dollar for a gallon of motor fuel and claiming health coverage is free. Our medical costs for treatments are generally under $100. Something more serious is a case by case situation and I couldn't guess those costs to patients. One friend of mine was in a coma for about a month before he died. The medical bills were over one million dollars, his coverage paid it all. His family was billed nothing. My brother became suddenly ill, spent the day in the emergency room and died that same day. Medical care cost over $140,000, his estate part of the bill was less than $90. People with chronic illnesses incur some high medical bills and even they see most of their medical care covered or forgiven. We are good friends with a morbidly obese couple and their monthly prescription cost is several hundred dollars a month. However their occasional hospital stays cost them very little. I see. Here in my multicultural ghetto in Western Sydney, the cost to see a doctor is $0. The cap for prescription meds is US$19.77. Most meds are cheaper. If receiving a government benefit, the total cost per script is $4.82. Health insurance is free under the Commonwealth Medicare system. People with chronic illnesses are treated free in all public hospitals. But that's just us. Your people with chronic illnesses never ever see their health costs "forgiven". The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. I'm guessing that's what you meant, no? People can relieve the strain of their treatment and the high cost of medical care by declaring bankruptcy. Now, would you still like me to share my experience of the American health care system? And you pay higher taxes and fees to have "free health care". Nothing is free, someone always pays! If your access to treatment and care is as bad as Canada I wouldn't be bragging about it. Pets have better access to care than people there.

Come come. Your pets pay less for their medication than your people, Mort, but let's get real. Your claim wasn't that we pay higher taxes to have "free health care". I've just provided you with the highest possible fees Australians pay.

Same medicine, lower fees. Same medical training, lower cost to see doctors. Same hospital standards, no need to declare bankruptcy.

The Australian government literally demands foreign pharmaceutical companies lower their costs to sell  their products in Australia. That's not higher taxes, dear, that's just good business. Or, dare I say, good deal-making.

Your own DL could learn a thing or two from us on health care, no? It might help with his concepts of a plan.

One of the number one problems with your standard of living is the astronomical cost of your health care. This fact alone places the US below every other developed country and many developing countries too.

Canada? You have citizens who choose to live near the Canadian border so they can drive to Montreal to buy their medicine.

Canada, you see, caps the price of drugs as well. You?

You pay through the nose. You vote for big pharma-funded politicians who stiff you every chance they get.

Australia has campaign finance laws, electoral funding, mandatory voting and a host of measures that prevent us getting farmed out by cashed-up big pharma lobbyists. We have a national pharmaceutical benefits scheme and universal health care. Here, everybody gets a stab at life, not just the elites your DL represents.

So, ask me about my experience with the American health care system. I promise not to lie.

So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick

https://youtu.be/80gDs1modTM

[quote author=Marla link=1734478588/49#49 date=1734627769]So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick

https://youtu.be/80gDs1modTM

I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla.

Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016.

You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then!

He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING...

Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world:

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

Marla wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:02am: So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick https://youtu.be/80gDs1modTM I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla. Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016. You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then! He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING... Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world: We'll have to wait and see what happens.

That's right.

And although the wait has been long, the big announcement is coming in just ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:41pm: Marla wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:02am: So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick https://youtu.be/80gDs1modTM I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla. Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016. You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then! He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING... Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world: We'll have to wait and see what happens. That's right. And although the wait has been long, the big announcement is coming in just ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA

Really? He'll have it done in two weeks?

How awesome. Imagine the higher order thinking of the man. He must operate at a level few can even fathom. We're talking Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Hawking, the late, great Hannibal Lector.

Four dimensional chess, innit. What kind of man?

Not so much a man as a God.

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:48pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:41pm: Marla wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 3:02am: So proud to live in a state where you can get sued for just being sick https://youtu.be/80gDs1modTM I know, right? Mort voted for the guy who's going to fix all that, Marla. Mr Trump, you see, has concepts he's been working on since 2016. You'll see. On Day 1, Mr Trump will make his big announcement. The leftards won't be happy then! He'll kill it, just smash it out of the ballpark. Totally BREAKING... Yes, the big fella will announce it to America and the world: We'll have to wait and see what happens. That's right. And although the wait has been long, the big announcement is coming in just ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA Really? He'll have it done in two weeks? How awesome. Imagine the higher order thinking of the man. He must operate at a level few can even fathom. We're talking Leonardo da Vinci, Stephen Hawking, the late, great Hannibal Lector. Four dimensional chess, innit. What kind of man? Not so much a man as a God.

That's what they said - two weeks.

“The President in the next week or so will be laying out his vision for health care. Some of that has already been put out there – telemedicine and lowering the cost of drugs … and protecting pre-existing conditions. But the President will be laying out some additional health care steps in the coming, I would say, two weeks,” White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said on Tuesday when asked if the President’s health care plan exists.   September 22, 2020

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 12:20am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 2:03pm: kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should) Should? RFK Jnr has spent the past decade blaming the current vaccine schedule for everything from autism and obesity to dementia. Are you saying he should go back on everything you applauded him telling Joe Rogan? Come come. Next you'll be telling us the Superior Man's stable and reliable, hand on the tiller, steady as she goes. Unwavering, unflinching, steadfast, brave and true. Not so much a man as a God. Let's face it, the Superior Man should cave at the first opportunity. That's what you really meant to say, no?

rogan is on the record as saying his kids have had every shot ::) ::)

why must the left lie  :'( :'(

aquascoot wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 12:20am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 19th, 2024 at 2:03pm: kennedy has said that he will be supportive of the current vaccine schedule (as indeed he should) Should? RFK Jnr has spent the past decade blaming the current vaccine schedule for everything from autism and obesity to dementia. Are you saying he should go back on everything you applauded him telling Joe Rogan? Come come. Next you'll be telling us the Superior Man's stable and reliable, hand on the tiller, steady as she goes. Unwavering, unflinching, steadfast, brave and true. Not so much a man as a God. Let's face it, the Superior Man should cave at the first opportunity. That's what you really meant to say, no? rogan is on the record as saying his kids have had every shot ::) ::) why must the left lie  :'( :'(

Is that so?

Joe Rogan, RFK Jnr, Alex Jones, the entire anti-vaxxer movement - all safe, snug and vaxxed.

Well, that settles that. Thanks for the information, dear.

Next time they decide to spread fake news, kill a few mil and sell a few off-license horse dewormers, you can remind us all about their kids' vaccination status.

RIGGED WITCH HUNT !!!

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Come come. Your pets pay less for their medication than your people, Mort, but let's get real. Your claim wasn't that we pay higher taxes to have "free health care". I've just provided you with the highest possible fees Australians pay. Same medicine, lower fees. Same medical training, lower cost to see doctors. Same hospital standards, no need to declare bankruptcy. The Australian government literally demands foreign pharmaceutical companies lower their costs to sell  their products in Australia. That's not higher taxes, dear, that's just good business. Or, dare I say, good deal-making. Your own DL could learn a thing or two from us on health care, no? It might help with his concepts of a plan. One of the number one problems with your standard of living is the astronomical cost of your health care. This fact alone places the US below every other developed country and many developing countries too. Canada? You have citizens who choose to live near the Canadian border so they can drive to Montreal to buy their medicine. Canada, you see, caps the price of drugs as well. You? You pay through the nose. You vote for big pharma-funded politicians who stiff you every chance they get. Australia has campaign finance laws, electoral funding, mandatory voting and a host of measures that prevent us getting farmed out by cashed-up big pharma lobbyists. We have a national pharmaceutical benefits scheme and universal health care. Here, everybody gets a stab at life, not just the elites your DL represents. So, ask me about my experience with the American health care system. I promise not to lie.

I pay much more for any pet medication needed than for family. I have had Newfoundland dogs for almost 25 years and a trip to the Vet can easily run a few hundred dollars. One of mine was diagnosed with Cushing's disease and her medication had to be prepared by a compounding pharmacy because dosage is administered based on weight. Her condition cost over one hundred dollars a month. We do not take any form a regular medication so the human cost is zero.

The number one cause of bankruptcy is easy credit, not medical bills. Most people's large medical costs happen in the last few months of life and most or all of it is payed by insurance.

The drug companies are able to recover the cost of research and development from Americans, if the rest of you payed your fair share our cost would be hardly more than yours. We basically subsidize your lower costs. Americans going to Canada to avoid paying R & D is common. They would never go there for treatment of a major illness.

My cost for health care is virtually nothing except for the monthly premium for insurance, nothing astronomical about it.

Your turn, tell me about your experience with the American health system.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 10:40pm:

Quote: Come come. Your pets pay less for their medication than your people, Mort, but let's get real. Your claim wasn't that we pay higher taxes to have "free health care". I've just provided you with the highest possible fees Australians pay. Same medicine, lower fees. Same medical training, lower cost to see doctors. Same hospital standards, no need to declare bankruptcy. The Australian government literally demands foreign pharmaceutical companies lower their costs to sell  their products in Australia. That's not higher taxes, dear, that's just good business. Or, dare I say, good deal-making. Your own DL could learn a thing or two from us on health care, no? It might help with his concepts of a plan. One of the number one problems with your standard of living is the astronomical cost of your health care. This fact alone places the US below every other developed country and many developing countries too. Canada? You have citizens who choose to live near the Canadian border so they can drive to Montreal to buy their medicine. Canada, you see, caps the price of drugs as well. You? You pay through the nose. You vote for big pharma-funded politicians who stiff you every chance they get. Australia has campaign finance laws, electoral funding, mandatory voting and a host of measures that prevent us getting farmed out by cashed-up big pharma lobbyists. We have a national pharmaceutical benefits scheme and universal health care. Here, everybody gets a stab at life, not just the elites your DL represents. So, ask me about my experience with the American health care system. I promise not to lie. I pay much more for any pet medication needed than for family. I have had Newfoundland dogs for almost 25 years and a trip to the Vet can easily run a few hundred dollars. One of mine was diagnosed with Cushing's disease and her medication had to be prepared by a compounding pharmacy because dosage is administered based on weight. Her condition cost over one hundred dollars a month. We do not take any form a regular medication so the human cost is zero. The number one cause of bankruptcy is easy credit, not medical bills. Most people's large medical costs happen in the last few months of life and most or all of it is payed by insurance. The drug companies are able to recover the cost of research and development from Americans, if the rest of you payed your fair share our cost would be hardly more than yours. We basically subsidize your lower costs. Americans going to Canada to avoid paying R & D is common. They would never go there for treatment of a major illness. My cost for health care is virtually nothing except for the monthly premium for insurance, nothing astronomical about it. Your turn, tell me about your experience with the American health system.

But of course. As soon as I read a lie-free reply, I'll say.

Until then, your drug companies aren't spending all their money on research and development, dear, they're spending it on marketing - to you. Your drug companies put ads on the tele to get you running off to your doctors to ask for drugs.

Here Down Under, that's haram. Yet another reason why we pay less for our drugs.

My experience of the US health care system? Watching ads for Zoloft on your free-to-air TV. It's not just your politicians getting farmed by big pharma, dear, it's you

You?

Yes, Mort, you. Triple the cost of the same level of care as us Down Under. The most expensive health care system in the world, and a large proportion of your population can't even afford what your dogs take for granted at your vets.

You.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 21^st, 2024 at 10:40pm:

My cost for health care is virtually nothing except for the monthly premium for insurance, nothing astronomical about it.

So, the world's best health system so long as you don't need it, then!