lee wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 7:24pm: lee wrote on Dec 24th, 2024 at 5:10pm: Even if that carbon tax is somehow distributed to the taxpayers generally, it is a subsidy on their costs. Can you explain your logic here? If we substitute a tax on something we don't want taxed, like income, for a tax on something we do want taxed, like GHG emissions, why does it suddenly become a "subsidy on their costs"? Because the taxpayers are paid so it artificially lowers their cost of electricity. If it artificially lowers a cost it is a subsidy.

How exactly does a carbon tax artificially lower the price of electricity?

If the carbon tax were to be distributed to taxpayers as a reduction in income tax, would you oppose the tax cuts because you would confuse it for some kind of subsidy?

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

How exactly does a carbon tax artificially lower the price of electricity?

isn't that the exact OPPOSITE of all his claims when Gillard introduced the carbon tax?

Yes. It defies common sense.

I asked him about a dozen times in the other thread to explain these statements, and he gave about a dozen different answers, none of them really relevant. For the most part he just insisted that I say whether I agree with him before he tells me what he is trying to say.