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Message started by Aussie on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:49pm

Title: Bumra
Post by Aussie on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:49pm
I offer you a challenge.  Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope?  I'm not saying he is illegal.  I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery.  The ball just flops out.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Jasin on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:55pm
Good question. I've wondered about his action. He's not a slinger like Jeff Thompson. I think he has a whip action.
It does look like his arm and wrist bend, but like a snake in motion. He's getting optimal speed with minimal run up and action. A bit suss about Bumrub.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by philperth2010 on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Gnads on Jan 1st, 2025 at 9:07am

Aussie wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:49pm:
I offer you a challenge.  Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope?  I'm not saying he is illegal.  I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery.  The ball just flops out.


It's been a big pub discussion .... me not ever playing cricket except in the back yard & the odd social game - listened ... several blokes called him a chucker ... like Murali.... different action but still a chucker.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:26am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by philperth2010 on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:41am

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.


I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Gnads on Jan 1st, 2025 at 12:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.


I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

:-? :-? :-?



I suppose that would be difficult under that rock of yours. ::)

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Gnads on Jan 1st, 2025 at 12:32pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.


I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

:-? :-? :-?


That's rules not laws - and since Murali the ICC has changed the rules from a maximum 5 degree bend in elbow to 15 degrees.

So changing the rules to accommodate chuckers instead of making them change their action & bowl within the rules.

But we can't have that because it's wacist.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by philperth2010 on Jan 1st, 2025 at 2:32pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.


I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

:-? :-? :-?



I suppose that would be difficult under that rock of yours. ::)


Suppose you show us where Bumra's action has been called illegal by anyone....You like throwing stones but never back it up....Typical guttless turd!!!

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Aussie on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:07pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Exactly.  Leroy ought just shut on every matter except his Wife about whom he chose to post.  No-one can call him on that stuff.  He is 100% wrong on all other issues.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Aussie on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:08pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 9:07am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:49pm:
I offer you a challenge.  Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope?  I'm not saying he is illegal.  I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery.  The ball just flops out.


It's been a big pub discussion .... me not ever playing cricket except in the back yard & the odd social game - listened ... several blokes called him a chucker ... like Murali.... different action but still a chucker.


Get out in your back yard and try to bowl a ball with a totally stiff hyper-extended arm.  Test it yourself.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Aussie on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:12pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 2:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 10:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Maybe I didn't say it right, if any Australian questions Bumrah's action it will be immediately drowned out with calls of racism and jealously and only because Bumrah is too good for them.

At least Bumrah is a good bloke, I like watching him.


I haven't heard anyone question the legality of Bumra's action....He is unusual but not breaking any laws???

:-? :-? :-?



I suppose that would be difficult under that rock of yours. ::)


Suppose you show us where Bumra's action has been called illegal by anyone....You like throwing stones but never back it up....Typical guttless turd!!!

::) ::) ::)


I'm calling it into question.  I cannot assert it is illegal but I do ask you to try it yourself.  Bowl a cricket ball at your 4 year old Grand Son and retain a totally stiff hyper extended bowling arm.  The ball will just about only flop out.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:32pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Exactly.  Leroy ought just shut on every matter except his Wife about whom he chose to post.  No-one can call him on that stuff.  He is 100% wrong on all other issues.


There is no requirement to read my posts, there is no requirement to believe anything I say, there is no requirement for me to provide you with anything.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Aussie on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:26pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:07pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:56am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Australians have no right to question any bowlers actions after being right about Murali.


Murali was throwing the ball when he bowled the Doosra as tests proved....The ICC changed the laws to accomodate the chucker!!!


Quote:
Muttiah Muralitharan (SL) – called in December 1995 by umpire Darrell Hair at Melbourne, January 1996 by umpires Tony McQuillan and Ross Emerson in Brisbane, and January 1999 by Ross Emerson in Adelaide – He demonstrated he is capable of bowling with a legal action by wearing a steel reinforced plaster-of-Paris arm guard (which works as a shield against him bending his arm) and bowling all his deliveries correctly. However, the calls for throwing were shown to be quite correct when tests showed a 14 degree bend when delivering the doosra, compared with the maximum under the then rules of 5 degrees. The rule was then changed to allow up to 15 degrees of bend.


::) ::) ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing#:~:text=Muttiah%20Muralitharan%20(SL)%20%E2%80%93%20called,reinforced%20plaster%2Dof%2DParis%20arm


Exactly.  Leroy ought just shut on every matter except his Wife about whom he chose to post.  No-one can call him on that stuff.  He is 100% wrong on all other issues.


There is no requirement to read my posts, there is no requirement to believe anything I say, there is no requirement for me to provide you with anything.


Correct, but I'll come back at you if/when I see your bullshit.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:37pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:26pm:
Correct, but I'll come back at you if/when I see your bullshit.


Relax you are all fired up over nothing.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Aussie on Jan 1st, 2025 at 6:11pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:26pm:
Correct, but I'll come back at you if/when I see your bullshit.


Relax you are all fired up over nothing.


"Fired up."  Nah.  Ima just on to your crap.  I rarely see what you post so......

Carry on.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Jan 1st, 2025 at 6:15pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 6:11pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 4:26pm:
Correct, but I'll come back at you if/when I see your bullshit.


Relax you are all fired up over nothing.


"Fired up."  Nah.  Ima just on to your crap.  I rarely see what you post so......

Carry on.

You just went bananas at me for agreeing with you. And Phil didn't know I agreed with him, I'm looking around for the camera thinking this is set up. Fun times.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Jasin on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:02pm
Bumrah is a 16% angle CHUCKER!!

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:07pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:02pm:
Bumrah is a 16% angle CHUCKER!!


Thats well within the umpires call. But seriously think what would happen if we did hear "No ball".

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:11pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:07pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:02pm:
Bumrah is a 16% angle CHUCKER!!


Thats well within the umpires call. But seriously think what would happen if we did hear "No ball".


I think that after the entire Muttiah Muralitharan chucking saga, umpires are extremely hesitant to call a bowler for chucking. I can't say I blame them, but I hope that they would call it if they believe they see it.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Leroy on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:11pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:07pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 7:02pm:
Bumrah is a 16% angle CHUCKER!!


Thats well within the umpires call. But seriously think what would happen if we did hear "No ball".


I think that after the entire Muttiah Muralitharan chucking saga, umpires are extremely hesitant to call a bowler for chucking. I can't say I blame them, but I hope that they would call it if they believe they see it.


I don't think they can call it on the field anymore, it has to be referred to the umpires panel.

Title: Re: Bumra
Post by Gnads on Jan 4th, 2025 at 4:34pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 3:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 1st, 2025 at 9:07am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 3:49pm:
I offer you a challenge.  Get out in your local park, and bowl a ball with an arm extended like this bloke, straight, flexed, as his is as he runs in.

Don't change a thing about that, and see if without bending your elbow you can move your wrist as he does.

I can't.

No-one can bowl a ball at pace if they release the ball with an unbent elbow.

Now, I know that the MCC Rules allow some angle of bend, but is he at the edge of the envelope?  I'm not saying he is illegal.  I am saying I can't bowl a ball with a rigid, straight, hyper extended arm at the point of delivery.  The ball just flops out.


It's been a big pub discussion .... me not ever playing cricket except in the back yard & the odd social game - listened ... several blokes called him a chucker ... like Murali.... different action but still a chucker.


Get out in your back yard and try to bowl a ball with a totally stiff hyper-extended arm.  Test it yourself.


Too phukkin old.

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