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Title: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:54pm
Coalition reveals government departments have spent $450k on Welcome to Country ceremonies in two years
Commonwealth government departments have been accused of fuelling a “multi-million-dollar industry” for Welcome to Country ceremonies after tax payers were slugged with a $450,000 bill for the protocols. Documents obtained from the Opposition under Freedom of Information requests revealed 300 Welcome to Country ceremonies had been performed across 21 government departments over the 2022-23 and 2023-24 financial years, totalling to $452,953. Cost breakdowns revealed on average $1266 was spent per ceremony, with some of the highest-spending departments the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet ($41,801), the Australian Institute of Sport ($47,003), the National Indigenous Australians Agency ($60,342). Although Opposition government waste spokesman James Stevens said there was “a place” for the ceremonies, he said the events had become a “multi-million-dollar industry,” given the “enormous amounts” spent by state and local governments. “Welcomes to Country should be genuine and authentic, not a lucrative income stream at the taxpayers’ expense,” he said. “Spending millions on ‘welcome’ ceremonies does nothing to address the challenges facing indigenous Australians. “This money could be better spent on delivering real solutions to indigenous communities.” Nationals Leader David Littleproud echoed his concerns, stating the ceremonies had become “more about the money than the meaning”. “I think what we need to do is put them in their right place, and I think they have a significant place in our society, but it should be for major events where Australia is on the international stage here in Australia or where we’re celebrating one of our biggest sporting events or cultural events,” he said. “That’s where we should have Welcome to Countries, but for departments to be spending that sort of money on Welcome to Country during the last two years is obscene, and there’s better use of that money, particularly in shifting the dial and closing the gap rather than having Welcome to Countries.” The latest revelation from the Opposition follows Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s vow that if the Coalition were returned to government, he as prime minister would not conduct press conferences in front of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags because he believed they were “dividing our country unnecessarily”. However, a spokesperson for the federal government said current provisions are the same to what was in place under the previous government, adding that decisions to conduct Welcome to Country ceremonies were made by individual departments. “These arrangements have been in place for many years - including under previous governments,” they said. “We expect departments to make decisions that are value for money - and to be accountable for those decisions.” https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/coalition-reveals-government-departments-have-spent-450k-on-welcome-to-country-ceremonies-in-two-years/news-story/3f8d1fdcce46ff65e2170e73e7314909 |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:55pm
Just get rid of them altogether. I don't need to be welcomed to my country - I was born here, as were my parents and grandparents. Nothing more than a financial rort for Indigenous land councils and more division among Australians.
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:56pm
Poll added.
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by whiteknight on Jan 5th, 2025 at 5:54pm
Not much in comparison to the nuclear submarines. :(
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:15am
I'll bet the conalition have spent even more than that on wine at taxpayers expense ::)
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:24am
What Dutton government? :D :D
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:25am Albo and his Labor mates pissing our money against the wall. Vote him out soon at the next election. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jan 6th, 2025 at 7:58am John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:15am:
Party money or government money? Government money.... all found... |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:04am
The cost is the least of it.
It entrenched a false and essentially divisive ideology and mindset under the guise of inclusion for a little bakhshish that has turned into a birthright. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Daves2017 on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:10am
I don’t understand why they don’t just put them on full time as staff?
It would have to work out cheaper? When they aren’t doing sporting events they could be the shopping centres or train and bus stops or Airports, Just pay them the minimum award rate and will be welcome everywhere every day!? |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 6th, 2025 at 4:50pm Daves2017 wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:10am:
full time staff? in this day and age? The libs have us all conned. Everytime they win govt they sack 1000 govt employees, and hire 2000 contractors to do all the work, at quadruple the price, and somehow the liberal voters think they are saving money :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:20pm John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 4:50pm:
Contractors are cheaper than permanent public service staff. The benefits - super at 15.6% or more, sick leave, long service, leave allowance etc - are massive long term liabilities and cost a lot. You don't need permanent public servants to clean your buildings, cut your grass, wash your windows and cars, service your photocopiers and vehicles, dispose of your rubbish and recyclables, do your repairs and building maintenance. And so forth. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:24pm Frank wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:20pm:
keep drinking the cool aid |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Jasin on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:54pm
The pseudo Africans known here as Aborigines are selling their wares at the market for $450,000 with a dance and a swat at flies with eucalyptus branches.
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:15pm Jasin wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:54pm:
Albo and his Labor mates pissing our money against the wall. Vote him out soon at the next election. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Daves2017 on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:11pm John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
Reminds me of a friend who was once employed with a ( then) state owned electricity provider. His job, with a team was too keep the fauna under electric lines mowed. He was paid out a big redundancy when it was all privatised by labor government but was soon reemployed with the new private contractor with his team on better money. You have to ask if a government agency cannot manage its own in-house business needs without having to outsource the responsibility are they really up to job they are in at all? |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Brian Ross on Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:27am
Bobby on another right-wing Witch hunt. Who would you replace Albo with? Another Sco-Mo, a Mr. Potato-head? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 7th, 2025 at 11:19am John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
Do show us why it is always better to have in-house permanent staff than to have contractors. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:10pm John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:15am:
At least you get something out of wine. Welcome to country does nothing more than make Australians feel like outsiders. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:36pm Daves2017 wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:11pm:
Happens all the time I also find it funny that all to often, the one to win the contract also happens to be be a party donor ... coincidence? |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:37pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:10pm:
What exactly do you get when a politican gets pissed on your dime? and the only ones to feel like outsiders are eternal victim |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:58pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 6:15pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:27am:
Whoever is in charge has to understand the: blood, sweat, toil and tears that went into making taxpayers money available to the Govt - the sacrifice made against their will - and so every penny of taxpayers money has to be spent wisely - not just because it sounds like a good idea - it has to pass the pub test - it has to be what a reasonable person would expect. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Jasin on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:21pm
Shouldn't the ceremony be "Welcome to your country too?"
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:40pm Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:21pm:
Mar 7, 2023 Welcome to country ceremonies do little more than make wealthy city people feel good about themselves. Memo to the grievance industry, thanks for the virtue theatre, but like the majority of Australians, I am sick and tired of being welcomed to my own country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqdpHrcMkDk |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Brian Ross on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:48pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:58pm:
Why do you only condemn the Labor Government, Bobby and let the LNP off the hook all the time? The LNP is a far greater waster of money than the ALP has been. We have $121 million on mythical railway station carparks, over $225 million wasted on Advertising by the Sco-Mo government, over $830 million wasted on French submarines and that is only to start with. I'm sure I could find more examples if I was willing to dig a little further. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:55pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:48pm:
Yep - they are all guilty of wasting money. Labor went ballistic over Liberal Bronwyn Bishop taking a $5K helicopter ride and she lost her position as speaker over it. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Brian Ross on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:14pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Are you protesting against it? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:29pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:14pm:
No - she wasted money. There seems to be little we can do about it - Labor or Liberal - they both waste tax payers sacred money. I'll be voting independent but I know nothing will change. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:31pm Quote:
This is an OUTRAGE ! Any WONDER the economy's headed down the toilet ! I'd just assumed they'd all be on 'blackfella pay' ? . |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:53pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:14pm:
no matter who's leading them, or what their policies are - though he'll never admit it . |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Brian Ross on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:04pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:29pm:
You will be wasting your vote, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:20pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:31pm:
They are - but this is a 'gift' - a 'hobby', so they don't declare it at Colonel C'Link. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28pm
Any vote that does not give the major parties a dollar is a good vote. One day tip-over point will arrive....
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Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:54pm John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 1:37pm:
You would probably get better ideas coming from a pissed politician than a sober one. And I don't like having to hear about an indigenous person telling Australians that they are welcomed to his/her country. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Daves2017 on Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:47pm Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:21pm:
Im pretty much over meetings that start with some young German girl doing the recital of “we respect everything “ I just asked to be excused from the table and let me know when it was over. The committee was overwhelmed and shocked. They asked me back in once the 25 something new Australian had finished her government mandated recital. It’s still a free world, there own wokeness work against them. I’m entitled to my own view and I can’t be discriminated against because I hold a different view. Kinda shut down the whole meeting. They don’t know how to handle another point of view! |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:11am UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
You'd rather they told you that you weren't welcome? Are you drunk? |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:32am Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:04pm:
And you will vote for this clown: |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:52am John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:11am:
It is not for Aborigines to welcome anyone to any part of Australia. Especially not in a building, town or city. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:56am Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:32am:
He is certainly not a man of his word, that’s for sure. Nor is he a man who is in touch with the average Australian who is not earning a six-figure salary. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:56am Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:29pm:
We have prefential voting so who does your independent preference? |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:58am Frank wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:52am:
If this was, indeed, a custom previously used by aboriginal people prior to the arrival of Europeans, then let’s make it only for aboriginal people. Stop doing it at NRL games. Stop doing it at Council meetings. Stop doing at children’s school assemblies. Let it be done only at aboriginal land council meetings or other aboriginal bodies between other aboriginals. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 8th, 2025 at 8:01am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:56am:
That's true: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1736265014/0#6 |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 8th, 2025 at 8:02am Frank wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:56am:
Dunno yet - I work it out just before the election. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by John Smith on Jan 8th, 2025 at 4:51pm Frank wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:52am:
You're a refugee who was allowed here by our good graces, it's not for you to say who or what aborigines can and can't do |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:32pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 7:58am:
Well, it was never an inter-Aboriginal custom across the continent. They have never been aware of each other to that extent. It is an invention to rub Whitney's nose into their grievance by inventing/appropriating notions like country and nation and expanding them. The entire Aboriginal culture industry is fake, a European invention, in European intellectual terms, in European political language. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Brian Ross on Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:44pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:32am:
50 lies which Soc-Mo told us. He'd be the alternative which we'd have to live with, hey, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:50pm John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
I am not a refugee. Who the he'll is a refugee FROM Denmark?? Even if I was, I can freely speak my mind. |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Frank on Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:51pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 8:02am:
No you won't, boo boo. You are just saying... |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:29pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:44pm:
I suppose they all tell fibs: |
Title: Re: Costly welcome to country ceremonies Post by Bobby. on Jan 8th, 2025 at 6:32pm Frank wrote on Jan 8th, 2025 at 5:51pm:
Don't call me boo boo - Franky wanky - I have no idea who is even a candidate in my local electorate. |
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