Indofication – A neologism that will soon find its way into the modern Australian vernacular due to the massive influx of Indic peoples (including from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh and Bhutan).

It is a term that William Dalrymple, in his latest book, The Golden Road, could have used. In it, he demonstrates the almost unparalleled influence that the Indic peoples had on shaping both the Roman Empire and East/Southeast Asian cultures for over 1000 years—from before 100 BCE to 600AD in the West and even longer in the East.

Now, after over another 1000 years of hiatus, they’re poised to do it again.

The rumblings of concern that can be heard here are eerily reminiscent of many distinguished Romans’ complaints expressing alarm at the gargantuan influx of Indic luxury goods, spices, and foodstuffs that, they feared, would bankrupt the Empire—as hundreds of tons of gold and other precious metals flowed eastwards.

Now the subcontinent’s main trade is its peoples.

In September 2024, more than 500,000 people from the subcontinent were living in Australia on Temporary Visas (mostly as students) with the vast majority seeking permanent residency.

And, according to the actions of both sides of politics, more are needed.

Both sides of the aisle have turned a blind eye to the student visa racket that has been simmering for years in Australia and the reason isn’t hard to work out…

It’s the economy, stupid!

The average Indian earns the equivalent of $2 per hour (much higher, of course, in the subcontinent’s metropolises; lower in rural regions). With Australia’s minimum hourly wage currently at over $24/hour, it doesn’t take an Einstein to work out that subcontinentals could work for considerably less than that and be quids in (or should that be rupees in) at the end of the day.

It has been the fate of all affluent societies to require the labour of an underclass to do the menial work that affluent locals will not do.

As slavery is out, modern societies like Australia need to be creative, hence subcontinental ‘students’.

The cost? Indofication… and a housing crisis.

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers…

Namaste!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

Indofication – A neologism that will soon find its way into the modern Australian vernacular due to the massive influx of Indic peoples (including from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh and Bhutan). Now the subcontinent’s main trade is its peoples. In Both sides of the aisle have turned a blind eye to the student visa racket that has been simmering for years in Australia and the reason isn’t hard to work out… It’s the economy, stupid! The average Indian earns the equivalent of $2 per hour (much higher, of course, in the subcontinent’s metropolises; lower in rural regions). With Australia’s minimum hourly wage currently at over $24/hour, it doesn’t take an Einstein to work out that subcontinentals could work for considerably less than that and be quids in (or should that be rupees in) at the end of the day. It has been the fate of all affluent societies to require the labour of an underclass to do the menial work that affluent locals will not do. As slavery is out, modern societies like Australia need to be creative, hence subcontinental ‘students’. The cost? Indofication… and a housing crisis. Namaste!

Well written.
We can’t fight it for both parties are working together to create a big Australia.

I believe it was agreed upon a century ago.

Our standard of living will continue to drop, our environment will continue to degrade under the weight of a population of 100 million.


Don’t matter who you vote for- this is what politicians call “ progress “ :-[

Grasshoppers - it is good to see you finally joining the Revolution...

Truly 2025 is going to be a Year Of Decision for the West.... either our culture divests itself of The Madness of pretending to assume that all are equal in morals and values etc - or it sinks never to rise again.

How many years ago did I tell you to lock the gates?  How long ago did I predict that AlboCorp would bring about The Changing of The Tide here...  it took one people speaking with one ...... voice ... to start the ball rolling... and now the cities of cards are falling one by one....., peoples of the West, long held powerless by their sublimely silly governments claiming to be the 'soft option' while actually jack-booting all over the people, have finally realised that they have the power - not the Establishment elites.

Darwin Has Fallen ..... Brisbane Has Fallen ....The Gaga Strip (ACT) remains a small enclave held by Ham-Asses .... Washington Has Fallen .... Transylvania Has Fallen ....  Sydney Will Fall ... Adelaide Will Fall ..... Hobart Will Fall ...... Perth Will Fall ..only Melbadishu (Capital City of Some Aliens) might hold out as The South Bank until it inevitably fails and then falls ... Fedaustralia Will Fall ....  now WE, The People, must save this country from the train wrecks of both 'sides' of The Tag Team  ....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 10:14pm:

Grasshoppers - it is good to see you finally joining the Revolution... Truly 2025 is going to be a Year Of Decision for the West.... either our culture divests itself of The Madness of pretending to assume that all are equal in morals and values etc - or it sinks never to rise again. How many years ago did I tell you to lock the gates?  How long ago did I predict that AlboCorp would bring about The Changing of The Tide here...  it took one people speaking with one ...... voice ... to start the ball rolling... and now the cities of cards are falling one by one....., peoples of the West, long held powerless by their sublimely silly governments claiming to be the 'soft option' while actually jack-booting all over the people, have finally realised that they have the power - not the Establishment elites.

It is irrelevant who is in government... immigration will continue.

Affluent societies have, without exception, required an underclass to do the work affluent locals and their children will not do.

25 million of us number among the most affluent people in human history, and we cannot maintain an affluent lifestyle without a migrant underclass.

Australia has never not had a migrant underclass... why would 2020s Australia be any different an era to all others since 1788?

Migration isn’t always a bad thing.
It’s how it’s managed.

Albo open the gates during a homeless crisis.
Yes he apologised for his stupidity but that doesn’t help Born and bred Australians sleeping in cars because immigrants have taken all the rentals does it?

I also have a issue with immigration based only on your education, skills and bank balance.

That’s a sign our own education system is a expensive total failure.

Myself, I would rather see a very small immigration program of 25 thousand a year aimed solely at emptying refugee camps one at a time.

The Universities  bosses are well paid.
If they can’t educate our people stop importing others to fill the gap and then instead hire people who can fix our education system?

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 10:38pm:

Migration isn’t always a bad thing. It’s how it’s managed. Albo open the gates during a homeless crisis. Yes he apologised for his stupidity but that doesn’t help Born and bred Australians sleeping in cars because immigrants have taken all the rentals does it? I also have a issue with immigration based only on your education, skills and bank balance. That’s a sign our own education system is a expensive total failure. Myself, I would rather see a very small immigration program of 25 thousand a year aimed solely at emptying refugee camps one at a time. The Universities  bosses are well paid. If they can’t educate our people stop importing others to fill the gap and instead hire people who can fix our education system?

Politicians on both sides would 'apologise' when they can no longer use the 'racism' card to howl down dissent.

But there's no devil in the political machine... no Dr Evil.

The cold truth is that we, the affluent, need people to do the work we won't do.

All of the nation's largest generation - the Boomers - are nearing their late senior years... the population is ageing rapidly.

Would we have them forced out of retirement to pick fruit and veg, and staff the service and healthcare industries?

Australians of past generations worked to have their kids educated to not have them forced into menial jobs... why would their kids - and their grandkids - aspire to menial work now?

Very Good questions and I can only partly answer it at the moment, need to walk the cat.

We have a decent amount of people unemployed in Australia. Numbers rise in the youth . As does the crime rate- a connection?

I knew several grey nomads who had a wonderful life fruit picking.
Nice vans, free to camp and as much work as wanted.
( reliable told avoid picking beans).

However then government laws changed and they were no longer needed.

The os owned farms could now employ backpackers or special working visas people plus they could charge them for accommodation and food!

One of the reasons why our strong pacific island neighbours can hardly be prepared come work for hard for little more than food and board.

Your asking some great questions!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 8:49pm:

The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste!

And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun.

We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially.

Were you especially hopeful?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 10:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:14pm: Grasshoppers - it is good to see you finally joining the Revolution... Truly 2025 is going to be a Year Of Decision for the West.... either our culture divests itself of The Madness of pretending to assume that all are equal in morals and values etc - or it sinks never to rise again. How many years ago did I tell you to lock the gates?  How long ago did I predict that AlboCorp would bring about The Changing of The Tide here...  it took one people speaking with one ...... voice ... to start the ball rolling... and now the cities of cards are falling one by one....., peoples of the West, long held powerless by their sublimely silly governments claiming to be the 'soft option' while actually jack-booting all over the people, have finally realised that they have the power - not the Establishment elites. It is irrelevant who is in government... immigration will continue. Affluent societies have, without exception, required an underclass to do the work affluent locals and their children will not do. 25 million of us number among the most affluent people in human history, and we cannot maintain an affluent lifestyle without a migrant underclass. Australia has never not had a migrant underclass... why would 2020s Australia be any different an era to all others since 1788?

All true - up to a point, Lord Copper.

There are societies even today, that have managed well without imporing slaves, helots, an underclass. Japan, Switzerland, Scandinavia.
But yes, many Western countries are importing an alien underclass that will eventually outbreed the hosts.

But there are examples that show it is not a necessity. And that is why the path to indification or Chinafication or whatever is not an inevitability but a chosen societal suicide.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:23pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:14pm: Grasshoppers - it is good to see you finally joining the Revolution... Truly 2025 is going to be a Year Of Decision for the West.... either our culture divests itself of The Madness of pretending to assume that all are equal in morals and values etc - or it sinks never to rise again. How many years ago did I tell you to lock the gates?  How long ago did I predict that AlboCorp would bring about The Changing of The Tide here...  it took one people speaking with one ...... voice ... to start the ball rolling... and now the cities of cards are falling one by one....., peoples of the West, long held powerless by their sublimely silly governments claiming to be the 'soft option' while actually jack-booting all over the people, have finally realised that they have the power - not the Establishment elites. It is irrelevant who is in government... immigration will continue. Affluent societies have, without exception, required an underclass to do the work affluent locals and their children will not do. 25 million of us number among the most affluent people in human history, and we cannot maintain an affluent lifestyle without a migrant underclass. Australia has never not had a migrant underclass... why would 2020s Australia be any different an era to all others since 1788? All true - up to a point, Lord Copper. There are societies even today, that have managed well without imporing slaves, helots, an underclass. Japan, Switzerland, Scandinavia. But yes, many Western countries are importingvan alien underclass that will eventually outbreed the hosts. But there are examples that show it is not a necessity. And that is why the path to intoxication or Chinafication or whatever is not an inevitability but a chosen societal suicide.

Sheer hysterics.

They're just people. "outbreed"? What the hell i wrong with you?

In any event, may isuggest you stop relentlessly whinging? Just accept your reality. Nobody is unringing any bells.

Or, of course, if you don't like it here, go back to where you came from.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful?

The point has eluded you.

Yes, Australia invites Indic peoples who are doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals &etc...

But they are also the privileged and affluent of the Indic society into which they were born - unlikely to take on menial work like: Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers.

They are also unlikely to enter Australia as a faux student seeking a path to PR and citizenship, given that PR would be part of their agreement to settle here in the first place.

If you speak to affluent Indic people, you'll find that they too have never held down a menial job in their home country in their life - they have local-born servants and lower castes for that - locally produced and culturally imposed underclasses.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:13am:

All true - up to a point, Lord Copper. There are societies even today, that have managed well without imporing slaves, helots, an underclass. Japan, Switzerland, Scandinavia. But yes, many Western countries are importingvan alien underclass that will eventually outbreed the hosts. But there are examples that show it is not a necessity. And that is why the path to intoxication or Chinafication or whatever is not an inevitability but a chosen societal suicide.

The Indians say -

we are all bloody British.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:41am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful? The point has eluded you. Yes, Australia invites Indic peoples who are doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals &etc... But they are also the privileged and affluent of the Indic society into which they were born - unlikely to take on menial work like: Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers. They are also unlikely to enter Australia as a faux student seeking a path to PR and citizenship, given that PR would be part of their agreement to settle here in the first place. If you speak to affluent Indic people, you'll find that they too have never held down a menial job in their home country in their life - they have local-born servants and lower castes for that - locally produced and culturally imposed underclasses.

Incorrect. Most of them are trained here. Most fields do not accept accreditation from the countries youe are referring to.

Cultures such as Japanese and Scandinavian are poor examples of ones that didn't import slaves...

The Japanese are historically particularly xenophobic and structured their society such that they imposed underclass status on their lower castes, as did the Norman English on the vanquished Anglos Saxons, relegating even their language with them.

And nevermind Japanese historical misuse of the Chinese and Koreans as slaves.

Scandanavians routinely raided their neighbouring cultures, bringing back slaves to Scandinavia.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful? The point has eluded you. Yes, Australia invites Indic peoples who are doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals &etc... But they are also the privileged and affluent of the Indic society into which they were born - unlikely to take on menial work like: Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers. They are also unlikely to enter Australia as a faux student seeking a path to PR and citizenship, given that PR would be part of their agreement to settle here in the first place. If you speak to affluent Indic people, you'll find that they too have never held down a menial job in their home country in their life - they have local-born servants and lower castes for that - locally produced and culturally imposed underclasses. Incorrect. Most of them are trained here. Most fields do not accept accreditation from the countries youe are referring to.

Nearly all of them have come from privileged backgrounds, from high-status castes. Most are applying for places in Australia as a third choice after the US and Canada.

None are destined to take on menial work.

As for accreditation, Australia and India are working on that... the recently signed Mechanism for Mutual Recognition of Qualifications is designed to fasttrack or override current legislative roadblocks to accreditation.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:13am: All true - up to a point, Lord Copper. There are societies even today, that have managed well without imporing slaves, helots, an underclass. Japan, Switzerland, Scandinavia. But yes, many Western countries are importingvan alien underclass that will eventually outbreed the hosts. But there are examples that show it is not a necessity. And that is why the path to intoxication or Chinafication or whatever is not an inevitability but a chosen societal suicide. The Indians say - we are all bloody British.

Only the British think that.

Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:19am:

Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'.

You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :)

There are tribal barbarians from the German swamps lurking in fruit farms. Away from the Migrant Police, they quickly seize fruit, fill baskets and move on with money in the pocket.  Cigarette traders are being burnt out, car crashes are increasing and the heat is on. They are approaching the city walls.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :)

A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj.

Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90.

chimera wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:25am:

There are tribal barbarians from the German swamps lurking in fruit farms. Away from the Migrant Police, they quickly seize fruit, fill baskets and move on with money in the pocket.  Cigarette traders are being burnt out, car crashes are increasing and the heat is on. They are approaching the city walls.

Einen Wortsalat, bitte.

Sanskrit is Indo European language. Scythians, Kushans, Greeks and Parsees in India were Euros. They traded with SE Asia so that 25% of Old Java language was Sanskrit. A whaling boat and military boat are painted near Darwin with Javanese names in the Aboriginal histories of boats arriving on the east coast. So in Sydney, nawi  is the Aboriginal canoe, from Skt nav, 'boat, navy' and Javanese nawika 'boat'. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90.

A great comedy which is sorely missed.

chimera wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:05am:

Sanskrit is Indo European language. Scythians, Kushans, Greeks and Parsees in India were Euros. They traded with SE Asia so that 25% of Old Java language was Sanskrit. A whaling boat and military boat are painted near Darwin with Javanese names in the Aboriginal histories of boats arriving on the east coast. So in Sydney, nawi  is the Aboriginal canoe, from Skt nav, 'boat, navy' and Javanese nawika 'boat'.

Sanskrit is part of the Indo-Aryan branch of the Indo-European language group... Most Indic and European languages evolved from what is known as Proto-Indo-European (PIE).

Indic influence in the West and the East has persisted since before 100 BC.

Christian monasticism and its early philosophy were inspired by Indic Buddhism, which arrived in Egypt around 150 BC.

Indonesia is peppered with ancient Sanskrit words... Its national airline, Garuda, is the Sanskrit name of the bird-like vehicle of the Hindu god Vishnu, representing strength, power, and freedom.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90. A great comedy which is sorely missed.

By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful?

Your education is progressing..... good start to the year that piece of reality.  Now explore your theme more deeply to derive the ultimate reality.

"Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers."

.... ditch diggers, sewer sweepers, furnace cleaners in polluted old factories, sun heat testers on the pineapple fields,  cane cutters, tunnel choppers, road gangs .... all the jobs many Boomers did to support their families and a decent country....  YOU?  Then the pre-Boomers - swaggies, sheep and cattle herders on the same deal as an Aboriginal stockman in many cases, the wife at home waiting for months while the old man is on the road trying to earn a quid to send home and sleeping rough.... nowadays the 'better classes' use Christmas holidays to go camping!  Push the Tent City Slickers out of the way to get a spot near the beach ... and many sleep rough due to absolute necessity.....

Ah yes - the Good Olde Days and the 'affluence' of modern Australia.... some of you need to get out and actually sleep rough on the streets on the dole for a month.... that'd wake yez all up.  Your entire perspective would change.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:29am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful? Your education is progressing..... good start to the year that piece of reality.  Now explore your theme more deeply to derive the ultimate reality.

More like gross naivety...

As the British put it... 'Australia is a class-free society, divided into working class, middle class and upper class'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90. A great comedy which is sorely missed. By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ghNgE8QYc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViND0QzeGBQ

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

Incorrect. Most of them are trained here. Most fields do not accept accreditation from the countries youe are referring to.

Not quite .... only a few countries need their credentials upgraded via a course - it used to be that all doctors had to complete a course of a year+ here to gain local accreditation.  Look around you .......

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90. A great comedy which is sorely missed. By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples.

They have Bollywood.......  :o

Buddha was a Shakya from north India where Saka Scythians from south Russia ruled with Indo Greeks about 150 BCE to 400CE.  Gr philosophy resembled Buddhist ideas and Gr astronomy was used by India, with Gr sculpture in Buddhist statues as in Indonesia.

Baniyas are Indian traders under the banyan trees, from Saka banhya 'tree', as in Russian banya wooden sauna with tree twigs for striking the skin. It is banyaga trader in Old Java, possibly bunya nut tree of Qld where tribes gathered under the family tree for festivals and meetings.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

"Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers." .... ditch diggers, sewer sweepers, furnace cleaners in polluted old factories, sun heat testers on the pineapple fields,  cane cutters, tunnel choppers, road gangs .... all the jobs many Boomers did to support their families and a decent country....  YOU?

That's true.

The Boomers did not work that hard to have their kids and grandkids forced to repeat their hardships.

On that, they succeeded.

Their late Gen-X/Millennial kids and grandkids completed high school and went on to complete tertiary education.

They freed their children from having to engage in menial jobs, except maybe as 'work experience' in their teens, to get a taste of what gramps had to do to survive.

So, who's left as an underclass to do the menial work?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:33am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:29am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful? Your education is progressing..... good start to the year that piece of reality.  Now explore your theme more deeply to derive the ultimate reality. More like gross naivety... As the British put it... 'Australia is a class-free society, divided into working class, middle class and upper class'.

Excellently said!!  What I mean is that the idea presented - of underclasses not being 'official' - should be explored by the poster - to benefit hir education and greater, broader understanding of reality today.  That and a month on the streets with the dole..... would help many such ...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:26am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90. A great comedy which is sorely missed. By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples. They have Bollywood.......  :o

A trillion-dollar industry.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:25am:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:13am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:23pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:14pm: Grasshoppers - it is good to see you finally joining the Revolution... Truly 2025 is going to be a Year Of Decision for the West.... either our culture divests itself of The Madness of pretending to assume that all are equal in morals and values etc - or it sinks never to rise again. How many years ago did I tell you to lock the gates?  How long ago did I predict that AlboCorp would bring about The Changing of The Tide here...  it took one people speaking with one ...... voice ... to start the ball rolling... and now the cities of cards are falling one by one....., peoples of the West, long held powerless by their sublimely silly governments claiming to be the 'soft option' while actually jack-booting all over the people, have finally realised that they have the power - not the Establishment elites. It is irrelevant who is in government... immigration will continue. Affluent societies have, without exception, required an underclass to do the work affluent locals and their children will not do. 25 million of us number among the most affluent people in human history, and we cannot maintain an affluent lifestyle without a migrant underclass. Australia has never not had a migrant underclass... why would 2020s Australia be any different an era to all others since 1788? All true - up to a point, Lord Copper. There are societies even today, that have managed well without imporing slaves, helots, an underclass. Japan, Switzerland, Scandinavia. But yes, many Western countries are importing an alien underclass that will eventually outbreed the hosts. But there are examples that show it is not a necessity. And that is why the path to indofication or Chinafication or whatever is not an inevitability but a chosen societal suicide. Sheer hysterics. They're just people. "outbreed"? What the hell i wrong with you? In any event, may isuggest you stop relentlessly whinging? Just accept your reality. Nobody is unringing any bells. Or, of course, if you don't like it here, go back to where you came from.

They are "just people" is true only up to a point. Culture matters. Cultural compatibility and ability and willingness to assimilate matter.

Aborigines are not "just people", we wouldn't have endless special considerations for them if they were "just people".

Nor are Indians and Africans and Chinese in Australia, Europe,America. Not even Danes outside Australia - which is why you say with such glee that I can go back.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:43am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:26am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90. A great comedy which is sorely missed. By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples. They have Bollywood.......  :o A trillion-dollar industry.

Surely they have comedies.... some poking fun at the Raj and at snobs etc... it can't all be 'Rani meets girl Shusa, caste is different, families play Romeo and Juliet feuding - boy and girl make happy marriage for life... (glurg)'  or 'funny man with no idea make great hotel out of dump, invite British in to fix all for him!!' or 'unfortunate visit by Muslim across water result in many death in fabled hotel' .......... there must be some pokes at the Old Raj, Old Boy!!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:42am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:33am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:29am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful? Your education is progressing..... good start to the year that piece of reality.  Now explore your theme more deeply to derive the ultimate reality. More like gross naivety... As the British put it... 'Australia is a class-free society, divided into working class, middle class and upper class'. Excellently said!!  What I mean is that the idea presented - of underclasses not being 'official' - should be explored by the poster - to benefit hir education and greater, broader understanding of reality today.  That and a month on the streets with the dole..... would help many such ...

Yes. All societies are hierarchically structured - all of them have underclasses...It's part of the human instinct.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:43am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:26am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:28am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 8:19am: Only the British think that. Indians are acutely aware of the massive impact Indic cultures have had on the world... Their catchcry is 'The world is Indian'. You never watched   "it ain't half hot mum"     :) A British-made comedy masking a self-serving fantasy about the British Raj. Indic influence on the West has persisted for nearly 2500 years. The British Raj lasted about 90. A great comedy which is sorely missed. By the British... not by the 1.5+ billion-strong Indic peoples. They have Bollywood.......  :o A trillion-dollar industry. Surely they have comedies.... some poking fun at the Raj and at snobs etc...

Ahh yeah...

Comedy is a human instinct.
Indic peoples are human.
so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ghNgE8QYc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViND0QzeGBQ

British democracy was undemocratic until last century. At a time when barons ruled the serfs and villeins in Norman England, there was democracy for all males in Ngarrindjeri country on the Murray river. They elected tendi as in Javanese tanda 'official' from the word-root of 'tenant', as in Celtic tanist elected chief.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful?

Half - 51% - of international student graduates with a bachelor’s degree still in Australia after three years are working in low-skilled Level 4 or Level 5 jobs:
https://api.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/International-graduates-by-skill-level.png


These findings are corroborated by the most recent Graduate Outcomes Survey (GOS), which shows that international graduates have far lower employment rates, participation rates, and median earnings than domestic graduates:
https://api.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Graduate-outcomes-survey-summary.png


Worryingly, each of Australia’s three major source countries for overseas students – China, India, and Nepal – has dismal labour market outcomes in terms of full-time employment:
https://api.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Graduate-outcomes-survey-FTE-summary.png

It is no surprise that Australia is suffering widespread skills shortages if this is what the tertiary education industry is producing in record numbers.

Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:44am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful?

;D Well some news for you Mothbint -

Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lnkans & Nepalese do.

And their record for the treatment of women is also appalling.

It take it you didn't watch & listen to video clip of Indian ex-pat Jayant Bhandari?

Educate yourself on exactly what Indians are like straight from the horses mouth.

These are the types of people you & your ilk want to flood our country with. ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Mg4nXJ21Y

It is likely to continue because the Albanese government signed two migration accords with India this year(2023), which include provisions such as:

Indians will be granted five-year student visas with no limit on the number who can study in Australia.

Indian graduates of Australian higher institutions on a student visa can apply to work for up to eight years without visa sponsorship.

Australia will recognise Indian vocational and university graduates as “holding the comparable AQF qualification” for entrance to higher education and general employment.


These migration agreements will make Australia an even more appealing destination for lower-skilled Indians seeking work and residency in Australia.

Instead of lowering standards to entice large volumes of sub-par students to Australia, policymakers should instead focus on attracting a small pool of excellent (genuine) students by significantly raising financial barriers to entry as well as entrance requirements (particularly for English language proficiency), and removing the clear link between studying, working, and permanent residency.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/12/international-students-left-unemployed-and-underemployed/

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:05am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:44am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 8:49pm: The benefits? Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, aged care staff, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants, fruit and veg pickers… Namaste! And doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals and just about every job under the sun. We don't do underclasses anymore dear. At least not officially. Were you especially hopeful? The point has eluded you. Yes, Australia invites Indic peoples who are doctors, nurses, scientists, ambo drivers, architects, teachers, academics, child care professionals &etc... But they are also the privileged and affluent of the Indic society into which they were born - unlikely to take on menial work like: Uber drivers, Uber Eats deliverers, 24-hour gas station attendants, IT service support, cleaners, chefs, furniture and white goods deliverers, pizza house staff, nightshift security staff, low-level shop assistants and fruit and veg pickers. They are also unlikely to enter Australia as a faux student seeking a path to PR and citizenship, given that PR would be part of their agreement to settle here in the first place. If you speak to affluent Indic people, you'll find that they too have never held down a menial job in their home country in their life - they have local-born servants and lower castes for that - locally produced and culturally imposed underclasses. Incorrect. Most of them are trained here. Most fields do not accept accreditation from the countries youe are referring to. Nearly all of them have come from privileged backgrounds, from high-status castes. Most are applying for places in Australia as a third choice after the US and Canada. None are destined to take on menial work. As for accreditation, Australia and India are working on that... the recently signed Mechanism for Mutual Recognition of Qualifications is designed to fasttrack or override current legislative roadblocks to accreditation.

That will be on our Politicians heads.

If there's one thing that Indians excel at it's lying, deceit, bribery & corruption through connection.

Getting false passports and qualifications is a breeze.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:58am:

Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.[/highlight]

As if that isn't the point of student visa scams, to which both sides of politics turn a blind eye.

Affluent societies are run by affluent peoples who require access to low-paid, low-skilled workers to continue to live lifestyles that otherwise would be beyond their means and capacity to maintain.

Gnads wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 11:04am:

That will be on our Politicians heads.

A burden that both sides of politics have no problem bearing - their question to us in response is: 'So you want your affluent lifestyle to continue and as cheaply as possible or, at least on rates you can afford?'

chimera wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 10:07am:

British democracy was undemocratic until last century. At a time when barons ruled the serfs and villeins in Norman England, there was democracy for all males in Ngarrindjeri country on the Murray river. They elected tendi as in Javanese tanda 'official' from the word-root of 'tenant', as in Celtic tanist elected chief.

It's only in recent times that universal suffrage came into play - a century or so - during which latter half the stirring beast of the entrenched Feudalocracy has been steadily whittling away at equal rights for all via various emotion-filled avenues...

Then out of the West rode a mighty man... of heroic stature and of arm and thigh of great strength and seated upon a mighty horse - a pale horse - and his name was Albo - and he wrought upon the Oppressor Class the idea of a special Voice calling the faithful of Woke to worship at their own supremacism - and thus in doing so he created the enlightenment of the people and causeth them to rise in their righteous wrath in pursuit of the downfall of the Kingdom of Woke and all of its beastly followers... and all of Hell followed after him for the Ungodly.... the people have risen ... the people are Speaking with One Voice!!  The Divine Right of Elected Government to wage Lawfare upon its people will be replaced with the Right of the people to command that government.  All Hail St Albo - Liberator Of The True Slaves!!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 11:44am:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:58am: Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.[/highlight] As if that isn't the point of student visa scams, to which both sides of politics turn a blind eye. Affluent societies are run by affluent peoples who require access to low-paid, low-skilled workers to continue to live lifestyles that otherwise would be beyond their means and capacity to maintain.

How is it that so many Indic peoples run, say, gas stations?

Hardly a secret or a surprise... Oil companies use Indic contract labour-hire companies for all their low-level personnel employment.

On the matter of entry into Australia, these labour-hire contractors work with the Indian and Australian governments on behalf of the oil companies to secure the entry of Indic workers into Australia.

When visas for migrant workers are not available, they use the student visa process as a loophole to providing migrant workers with visas.

The advantage for Australia is lower overheads to run day-to-day operations at the outlet resulting in lower fuel prices and other costs than they otherwise would be.

While companies in Australia may be required to pay a minimum of $24.50 per hour, the minimum in rupees, while exponentially lower than that, is much higher than anything even many skilled workers within the Indosphere could earn.

Everyone's a winner... until it worked too well and triggered housing crises, which destroyed NZ's Ardern Government, has just destroyed Canada's Trudeau government and is set to do the same to the Albanese government.

Not that senior politicians won't get over it... they won't be short of employment opportunities as the likes of Andrews, McGowan and Perrottet have proved.

They did their jobs as Australian senior politicians - they kept most of us in the affluence to which we have become accustomed.

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2025 at 10:38pm:

Albo open the gates during a homeless crisis. Yes he apologised for his stupidity but that doesn’t help Born and bred Australians sleeping in cars because immigrants have taken all the rentals does it?

Having rentals available won't put an end to homeless people not paying for their part in rents.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 12:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 11:44am: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:58am: Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.[/highlight] As if that isn't the point of student visa scams, to which both sides of politics turn a blind eye. Affluent societies are run by affluent peoples who require access to low-paid, low-skilled workers to continue to live lifestyles that otherwise would be beyond their means and capacity to maintain. How is it that so many Indic peoples run, say, gas stations?

I did ask an Indian guy that very question in his petrol station.  His answer was - it is a no-skill business that can be run by an extended family/network.

Trolley pushers also home through Labour hire companies, owned or managed by particular ethnicities. This sort of work also suits student visa holders.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 1:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 12:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 11:44am: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 10:58am: Australia’s international education Ponzi scheme has literally helped create a massive underclass of low-paid, low-skilled migrant workers.[/highlight] As if that isn't the point of student visa scams, to which both sides of politics turn a blind eye. Affluent societies are run by affluent peoples who require access to low-paid, low-skilled workers to continue to live lifestyles that otherwise would be beyond their means and capacity to maintain. How is it that so many Indic peoples run, say, gas stations? I did ask an Indian guy that very question in his petrol station.  His answer was - it is a no-skill business that can be run by an extended family/network. Trolley pushers also home through Labour hire companies, owned or managed by particular ethnicities. This sort of work also suits student visa holders.

While advised to keep stumm on their visa status and circumstances with customers, certain Indic peoples are naturally personable and cheerful, particularly the Bhutanese.

It's easy to strike up conversations with these ones on Uber rides where they will happily tell you about their country and the 'generous' student visa scheme that allows them to work up to 40 hours a week and work through the weekend on their course in Northern Indian and Tibetan traditional cooking.

Fortunately for them, as it turns out, they learned to cook traditional food when they were 10, so the course isn't too demanding of their time!

All of them I spoke to wanted PR in Australia.

Being generally devout Buddhists, I'm betting all of them are praying to the Lord Buddha and various Bhutanese saints that they have accumulated enough merit over multiple lifetimes for the Australian government to approve their PR application.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 1:24pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 6th, 2025 at 10:38pm: Albo open the gates during a homeless crisis. Yes he apologised for his stupidity but that doesn’t help Born and bred Australians sleeping in cars because immigrants have taken all the rentals does it? Having rentals available won't put an end to homeless people not paying for their part in rents.

It reminds me of a story I'd read years ago in a local newspaper of a middle-aged homeless man forced to sleep rough during the day to be awake and alert at night for personal safety reasons.

A kind-hearted multiple-house owner offered to put him up rent-free in an empty house until he got back on his feet.

Weeks later the owner had to evict him... he'd trashed the joint.

Turns out he had a fixation with not cleaning anything, doing the dishes, or throwing out garbage - storing it instead in bedrooms that now reeked of rotten food, had eaten the carpet and permanently stained the walls.

We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 4:04pm:

We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages.

But we have achieved the bilateral political goal of establishing a willing underclass and its, effectively, endless means of replenishment as the formerly underclass ascends after 5-8 years.

Reminiscent of the deal offered to convicts in the late 18th and 19th centuries: freedom to remain in the colonies after 7 years, or a ticket of leave earlier for good behaviour or via a pardon.

A sad fact being faced by many Indic 'students' is the realisation that their home governments' and contract companies' unofficial assurances of Australian PR are not necessarily assured by any Australian government of the day.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:04pm: We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages. But we have achieved the bilateral political goal of establishing a willing underclass and its, effectively, endless means of replenishment as the formerly underclass ascends after 5-8 years. Reminiscent of the deal offered to convicts in the late 18th and 19th centuries: freedom to remain in the colonies after 7 years, or a ticket of leave earlier for good behaviour or via a pardon.

Aye - but at what cost?  Hint - the development of an unwilling underclass and at the expense of massive REAL inflation.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 5:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:32pm: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:04pm: We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages. But we have achieved the bilateral political goal of establishing a willing underclass and its, effectively, endless means of replenishment as the formerly underclass ascends after 5-8 years. Reminiscent of the deal offered to convicts in the late 18th and 19th centuries: freedom to remain in the colonies after 7 years, or a ticket of leave earlier for good behaviour or via a pardon. Aye - but at what cost?  Hint - the development of an unwilling underclass and at the expense of massive REAL inflation.

You're confusing a working underclass with a dysfunctional underclass.

It's rare these days for Australian politicians to refer to the 'working class'... they usually refer to Australians as middle class.

They may occasionally use euphemisms for the working class, such as 'battlers' or those on 'struggle street' but recently even those euphemisms are increasingly used to refer to people dealing with psychiatric disorders or drug addiction/alcoholism.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 5:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:32pm: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:04pm: We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages. But we have achieved the bilateral political goal of establishing a willing underclass and its, effectively, endless means of replenishment as the formerly underclass ascends after 5-8 years. Reminiscent of the deal offered to convicts in the late 18th and 19th centuries: freedom to remain in the colonies after 7 years, or a ticket of leave earlier for good behaviour or via a pardon. Aye - but at what cost?  Hint - the development of an unwilling underclass and at the expense of massive REAL inflation. You're confusing a working underclass with a dysfunctional underclass. It's rare these days for Australian politicians to refer to the 'working class'... they usually refer to Australians as middle class. They may occasionally use euphemisms for the working class, such as 'battlers' or those on 'struggle street' but recently even those euphemisms are increasingly used to refer to people dealing with psychiatric disorders or drug addiction/alcoholism.

The class stratification is one thing. The underclass today has full political rights and access to social, health and all other services. With an underclass of the the same culture and customs, this means social mobility.

With a culturally distant, unassimilating underclass with a significantly higher birth rate than the host population this means cultural and demographic transformation.   

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:27pm:

With a culturally distant, unassimilating underclass with a significantly higher birth rate than the host population this means cultural and demographic transformation.

In the modern geographically hyper-mobile world, large migration waves are not only probable but inevitable. The last 80 years have proved that.

Indic and East/Southeast Asian peoples have a long and ancient history of both peaceful cultural assimilation with and transformation of their host societies. Before Japan's rise and fall in the early 20th century, none of those societies had a history of military invasion outside their regional Asian milieu.

While Indic peoples transformed Southeast Asia, they did it via the local adoption of Indic religions, philosophy and trade, not by the sword.

It's only through the spread of West Asian Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam) that significant inter-cultural conflict arose and persists today.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:27pm: With a culturally distant, unassimilating underclass with a significantly higher birth rate than the host population this means cultural and demographic transformation.    In the modern geographically hyper-mobile world, large migration waves are not only probable but inevitable. The last 80 years have proved that.

Only into countries whose political class wants demographic and cultural transformation.
Many countries do not and so have no large or even small scale migration.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:57pm: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 6:27pm: With a culturally distant, unassimilating underclass with a significantly higher birth rate than the host population this means cultural and demographic transformation.    In the modern geographically hyper-mobile world, large migration waves are not only probable but inevitable. The last 80 years have proved that. Only into countries whose political class wants demographic and cultural transformation. Many countries do not and so have no large or even small scale migration.

Into countries where it's a matter of 'populate or perish', or at least, 'populate or diminish in affluence'... where the local birthrate is dropping towards less than 1.5 and a willing working underclass cannot be maintained within the local population.

We have to remember that it's not Indic governments that are demanding large-scale migration into Australia or anywhere else... We are inviting them. They are not inviting themselves.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:57pm:

While Indic peoples transformed Southeast Asia, they did it via the local adoption of Indic religions, philosophy and trade, not by the sword.

The Indo Europeans with tribal traditions adopted Indic culture, eventually, and a reduced militancy. The result was the empires of Java and Cambodia (Borobudur and Angkor Wat).  If ethnic mixing brings vibrant populations, then ocker bogans could benefit.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 5:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:32pm: Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2025 at 4:04pm: We've had millions of student visa holders obtaining Australian university and vocational qualifications over the last few decades - and we continue to have serious skilled workforce shortages. But we have achieved the bilateral political goal of establishing a willing underclass and its, effectively, endless means of replenishment as the formerly underclass ascends after 5-8 years. Reminiscent of the deal offered to convicts in the late 18th and 19th centuries: freedom to remain in the colonies after 7 years, or a ticket of leave earlier for good behaviour or via a pardon. Aye - but at what cost?  Hint - the development of an unwilling underclass and at the expense of massive REAL inflation. You're confusing a working underclass with a dysfunctional underclass. It's rare these days for Australian politicians to refer to the 'working class'... they usually refer to Australians as middle class. They may occasionally use euphemisms for the working class, such as 'battlers' or those on 'struggle street' but recently even those euphemisms are increasingly used to refer to people dealing with psychiatric disorders or drug addiction/alcoholism.

Ah - so it's a matter of SPIN and not of reality.  What are those 'dysfunctional underclass' people to do for a job and a roof these days?  So according to the narrative we're all middle class now and nobody works for a living, not in any hard yakka way, and so there is a need for mass immigrants to fill the holes at servos and such?  You don't see many of them out there with a spade.... they are like sheilas - they only want the soft jobs that pay the best without any hard effort.

So - where does that leave us for an 'underclass'?  For an 'underclass' they're doing a damned good job of taking advantage of all the business loop-holes etc, while the real underclass lives on the beach - has far more leisure time than ever in history, you know.

Now wonder they drink and drug and have head problems.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 8:03pm:

Ah - so it's a matter of SPIN and not of reality.  What are those 'dysfunctional underclass' people to do for a job and a roof these days?  So according to the narrative we're all middle class now and nobody works for a living, not in any hard yakka way, and so there is a need for mass immigrants to fill the holes at servos and such?  You don't see many of them out there with a spade.... they are like sheilas - they only want the soft jobs that pay the best without any hard effort. So - where does that leave us for an 'underclass'?  For an 'underclass' they're doing a damned good job of taking advantage of all the business loop-holes etc, while the real underclass lives on the beach - has far more leisure time than ever in history, you know. Now wonder they drink and drug and have head problems.

Dysfunctional underclasses don't work, they're incapacitated. In Australia, they receive taxpayer-funded medications, therapy and a sickness allowance (euphemistically rebranded recently as part of jobseeker payments).

It's not like seeking migrants as a source of a willing underclass is anything new in Australia, think the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

Yes, that's right we all have pretensions to be no lower than the middle class, and we're all 'above average' in status. Politicians are only responding to what they know we imagine of ourselves.

Indic migrants, themselves, are not taking advantage of anything in Australia... they're following instructions laid out to them by their local migration intermediaries.

And to just get a chance at having a child in Australia, who can earn money in Australian terms that can support their entire extended family, costs a fortune for the average Indic parents who, even if they are financially comfortable in local terms, aren't even close to that in Australian terms. They often have to take out loans to give just one child a chance at earning life-changing money as a low-skilled worker.

I’m calling it!

Best thread this year!

“It's not like seeking migrants as a source of a willing underclass is anything new in Australia, think the Snowy Mountains Scheme.”

That’s such a true statement and shows how times have changed!
The difference between than and now is that they to making coffees and beds and doing food delivery .

We have ( several) generation Australians in some form of government payments living happily at home still with parents and often grandparents for no other reason that they are too good to deliver food or wait on a table.
They are much better than that.

Just a random contribution to the discussion.

How is the caste system in India?

How great was the cricket 😎

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The sad thing is it’s still ( in my mind) happening today.

Now they are courted to come here and work but the cost of boarding on the farmers land is so expensive it’s not worth it it!

This poo is still going on today in new forms of underpayment and abuse.

So it will be in another 100 years time because without slave labourers no middle class Australian could afford to eat?

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 9:54pm:

The difference between than and now is that they to making coffees and beds and doing food delivery . How is the caste system in India? How great was the cricket 😎

Yes, Indic peoples are catering to our pretensions towards the expectations of what we would once have called the 'upper class'.

They are, however, also contributing to the maintenance and staffing of essential services, like healthcare workers at all levels.

And, if you don't think Uber driving is that important, think back to the high taxi rates and long waits for taxi services... now a thing of the past in most major cities.

And, yes, the Indian caste system makes Indic peoples uniquely suited to the role of a willing underclass - at least in terms of an acknowledged sense of caste privilege... Australians would be considerably morally more just than the base arrogance of high-caste Indians who consider a low-caste fellow countryman even touching them to be a literal contamination - a defilement of body and soul.

And yes, again... 'They don't like cricket... They love it!'

They also don't get drunk, don't form street gangs, don't take drugs or panhandle at the lights to support a meth habit.

Well - if they are an underclass - why are they not treated as such.  Guest workers will fill the empty spaces equally well without all the hassles.

I Bring You The Guest Worker Plan ......