I'm all for there being peace between Israel and Palestine - or should I say Hamas? I'll preface what I'm about to say that while I don't condone everything Israel has done since the deplorable attack on its civilians last year, people must realise and accept they have a right to defend themselves. People must also accept that Hamas regularly and continually uses innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields. That's a well established fact and is not up for debate because we've seen evidence of this time and time again.

My only real problem with this peace agreement is the fact that it is heavily lopsided in favour of Hamas. Israel has agreed to release hundreds of prisoners (let's be clear - these aren't hostages, they're criminals) and in return Hamas will release just 33 innocent civilians they've been holding hostage. Hardly seems fair to me. As I said, I don't agree with every decision Netanyahu has made, but if I were him, I would not have accepted any peace agreement that did not include the release of every single hostage taken by Hamas last year - living or dead. The families of the dead innocents deserve to be able to bury their loved ones in Israel. I would have also insisted that prisoners released by Israel not exceed the number of living civilian hostages taken by Hamas.

Finally, closer to home, while I am not a fan of Albanese by any means, what more can he do beyond stationing a Police Officer or security guard outside the home, business, school and place of worship of every single Jew in this country? The attacks on these innocent civilians here in Australia is nothing short of atrocious and if caught, these people should be charged with terrorism offences.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 17^th, 2025 at 8:15am:

I'm all for there being peace between Israel and Palestine - or should I say Hamas? I'll preface what I'm about to say that while I don't condone everything Israel has done since the deplorable attack on its civilians last year, people must realise and accept they have a right to defend themselves. People must also accept that Hamas regularly and continually uses innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields. That's a well established fact and is not up for debate because we've seen evidence of this time and time again. My only real problem with this peace agreement is the fact that it is heavily lopsided in favour of Hamas. Israel has agreed to release hundreds of prisoners (let's be clear - these aren't hostages, they're criminals) and in return Hamas will release just 33 innocent civilians they've been holding hostage. Hardly seems fair to me. As I said, I don't agree with every decision Netanyahu has made, but if I were him, I would not have accepted any peace agreement that did not include the release of every single hostage taken by Hamas last year - living or dead. The families of the dead innocents deserve to be able to bury their loved ones in Israel. I would have also insisted that prisoners released by Israel not exceed the number of living civilian hostages taken by Hamas. Finally, closer to home, while I am not a fan of Albanese by any means, what more can he do beyond stationing a Police Officer or security guard outside the home, business, school and place of worship of every single Jew in this country? The attacks on these innocent civilians here in Australia is nothing short of atrocious and if caught, these people should be charged with terrorism offences.

Broadly agree.

Hamas should be eradicated.
Albanes and Penny Dreadful are weak, yeah but no but appeasers of Islamists in Australia and in the Middle East.

Nothing has been done about a year long campaign of antisemitic protests and vand a slick across the country. Other than a call for ... as.... an Islamophobia envoy. Ludicrous.

Antisemitic vandalism and deplatforming, violent protests and openly anti-Australian agitations of every kind  are increasing in direct proportion with Islamic immigration and Green/ Left support.

Great OP Armchair_Politician.

It was ok for the USA to attack Iraq over oil.
It was ok for the USA to attack Al-Quaida over revenge.
It even got the UN involved on its side.

But when Israel retaliates against Terrorism
from Hamas, then Iran and Hezbollah.
The UN and Biden condemn Israel for taking action for preservation against a threat more DIRECT than anything the USA had to face.
Even with Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia supporting Israel's justification. The UN calls the Israeli political leader a War Criminal.

To me, this is Biden and the UN bullying Israel for doing something they can't do better: eradicating Terrorists.
Israel has made them look incompetent.
How many decades has the UN/USA told Israel not to retaliate against a Palestine (PLO, Hamas, the next one) that has rejected all peaceful attempts and of much concessions against the threat of those who only respond with "Death to Jews!"?

Israel isn't doing it just for themselves, they're doing it for the world!

Pathetic Dopey Joe Biden is claiming the medal for the upcoming ceasefire for a peace meeting. It's pretty obvious that it was because of him, that Hamas felt the time to strike was right! It's also obvious that the ceasefire, etc is happening a day before Trump officially becomes President, because both sides entrust in Trump for peace, but will fight under Biden.

“If those hostages aren’t back, I don’t want to hurt your negotiation, if they’re not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East. It will not be good for Hamas, it will not be good for anyone. They should’ve given them back a long time ago. They should never have taken them. If the deal isn’t done before I take office, which is now going to be two weeks, all hell will break out in the Middle East.”

– President-elect Donald Trump, January 7



Two factors have transformed the Middle East, one created by Benjamin Netanyahu, one by Trump.


Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar instructed his negotiators to hold out for an agreement that involved permanent Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and provisions for Sinwar’s own safety.

Netanyahu had other ideas. The Israel Defence Forces finally killed Sinwar last October. That shook Hamas. Worse was to come. Israel dismantled or destroyed much of the so-called Axis of Resistance, the Iranian-sponsored Middle East terror network of which Hamas was part.

It started with Lebanon’s Hezbollah. In a series of assassinations, plus technical, bombing and missile attacks, Israel devastated Hezbollah’s military capabilities, killing its leaders and destroying its missiles.

Meanwhile Turkey supported a group of Syrian Islamists who deposed Bashar al-Assad in Damascus. Israel had so weakened Hezbollah it couldn’t come to Assad’s rescue.

Iran last year twice launched missile attacks against Israel, something it had never done before. In retaliation, Israel destroyed most of Iran’s air defences. Tehran’s nuclear facilities are thus more vulnerable to being bombed than they have been for many years.

This regional revolution hurt Hamas. It struck Israel hoping to isolate the Jewish state and start a region-wide war against it involving Iran and all its proxies. The only Iranian proxy still firing at Israel are the Yemeni Houthis.

Trump was the other revolutionary change.

Trump understood that in a conflict between a savage, Islamist terrorist cult and Israel, the region’s only democracy, he should choose Israel.

Biden made essentially the same choice, backing Israel from day one. But Biden was bedevilled by anti-Israel sentiment in the left of his own party and its activist base and youth wings. The left labelled Biden “Genocide Joe” for supplying Israel with weapons.

Biden’s diplomatic style is antique and no longer effective. He’s multilateralist, feeble, wishy-washy. He doesn’t scare anybody. The idea of the liberal international rules-based order has broken down because huge players such as China, Russia, Iran and others don’t abide by its rules and norms.

Further, many Western governments have become so woke they’re no longer trying to enforce basic human rights but to universalise California gender ideology. No one in Asia, not many people in eastern Europe, pretty well no-one in Africa, signs up to the San Francisco social model.

Defenders of the rules-based order are also now ineffectual in their methods. Biden wasted an entire term trying to entice Iran into a multilateral nuclear deal. Disastrously, this empowered Iran by freeing up money that, under Trump, was frozen under the sanctions regime.

Biden’s instinct in every conflict is to de-escalate. But some conflicts must be won.

The same feebleness is evident in the Albanese government, which condemned Israel even for the exploding telephone pagers with which it attacked Hezbollah commanders when Hezbollah, a proscribed terrorist organisation under Australian law, was relentlessly firing missiles at Israel.

Trump’s style, purpose and demeanour are the polar opposite to Biden. In his first term Trump was often crude, he needlessly trash-talked alliances and he did some counter-productive things. But overall his foreign policy was much more successful than Biden’s, especially in the Middle East.

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Dutton supports a two-state solution that is negotiated fully by Israel and the Palestinians and includes the absolute disavowal of terrorism and the end of all claims on Israel by Palestinians. Albanese and his Foreign Minister, Penny Wong, in contrast, support forcing a two-state solution on Israel even if Palestinian leaders don’t commit to the things necessary for peace. That could be disastrous.

Trump won’t be obsessed by the two-state solution or anything else. The biggest question for Trump in the Middle East is whether he will back Israel in attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities or whether these could be addressed by truly hard-headed negotiations. Trump very much likes the idea that wars don’t happen when he’s president. Iran could be a special case.

In any event, the Trump presidency will transform the Middle East, as it will transform the world.
Greg Sheridan

Great post

There isn't going to be peace between Israel and hamas anyone who thinks peace will happen is delusional.


Quote:

Watch as a palestinian mother promises another October 7th like terror attack each year. “Our children will harm you. We won’t tell you the exact date, but I swear to you, it will happen." https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1879919553180008479

This religious war has been going on for 1400 years the devout muslims don't care for leftist bullshit.

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Hamas terrorist supporters in Sydney were carrying signs mentioning Trees will talk.

This is not about Israel it's about the jews.

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In the end, Palestine will cease to exist, because of its existence as a terrorist state in absolutism.
They will experience what Jews have had to endure for nearly 2000 years - a diaspora into other countries.
That's right, Terrorists fleeing into the likes of Australia and other gullible countries.
Only Moslem countries should take the responsibilty for them. Not us. But Penny Wong will take their victimhood and trans of male terrorists who hide dressed as women.
Palestinians conduct war with no military honour or morality. They are not freedom fighters. They are cowardly murderers.

hamas have certainly achieved a lot for the palestinian people

they have a brand new car park

biggest in the world  :-/

Hamas has totally achieved it's objective with this round of hostilities.

Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury-lives-in-qatar/

They are rivers, to their people!

Hamas bastards are reneging already.

Hamas - écrasez l'infâme!

Hamas thanks Spend a Penny Wong for the $20m

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 18^th, 2025 at 10:43pm:

There isn't going to be peace between Israel and hamas anyone who thinks peace will happen is delusional.

Agreed.

Trump: “We will continue promoting PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH throughout the region".

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 18th, 2025 at 10:43pm: There isn't going to be peace between Israel and hamas anyone who thinks peace will happen is delusional. Agreed. Trump: “We will continue promoting PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH throughout the region".

Palestinian people did ok last time Trump was president.

https://i.imgur.com/MrRmH4E.jpg

The ceasefire has broken out!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/ceasefire-commences-between-hamas-and-israel/ar-AA1xsirv?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=27f09d9c03424cf9a179c18a49468358&ei=8

"The ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel has commenced.

Sky News host Caleb Bond discusses the “outcomes” of the ceasefire deal and what it could lead to.

“We will have to see whether the outcome of this ceasefire leads to anything else after that,” Mr Bond said.

“This is the first stage … the ceasefire deal that has just come into effect … between Hamas and Israel.”

Waida minute... this is the agreement - not an actual ceasefire!!! I don't expect Hamas to keep the deal anyway.  But three hostages is better than none.... though I doubt the 98 are still alive.... if not - after all the promises - it will be on again.

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Gordon wrote on Jan 19^th, 2025 at 3:26pm:

Hamas has totally achieved it's objective with this round of hostilities. Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury-lives-in-qatar/

Hamas do not care for the people of Palestine. They're nothing more than dictators who seek the destruction of Israel. That is the sole reason for the existence of the terrorist group. They have absolutely no interest in peace with Israel. Unfortunately, it's not like the people of Palestine can vote Hamas out because they control everything and have all the guns.

Here are the Gaza Peacekeepers escorting Israeli hostages back home:-

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Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2025 at 3:26pm: Hamas has totally achieved it's objective with this round of hostilities. Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury-lives-in-qatar/ Hamas do not care for the people of Palestine. They're nothing more than dictators who seek the destruction of Israel. That is the sole reason for the existence of the terrorist group. They have absolutely no interest in peace with Israel. Unfortunately, it's not like the people of Palestine can vote Hamas out because they control everything and have all the guns.

Well, it depends on who.  Remember Yahya Sinwar?  He was killed in a house inside a combat zone in Rafah, holding a rifle,

He was born in a refugee camp in Gaza in 1962.  His family was expelled from their ancestral home, which had now being renamed to an Israeli name.    He resisted the occupation, and was involved in abducting and killing Israeli soldiers.   He spent 22 years in jail for that, until a prisoner exchange during the last Israel Lebanon war.   After returning to Palestine, he used what he learned in jail, and climbed through power structure in HAMAS.   He is a terrorist, he could have just moved to Qatar, and enjoyed the luxury of billionaire.  But he remained to fight to the last second. 

Cant say the same for many of our politicians here at home, who are only too eager to send someone elses child to die in meaningless wars. 

Hamas will not accept a peace deal even if they agree to one, I'll repost this when this deal falls through.

Leroy wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 10:51am:

Hamas will not accept a peace deal even if they agree to one, I'll repost this when this deal falls through.

This is a temporary ceasefire.  The Israeli need this to restock, and reload.   They will be back bombing soon enough, after the hostages are released. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 11:26am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 10:51am: Hamas will not accept a peace deal even if they agree to one, I'll repost this when this deal falls through. This is a temporary ceasefire.  The Israeli need this to restock, and reload.   They will be back bombing soon enough, after the hostages are released.

Today Trump cancelled Biden's sanctions against violent (illegal) WB settlers.

Ofcourse the ceasefire will collapse, as the settlers - supported by the IDF  - are given clarte blanche by Trump to do as they please in the occupied territories.

Now we have the stupid, ideologically-blind Israeli assistant minister for foreign affairs accusing the Oz government of "stoking the fires of anti-semitism" in Oz, because of Oz's pro 2-state stance in the UN (along with the vast majority of nations).

People not blinded by ideology can see loathing of the Israeli government's  policies in Palestine is NOT 'anti-semitism'.

Here in Oz we have ideologically blind  Jews hiding behind the atrocities in the Holocaust to push their claims of "Oz government antisemitism" - while ignoring the extreme RW Israeli government's own atrocities in Palestine (Gaza and the WB)....which even the ICC is investigating.

Ofcourse ideologically blind Muslims in Oz will be motivated to act on the ugly violence against Muslims in Palestine being  commited by the equally ugly RW Israeli government, now supported by Trump.

Deplorable.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 12:35pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:26am: Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 10:51am: Hamas will not accept a peace deal even if they agree to one, I'll repost this when this deal falls through. This is a temporary ceasefire.  The Israeli need this to restock, and reload.   They will be back bombing soon enough, after the hostages are released.  Today Trump cancelled Biden's sanctions against violent (illegal) WB settlers. Ofcourse the ceasefire will collapse, as the settlers - supported by the IDF  - are given clarte blanche by Trump to do as they please in the occupied territories. Now we have the stupid, ideologically-blind Israeli assistant minister for foreign affairs accusing the Oz government of "stoking the fires of anti-semitism" in Oz, because of Oz's pro 2-state stance in the UN (along with the vast majority of nations). People not blinded by ideology can see loathing of the Israeli government's  policies in Palestine is NOT 'anti-semitism'. Here in Oz we have ideologically blind  Jews hiding behind the atrocities in the Holocaust to push their claims of "Oz government antisemitism" - while ignoring the extreme RW Israeli government's own atrocities in Palestine (Gaza and the WB)....which even the ICC is investigating. Ofcourse ideologically blind Muslims in Oz will be motivated to act on the ugly violence against Muslims in Palestine being  commited by the equally ugly RW Israeli government, now supported by Trump. Deplorable.

I'd be more impressed by Muslims here protesting at the treatment of Palestinian civilians by Hamas, using them as human shields, ruling over them in their quest to destroy Israel (yeah, that's gonna happen!).

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 12:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 12:35pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:26am: Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 10:51am: Hamas will not accept a peace deal even if they agree to one, I'll repost this when this deal falls through. This is a temporary ceasefire.  The Israeli need this to restock, and reload.   They will be back bombing soon enough, after the hostages are released.  Today Trump cancelled Biden's sanctions against violent (illegal) WB settlers. Ofcourse the ceasefire will collapse, as the settlers - supported by the IDF  - are given clarte blanche by Trump to do as they please in the occupied territories. Now we have the stupid, ideologically-blind Israeli assistant minister for foreign affairs accusing the Oz government of "stoking the fires of anti-semitism" in Oz, because of Oz's pro 2-state stance in the UN (along with the vast majority of nations). People not blinded by ideology can see loathing of the Israeli government's  policies in Palestine is NOT 'anti-semitism'. Here in Oz we have ideologically blind  Jews hiding behind the atrocities in the Holocaust to push their claims of "Oz government antisemitism" - while ignoring the extreme RW Israeli government's own atrocities in Palestine (Gaza and the WB)....which even the ICC is investigating. Ofcourse ideologically blind Muslims in Oz will be motivated to act on the ugly violence against Muslims in Palestine being  commited by the equally ugly RW Israeli government, now supported by Trump. Deplorable. I'd be more impressed by Muslims here protesting at the treatment of Palestinian civilians by Hamas, using them as human shields, ruling over them in their quest to destroy Israel (yeah, that's gonna happen!).

In Israel, the right wing majority government wanted no two state solution.  They want a greater Israel that expands over Lebanon and Syria.   However, non discriminate violence against innocent civlians have now ensured that this greater Israel dream will be very unlikely. 

Leroy wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2025 at 10:51am:

Hamas will not accept a peace deal even if they agree to one, I'll repost this when this deal falls through.

It will not last.



After Israeli troops stood down when a ceasefire came into effect in the Gaza Strip, Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.

The deployment – envisioned by the agreement that pauses the fighting while the combatants exchange hostages for prisoners – highlights how the US-designated terrorist group remains the dominant power in the territory.  Israel hasn’t been able to destroy the group or empower an alternative.

Hamas punctuated its authority Sunday by parading armed and uniformed militants through the streets flashing V-signs to cheering crowds.

When Hamas transferred the first Israeli hostages to the Red Cross, Arab mediators said they could see fighters from Hamas’s core Nukhba Force unit clad in full military gear and armed.

The open show of force after months of being pushed underground was a signal that aid groups and governments will need to co-operate with Hamas as reconstruction efforts get under way in the coming weeks – an outcome Israel has hoped to prevent.




This is a bit like the Afghan withdrawal - the gruesome are back in control in Gaza.

The speed with which civilians found their uniforms, famine bounced back, and supplies became available for a military parade, weapons, and transportation is nothing short of a miracle. The miracle of the smoke and mirrors show that is Gaza.

https://x.com/Claire_V0ltaire/status/1883188592228565463

Heard on the wahless today a rally of 'nurses and midwives' which condemned the 'genocide' by Israel and suopported the 'Palestinians' (Gazans).

Not sure if that was the association/union - but they sure carried on with the usual silly statements about things happening... clearly rabid left wing anti-Israel.

All these Gazans 'returning from the south' - why didn't they evacuate to the north along the safe corridors Israel set up and protected?  well - two reasons - Hamas prevented them from doing so, and secondly - they wanted to go south and stick with 'their own' who were killing them.

There is no hope for peace in all this.... Hamas/Gaza will strike again with the support of these 'innocents' - they are rebuilding even now and the IDF will have to do it all again when these helpless Gazans attack again.  This time :-

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjMwNzgyMzQxMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzg1ODkwMzE@._V1_.jpg

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2025 at 6:40pm:

Heard on the wahless today a rally of 'nurses and midwives' which condemned the 'genocide' by Israel and suopported the 'Palestinians' (Gazans). Not sure if that was the association/union - but they sure carried on with the usual silly statements about things happening... clearly rabid left wing anti-Israel. All these Gazans 'returning from the south' - why didn't they evacuate to the north along the safe corridors Israel set up and protected?  well - two reasons - Hamas prevented them from doing so, and secondly - they wanted to go south and stick with 'their own' who were killing them. There is no hope for peace in all this.... Hamas/Gaza will strike again - they are rebuilding even now and the IDF will have to do it all again when these helpless Gazans attack again.  This time :- https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjMwNzgyMzQxMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzg1ODkwMzE@._V1_.jpg

The Australian government should give free flights to Gaza and Israel to these idiots so they can tell someone who cares.

They have been fighting for 60 years, its not our problem.

OOPS!  Note:-  They've got a funny idea of 'victory' - they haven't been 'victorious' since they started - and all that means is they are so brainwashed there is zero hope of any peace.  They'll do it all again with Mama's blessing.  Talk about dumb!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hamas-says-8-israeli-hostages-due-to-be-released-are-dead-as-displaced-palestinians-head-home/ar-AA1xVsqQ?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=7ae1559a62684cfba316843556bf7ce2&ei=27

"Eight of the hostages due for release in the first phase of a truce deal between Israel and Gaza are dead, Hamas has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government.

Hamas has provided a long-awaited list of the hostages to be released during the first six-week phase of the Gaza ceasefire agreement, stating that 25 of 33 hostages were alive.

Israeli government spokesman David Mencer confirmed the remaining eight hostages were dead.

"The families have been informed of the situation of their relatives," Mr Mencer told reporters.

That means that of the 26 hostages yet to be freed under the first phase of the agreement, only 18 are still alive.

Seven women have already been freed alive in exchange for more than 290 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails since the ceasefire began on 19 January.

Tel Aviv announced on Sunday that Hamas had agreed to release female civilian Arbel Yehud, female soldier Agam Berger and one other hostage on Thursday.

The news came as tens of thousands of displaced Palestinians streamed along the main roads leading into northern Gaza as Israel opened roadblocks after militant group Hamas agreed to hand over female Israeli hostage Arbel Yehud and two other hostages.

A mass of people, some holding infants in their arms or carrying bundles of belongings on their shoulders, headed north on foot, along a road running by the Mediterranean Sea shore.

Witnesses in northern Gaza said the first residents arrived in Gaza City on Monday morning after the first crossing point in central Gaza opened at 7am, local-time.

"It's like I was born again and we were victorious again," said Palestinian mother, Umm Mohammed Ali, part of the kilometres-long throng that processed slowly up the coastal road.

Another crossing opened around three hours later, letting in vehicles.

Children in warm jackets and carrying backpacks walked hand in hand, men pushed the elderly in wheelchairs and families posed for selfies as Hamas-hired officials in red vests directed them along the coastal road.

Hamas officials and ordinary Gazans have rejected a suggestion from US President Donald Trump that Jordan and Egypt should take in Palestinians from the war-ravaged enclave, rekindling long-standing Palestinian fears about being driven permanently from their homes.

MORE - read on.

Here's what they played on the wahless .. .. all of 20 'nurses' - bloke is hysterical about 'massacres of patients' etc... off the planet...

https://www.3cr.org.au/sticktogether/episode/nurses-midwives-4-palestine

Just scroll down the right hand side under Episodes (well - clearly these are 'episodes' of something), and click on 'listen' - you will hear the traitors speaking loud and clear in their delusions .....

3CR - but it played on JJJ - they are in full support.