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Title: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 10:59pm
Supreme court ruling
If a person accepts a pardon is considered an admission of guilt. They also lose the right to the 5th amendment. A person can reject the pardon to maintain their innocence and 5th amendment rights. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:08pm
Pardons for Fauci etc were pre-emptive not for non-existent crimes TRumpy would use to take his revenge.
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:26pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:08pm:
If they have not committed a crime then what is the pardon for?. When asked if he would give himself a pardon Biden said, why I havent done anything wrong. Trump was also asked if he would give himself a pardon and he answered , Why I haven't committed a crime. This is going to be fun to watch seeing as how this has bought up a few things out of left field. especially Fauci, if he accepts the pardon he can be subpoenaed and not have the 5th amendment right and faces criminal charges if he does not answer every question truthfully. This is if Trump is even interested in whats happening. Lots of stuff coming up from the 2020 election and what dems said about pre emptive pardons when Trump left in 2020. One in particular who is being offered a pardon by Biden said in 2020 that accepting a pardon is accepting guilt. Be interesting to see if he accepts his. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Yadda on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:43pm Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:26pm:
Interesting. In a perfect world..... ......expecting that miscreants [even pardoned ones], would tell the truth, under judicial questioning. ;D 'Tell him he's dreaming!' |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:55pm Yadda wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:43pm:
I doubt that Trump is even interested in what Fauci does, but it does give him an ace up his sleeve should it eventuate. Questioning the pardoned ones would put them in a quandry, lie to protect others and risk committing a crime, got a pardon dont care tell all the dems are screwed for decades. Thats assuming there is anything worth exposing, but it begs the question, why pre emptive pardons when its to protect from a system they have been telling us is blind to politics. We should accept the rule of law, no one is above the law. It seems now its except us, we are above the law. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 5:40am If Fauci is innocent he should welcome a trial where he can clear his name. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:27am Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 5:40am:
It's hard to imagine he'd get a fair trial with the amount of misinformation out there. Especially when you consider that 54% of adults in the US have a literacy below 6th grade level. People who don't have reading skills generally don't have critical thinking skills and they're easily manipulated. Not only are they a danger to the US Republic, but it's terrifying to think they'd be a part of a jury too. But they're Trump's favourite kind of person. Take Bobbi, if he were in a jury he'd have decided Fauci's guilt before the trail even started and would reject any evidence provided that didn't align with that conclusion. So does that mean the 143 people Trump pardoned in his first term, and the 1500 Jan 6th terrorists were also guilty? |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Yadda on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:27am Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:55pm:
I look at this Joe Biden tactic, more, as method of MISDIRECTION [......of public attention]. Away from, 'The' Biden family. e.g. MISDIRECTION...... Like you will see in a fiction crime drama, where a murderer will kill multiple, say 6 people. .....simply in order to hide his/her own direct motive, in killing a particular individual. i.e. And in doing so, ...he/she conceals the identity of his/her real intended victim. JUST LOOK AT......the voluminous number of preemptive presidential pardons. !!!!! i.e. And the [many accusations of] Biden family criminality....... "Nothing to see here. Move on, move on." |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:30am Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:55pm:
The system is blind to politics, but not the other way around. In Trump's post truth White House, if science doesn't align with his version of events, out comes the sharpie. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:03am
TRUMPY WANTS VENGEANCE!
That is why Biden gave Fauci a pre-emptive pardon, protect against persecution dressed up as legal process. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:08am
In the sewer here—a collection of the simplest people—Booby bleats:
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A trial with Trumpy appointed judges would not be a fair trial, that wouldn’t be the purpose of any judicial moves against Fauci. A child could see this, Booby and other simple people can’t. In Fringe there is a 116 page thread where Booby tries to prove Fauci is guilty. No real evidence to that effect is included in that thread. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:11am Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:08am:
It's the Fringe, that's expected. What is scary is that he believes it. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:24am
Yeah.
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:42am
Accepting a pardon is NOT an admission of guilt. This is also the case in the US when you are given a citation by a Police Officer for a traffic infringement - you are asked to sign a form stating you have received it and understand it, but that it is not an admission of any guilt and you can challenge the citation in court if you wish.
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Yadda on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:48am Yadda wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:27am:
@01.50 [re all of these 'unprecedented' presidential pardons] Trump during the election campaign, told America, THAT HE WOULD GIVE THESE PARDONS [J6]. While [in contrast] Joe Biden, told America, THAT HE >> WOULD NOT << GIVE PARDONS TO HIS SON [FAMILY]. @02.30 "Biden 'snouts in the trough', for so long....." Hosts rip Biden for pardoning family MINUTES before leaving office 08 min January 21st, 2025 https://old.bitchute.com/video/XluDp1bH_mA/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluDp1bH_mA Quote:
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 8:22am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:42am:
The supreme court has already ruled on it, you don't have the option of overruling the supreme court. Democrats also said that if anyone accepts a pardon they accept guilt. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by philperth2010 on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 8:26am
Good to see you accept the Jan 6th insurectionists are guilty as charged....So much for these dickheads being innocent!!!
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 10:24am philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 8:26am:
Its not up to me to accept anything, if they accept a pardon they admit guilt. This is a supreme court ruling, I had nothing to do with it. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 10:41am Leroy wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 10:24am:
So they ARE guilty then. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by SerialBrain9 on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 10:55am
Do pardons work if, say, one of those people get extradited to another country to face charges?
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This is just hearsay at the moment - no solid evidence as yet … |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:00am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 10:41am:
I don't know what you want here, they went to court found guilty and sent to jail. Are you trying to argue that they are not guilty. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:04am Leroy wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:00am:
I'm saying they don't deserve to be pardoned or have their sentences commuted. They launched an attack on the core of American democracy and should still be in prison. Trump calls them hostages and patriots. They aren't. The truth is they are criminals and traitors who attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government because they weren't happy with the result of the election. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:09am SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:27am:
Then you're saying that no verdict in a court of law is safe? I'm sure the selection of a jury can account for jurors who are not able to understand technical subjects or if they might be biased. Trump pardoned many people who were guilty of something - however many of them - maybe 99% - just turned up at the capitol and were ushered in by plain clothed FBI agents as part of a false flag operation. All they did was walk along and take some pictures with their mobile phones. That will all come out too before long. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:14am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:04am:
Some do some don't, Trump thinks the do and he has the say. Thats what the people voted for. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by freediver on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:15am
Do they have to decide whether to accept the pardon when it is given?
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:16am freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:15am:
Yes to be valid they have to formally accept the pardon, which the supreme court ruled is an admission of guilt. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:08pm
All the Jan 6th guys were found guilty anyway. Most pled guilty so have already conceded the point. Besides they were on TV at the time. So they have no credible argument otherwise.
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:09pm freediver wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:15am:
I don't think so. They can call on it if charged. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:12pm
The biden pardons are only meant as protection against the US's criminal President taking unfounded action with his weaponized DOJ.
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:15pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:09pm:
Listening to a Fouci interview he had discussions months beforehand with Biden regarding a pardon and when it came about his lawyers were contacted by the whitehouse to ask if he wants to accept a pardon. Normally the pardons are granted after being charged so there has never been a reason to delay them. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:17pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:12pm:
Have you any evidence or examples of weaponization by the DOJ, or have you made that bit up?. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:36pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:09am:
Generally, it has been. But the courts, on all levels, have not in recent times had to face the sort of influence, pressure and control that Trump and his side of politics are trying to exert. Look at Project 2025. It's calling for Restructuring the Department of Justice, Appointing Ideologically Aligned Judges on all levels, Expanding Presidential Authority and Embedding ideologies in Civil Service. And that ignores what Trump and the Republicans have already been doing. It should be something that worried you too. At the moment, with your support of Trump, you're helping to normalise his behaviour, including the abandonment of the Law and seeing revenge. It's fine when it's your guy, but you'd be crying if it was the next Democrat President. But that's the way it always goes. Only one side of politics cares about the ideals the US was founded upon, the other just wants to exploit that for personal gain. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 4:00pm SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:36pm:
Dear Mr Sad, it might help if you quoted my entire text: here in full: Then you're saying that no verdict in a court of law is safe? I'm sure the selection of a jury can account for jurors who are not able to understand technical subjects or if they might be biased. Trump pardoned many people who were guilty of something - however many of them - maybe 99% - just turned up at the capitol and were ushered in by plain clothed FBI agents as part of a false flag operation. All they did was walk along and take some pictures with their mobile phones. That will all come out too before long. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:45pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 5:40am:
Something like 20% of people in prison are innocent. Being innocent is no protection against prison. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:51pm
Its like people think that now that Trump is president all judges will be republican and only maga cult members will be selected for jury duty.
Something else I'm not sure about is white supremacists, what do they actually want, I know power is one thing but what are they going to do with that power, bring back slavery, remove all non whites or send them all to Hawaii. What is the thinking here?. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:58pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:45pm:
I doubt it's 20% ::) More like 0.1% Many people in jail claim they are not guilty of the crime they were imprisoned for but some do admit they committed worse crimes that they were never charged for. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:04pm Leroy wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 3:17pm:
Both Trump and his appointees have promised that this is what they intend to do. Biden would have been foolish to have not believed them. Quote:
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:15pm
Trumps vendetta:
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:23pm |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:26pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:23pm: Most of the far right meetings I have attended were in boardrooms. occasionally another venue like a politicians office. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:27pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:15pm:
You mention Letitia James, her whole political campaign was to go after Trump and put him in jail. She was elected with the intention to jail Trump and stop him from running for president. Can you believe that, a district attorney publicly announcing she is going to tear a mans life apart until she finds a crime. You probably have not even heard of Letitia James and would not be aware of what she did. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Leroy on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:29pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:23pm: see that tree on the right, FBI agent in there, but don't tell anyone. Stop looking at it you drawing attention. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:30pm |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:31pm Leroy wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:29pm:
Trump will fix that. ;) |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:42pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 7:30pm: Well I guess all the hints were there a partner named Donald who is a clown. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Dnarever on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 8:15pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 6:58pm:
They say that it is between 4% and 6% but that partially assumes that they work it out and release some, the reality is a lot more have to serve their full term. Some estimates go up to about 15% Many think this is close to the mark. More internal people with a vested interest seldom find a number over 1% for obvious reasons. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 8:16pm Any hypocrisy here? I'm curious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMyh7ko9L2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c7Beo04c8c |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Mortdooley on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 10:48pm |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:13pm |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by SerialBrain9 on Jan 24th, 2025 at 6:37am Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 11:13pm: The Big Guy forgot to pardon himself… 😉 |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 24th, 2025 at 7:28am Any admission of guilt here? I'm curious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMyh7ko9L2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c7Beo04c8c |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by John Smith on Jan 24th, 2025 at 7:31am Leroy wrote on Jan 22nd, 2025 at 11:26pm:
To protect him from egotistical maniacs |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by chimera on Jan 24th, 2025 at 7:31am Melania is from Slovenia. They pronounce ballot as bullet. She has the correct style of car. |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Bobby. on Jan 24th, 2025 at 7:34am SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 24th, 2025 at 6:37am:
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Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 24th, 2025 at 10:57am Any admission of guilt here? I'm curious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMyh7ko9L2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c7Beo04c8c |
Title: Re: Accepting a pardon is admission of guilt Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 24th, 2025 at 12:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2025 at 8:16pm:
Donald J. Trump is very much for the law and the US Constitution... but only when it suits him or his needs. Because he is who he is (a colossal egomaniac with a horrible orange tan), only he is allowed to pick and choose when to abide by the law and Constitution. No one else is allowed to do so, otherwise they shall be known as "radical". |
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