Without offering any evidence (not that he ever does), Trump has laid the blame for the tragedy over the Potomac River at the Democrats and supposedly their DEI policies. Just when you thought Trump couldn’t go any lower, he does. Well, if we’re going to play that game, Pete Buttigieg got it right when he said that millions of flights were completed safely under the previous administration. Personally, I’d go further to remind Trump and his deranged supporters that this happened on his watch after he has carried out mass firings without any justification.

Story on ABC this morning said that helicopter pilot, who was training with night vision goggles on,  had been instructed to hold . Pilot either didn't listen or missed the instruction and they took off anyway.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:23am:

Without offering any evidence (not that he ever does), Trump has laid the blame for the tragedy over the Potomac River at the Democrats and supposedly their DEI policies. Just when you thought Trump couldn’t go any lower, he does. Well, if we’re going to play that game, Pete Buttigieg got it right when he said that millions of flights were completed safely under the previous administration. Personally, I’d go further to remind Trump and his deranged supporters that this happened on his watch after he has carried out mass firings without any justification.

Citing media reports, Mr Trump said the FAA was actively recruiting workers who “suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website. Can you imagine?

“These are people that are I mean, actually, their lives are shortened because of the stress that they have. Brilliant people have to be in those positions.

“The FAA website states they include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism – all qualify for the position of a controller of airplanes pouring into our country, pouring into a little spot … little runway,” he said.

He rejected the FAA diversity and inclusion hiring plan which said diversity was “integral” to achieving the mission of “ensuring safe and efficient travel.”

“I don’t think so. I don’t think so. I think it’s just the opposite,” he said.

Mr Trump took aim at the Democratic Party’s legacy on aviation safety, taking aim at the former secretary of transportation – Pete Buttigieg – and accusing him of running the Department of Transportation into the ground with diversity initiatives.

Keeping Americans Safe in Aviation
January 21, 2025


Every day, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), within the U.S. Department of Transportation, oversees safety for more than 45,000 flights and 2.9 million airline passengers.  These Americans trust the FAA’s public servants with their lives, and it is therefore imperative that they maintain a commitment to excellence and efficiency.

During the prior administration, however, the FAA betrayed its mission by elevating dangerous discrimination over excellence.  For example, prior to my Inauguration, the FAA Diversity and Inclusion website revealed that the prior administration sought to specifically recruit and hire individuals with serious infirmities that could impact the execution of their essential life-saving duties.

Illegal and discriminatory diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) hiring, including on the basis of race, sex, disability, or any other criteria other than the safety of airline passengers and overall job excellence, competency, and qualification, harms all Americans, who deserve to fly with confidence.  It also penalizes hard-working Americans who want to serve in the FAA but are unable to do so, as they lack a requisite disability or skin color.  FAA employees must hold the qualifications and have the ability to perform their jobs to the highest possible standard of excellence.

I hereby order the Secretary of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administrator to immediately return to non-discriminatory, merit-based hiring, as required by law.  All so-called DEI initiatives, including all dangerous preferencing policies or practices, shall immediately be rescinded in favor of hiring, promoting, and otherwise treating employees on the basis of individual capability, competence, achievement, and dedication.

The Secretary of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administrator shall review the past performance and performance standards of all individuals in critical safety positions and take all appropriate action to ensure that any individual who fails or has failed to demonstrate requisite capability is replaced by a high-capability individual that will ensure top-notch air safety and efficiency.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/keeping-americans-safe-in-aviation/

Trump can, and will, go lower.

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Pisshead Pete's first day on the job in Trump's (liquor) cabinet, and what does he do?

https://assets.mubicdn.net/images/artworks/164525/images-original.png

Nice work, MAGA   ::)

John Smith wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 6:17am:

Story on ABC this morning said that helicopter pilot, who was training with night vision goggles on,  had been instructed to hold . Pilot either didn't listen or missed the instruction and they took off anyway.

He was instructed by ATC to pass behind the AA commercial flight but appears to not have done so.

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 6:24am:

Keeping Americans Safe in Aviation January 21, 2025 Every day, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), within the U.S. Department of Transportation, oversees safety for more than 45,000 flights and 2.9 million airline passengers.  These Americans trust the FAA’s public servants with their lives, and it is therefore imperative that they maintain a commitment to excellence and efficiency. During the prior administration, however, the FAA betrayed its mission by elevating dangerous discrimination over excellence.  For example, prior to my Inauguration, the FAA Diversity and Inclusion website revealed that the prior administration sought to specifically recruit and hire individuals with serious infirmities that could impact the execution of their essential life-saving duties. Illegal and discriminatory diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) hiring, including on the basis of race, sex, disability, or any other criteria other than the safety of airline passengers and overall job excellence, competency, and qualification, harms all Americans, who deserve to fly with confidence.  It also penalizes hard-working Americans who want to serve in the FAA but are unable to do so, as they lack a requisite disability or skin color.  FAA employees must hold the qualifications and have the ability to perform their jobs to the highest possible standard of excellence. I hereby order the Secretary of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administrator to immediately return to non-discriminatory, merit-based hiring, as required by law.  All so-called DEI initiatives, including all dangerous preferencing policies or practices, shall immediately be rescinded in favor of hiring, promoting, and otherwise treating employees on the basis of individual capability, competence, achievement, and dedication. The Secretary of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administrator shall review the past performance and performance standards of all individuals in critical safety positions and take all appropriate action to ensure that any individual who fails or has failed to demonstrate requisite capability is replaced by a high-capability individual that will ensure top-notch air safety and efficiency. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/keeping-americans-safe-in-aviation/

DEI had zero to do with this. It appears to be pilot error by the US Army pilot.

Woke infused Muslim terrorist copter pilot.
Hired via Biden's term.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:23am:

Without offering any evidence (not that he ever does), Trump has laid the blame for the tragedy over the Potomac River at the Democrats and supposedly their DEI policies. Just when you thought Trump couldn’t go any lower, he does. Well, if we’re going to play that game, Pete Buttigieg got it right when he said that millions of flights were completed safely under the previous administration. Personally, I’d go further to remind Trump and his deranged supporters that this happened on his watch after he has carried out mass firings without any justification.

Of course he wont offer up any evidence, he is just deflecting away from his own actions.

The collision quickly raised concerns about the state of air traffic control and oversight and sparked questions about recent leadership changes within the federal agencies charged with regulating air travel.

Just days before the crash, President Donald Trump enacted a sweeping shake-up of the federal agencies responsible for aviation oversight, removing the administrator of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), David Pekoske, and eliminating all the members of a key aviation security advisory group. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which regulates airlines and aircraft manufacturers and manages the nation’s airspace, was also without permanent leadership at the time of the crash, as its top official, Michael Whitaker, stepped down ahead of the new administration’s transition after clashing with Trump ally Elon Musk. Whitaker became the agency’s administrator in October 2023.

I'm not suggesting these sackings had anything to do with this crash, all it shows, once again is trump running for cover and making up lies.
He realy is a truly, truly pathetic manchild.

So the copter pilot blamed Trump and took it out on 26 passengers

It's actually very complicated and automatic systems must have failed in some way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system


A traffic alert and collision avoidance system (TCAS, pronounced /ˈtiːkæs/ TEE-kas), also known as an Airborne Collision Avoidance System (ACAS),[1] is an aircraft collision avoidance system designed to reduce the incidence of mid-air collision (MAC) between aircraft. It monitors the airspace around an aircraft for other aircraft equipped with a corresponding active transponder, independent of air traffic control, and warns pilots of the presence of other transponder-equipped aircraft which may present a threat of MAC. It is a type of airborne collision avoidance system mandated by the International Civil Aviation Organization to be fitted to all aircraft with a maximum take-off mass (MTOM) of over 5,700 kg (12,600 lb) or authorized to carry more than 19 passengers.

Here that, everybody?

Blooby says "it's complicated"


Akin to his position of why he is still in the closet.

Marla wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 7:05am:

Here that, everybody? Blooby says "it's complicated" Akin to his position of why he is still in the closet.

Shut up - pothead.   ::)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdx6le5l27o

Mr Butterworth-Hayes said an in-air collision like this requires a number of things going wrong.

He said that in order to fly in civilian airspace, the military helicopter would have needed to be fitted with a transponder alerting surrounding aircraft to its position.

That means both aircraft should have been able to see each other, he says, plus there would have been instructions from air traffic control and an aircraft protection safety device that operate separately from each other.

"On this occasion, you have these two different systems and both should have been able to keep these aircraft separate."

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 7:20am:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdx6le5l27o Mr Butterworth-Hayes said an in-air collision like this requires a number of things going wrong. He said that in order to fly in civilian airspace, the military helicopter would have needed to be fitted with a transponder alerting surrounding aircraft to its position. That means both aircraft should have been able to see each other, he says, plus there would have been instructions from air traffic control and an aircraft protection safety device that operate separately from each other. "On this occasion, you have these two different systems and both should have been able to keep these aircraft separate."

There were instructions from ATC to the US Army helicopter pilot - he/she was told to pass behind the inbound American Airlines flight. For some reason the helicopter appears to have passed in front and the collision has occurred.

John Smith wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 6:17am:

Story on ABC this morning said that helicopter pilot, who was training with night vision goggles on,  had been instructed to hold . Pilot either didn't listen or missed the instruction and they took off anyway.

It seems that way, but we need to wait until they've recovered the black boxes and we know what happened.

Since Trump has been so quick to assign blame away from himself, I wonder if he'll apologise for politicising the deaths of the people involved if it turns out his gut feeling was wrong?

Yeah, don't bother, we know...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-now-blaming-people-disabilities-171908454.html


During a news conference Thursday, Trump cited a “big push to put diversity into the [Federal Aviation Administration]’s program,” which he insisted happened before his second term began.

“The FAA is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website,” Trump said, citing an “article

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 8:38am:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-now-blaming-people-disabilities-171908454.html During a news conference Thursday, Trump cited a “big push to put diversity into the [Federal Aviation Administration]’s program,” which he insisted happened before his second term began. “The FAA is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website,” Trump said, citing an “article

Just more lies from trump,
As has already been stated, the control tower was understaffed.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 8:38am:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-now-blaming-people-disabilities-171908454.html During a news conference Thursday, Trump cited a “big push to put diversity into the [Federal Aviation Administration]’s program,” which he insisted happened before his second term began. “The FAA is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website,” Trump said, citing an “article

That's complete and utter bullsh!t. I know because I applied for a role as a trainee air traffic controller with Airservices Australia and went through the process. The only reason I didn't complete it is because of a change in family circumstances meant I could not move the family to Melbourne or Brisbane or Sydney any longer. The medical requirements to become an air traffic controller are akin to those required to be a commercial airline pilot. You certainly can't get in if you suffer from "suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical condition". So trust me, this is just more lies from Trump, although it won't matter what I say. His supporters will still believe his uninformed lies over truthful facts.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 8:38am: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-now-blaming-people-disabilities-171908454.html During a news conference Thursday, Trump cited a “big push to put diversity into the [Federal Aviation Administration]’s program,” which he insisted happened before his second term began. “The FAA is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website,” Trump said, citing an “article That's complete and utter bullsh!t. I know because I applied for a role as a trainee air traffic controller with Airservices Australia and went through the process. The only reason I didn't complete it is because of a change in family circumstances meant I could not move the family to Melbourne or Brisbane or Sydney any longer. The medical requirements to become an air traffic controller are akin to those required to be a commercial airline pilot. You certainly can't get in if you suffer from "suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical condition". So trust me, this is just more lies from Trump, although it won't matter what I say. His supporters will still believe his uninformed lies over truthful facts.

But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count -

in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job.

If you educated yourself and read the art of war and the 48 laws of power you would applaud Donald for following the wisdom of these enlightened texts.

Of course you need to sheet home blame and especially when the population is emotional.

Is the lefties intellectual so detached from reality ?

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Pisshead Pete's first day on the job in Trump's (liquor) cabinet, and what does he do?

https://assets.mubicdn.net/images/artworks/164525/images-original.png

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:27am:

If you educated yourself and read the art of war and the 48 laws of power you would applaud Donald for following the wisdom of these enlightened texts. Of course you need to sheet home blame and especially when the population is emotional. Is the lefties intellectual so detached from reality ?

Trump's at war with the people of his own country?

He's meant to unite them and govern for everyone...

He, and you, have your priorities all wrong.

You're blinded by TDS that you're defending the indefensible, AGAIN.

The bodies aren't even cold, or even recovered yet and he's playing the blame game... WHAT!!?

How are you not only OK with this, but saying we should be applauding it!?

What is wrong with you.!?

KangAnon wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: If you educated yourself and read the art of war and the 48 laws of power you would applaud Donald for following the wisdom of these enlightened texts. Of course you need to sheet home blame and especially when the population is emotional. Is the lefties intellectual so detached from reality ? Trump's at war with the people of his own country? He's meant to unite them and govern for everyone... He, and you, have your priorities all wrong. You're blinded by TDS that you're defending the indefensible, AGAIN. The bodies aren't even cold, or even recovered yet and he's playing the blame game... WHAT!!? How are you not only OK with this, but saying we should be applauding it!? What is wrong with you.!?

Timing is critical, another split second and the dems would have been blaming Trump but he beat them and they are flummoxed.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:19am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 8:38am: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-now-blaming-people-disabilities-171908454.html During a news conference Thursday, Trump cited a “big push to put diversity into the [Federal Aviation Administration]’s program,” which he insisted happened before his second term began. “The FAA is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website,” Trump said, citing an “article That's complete and utter bullsh!t. I know because I applied for a role as a trainee air traffic controller with Airservices Australia and went through the process. The only reason I didn't complete it is because of a change in family circumstances meant I could not move the family to Melbourne or Brisbane or Sydney any longer. The medical requirements to become an air traffic controller are akin to those required to be a commercial airline pilot. You certainly can't get in if you suffer from "suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical condition". So trust me, this is just more lies from Trump, although it won't matter what I say. His supporters will still believe his uninformed lies over truthful facts. But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job.

No, you can't. I know because one of the people who I met at the assessment day was an American who was applying for a role here in Australia and we got to talking during the lunch break about the differences between Australia and the US. They have the same requirements as we do.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:27am:

But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job.

I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening.

We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent.

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent.

Air Traffic Control training is vastly different due to the sheer number of lives at stake. It's hardly the same as a government accountant, where the worst that's likely to happen is a paper cut. To become an air traffic controller, you have to undergo intensive training and at a number of points along the way you are assessed/tested and if you fail, you can no longer continue the training. Your supposed training of government staff is nothing compared to this.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:27am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent. Air Traffic Control training is vastly different due to the sheer number of lives at stake. It's hardly the same as a government accountant, where the worst that's likely to happen is a paper cut. To become an air traffic controller, you have to undergo intensive training and at a number of points along the way you are assessed/tested and if you fail, you can no longer continue the training. Your supposed training of government staff is nothing compared to this.

I concede your experience in not passing a training course out ranks my experience then.

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 10:27am: Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent. Air Traffic Control training is vastly different due to the sheer number of lives at stake. It's hardly the same as a government accountant, where the worst that's likely to happen is a paper cut. To become an air traffic controller, you have to undergo intensive training and at a number of points along the way you are assessed/tested and if you fail, you can no longer continue the training. Your supposed training of government staff is nothing compared to this. I concede your experience in not passing a training course out ranks my experience then.

Got nothing better to do than be a troll, eh?  ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:55am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 10:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 10:27am: Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent. Air Traffic Control training is vastly different due to the sheer number of lives at stake. It's hardly the same as a government accountant, where the worst that's likely to happen is a paper cut. To become an air traffic controller, you have to undergo intensive training and at a number of points along the way you are assessed/tested and if you fail, you can no longer continue the training. Your supposed training of government staff is nothing compared to this. I concede your experience in not passing a training course out ranks my experience then. Got nothing better to do than be a troll, eh?  ::)

Crickets not on yet.

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:55am:

I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent.

I doubt a 'Certificate II in stapling' is hardly comparable with the training given to air traffic controllers.  :D :D

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 10:27am: Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent. Air Traffic Control training is vastly different due to the sheer number of lives at stake. It's hardly the same as a government accountant, where the worst that's likely to happen is a paper cut. To become an air traffic controller, you have to undergo intensive training and at a number of points along the way you are assessed/tested and if you fail, you can no longer continue the training. Your supposed training of government staff is nothing compared to this. I concede your experience in not passing a training course out ranks my experience then.

When I got my gun license, out of the 10 of us sitting the written test, only 2 of us passed.  The other 8 failed.

The other guy and I moved out onto the range for the practical portion and 30 minutes later the rest came out to join us.

They were shown there they went wrong with their answers and then allowed to take the same exam again.

Like you story it has nothing to do with ATC training, but I thought I'd share it anyway, like you did.

KangAnon wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 10:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 10:27am: Leroy wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:55am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent. Air Traffic Control training is vastly different due to the sheer number of lives at stake. It's hardly the same as a government accountant, where the worst that's likely to happen is a paper cut. To become an air traffic controller, you have to undergo intensive training and at a number of points along the way you are assessed/tested and if you fail, you can no longer continue the training. Your supposed training of government staff is nothing compared to this. I concede your experience in not passing a training course out ranks my experience then. When I got my gun license, out of the 10 of us sitting the written test, only 2 of us passed.  The other 8 failed. The other guy and I moved out onto the range for the practical portion and 30 minutes later the rest came out to join us. They were shown there they went wrong with their answers and then allowed to take the same exam again. Like you story it has nothing to do with ATC training, but I thought I'd share it anyway, like you did.

Yep and this sort of thing doesn’t happen with ATC training. It’s ALL competency based, meaning your theory and practical assessments are graded and if you fail at any stage, you are let go and now permitted to continue your training. It’s basically too sad, so sad, bye bye. You need to pass each stage of training in order to progress. You don’t get the answers and then allowed to resist the test.

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 9:27am: But your experience is in Australia so it doesn't count - in the USA you could be a bus window licker and still get the job. I have had experience training government staff, it was eye opening. We were told no one fails, I said I can't sign off anyone that is not competent, the response was I only sign off to say they have completed the training. I responded by saying the certificate says "certificate of competency" not completion of training. This was the good bit, they said completing the training makes you competent.

And yet, they managed to find the fire exits, just like you said.

Full marks, leftards. Year 9 maths, innit.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:22pm:

Yep and this sort of thing doesn’t happen with ATC training. It’s ALL competency based, meaning your theory and practical assessments are graded and if you fail at any stage, you are let go and now permitted to continue your training. It’s basically too sad, so sad, bye bye. You need to pass each stage of training in order to progress. You don’t get the answers and then allowed to resist the test.

Don't take this personally OK

James H. Fallon, Ph.D. is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at the University of California gave a speech to a NATCA audience about the brain of an air traffic controller and entertainingly how controllers are similar to psychopaths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxnyxBXWMc&list=WL&index=55

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:27pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31st, 2025 at 3:22pm: Yep and this sort of thing doesn’t happen with ATC training. It’s ALL competency based, meaning your theory and practical assessments are graded and if you fail at any stage, you are let go and now permitted to continue your training. It’s basically too sad, so sad, bye bye. You need to pass each stage of training in order to progress. You don’t get the answers and then allowed to resist the test. Don't take this personally OK James H. Fallon, Ph.D. is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at the University of California gave a speech to a NATCA audience about the brain of an air traffic controller and entertainingly how controllers are similar to psychopaths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxnyxBXWMc&list=WL&index=55

Air Traffic Controllers are selected because they can maintain composure under pressure, have an analytical mind with good problem solving skills and can do quick calculations on things such as distance and speed in their mind. They are confident decision makers, but above all, they are human and humans do make mistakes. It is for that reason we have redundancy in the aviation sector. If one system fails, another kicks in. That's how it's supposed to happen. If an ATC misses something, such as two aircraft getting too close to each other, the backup system (in this case TCAS) kicks in and tells the pilots of those planes what to do without any input needed from ATC. Clearly, something went badly wrong in Washington DC. My guess is that the US Army helicopter pilot will be found to be at fault and I think the request from ATC to the Blackhawk pilot to confirm they had the CRJ in sight was too ambiguous and possibly lead to the pilot misidentifying the aircraft, causing the collision. I think also, the Blackhawk needed another crew chief for an extra set of eyes. As with all incidents in aviation, it's usually a combination of factors that leads to a fatal incident, not any one thing.

https://i.imgur.com/R9YIxrS.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAk-JzXIuj4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUMM3Q0x0_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msop1APHt3E

https://i.imgur.com/kcWDdj7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/R9YIxrS.jpg

Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower

Actually, I've never thought that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 5:43pm:

Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower Actually, I've never thought that.

When they go low, he goes high, Greggery.

Don't say that to Don Jnr, dear.

DL's got him back on his ADHD meds, so he should be good for now.

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 6:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 5:43pm: Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower Actually, I've never thought that. When they go low, he goes high, Greggery. Don't say that to Don Jnr, dear. DL's got him back on his ADHD meds, so he should be good for now.

He's not as bad as Stalin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 7:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 6:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 5:43pm: Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower Actually, I've never thought that. When they go low, he goes high, Greggery. Don't say that to Don Jnr, dear. DL's got him back on his ADHD meds, so he should be good for now. He's not as bad as Stalin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Oh, I don't know, Stalin did some good things too, Bobbi - like Hitler. How do we know?

DL said.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 7:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 6:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 5:43pm: Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower Actually, I've never thought that. When they go low, he goes high, Greggery. Don't say that to Don Jnr, dear. DL's got him back on his ADHD meds, so he should be good for now. He's not as bad as Stalin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Give him another six months.

https://i.redd.it/mow674s799ee1.gif

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 7:21pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 6:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 5:43pm: Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower Actually, I've never thought that. When they go low, he goes high, Greggery. Don't say that to Don Jnr, dear. DL's got him back on his ADHD meds, so he should be good for now. He's not as bad as Stalin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge Give him another six months. https://i.redd.it/mow674s799ee1.gif

Hitler had a much smaller purge -

the night of the long knives.

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Just when you think Trump can’t go any lower

Surely nobody ever thought that ?

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:27pm:

about the brain of an air traffic controller and entertainingly how controllers are similar to psychopaths.

There was a test for voting for president. Almost half (49.9%) failed and voted for a child. The brains of Use By America are similar to birds flying into aircraft engines.

So Trump is Commander in Chief of the US Army and Navy.
Which means the helicopter pilot was employed by Trump.

Why is it then that Trump has no control over the actions of
his staff?  Does he not care if they act in a manner contrary
to the safety of the public?  Will he admit the possibility that
hundreds of people he employs may be incompetent, and if
so why hasn't he fired them?

https://i.postimg.cc/pVqLhMtm/cbr013025dapc-1.jpg

Welcome back Geoff.

Good to see you posting again after such a long absence.

Now, I'm just waiting for Sir Nail to come along and welcome you back because he was trying to say for months that your 'disappearance' was caused by the Covid vaccines.

He 'hinted' at it many times, here's a few examples:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725591032/3#3

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1727159767/29#29

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1580611988/1559#1559

:)

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 11:14pm:

So Trump is Commander in Chief of the US Army and Navy. Which means the helicopter pilot was employed by Trump. Why is it then that Trump has no control over the actions of his staff?  Does he not care if they act in a manner contrary to the safety of the public?  Will he admit the possibility that hundreds of people he employs may be incompetent, and if so why hasn't he fired them? https://i.postimg.cc/pVqLhMtm/cbr013025dapc-1.jpg

That's enough retarded faggotry.

When he did fire them, you TDS kids were kvetching about that.

How much complaining is in you?  Limitless.

Frank wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 9:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 1st, 2025 at 11:14pm: So Trump is Commander in Chief of the US Army and Navy. Which means the helicopter pilot was employed by Trump. Why is it then that Trump has no control over the actions of his staff?  Does he not care if they act in a manner contrary to the safety of the public?  Will he admit the possibility that hundreds of people he employs may be incompetent, and if so why hasn't he fired them? https://i.postimg.cc/pVqLhMtm/cbr013025dapc-1.jpg That's enough retarded faggotry. When he did fire them, you TDS kids were kvetching about that. How much complaining is in you?  Limitless.

Someone slips on a banana peel in New York so the Democrats blame Trump.