Once again, Trump shows what a colossal ignoramus he really is. He is blaming Ukraine for starting the war with Russia and says Ukraine never should have started it. Just what alternate reality is this moron living in? Is he serious? I have never heard something so monumentally stupid come out of his mouth, and that's saying something because hardly a day goes by without him saying something so stupid it beggars belief! He then goes on with some ridiculous fantasy where he claims he could have made a deal (what is with him and deals?) that would have seen Ukraine keep "almost" all of their land. I never thought Trump possessed even below average intelligence, but his latest comments just serve to prove he lacks any intelligence whatsoever! I don't know if he has dementia or some genuine mental illness, but no one in their right mind could ever claim that Ukraine started this war with Russia. Why would they? It would be like New Zealand declaring war on China. I honestly think Trump needs to be relieved of his presidency as he is clear mentally unfit to hold that office.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-blackmail-during-munich-trip-to-meet-zelensky/news-story/ef357b1f89a69700f2fdc8d3f234d935

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaneMNcVXI

I wonder what shitbuggerery will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this...

At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways.

I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next.

We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it?

Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining.

I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off.

But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything.

I guess he thinks Poland shouldn't have started WWII by invading Germany   ::)

Such a clueless moron.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:47am:

I guess he thinks Poland shouldn't have started WWII by invading Germany   ::) Such a clueless moron.

His comments on this really are indefensible, but you know what the worst, saddest, most pathetic and/or insane part of all this is? His deranged MAGA cult members will agree with him 110% despite there not being a shred of truth in it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:47am: I guess he thinks Poland shouldn't have started WWII by invading Germany   ::) Such a clueless moron. His comments on this really are indefensible, but you know what the worst, saddest, most pathetic and/or insane part of all this is? His deranged MAGA cult members will agree with him 110% despite there not being a shred of truth in it.

Yep, that's exactly right.

Whatever the dear leader says is true.

But hey, it's not a cult.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:51am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaneMNcVXI I wonder what shitbuggerery will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this... At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways. I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next. We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it? Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining. I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off. But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything.

I feel desperately sorry for the people of Ukraine with Trump and his team of lunatics running the show now. They are going to be so monumentally screwed by Trump that they don't even know it. Think of the worst possible outcome, no matter how outlandish it may seem, and that's probably going to be the outcome for the people of Ukraine. But even then, Trump will congratulate himself on being the best deal maker in history and his MAGA cult nutjobs will be falling over themselves believing it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:01am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaneMNcVXI I wonder what shitbuggerery will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this... At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways. I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next. We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it? Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining. I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off. But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything. I feel desperately sorry for the people of Ukraine with Trump and his team of lunatics running the show now. They are going to be so monumentally screwed by Trump that they don't even know it. Think of the worst possible outcome, no matter how outlandish it may seem, and that's probably going to be the outcome for the people of Ukraine. But even then, Trump will congratulate himself on being the best deal maker in history and his MAGA cult nutjobs will be falling over themselves believing it.

There do have the option of keep fighting Russia until there is no one left.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:01am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaneMNcVXI I wonder what shitbuggerery will be employed (can't say "tactics" otherwise Frank will have a meltdown), to defend this... At first, I thought they’d scramble to claim that Trump didn’t actually mean what he said, or that we all somehow misunderstood him. But that excuse is off the table, after all, he’s endlessly worshipped as the guy who “tells it like it is.” You can’t have it both ways. I wonder what desperate mental gymnastics they’ll resort to next. We already know they won’t admit he’s either openly siding with Russia or too catastrophically stupid to grasp the reality of the situation. That doesn’t leave many alternatives, does it? Watching them contort themselves to justify this will be entertaining. I suppose we’re expected to take his words in a vacuum, conveniently ignoring little details, like Jr’s post-election jab about Zelensky having just 38 days left before his allowance gets cut off. But sure, let’s all pretend none of that means anything. I feel desperately sorry for the people of Ukraine with Trump and his team of lunatics running the show now. They are going to be so monumentally screwed by Trump that they don't even know it. Think of the worst possible outcome, no matter how outlandish it may seem, and that's probably going to be the outcome for the people of Ukraine. But even then, Trump will congratulate himself on being the best deal maker in history and his MAGA cult nutjobs will be falling over themselves believing it. There do have the option of keep fighting Russia until there is no one left.

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:41am:

Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin.

OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that.

What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:41am: Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin. OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that. What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?.

First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:25pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:41am: Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin. OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that. What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?. First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries.

So what is the priority here.

If Ukraine are going to join NATO then Putin is going to keep fighting.

If NATO put a peace keeping force in Ukraine then they will also keep the war going.

Russia is going to stop NATO from having any military influence in Ukraine, they will not negotiate on that matter.

Whats more important here, get NATO into Ukraine (prepare for the consequences of that) or to stop Ukrainians from being killed.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 12:25pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:41am: Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin. OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that. What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?. First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries. So what is the priority here. If Ukraine are going to join NATO then Putin is going to keep fighting. If NATO put a peace keeping force in Ukraine then they will also keep the war going. Russia is going to stop NATO from having any military influence in Ukraine, they will not negotiate on that matter. Whats more important here, get NATO into Ukraine (prepare for the consequences of that) or to stop Ukrainians from being killed.

Why do you support Russia? :-?

It's weird logic - it appears to be victim blaming?


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5151545-trump-ukraine-zelensky-war-russia/

Trump says Zelensky ‘should have never started’ war with Russia

by Brett Samuels - 02/18/25 6:03 PM ET

President Trump on Tuesday appeared to blame Ukraine’s leaders for the three-year war with Russia, arguing Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “should have never started it.”

Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, after massing troops on the border and demanding a ban on Ukraine ever joining the NATO alliance. The invasion took place nearly a decade after Russia took over Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

Trump vowed to end the war during his presidential campaign and on Tuesday repeated his claim that the war would never have started if he had been president. He spoke after U.S. and Russian officials met in Saudi Arabia without Ukraine officials.

“I think I have the power to end this war. And I think it’s going very well,” Trump told reporters at Mar-a-Lago on the heels of the meeting between U.S. and Russian officials.

“But today I heard, ‘Oh, well we weren’t invited.’ Well, you’ve been there for three years,” Trump continued. “You should’ve ended it in three years. You should have never started it. You could have made a deal. I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way.”

Not only did Trump claim Ukraine started the war the US is also blackmailing Ukraine into signing over critical resources for their support....Ukraine will never accept the terms of the deal so what then....Trump will end the war and Ukraine???

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-blackmail-during-munich-trip-to-meet-zelensky/news-story/ef357b1f89a69700f2fdc8d3f234d935

Quote:

bobby It's weird logic - it appears to be victim blaming?

Like claiming he never had sex with horse face despite paying her a hundred thousand dollars....Trump doesn't worry about the facts or the truth, just ask Aqua who thinks it is admirable to be a liar and a cheat???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:17pm:

Not only did Trump claim Ukraine started the war the US is also blackmailing Ukraine into signing over critical resources for their support....Ukraine will never accept the terms of the deal so what then....Trump will end the war and Ukraine??? :-? :-? :-? https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-blackmail-during-munich-trip-to-meet-zelensky/news-story/ef357b1f89a69700f2fdc8d3f234d935

Ummmm?

Trump said -

The American President, speaking to reporters at his Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago, laid the blame for the war at Ukraine’s feet, arguing that its President Volodymyr Zelensky should have given Russia chunks of his country’s territory in an effort to stave off the invasion.

“I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it’s going very well. But today I heard, ‘Oh we weren’t invited.’ Well you’ve been there for three years,” Mr Trump said.

“You should have ended it three years (ago). You should have never started it. You could have made a deal,” he added.

“I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land. And no people would have been killed. No city would have been demolished. Not one home would have been knocked down.

“But they chose not to do it that way.”

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:11pm:

It's weird logic - it appears to be victim blaming?

A mixture of dementia and sucking Putin's balls.

So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators?

Does he remember Neville Chamberlain?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:08pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 12:25pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:41am: Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin. OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that. What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?. First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries. So what is the priority here. If Ukraine are going to join NATO then Putin is going to keep fighting. If NATO put a peace keeping force in Ukraine then they will also keep the war going. Russia is going to stop NATO from having any military influence in Ukraine, they will not negotiate on that matter. Whats more important here, get NATO into Ukraine (prepare for the consequences of that) or to stop Ukrainians from being killed. Why do you support Russia? :-?

Wanting to see an end to the killings is supporting Russia, then why are you not supporting Russia to stop the killings.

Why do you want more people killed?.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:23pm:

So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators? Does he remember Neville Chamberlain?

You have two choices, stop the killing or continue with the killing, you may want to let people die over a piece of land in the Ukraine but its not you thats going to the war zone and getting killed.

I'm betting that next week putin will go on russian tv to announce a new resort to be built on what was Ukrainian territory. With the orange oompa loompa nodding in the background :D :D

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:23pm: So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators? Does he remember Neville Chamberlain? You have two choices, stop the killing or continue with the killing, you may want to let people die over a piece of land in the Ukraine but its not you thats going to the war zone and getting killed.

But it's a bit like Neville isn't it?

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:23pm: So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators? Does he remember Neville Chamberlain? You have two choices, stop the killing or continue with the killing, you may want to let people die over a piece of land in the Ukraine but its not you thats going to the war zone and getting killed.

why is russia not withdrawing a choice?  Why are you so eager to appease a bully? :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:33pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:23pm: So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators? Does he remember Neville Chamberlain? You have two choices, stop the killing or continue with the killing, you may want to let people die over a piece of land in the Ukraine but its not you thats going to the war zone and getting killed. why is russia not withdrawing a choice?  Why are you so eager to appease a bully? :D :D :D

Because he has the upper hand, I don't want to appease Putin, I would prefer to see him dead. But he has the choice of withdrawing but is not going to utilize that option. I can't make him withdraw. So unless Ukraine can make him withdraw I don't think he will and I don't think Ukraine can make him.

Zelensky can negotiate a end to the war, I know it won't be on terms he likes but as I said before what is the priority here, lives or land. If it is land then you don't have to pay attention to Trump and continue with the war, Trump can't make Zelensky do anything he can only try to stop the killing. He can't make Russia do what Zelensky wants.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Because he has the upper hand,

bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:23pm:

So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators?

Of course, and he wants to get in on the action.

Canada, Greenland, Panama Canal, etc.

John Smith wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:48pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame.

All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

you got him there  :D ;D

I feel sorry for people of Ukraine, they are the biggest losers in all of this. 

It is the UK and USA that opened the door for Ukraine to join NATO, despite Russian warning them not to cross this red line.  (see my very early posts at the start of the war for details).   In the eve of the invasion, Boris Johnson, the then UK prime minister flew to Ukraine with full backing of the Western world.  And the rest is history.

Now, Biden is gone, Johnson is long gone.

Within one US election, suddenly, its the Ukrainian is at fault for starting the war!   And now, the US and Russia is dividing up the country without Ukraine or European representation.  The US wanted the vast rare earth mineral reserve (50%), and it also now has control of Ukrainian infrastructure like utilities.   The Russians is going to get vast amount of Ukrainian land and people. 

And above all, how can any country - including Russia be sure if the peace deal will be honoured?  If someone else gets  elected in 4 years time, will he/she do a back flip once again? 

We are entering an era of uncertainty.   Buckle up boys. 

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Its being accounted for.  Another election means he will be ousted one way or another.  Or.. he run the risk of ... falling from a window... in a windowless building. 

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Scott Ritter says that Zelensky is a druggie:


"Zelensky is a DRUGGED out mess and he is finished" Fmr. US Marine Scott Ritter | Redacted News


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJ9YHRQ2E8

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:41pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 2:00pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then. Scott Ritter says that Zelensky is a druggie: "Zelensky is a DRUGGED out mess and he is finished" Fmr. US Marine Scott Ritter | Redacted News

Where do you find these lunatics, Bobbi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06GkT6mx04

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

Once again, Trump shows what a colossal ignoramus he really is. He is blaming Ukraine for starting the war with Russia and says Ukraine never should have started it. Just what alternate reality is this moron living in? Is he serious? I have never heard something so monumentally stupid come out of his mouth, and that's saying something because hardly a day goes by without him saying something so stupid it beggars belief! He then goes on with some ridiculous fantasy where he claims he could have made a deal (what is with him and deals?) that would have seen Ukraine keep "almost" all of their land. I never thought Trump possessed even below average intelligence, but his latest comments just serve to prove he lacks any intelligence whatsoever! I don't know if he has dementia or some genuine mental illness, but no one in their right mind could ever claim that Ukraine started this war with Russia. Why would they? It would be like New Zealand declaring war on China. I honestly think Trump needs to be relieved of his presidency as he is clear mentally unfit to hold that office. https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-blackmail-during-munich-trip-to-meet-zelensky/news-story/ef357b1f89a69700f2fdc8d3f234d935

Now now, Armchair, that's unfair. None of this would have happened if Zalensky had just quietly surrendered, as he was asked to do.

Of course, Sleepy Joe bears some responsibility too. The stupid old fool should have kept America and Europe out of it, it's none of their business.

DEEP STATE !!!

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:23pm: So Trump believes in appeasement to dictators? Of course, and he wants to get in on the action. Canada, Greenland, Panama Canal, etc.

The same goes for them, Greggery. They have no right to complain.

They should be grateful DL wants to invite them into the USA and leave it at that.

Why must the left lie?

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 1:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:08pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 12:25pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:41am: Yeah, now you're just being a troll. You do realise that real people are dying, right? I know of a Ukrainian family living in my town right now while the father/husband fights the Russians back in Ukraine. They don't know if they'll return home one day to him being alive or dead, and it's all because of a murderous lunatic called Putin. OK then you tell me how this war should end and how they will achieve that. What is your priority here is it to stop the killings or is it to recover land?. First and foremost, Ukraine MUST be involved in any negotiations regarding the cessation of hostilities. Why? Because they're the ones who have to live with whatever the agreement may be, not Trump or his MAGA cult members. The people of Ukraine don't care what Trumps' poll numbers are or will be. Ukraine did not start this war - they are the victims, not Putin. They just want to live in peace. Ukraine must be granted NATO membership, so that this can never happen again. There will need to be an European-led international peace keeping force for some years to ensure Russia stays out of Ukraine and doesn't attempt to invade any neighbouring countries. So what is the priority here. If Ukraine are going to join NATO then Putin is going to keep fighting. If NATO put a peace keeping force in Ukraine then they will also keep the war going. Russia is going to stop NATO from having any military influence in Ukraine, they will not negotiate on that matter. Whats more important here, get NATO into Ukraine (prepare for the consequences of that) or to stop Ukrainians from being killed. Why do you support Russia? :-? Wanting to see an end to the killings is supporting Russia, then why are you not supporting Russia to stop the killings. Why do you want more people killed?.

I support the right of Ukraine to defend itself against an illegal and unjustified Russian invasion. I support Ukraine in its fight against Russian war crimes. Why do you continue to support Russia, the aggressor?

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:11pm:

I feel sorry for people of Ukraine, they are the biggest losers in all of this.  It is the UK and USA that opened the door for Ukraine to join NATO, despite Russian warning them not to cross this red line.  (see my very early posts at the start of the war for details).   In the eve of the invasion, Boris Johnson, the then UK prime minister flew to Ukraine with full backing of the Western world.  And the rest is history. Now, Biden is gone, Johnson is long gone. Within one US election, suddenly, its the Ukrainian is at fault for starting the war!   And now, the US and Russia is dividing up the country without Ukraine or European representation.  The US wanted the vast rare earth mineral reserve (50%), and it also now has control of Ukrainian infrastructure like utilities.   The Russians is going to get vast amount of Ukrainian land and people.  And above all, how can any country - including Russia be sure if the peace deal will be honoured?  If someone else gets  elected in 4 years time, will he/she do a back flip once again?  We are entering an era of uncertainty.   Buckle up boys.

The possibility of NATO membership only came about after Russia illegally annexed Crimea in their first invasion of Ukraine. Too many people seem to forget that NATO is a defensive organisation only. Its charter specifically says this.

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out
by the United Nations over 3 years ago.
Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it?
He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything
happening at the UN.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

I support the right of Ukraine to defend itself against an illegal and unjustified Russian invasion. I support Ukraine in its fight against Russian war crimes. Why do you continue to support Russia, the aggressor?

My support won't help Ukraine or Russia, my only wish is that they stop killing people, you can prattle on all you like about who is to blame who should do what and abuse Trump all you like but you have nothing when it comes to how to handle the situation. If Zelensky wants to get a peace deal on his terms then I'm OK with that, but Putin also wants to get a deal under his terms. You just have to work out how many lives you are willing to sacrifice to achieve to that end.

The world is not fair, sometimes you just have to take what you can get and if you leave it too late you might get even less.

I'm puzzled as to why you want to see more people killed.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

he could have made a deal  that would have seen Ukraine keep "almost" all of their land.

This is excellent. From here, Trump can donate 30% of US industrial production to China, 15% of land area to Venezuelan migrants and Canada gets California.  Philippines, Taiwan easy. Hawaii is a beautiful Chinese water-front tourist development. MAGA.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

Once again, Trump shows what a colossal ignoramus he really is. He is blaming Ukraine for starting the war with Russia and says Ukraine never should have started it. Just what alternate reality is this moron living in? Is he serious? I have never heard something so monumentally stupid come out of his mouth, and that's saying something because hardly a day goes by without him saying something so stupid it beggars belief! He then goes on with some ridiculous fantasy where he claims he could have made a deal (what is with him and deals?) that would have seen Ukraine keep "almost" all of their land. I never thought Trump possessed even below average intelligence, but his latest comments just serve to prove he lacks any intelligence whatsoever! I don't know if he has dementia or some genuine mental illness, but no one in their right mind could ever claim that Ukraine started this war with Russia. Why would they? It would be like New Zealand declaring war on China. I honestly think Trump needs to be relieved of his presidency as he is clear mentally unfit to hold that office. https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-press-accuses-us-officials-of-blackmail-during-munich-trip-to-meet-zelensky/news-story/ef357b1f89a69700f2fdc8d3f234d935

You're obviously not good at Poker and neither is Putin.

Trump at card table 'Hey I've got some doozies, ace of diamonds and hearts and three duds.  Here we go, Vlad'.
Vlad ' (silent)' collects pile of chips.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN.

It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

chimera wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 6:24pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

How should it have been solved over the last 3 years?.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm: My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN. It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years?

I am only trying to see who's at fault here?

Why did Putin have so little trust in the UN that he bypassed them
and went straight into a murderous war?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 7:40pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm: My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN. It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? I am only trying to see who's at fault here? Why did Putin have so little trust in the UN that he bypassed them and went straight into a murderous war?

Trying to look at both sides will put you on the supporting Russia list.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 7:51pm:

Trying to look at both sides will put you on the supporting Russia list.

There is a lot of history we are not told in the West:


https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa-union-building/


Ukrainian rightists burn alive 39 at Odessa union building

May 5, 2014 3:12 PM CDT  By John Wojcik



Some 1,000 Ukrainian rightists, led by the notorious Right Sector, surrounded, stormed, and burned the House of Trade Unions in Odessa last Friday, killing 39 pro-Russia demonstrators in the building.

On their way to attacking the union hall, which was occupied by anti-Kiev government demonstrators fearing for their lives, the rightists recruited members of a Ukrainian football club, the Chernomorets, according to numerous reports in the European press and on line.

Many of those who attacked and burned the building wore swastikas and other fascist insignias, according to observers. Eye witnesses said that the fascists were armed with bats, shields, and metal chains and that the people inside the union hall had run there for protection from them. After the attack by the rightists streets around the trade union headquarters were reportedly stained with the blood of those who had jumped from windows to escape the flames.

Women and children were reported to be among those burned alive after initial rounds of shots and Molotov cocktails were thrown into the building by the right wingers.

More:

https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer

The armed conflict in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014.
Between then and early 2022, it had already  killed over 14,000 people.

Over the course of eight years, Ukrainian government forces fought  Russian-backed separatists for control over much of the two heavily industrialised regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, also known as Donbas. Fierce battles in 2014-2015 ended with one third of the regions’ territory, its most urbanised part, occupied by two Russian proxy statelets, the  self-described Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. Between September 2014 and February 2015, Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany signed several iterations of the so-called Minsk agreements, which eventually stopped the forward movement of troops and reduced fighting significantly. But the agreements were never implemented, and the fighting transformed into a trench war, with roughly 75,000 troops facing off along a 420-km-long front line cutting through densely populated areas. The war ruined the area’s economy and heavy industries, forced millions to relocate and turned the conflict zone into one of the world’s most mine-contaminated areas.

This visual explainer shows both the human cost of the war from 2014-early 2022 and the relationships between diplomatic efforts at de-escalation and patterns of fighting and loss of life.

Every day there are a handful of new clear lies from Donald but the faithful just keep bobbling along oblivious to the world around them just not caring that their emperor has no clothes and a bad dye job.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 4:57pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump.

Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today.

All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 8:41pm:

Every day there are a handful of new clear lies from Donald but the faithful just keep bobbling along oblivious to the world around them just not caring that their emperor has no clothes and a bad dye job.

You are an idiot, duckwit. If there was no Trump your life would simply end - there is nothing in it besides deranged seething duckwittery.  Your life IS about Trump, nothing else.
Ditto creepy gweggy shite, sad ****, paki and a few others. Your hate and resentment is all there is to you, deranged, unmoored ratbags.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 8:45pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024.

Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?.

So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position.

Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:21pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?. So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is.

If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out.

At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?. So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is. Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position. Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit) If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out. At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed.

With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:51pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?. So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is. Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position. Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit) If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out. At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed. With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ?

Because Trump knows its insanity to keep doing the same thing and letting more people die is stupid. The land has gone, not because of Trump or what he said but because thats how it goes. You seem to want to take the Hamas option of everlasting war to be right.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/europe-eyes-unprecedented-eur700-billion-military-aid-plan-for-ukraine-5981

Europe Eyes Unprecedented €700 Billion Military Aid Plan for Ukraine


Feb 18, 2025

The European Union is reportedly working on a multi-billion-euro defense package to support Ukraine’s war effort, with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock hinting at the sheer scale of the upcoming package, suggesting it could be worth around $732.2 billion (€700 billion), German media Berliner Zeitung reported on February 18.

However, EU leaders recognize the sensitivity of the plan. According to Bloomberg, the spending initiative will only be announced after Germany’s regional elections on February 23 to avoid controversy before the vote.

Select European heads of state met in Paris on Monday to coordinate their response after U.S. officials urged Europe to take concrete action.

“We will launch a large package, the likes of which we have never seen before,” Baerbock told Bloomberg during the Munich Security Conference.

“Just as we had a financial package for the euro crisis or COVID-19, we now need one for European security. This will happen soon.”

Speaking on Bloomberg Television, Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Sakaliene stressed that Europe must prepare for a dramatic shift in its security landscape:

“Realization that it’s not the U.S. which will defend Europe, but Europe defending ourselves with help from the U.S. means we will all have to move fast, Germany included,” he said.

Baerbock added that peace can only be achieved through strength, stating that “this requires hard and long-term security guarantees for Ukraine, a strong NATO, and progress in Ukraine’s EU accession talks.”

“As Europeans and as Germans, we stand firmly with Ukraine—militarily, humanitarianly, and financially. Since Russia’s full-scale invasion, we, Europeans, have provided over $140.16 billion (€134 billion) in aid to Ukraine, with Germany contributing nearly $46 billion (€44 billion) alone.”

Baerbock further stressed that Europe’s unity is its greatest strength, stating:

“Despite our differences, we move forward together—from Paris to Munich. As Europeans, we must take greater responsibility for our own security. Given the existential threat we face, a major collective effort is required to safeguard our peace and prosperity.”

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?. So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is. Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position. Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit) If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out. At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed. With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ? Because Trump knows its insanity to keep doing the same thing and letting more people die is stupid. The land has gone, not because of Trump or what he said but because thats how it goes. You seem to want to take the Hamas option of everlasting war to be right.

Can you link that to the need for Trump to lie about it and the reason you support the lies ?

Seems to me that if it was the one in a million possibility this is what he believed that is what he would have said? Why make up lies when this faux truth you made up would have been much better?

When he does lie why blindly support his lies ?


Quote:

You seem to want to take the Hamas option

When on the back foot with no real answer just throw in a red herring to muddy the waters. Next it will be that it is woke. Maybe Dr Seuss

Maybe try to get Frank in to spew his mandatory barrage of childish insults.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 10:34pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 10:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:51pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:48pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:21pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?. So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is. Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position. Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble. (updated edit) If you want be tough then you tell Putin to get out or you will kick him out. Then you have to prepared to carry that out. At the moment the rest of the world is hiding under the bed. With all your dishonest waffle have you got around to saying why you support Trump's obvious lies on the topic ? Because Trump knows its insanity to keep doing the same thing and letting more people die is stupid. The land has gone, not because of Trump or what he said but because thats how it goes. You seem to want to take the Hamas option of everlasting war to be right. Can you link that to the need for Trump to lie about it and the reason you support the lies ? Seems to me that if it was the one in a million possibility this is what he believed that is what he would have said? Why make up lies when this faux truth you made up would have been much better? When he does lie why blindly support his lies ? Quote: You seem to want to take the Hamas option When on the back foot with no real answer just throw in a red herring to muddy the waters. Next it will be that it is woke. Maybe Dr Seuss Maybe try to get Frank in to spew his mandatory barrage of childish insults.

Yes I have a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSbz_H-IF_w

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN.

Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference.

Just ask Great.

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 11:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm: My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN. Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference. Just ask Great.

It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 9:21pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 8:45pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:57pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:54pm: It's easy to regurgitate the party line, but how should it have been solved over the last 3 years? Your only interest in Ukraine is how much you can blame on Trump. Before the election the right was using it to blame Biden but the left were still supporting Ukraine exactly the same as today. All along the right have been supporting Putin just because he is Trumps friend who helped get him elected in 2016 and 2024. Thats the problem, what have they achieved in that three years, are they expecting by doing the same thing they will get a different result?. So just give Ukraine to Russia and support the crazy Dictator and then wonder who he invades next while the the rest of the world is hiding under the bed - Great plan that one is. Also remember that Ukraine have held Russia at bay for 3 years - People said it would be 3 days and the filthy republicans blocked arms supply for a long time when Ukraine were in a stronger position. Between the crazy dictator in Russia and the crazy dictator in the US the would is in a heap of trouble.

no

just like the finns in 1940, fight like hell, halt the russians, give up a bit of territory , sign a peace deal ASAP and get on with creating a vibrant economy

this is impossible for the ukraine now

their young people are all gone

the beneficiaries are the blob in the united states.

they get to have the american raxpayer pay for 200 billion in old inventory and they dont pay a price at home because not one american has been killed.
and they get to do a deal with whats left of the ukraine to provide security in exchange for the uktaines mineral wealth.

cadaver biden was unaware but thats how he was "played"

Leroy wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then.

Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up.  If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely.  Russia wants to be considered a superpower. :D The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:10am:

It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

The UN became a farce as soon as they gave veto power to ANYONE. Not just Russia and China.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:10am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm: My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN. Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference. Just ask Great. It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records.

The question is -
why did Putin not even try to use the UN?

If it was true that Ukrainians were burning people alive and shelling innocent people in
the disputed territories then the whole world would have been on his side.

Trump Signals U.S. Ready To Forgive Ukraine For Invading Russia

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Once again willing to be the bigger man, President Trump has signaled that the United States is ready to forgive Ukraine for their ruthless invasion of Russia.

"You never should have started it, Ukraine" said Trump. "I always tell people to never fight uphill, but no one ever listens. But I guess we all make mistakes."

Trump's understanding tone was complemented by a late-night post on Truth Social in which he signaled forgiveness may be just around the corner.

EVEN THOUGH UKRAINE INVADED RUSSIA COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE PAST WHO INVADED WHO AND HAVE PEACE!!! WE DO NOT HOLD GRUDGES LIKE SLEEPY JOE....WE WILL MAKE A GREAT PEACE AND HAVE A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR RUSSIA AND UKRAINE LIVING IN HARMONY!!

Though some in Ukraine stated that they were fairly sure Russia invaded them, diplomats stated it was time to simply move on and accept Trump's kind offer of forgiveness.

At publishing time, Trump had asked Zelensky to please do the right thing and just call Putin to say "I'm sorry."

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 2:00pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then. Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up.  If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely.  Russia wants to be considered a superpower. :D The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them.

So how many Ukrainians will die in this noble cause?.

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:41am:

So how many Ukrainians will die in this noble cause?.

so if someone threatens to kill you you're just going to walk out of your house and leave them your property? :D :D

Grow some balls man

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:44am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 2:00pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then. Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up.  If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely.  Russia wants to be considered a superpower. :D The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them.

Russia went from being the second most powerful military in the world to being the second most powerful military in Ukraine.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 5:10am: Karnal wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 11:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 3:46pm: My thoughts are that the whole problem should have been sorted out by the United Nations over 3 years ago. Did Putin try to get the UN to solve it? He had many meetings with Macron but I don't remember anything happening at the UN. Russia's on the Security Council, you silly old thing. Vlad and Xi have blocked all UN interference. Just ask Great. It really shows what a farce the UN has become when you have countries like China and Russia sitting on the UN Security Council with veto power (while Australia, a founding UN member not on it) and on the Human Rights Council you have countries with deplorable human rights records. The question is - why did Putin not even try to use the UN? If it was true that Ukrainians were burning people alive and shelling innocent people in the disputed territories then the whole world would have been on his side.

Excuse me, are you asking why Vlad didn't take the issue of disputed territories to the UN Security Council?

I say, Bobby, that's a hard one. Given the fact that Vlad signed the Ukraine border treaty himself, who's he disputing?

We could try a multiple choice, I guess, but nobody ever plays.

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

Trump Signals U.S. Ready To Forgive Ukraine For Invading Russia WASHINGTON, D.C. — Once again willing to be the bigger man, President Trump has signaled that the United States is ready to forgive Ukraine for their ruthless invasion of Russia. "You never should have started it, Ukraine" said Trump. "I always tell people to never fight uphill, but no one ever listens. But I guess we all make mistakes." Trump's understanding tone was complemented by a late-night post on Truth Social in which he signaled forgiveness may be just around the corner. EVEN THOUGH UKRAINE INVADED RUSSIA COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE PAST WHO INVADED WHO AND HAVE PEACE!!! WE DO NOT HOLD GRUDGES LIKE SLEEPY JOE....WE WILL MAKE A GREAT PEACE AND HAVE A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR RUSSIA AND UKRAINE LIVING IN HARMONY!! Though some in Ukraine stated that they were fairly sure Russia invaded them, diplomats stated it was time to simply move on and accept Trump's kind offer of forgiveness. At publishing time, Trump had asked Zelensky to please do the right thing and just call Putin to say "I'm sorry."

I say, old boy, that's so not satire.

Babylon Bee's moving into straight news territory now, is it?

Good show.

Karnal wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:28am:

Frank wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 9:27am: Trump Signals U.S. Ready To Forgive Ukraine For Invading Russia WASHINGTON, D.C. — Once again willing to be the bigger man, President Trump has signaled that the United States is ready to forgive Ukraine for their ruthless invasion of Russia. "You never should have started it, Ukraine" said Trump. "I always tell people to never fight uphill, but no one ever listens. But I guess we all make mistakes." Trump's understanding tone was complemented by a late-night post on Truth Social in which he signaled forgiveness may be just around the corner. EVEN THOUGH UKRAINE INVADED RUSSIA COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE PAST WHO INVADED WHO AND HAVE PEACE!!! WE DO NOT HOLD GRUDGES LIKE SLEEPY JOE....WE WILL MAKE A GREAT PEACE AND HAVE A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR RUSSIA AND UKRAINE LIVING IN HARMONY!! Though some in Ukraine stated that they were fairly sure Russia invaded them, diplomats stated it was time to simply move on and accept Trump's kind offer of forgiveness. At publishing time, Trump had asked Zelensky to please do the right thing and just call Putin to say "I'm sorry." I say, old boy, that's so not satire. Babylon Bee's moving into straight news territory now, is it? Good show.

Fake news you can trust, paki.
Keep telling you.

Chilling isn't it.


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Having promised in May 2014 to defend Ukraine with NATO arms, the NATO Generals assumed that Russia would take no steps to prevent the installation of NATO medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Ukraine. Such missiles could hit much of Russia within a few minutes if launched from Ukraine. Russia learned in July 2022 that NATO had begun missile shipments to Ukraine. By August 29 new military construction and the presence of NATO technicians had been reported by Russian spy planes flying over the country, and on October 14 the presence of a ballistic missile on a launching site was reported.

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:57am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 9:41am: So how many Ukrainians will die in this noble cause?. so if someone threatens to kill you you're just going to walk out of your house and leave them your property? :D :D Grow some balls man

says giovanni  ;D

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:57am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 9:41am: So how many Ukrainians will die in this noble cause?. so if someone threatens to kill you you're just going to walk out of your house and leave them your property? :D :D Grow some balls man

youre from italy arent you john?

how did you go in the desert in 1941?

australian troops report getting italian POWs to carry their rifles for them as 1000 aussies marched 100,000 into captivity .

and you want to lecture people on growing balls  :D :D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:22am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 7:44am: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 2:00pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then. Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up.  If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely.  Russia wants to be considered a superpower. :D The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them. Russia went from being the second most powerful military in the world to being the second most powerful military in Ukraine.

ah no.

biden has forced them to ally with china , india (to provide gas), and the other brics countries.

and donald is having none of it

europe now faces a much bigger threat and donny has told them to man up and look after themselves.

russias position has not been weakened , europes has  :'( :'(

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

youre from italy arent you john?

no


aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

how did you go in the desert in 1941?

I've never been to any desert


aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

australian troops report getting italian POWs to carry their rifles for them as 1000 aussies marched 100,000 into captivity .

you really are gullible aren't you


aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

and you want to lecture people on growing balls

I know it must be a strange concept for a pussy like you

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 11:15am:

Chilling isn't it. Quote: Having promised in May 2014 to defend Ukraine with NATO arms, the NATO Generals assumed that Russia would take no steps to prevent the installation of NATO medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Ukraine. Such missiles could hit much of Russia within a few minutes if launched from Ukraine. Russia learned in July 2022 that NATO had begun missile shipments to Ukraine. By August 29 new military construction and the presence of NATO technicians had been reported by Russian spy planes flying over the country, and on October 14 the presence of a ballistic missile on a launching site was reported.

Russia attacked Ukraine BEFORE MAY 2014 dumbarse :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:13pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:15am: Chilling isn't it. Quote: Having promised in May 2014 to defend Ukraine with NATO arms, the NATO Generals assumed that Russia would take no steps to prevent the installation of NATO medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Ukraine. Such missiles could hit much of Russia within a few minutes if launched from Ukraine. Russia learned in July 2022 that NATO had begun missile shipments to Ukraine. By August 29 new military construction and the presence of NATO technicians had been reported by Russian spy planes flying over the country, and on October 14 the presence of a ballistic missile on a launching site was reported. Russia attacked Ukraine BEFORE MAY 2014 dumbarse :D

Exactly.  This was a response to Russia already officially annexing Crimea.

It was a piss take of this to compare the US would respond to the same situation.



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Having promised in May 1960 to defend Cuba with Soviet arms, the Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev assumed that the United States would take no steps to prevent the installation of Soviet medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Cuba. Such missiles could hit much of the eastern United States within a few minutes if launched from Cuba. The United States learned in July 1962 that the Soviet Union had begun missile shipments to Cuba. By August 29 new military construction and the presence of Soviet technicians had been reported by U.S. U-2 spy planes flying over the island, and on October 14 the presence of a ballistic missile on a launching site was reported.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:22am: John Smith wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 7:44am: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 2:00pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm: Because he has the upper hand, bullshit. Ukraine was making a fool of him. He should have won in weeks and is still there after years. Any normal person would have died of shame at being so humiliated. But putins a typical dictator who has no shame. All Zelensky has to do then is say no thanks Trump and keep on humiliating Putin then. Zelinski has already won. He has already shown the Russian army is crap. This is virtually their home turf, where supply lines should not be an issue and still they can't keep up.  If Zelinski can drag it out another year russias economy will collapse completely.  Russia wants to be considered a superpower. :D The only thing to Russia's advantage is their superior numbers and that they have nukes. Without the nukes, even their superior numbers wouldn't save them. Russia went from being the second most powerful military in the world to being the second most powerful military in Ukraine. ah no. biden has forced them to ally with china , india (to provide gas), and the other brics countries. and donald is having none of it europe now faces a much bigger threat and donny has told them to man up and look after themselves. russias position has not been weakened , europes has  :'( :'(

Oh?

Yes, I remember now. JD was over in Europe only recently, explaining the current threat to Europe: the threat within.

Yes, where they all thought they were being threatened by Vlad on one side, Donnie on the other and all the lies in between, turns out the big threat is to their freedom to stand outside abortion clinics and pray.

Imagine, they're now so restricted they can't even harass girls getting abortions. Worse, in Scotland, they can't even pray in their own homes, can you imagine?

Yes, if you live within 200 meters of an abortion clinic, the police can break down your door and arrest you for praying. I mean, that's diabolically sinister, right?

Exactly. That's just what JD said: thought crime.

Pure Evil.

It's time to man up, leftards. Get with Donnie or suffer the consequences.

We'll pray for you.

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In the lead up to the Senate’s ratification in 1998, the New York Times editorial board warned: “The most important foreign policy decision America has faced since the end of the Cold War…  could prove to be a mistake of historic proportions.” And this: “It is delusional to believe that NATO expansion is not at its core an act that Russia will regard as hostile.” George Kennan—intellectual architect of the Cold War containment doctrine, a former ambassador to the USSR, and one of America’s wisest students of Russian affairs—spoke for the many dissenters in 1997 when he warned that NATO expansion “would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.” It would weaken Russian reformers, embolden hard-liners, undermine strategic arms agreements, and escalate East-West tensions when Russia got back on its feet and began acting like a great power. In the 1990s, Russia was no threat to the West and incapable of serious military action. But “if humiliated further and made desperate,” as then National Interest editor Owen Harries warned in 1996, “it could be dangerous in a way that a wounded animal can be dangerous.” In such circumstances, providing “extreme chauvinistic elements in Russia to exploit frustrations, resentments and wounded national pride… would have unpleasant consequences both internally and internationally https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/why-nato-expansion-explains-russias-actions-in-ukraine/

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In 1997, Keating delivered a lecture at UNSW warning: “To move Europe’s military demarcation point to the very borders of the former Soviet Union is, I believe, an error which may rank in the end with the strategic miscalculations which prevented Germany from taking its full place in the international system at the beginning of this century.” Opponents also drew attention to the US and German assurances given Moscow during the early 1990s that if Russia withdrew from their Warsaw Pact and accepted German unification, NATO would not move “one inch eastwards.” According to Kennan in 1998: “We did not, I am sure, intend to trick the Russians, but the actual determinants of our later behavior… would scarcely have been more creditable on our part than a real intention to deceive.” Shortly after the Senate ratified the first tranche of enlargement (Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland) in April 1998, Kennan told Thomas Friedman: “I think it is the beginning of new Cold War… Of course, there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say we always told you that is how the Russians are – but this is just wrong.” This history serves to highlight the extent to which many distinguished military and foreign-policy experts raised strong objections to moving NATO into Russia’s backyard. Their warnings about poking at the bear proved prescient. And yet, as they consistently warned about a near-certain confrontation with post-Yeltsin Russia, it’s important to note that the opponents of NATO expansion in the 1990s were never dismissed as Kremlin apologists or Russia’s “useful idiots.” Nor were they treated as if their views were outside the boundaries of serious public discourse.

It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle.

Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests.

He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war.

But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions.

Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether.

And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future.

This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 7:22am:

It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin.

:D :D :D


Zelensky has played Trump!!  :D



And why hasn't Europe sorted it all BEFORE Trump? Please explain.

Why should America take on the burden of providing Europe's security?

Standards of living in Europe are very high.

Why should a welder from Arkansas work 2 jobs so Hans can drive a BMW and Pierre can sip lattes in a patisserie.

Trump is putting America first and rightly so

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 8:41am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:22am: It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin. :D :D :D Zelensky has played Trump!!  :D And why hasn't Europe sorted it all BEFORE Trump? Please explain.

Whatever the EU did or didn't do, doesn't change that Trump was played, again, and easily.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:26am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 8:41am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:22am: It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin. :D :D :D Zelensky has played Trump!!  :D And why hasn't Europe sorted it all BEFORE Trump? Please explain. Whatever the EU did or didn't do, doesn't change that Trump was played, again, and easily.

By Zelensky??  Anyway, you probably meant Trump.


But why havent the European acted before? And how would they be effective now?  What did Biden do that was effective? You are talking  fantasy, lala BS.




It was stupid of Trump to call Zelensky a dictator although by all account Z would lose an election.
It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable.
It was also very stupid of Ukraine to have nationalistic policies maltreating its large Russian ethnic minorities.

So now the two biggest European countries that are practically indistinguishable from each other are at a bloody war, financed and prolonged by NATO.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:15am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:26am: Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 8:41am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:22am: It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin. :D :D :D Zelensky has played Trump!!  :D And why hasn't Europe sorted it all BEFORE Trump? Please explain. Whatever the EU did or didn't do, doesn't change that Trump was played, again, and easily. By Zelensky??  Anyway, you probably meant Trump. But why havent the European acted before? And how would they be effective now?  What did Biden do that was effective? You are talking  fantasy, lala BS. It was stupid of Trump to call Zelensky a dictator although by all account Z would lose an election. It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. It was also very stupid of Ukraine to have nationalistic policies maltreating its large Russian ethnic minorities. So now the two biggest European countries that are practically indistinguishable from each other are at a bloody war, financed and prolonged by NATO.

It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump.

What an odd crossover.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:49am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:15am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:26am: Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 8:41am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:22am: It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin. :D :D :D Zelensky has played Trump!!  :D And why hasn't Europe sorted it all BEFORE Trump? Please explain. Whatever the EU did or didn't do, doesn't change that Trump was played, again, and easily. By Zelensky??  Anyway, you probably meant Trump. But why havent the European acted before? And how would they be effective now?  What did Biden do that was effective? You are talking  fantasy, lala BS. It was stupid of Trump to call Zelensky a dictator although by all account Z would lose an election. It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. It was also very stupid of Ukraine to have nationalistic policies maltreating its large Russian ethnic minorities. So now the two biggest European countries that are practically indistinguishable from each other are at a bloody war, financed and prolonged by NATO. It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover.

Read the book. Its the art of negotiation, no?

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:49am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:15am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:26am: Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 8:41am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:22am: It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin. :D :D :D Zelensky has played Trump!!  :D And why hasn't Europe sorted it all BEFORE Trump? Please explain. Whatever the EU did or didn't do, doesn't change that Trump was played, again, and easily. By Zelensky??  Anyway, you probably meant Trump. But why havent the European acted before? And how would they be effective now?  What did Biden do that was effective? You are talking  fantasy, lala BS. It was stupid of Trump to call Zelensky a dictator although by all account Z would lose an election. It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. It was also very stupid of Ukraine to have nationalistic policies maltreating its large Russian ethnic minorities. So now the two biggest European countries that are practically indistinguishable from each other are at a bloody war, financed and prolonged by NATO. It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover.

where??

what have you misundersood this time??

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 7:22am:

It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin.

Biden's refusal 3 years ago to not enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine
was the first sign that the heart of USA was not into helping Ukraine win the war.
Zelensky should have surrendered within one week and
told Europe to go and get stuffed as they would be next on Putin's list
and thanks for nothing.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:15am:

It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable.

An early reason for NATO was to prevent another world war by a European invader.   This protects Russia against Germany/ France / UK.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:15am:

It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable.

What a load of rubbish ...why shouldn't nato get  Ukraine to join?  Why does russia get to dictate what other countries can and cannot do? Why are you sooooo stupid?

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:15am: It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. What a load of rubbish ...why shouldn't nato get  Ukraine to join?  Why does russia get to dictate what other countries can and cannot do? Why are you sooooo stupid?

Because the US, Germany and Ukraine promised Russia that Ukraine would never join NATO and if they did then Russia would consider that hostile and a security threat.

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:15am: It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. What a load of rubbish ...why shouldn't nato get  Ukraine to join?  Why does russia get to dictate what other countries can and cannot do? Why are you sooooo stupid?

It was the price of Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons, among other things, after the Soviet Union disintegrated.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 11:10am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 7:22am: It looks like Zelensky played Trump like a fiddle. Trump’s shifting stance on Ukraine and Russia marks a profound departure from longstanding US policy, pivoting from support for Ukrainian sovereignty to an increasingly servile accommodation of Moscow’s interests. He’s parroting Putin’s propaganda, and his supporters, shackled by their self-inflicted TDS, are dutifully following suit. Now, Trump has escalated matters further, regurgitating Kremlin talking points about Ukraine supposedly provoking the war. But Zelensky baited him into going even further. By simply adhering to the Ukrainian Constitution, something that any informed observer understands, he goaded Trump into predictably lashing out, branding him a “dictator.” The irony is lost only on those too invested in their own delusions. Setting aside the textbook projection, Trump is now openly hostile to one of the key parties in the so-called peace talks, talks that the US insists it should mediate, despite excluding Ukraine from the process altogether. And what’s the outcome? A proposal straight out of Russia’s playbook: an immediate ceasefire, wartime elections tailor-made for Kremlin interference, and a final agreement designed to enshrine Moscow’s influence over Ukraine’s future. This charade needs to end. The US has forfeited any claim to neutrality. Europe must take the reins, because Washington, under Trump, is indistinguishable from an extension of the Kremlin. Biden's refusal 3 years ago to not enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine was the first sign that the heart of USA was not into helping Ukraine win the war. Zelensky should have surrendered within one week and told Europe to go and get stuffed as they would be next on Putin's list and thanks for nothing.

So you say Trump will save us from WW3, then you complain that Biden took actions to support Ukraine in a deliberate way to avoid WW3...

You're on fire today Bobbi...

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 1:06pm:

So you say Trump will save us from WW3, then you complain that Biden took actions to support Ukraine in a deliberate way to avoid WW3... You're on fire today Bobbi...

No - I'm saying that Zelensky should never have accepted the piss poor help
that led to half a million of his people killed and many cities demolished.

He should have surrendered 3 years ago to save all those lives and the cities.
Why fight a war that destroys your nation?
He had so called guarantees from agreements with Europe and the USA
about protecting Ukraine in case of invasion and they reneged on the deals.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 11:56am: Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:15am: It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. What a load of rubbish ...why shouldn't nato get  Ukraine to join?  Why does russia get to dictate what other countries can and cannot do? Why are you sooooo stupid? Because the US, Germany and Ukraine promised Russia that Ukraine would never join NATO and if they did then Russia would consider that hostile and a security threat.

did spewtin tell you that? :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 1:26pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 11:56am: Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:15am: It was stupid of the US and the Europens to reneg on Ukrainian neurality and dangle NATO and EU membership. You don't have to be a Putin to find that intolerable. What a load of rubbish ...why shouldn't nato get  Ukraine to join?  Why does russia get to dictate what other countries can and cannot do? Why are you sooooo stupid? Because the US, Germany and Ukraine promised Russia that Ukraine would never join NATO and if they did then Russia would consider that hostile and a security threat. did spewtin tell you that? :D

Its in the Australian National Archives.


Quote:

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 1:59pm:

Its in the Australian National Archives.

that was a deal with the soviet union ... they no longer exist

Quote:

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion

They also said they would defend Ukraine but the Yanks even
refused to put a no-fly zone over Ukraine since Feb  2022.

They Yanks words and the European words are worth nothing - zero.

It is a worry for us if China ever attacked us.
The Yanks nuclear umbrella is all a hoax too.
We have been conned.

If Europe can't abide by their assurances that they would not allow NATO to expand eastwards how can Russia trust that they wont stop at Ukraine. The people of Russia are watching as Europe and the US backtrack on their promise only to give another promise. Who is going to trust the new promise. Europe and Ukraine are giving Putin all the evidence he needs to convince his people that Europe and the US can not be trusted and are a threat to security.

you need to look at both sides to make a sound judgement.

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:59pm: Its in the Australian National Archives. that was a deal with the soviet union ... they no longer exist

Thats not going to fly, the people in Russia still exist.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 1:17pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:06pm: So you say Trump will save us from WW3, then you complain that Biden took actions to support Ukraine in a deliberate way to avoid WW3... You're on fire today Bobbi... No - I'm saying that Zelensky should never have accepted the piss poor help that led to half a million of his people killed and many cities demolished. He should have surrendered 3 years ago to save all those lives and the cities. Why fight a war that destroys your nation? He had so called guarantees from agreements with Europe and the USA about protecting Ukraine in case of invasion and they reneged on the deals.

pretty much

donald will have it all over soon

he will say to zelensky

zelensky, i want 1/2 a trillion in resources from you  and you have to give up the donbas.

if you dont, no more weapons for you.

he will say to vlad

putin, you get the donbas , now f off back to your  dasha and get with some supermodels .



the killing stops
ukraine and russia can live in peace
trump out frames china and secures rare earth minerals

this is called constructing the win/win/win.


something the looney left could never do because they dont understnd the win/win,   much less the win/win/win

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 1:17pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:06pm: So you say Trump will save us from WW3, then you complain that Biden took actions to support Ukraine in a deliberate way to avoid WW3... You're on fire today Bobbi... No - I'm saying that Zelensky should never have accepted the piss poor help that led to half a million of his people killed and many cities demolished. He should have surrendered 3 years ago to save all those lives and the cities. Why fight a war that destroys your nation? He had so called guarantees from agreements with Europe and the USA about protecting Ukraine in case of invasion and they reneged on the deals.

pretty much

donald will have it all over soon

he will say to zelensky

zelensky, i want 1/2 a trillion in resources from you  and you have to give up the donbas.

if you dont, no more weapons for you.

he will say to vlad

putin, you get the donbas , now f off back to your  dasha and get with some supermodels .



the killing stops
ukraine and russia can live in peace
trump out frames china and secures rare earth minerals

this is called constructing the win/win/win.


something the looney left could never do because they dont understnd the win/win,   much less the win/win/win

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:02pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:59pm: Its in the Australian National Archives. that was a deal with the soviet union ... they no longer exist

In the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the United States, Russia, and Britain committed “to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” and “to refrain from the threat or use of force” against the country. Those assurances played a key role in persuading the Ukrainian government in Kyiv to give up what amounted to the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal, consisting of some 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-care-about-ukraine-and-the-budapest-memorandum/

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:49am:

It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover.

It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:26pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump.

You hate Putin? You have a funny way of showing it...

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. You hate Putin? You have a funny way of showing it...

By looking at everything that has happened means I support Putin.

If I dont hate Trump then I must support Putin is that how you see everything.

This is typical leftie strategy, I've said nothing to support Putin, I don't agree with him but you think because I don't hate Trump then I must be supporting Putin.

You are more interested in finding fault with Trump than the welfare of the Ukrainian people.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 1:17pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:06pm: So you say Trump will save us from WW3, then you complain that Biden took actions to support Ukraine in a deliberate way to avoid WW3... You're on fire today Bobbi... No - I'm saying that Zelensky should never have accepted the piss poor help that led to half a million of his people killed and many cities demolished. He should have surrendered 3 years ago to save all those lives and the cities. Why fight a war that destroys your nation? He had so called guarantees from agreements with Europe and the USA about protecting Ukraine in case of invasion and they reneged on the deals.

Sorry, who reneged on the security deal, Bobby?

We'll need names, dear.

Vlad's invasion of Ukraine was a test-run for WWIII. If Zalensky had surrended, Vlad would have seized a land army with a good two million troops. Poland would have been first on Vlad's list, drawing in NATO.

Xi would have taken Taiwan. The CCP would now control the South China Sea and South Pacific, including all sea trade routes, vital for Australian supply lines.

So if I was you, I'd be praising Zalensky for his bravery. Not only did he reject Boris Johnson's offer of safe haven, Zalensky stayed put and rallied the world behind a global cause - our peaceful, rules-based post-WWII order.

If we lose this, the dominoes fall and we're in WWIII. Your DL is now the only Western world leader threatening to let it rip. This isn't speculative or hypothetical, it's a fact.

So now we all know where we stand, I'm curious: who's side are you on?

That's a question. If you don't want to answer, just say why.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:17pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 1:06pm: So you say Trump will save us from WW3, then you complain that Biden took actions to support Ukraine in a deliberate way to avoid WW3... You're on fire today Bobbi... No - I'm saying that Zelensky should never have accepted the piss poor help that led to half a million of his people killed and many cities demolished. He should have surrendered 3 years ago to save all those lives and the cities. Why fight a war that destroys your nation? He had so called guarantees from agreements with Europe and the USA about protecting Ukraine in case of invasion and they reneged on the deals. pretty much donald will have it all over soon he will say to zelensky zelensky, i want 1/2 a trillion in resources from you  and you have to give up the donbas. if you dont, no more weapons for you. he will say to vlad putin, you get the donbas , now f off back to your  dasha and get with some supermodels . the killing stops ukraine and russia can live in peace trump out frames china and secures rare earth minerals this is called constructing the win/win/win. something the looney left could never do because they dont understnd the win/win,   much less the win/win/win

That's nice. How do you propose Ukraine and Russia live in peace?

Get Vlad to sign another agreement?

We look forward to your considered reply.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. You hate Putin? You have a funny way of showing it...

What's the korrekt way?

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:26pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump.

Sure is, Leroy. Here you are saying the Ukrainian prez should go away and leave the future of his country in the hands of two foreign powers.

Look, I'm sure Donny and Vlad want to do the right thing. They've been straight with us right from the start.

And no, Vlad never intended to hurt anyone. He was just having a bit of fun with the invasion thing - sorry, security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker, right?

As Donny said, Zalensky never should have started all this by not giving in. That was just rude. And why can't Zalensky have an election?

Vlad has them all the time, no? Donny just had one. Wasn't it a landslide?

Don's just the sort of guy you'd want in as umpire. He can sit down with Vlad, talk turkey, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, smile for the fake news, shake and it's done.

Problem solved, right? I mean, if you can't look after your borders, you may as well not even have a country anymore. The leftards don't take too kindly to that, now do they?

SEND THEM BACK !!!

Trump at least has not reneged on his deal. He said he would wreck the US Constitution, NATO, EU, Ukraine and free trade. Also truth would fall by the way. Donald and Vladimir.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:59pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:50pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. You hate Putin? You have a funny way of showing it... By looking at everything that has happened means I support Putin. If I dont hate Trump then I must support Putin is that how you see everything. This is typical leftie strategy, I've said nothing to support Putin, I don't agree with him but you think because I don't hate Trump then I must be supporting Putin. You are more interested in finding fault with Trump than the welfare of the Ukrainian people.

Your solution to the war in Ukraine is to let Putin win.

That was done for Crimea and at the time, Putin stated that Russia had "no plans to divide Ukraine further" and that the annexation of Crimea was a "unique case."

Yet it happened again.

It won't stop. 

And you want to hand him the territory he's already taken in what is apparently another "unique case"?

Giving in now is telling him you can have all of Ukraine, the west doesn't care.

When your solution to ending the war is to give Putin exactly what he wants, it really seems like you don't hate him...  You're simply using "saving lives" as an excuse to support Putin by stealth, because in the long run, more lives will be lost the next time, the time after that, when will it end?

And of course, it allows you to fall into like with the Trump and MAGA rhetoric.

What's to stop Putin restarting hostilities, again, in another few years, in another "unique case", maybe when Trump has succeeded in weakening the US even further?

It's just an odd claim to make that you hate Putin when you seem to be advocating for the solutions that are in his and Russia's best interests.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 5:17pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:59pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:50pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. You hate Putin? You have a funny way of showing it... By looking at everything that has happened means I support Putin. If I dont hate Trump then I must support Putin is that how you see everything. This is typical leftie strategy, I've said nothing to support Putin, I don't agree with him but you think because I don't hate Trump then I must be supporting Putin. You are more interested in finding fault with Trump than the welfare of the Ukrainian people. Your solution to the war in Ukraine is to let Putin win. That was done for Crimea and at the time, Putin stated that Russia had "no plans to divide Ukraine further" and that the annexation of Crimea was a "unique case." Yet it happened again. It won't stop.  And you want to hand him the territory he's already taken in what is apparently another "unique case"? Giving in now is telling him you can have all of Ukraine, the west doesn't care. When your solution to ending the war is to give Putin exactly what he wants, it really seems like you don't hate him...  You're simply using "saving lives" as an excuse to support Putin by stealth, because in the long run, more lives will be lost the next time, the time after that, when will it end? And of course, it allows you to fall into like with the Trump and MAGA rhetoric. What's to stop Putin restarting hostilities, again, in another few years, in another "unique case", maybe when Trump has succeeded in weakening the US even further? It's just an odd claim to make that you hate Putin when you seem to be advocating for the solutions that are in his and Russia's best interests.

I don't want anything, I would just like the killing to stop. How it ends up is where it will end up, I'm not trying to push it in any direction.

There were warnings as far back as 1997 that if NATO makes moves on Ukraine, that includes Zelensky's public speeches about joining NATO will bring about a disaster.

These warnings have been ignored and the campaign for Ukraine to join NATO grew louder and supported by some members of NATO.

You can't ignore one side of the story. I'm not supporting Putin but we can't ignore him like they have for the first three years of the war. I don't recall any attempts from Biden Harris to seek peace with Putin.

Putin may a evil person but he still effects other countries and we have a better chance of peace if we are at least on talking terms. Remember Russia wanted to join NATO but America vetoed it. Had they not vetoed it Europe might be in a better place now.

But hating on Putin or worrying about who won what is not priority for me, I'm just an advocate for stopping the killing.

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 4:48pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. Sure is, Leroy. Here you are saying the Ukrainian prez should go away and leave the future of his country in the hands of two foreign powers. Look, I'm sure Donny and Vlad want to do the right thing. They've been straight with us right from the start. And no, Vlad never intended to hurt anyone. He was just having a bit of fun with the invasion thing - sorry, security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker, right? As Donny said, Zalensky never should have started all this by not giving in. That was just rude. And why can't Zalensky have an election? Vlad has them all the time, no? Donny just had one. Wasn't it a landslide? Don's just the sort of guy you'd want in as umpire. He can sit down with Vlad, talk turkey, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, smile for the fake news, shake and it's done. Problem solved, right? I mean, if you can't look after your borders, you may as well not even have a country anymore. The leftards don't take too kindly to that, now do they? SEND THEM BACK !!!

Thanks for your valuable contribution.

Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:26pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump.

Team Trump supports Putin. Remember Puting put Trump into office in 2016. Trump owes Putin - Trump owes Putin one Ukraine.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:38pm:

Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this.

Understandable.

He's completely stuffed it up.

Instead of ending the Russian invasion in his first 24 hours, he's setting the world on the path to WWIII.

Everything, absolutely everything he touches turns to poo.

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Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:38pm:

Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this.

Is that Ugandan voters? North Koreans?

Your waddling of ducks?

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 6:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 4:48pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. Sure is, Leroy. Here you are saying the Ukrainian prez should go away and leave the future of his country in the hands of two foreign powers. Look, I'm sure Donny and Vlad want to do the right thing. They've been straight with us right from the start. And no, Vlad never intended to hurt anyone. He was just having a bit of fun with the invasion thing - sorry, security operation. Vlad's a peacemaker, right? As Donny said, Zalensky never should have started all this by not giving in. That was just rude. And why can't Zalensky have an election? Vlad has them all the time, no? Donny just had one. Wasn't it a landslide? Don's just the sort of guy you'd want in as umpire. He can sit down with Vlad, talk turkey, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, smile for the fake news, shake and it's done. Problem solved, right? I mean, if you can't look after your borders, you may as well not even have a country anymore. The leftards don't take too kindly to that, now do they? SEND THEM BACK !!! Thanks for your valuable contribution.

You're welcome, Leroy. Is there anything in there you'd care to disagree with?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:41pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 2:26pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump. Team Trump supports Putin. Remember Puting put Trump into office in 2016. Trump owes Putin - Trump owes Putin one Ukraine.

Isnt that wonderful? The US is governed from the Kremplin.
Who put Biden in office in 2020? Xi or Putin again?
2024 - Albo.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:38pm:

Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this.

His numbers are down in most polls.

Americans have realised what a huge mistake they've made.

"New polling shows Trump’s approval ratings declining — and a number of major warning signs appearing."

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:38pm: Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this. Understandable. He's completely stuffed it up. Instead of ending the Russian invasion in his first 24 hours, he's setting the world on the path to WWIII. Everything, absolutely everything he touches turns to poo.

Polls are saying that Trump is the most disliked President at this point in 70 years.

His honeymoon period started at -1 and quickly deteriorated to - 6 There are no other recent Presidents at this point of their term in negative numbers.

President Donald Trump is posting strong approval ratings four weeks into his administration, according to several polls released Tuesday and Wednesday.

An Economist-YouGov poll published on Wednesday shows that Trump has a plus five percent net rating among 1,603 U.S. adults. Of the respondents, 50 percent approve of Trump’s performance thus far, including 32 percent who “strongly approve.”

Conversely, 45 percent of respondents disapprove of his performance, while five percent do not have an opinion. Of the overall sample, 37 percent “strongly disapprove” of Trump.

Half of the 1,451 registered voters included in the sample said Trump has their approval, while 47 percent said the opposite.

The crosstabs show that 93 percent of Republicans, 12 percent of Democrats, and 44 percent of independents give the president positive marks. In contrast, five percent of Republicans disapprove of Trump, as do 85 percent of Democrats and 46 percent of independents polled.

The poll was conducted from Sunday to Tuesday and has a weighted margin of error of ± 3.3 percentage points for the full sample and ± 3.2 percent for the registered voters.

A separate Emerson College poll released Wednesday finds Trump with an even stronger net rating of plus six percentage points. A strong plurality of 48 percent views his performance in a positive light, while 42 percent give him negative marks after a month.

Among Republican respondents, 86 percent approve of Trump. Nearly one in five Democrats and two in five independents also approve of him. The crosstabs show that nine percent of Republican respondents, 77 percent of Democrats, and 42 percent of independents disapprove of Trump.

Emerson College sampled 1,000 registered voters from February 15-17. The credibility interval is ± three percentage points.

A third poll, published by Morning Consult on Tuesday, found that Trump had a positive rating of 50 percent to 47 percent among “voters.” Details of the poll’s sample size, field dates, and margin of error were not listed on the portion of Morning Consult’s website accessible without a subscription.

Trump’s net approval rating in the FiveThirtyEight average is +2.5 percent as of February 19, 2025. He is performing much better at this point on the approval front than he did at a nearly identical point in his first term. On February 18, 2017, his net approval rating averaged at -6.3 percent.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:41pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:38pm: Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this. Understandable. He's completely stuffed it up. Instead of ending the Russian invasion in his first 24 hours, he's setting the world on the path to WWIII. Everything, absolutely everything he touches turns to poo. Polls are saying that Trump is the most disliked President at this point in 70 years. His honeymoon period started at -1 and quickly deteriorated to - 6 There are no other recent Presidents at this point of their term in negative numbers.

Makes sense.

He hasn't done any of the things he said he would do "on day one", grocery & gas prices are skyrocketing, and he's leading the world into WWIII.

Never has the world seen someone with such a strong Sidam Touch.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:38pm: Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this. His numbers are down in most polls. Americans have realised what a huge mistake they've made. "New polling shows Trump’s approval ratings declining — and a number of major warning signs appearing."

The people love him:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xFfCBI7bRw

More Bad Trump Polls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2CUFX9kUkM

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Trump has earned the lowest approval rating at this point in a term since 1953, excluding his first term — falling 15 points below the historical average for presidents in mid-February

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:59pm:

Trump has earned the lowest approval rating at this point in a term since 1953, excluding his first term — falling 15 points below the historical average for presidents in mid-February

4 polls confirm Trump’s approval rating is underwater.

https://x.com/i/status/1892600212440453475

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Well - it looks like it all depends on which kind of extreme left or right media you follow...  Amurika is a funny place.. with them it seems everything is all or nothing...

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:38pm: Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this. His numbers are down in most polls. Americans have realised what a huge mistake they've made. "New polling shows Trump’s approval ratings declining — and a number of major warning signs appearing." The people love him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xFfCBI7bRw

Stephen is one of those good people - A white nationalist. Bit of a trend in the Trump team but it doesn't matter if you are white. Especially if you have the correct salute.

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Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:50pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:38pm: Recent polls say that about 8% of voters support how Trump is handling Ukraine, Around 80% don't support Trump on this. His numbers are down in most polls. Americans have realised what a huge mistake they've made. "New polling shows Trump’s approval ratings declining — and a number of major warning signs appearing." The people love him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xFfCBI7bRw

Yet Trumps numbers have tanked because it isnt the will of the people - the people hate it.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:12pm:

Well - it looks like it all depends on which kind of extreme left or right media you follow...  Amurika is a funny place.. with them it seems everything is all or nothing...

The first numbers from Maddow were all Gallop poll data - Gallop is considered balanced. She quoted similar numbers from about another 5 polsters with the same trends. There are a lot of sources also going with the Gallop data and saying the same thing. Nobody would expect the right to be using this data.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:26pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:49am: It's funny how many pro-Russian people are coming out of the woodwork in their defence of Trump. What an odd crossover. It is odd isn't it, we hate Putin and you hate Trump.

you hate Putin? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Don't make me laugh. You've done nothing but defend his position and repeat his bullshit excuses for him

Trump is winning:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14423219/volodymyr-zelensky-surrenders-donald-trump-sign-mineral-deal-hours.html


Zelensky surrenders to Trump and 'will sign mineral deal within hours'

22 February 2025

Donald Trump appears to have won his trade standoff with Volodymyr Zelensky, as the Ukrainian president is set to give in and sign a deal giving the U.S. access to deposits of critical minerals.


The deal was seen as crucial for satisfying Washington's demands for a peace settlement between Ukraine and Russia to end their three-year long war.

Zelensky told a nightly video address on Friday that teams of American and Ukrainian negotiators are working on a draft agreement, signaling an imminent deal.

'This is an agreement that can strengthen our relations, and the key is to work out the details to ensure its effectiveness,' he said. 'I look forward to the outcome - a just result.'

It's a staggering surrender by Zelensky, who just days earlier angrily lashed out at Trump saying: 'I can't sell our country.'

Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday evening: 'We're signing an agreement, hopefully in the next fairly short period of time.'

A deal could be struck as soon as Saturday, people briefed on negotiations told the Wall Street Journal. The exact terms are not yet clear, however Trump had been pushing for $500 billion worth of minerals in exchange for continued military support.

It comes after Zelensky angered Trump so much during negotiations that the president threatened to completely pull US funding from Ukraine, Axios reported.

And what about minerals under Russian occupied land?
I'd love to see the fine print.

The whole thing is a bit immoral -
it was either Russia took all of Ukraine and got all the goodies or now –
the Yanks get all the goodies.
They are carving up a weak country for whatever they can get.