How could a private citizen, heading (but not) a group of private citizens in a "department" in name only with no Congressional ratification, be hinting that all US taxpayers will get a $5000 cheque from the DOGE savings?

Wouldn't that money need to be approved by Congress?

KangAnon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 9:44am:

How could a private citizen, heading (but not) a group of private citizens in a "department" in name only with no Congressional ratification, be hinting that all US taxpayers will get a $5000 cheque from the DOGE savings? Wouldn't that money need to be approved by Congress?

You're just regurgitating the same old debunked bullshit.

DOGE is not a US federal government department.

DOGE is the rebadged and refocussed USDS with its own approved budget.

Musk can say what he likes about cheques, taxes and taxpayers... it's not illegal... he has no authority within the US government.

I'm not regurgitating anything, I'm wondering how this is meant to work.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:05am:

I'm not regurgitating anything, I'm wondering how this is meant to work.

The most obvious path is the one already discussed here a few times...

Musk is engaged in the capacity of a consultant and adviser to the president.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 12:21pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:05am: I'm not regurgitating anything, I'm wondering how this is meant to work. The most obvious path is the one already discussed here a few times... Musk is engaged in the capacity of a consultant and adviser to the president.

I understand that, but how are they going to get the money to send to everyone?

Trump may have enough discretionary spending to cover the wages of the "Not a department" members, but not the $400-$800 Billion dollars that would cost.

It's interesting that we've been told the money DOGE is meant to be saving should be paying for the tax cuts etc coming, but if he's going to send out a "DOGE Dividend", that's certainly not going to help.

Maybe it's to soften the blow to Trump's supporters who will be getting a tax increase unless they earn over $360,000 per year?

KangAnon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 12:21pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:05am: I'm not regurgitating anything, I'm wondering how this is meant to work. The most obvious path is the one already discussed here a few times... Musk is engaged in the capacity of a consultant and adviser to the president. I understand that, but how are they going to get the money to send to everyone? Trump may have enough discretionary spending to cover the wages of the "Not a department" members, but not the $400-$800 Billion dollars that would cost. It's interesting that we've been told the money DOGE is meant to be saving should be paying for the tax cuts etc coming, but if he's going to send out a "DOGE Dividend", that's certainly not going to help. Maybe it's to soften the blow to Trump's supporters who will be getting a tax increase unless they earn over $360,000 per year?

See! There you go again... DOGE is the USDS.

The cheques-galore will likely be Musk shooting his mouth off, something his father says Musk has done all his life.

Trump seems to think he can overhaul the US economy by turning back time and abolishing income tax replacing them with tariffs.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:59pm:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 1:53pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 12:21pm: KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:05am: I'm not regurgitating anything, I'm wondering how this is meant to work. The most obvious path is the one already discussed here a few times... Musk is engaged in the capacity of a consultant and adviser to the president. I understand that, but how are they going to get the money to send to everyone? Trump may have enough discretionary spending to cover the wages of the "Not a department" members, but not the $400-$800 Billion dollars that would cost. It's interesting that we've been told the money DOGE is meant to be saving should be paying for the tax cuts etc coming, but if he's going to send out a "DOGE Dividend", that's certainly not going to help. Maybe it's to soften the blow to Trump's supporters who will be getting a tax increase unless they earn over $360,000 per year? See! There you go again... DOGE is the USDS. The cheques-galore will likely be Musk shooting his mouth off, something his father says Musk has done all his life. Trump seems to think he can overhaul the US economy by turning back time and abolishing income tax replacing them with tariffs.

Thanks for the USDS comment, again.  I honestly took the comments about DOGE being created by EO at face value and assumed your comments were the usual bullshit like that spewed from the usual suspects.

I've gone through the EO and it does indeed say that.

Thanks again.

Pn the 'DOGE Dividend', during an Air Force One media Q&A, Trump endorsed the idea.

When asked about it, he replied, "I love it... A 20% dividend, so to speak..."

After having listened or watched or read about what’s happening, I’m quite impressed (yet horrified at the enormous criminal fraud to date) that the Doge team are discovering.
Hence giving that $5,000 to all tax payers households.

We need a Doge team for Victoria! Maybe start with Victoria then do all other states.


https://youtu.be/IZqg-nQrZPM?si=0zpXUlroGwqBjGKy

Sophia wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:29pm:

After having listened or watched or read about what’s happening, I’m quite impressed (yet horrified at the enormous criminal fraud to date) that the Doge team are discovering. Hence giving that $5,000 to all tax payers households. We need a Doge team for Victoria! Maybe start with Victoria then do all other states. []https://youtu.be/IZqg-nQrZPM?si=0zpXUlroGwqBjGKy[]

Given there has been no investigation into any discrepancies claimed to have been found, they cannot draw any conclusions about whether there was massive fraud, incompetence, data errors (like the age issue with social security data) or any combination thereof.

Any payments will need to be approved by Congress.

"They're eating the dogs, Jerry"

Most of it is bullshit though, either total incompetence from Musk and his team or deliberate lies.

Nearly every finding has been politically motivated to magically align with Project 2025 or targets agencies that have been investigating Musk.

You MAGATards see all these links and conspiracies when there are none but when there is a literal playbook telling us what they're going to do before they do it, then they do exactly what's on script and all of a sudden you're blind?

How?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

Pn the 'DOGE Dividend', during an Air Force One media Q&A, Trump endorsed the idea. When asked about it, he replied, "I love it... A 20% dividend, so to speak..."

Trump's the Monopoly guy with a pocket full'a cards.

"Go to Musk. Go directly to Muak..."

KangAnon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:45pm:

Most of it is bullshit though, either total incompetence from Musk and his team or deliberate lies. Nearly every finding has been politically motivated to magically align with Project 2025 or targets agencies that have been investigating Musk. You MAGATards see all these links and conspiracies when there are none but when there is a literal playbook telling us what they're going to do before they do it, then they do exactly what's on script and all of a sudden you're blind? How?

How?

Why, that's easy. No speaka da English, innit.

The retards no speaka, Sad, and that's okay. They've gone the lobotomy option, even when their own bottom line's crushed.

They'll eat it and they'll like it. The rest of us just have to suck it up, I'm afraid.

Sophia wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:29pm:

After having listened or watched or read about what’s happening, I’m quite impressed (yet horrified at the enormous criminal fraud to date) that the Doge team are discovering. Hence giving that $5,000 to all tax payers households. We need a Doge team for Victoria! Maybe start with Victoria then do all other states. https://youtu.be/IZqg-nQrZPM?si=0zpXUlroGwqBjGKy

How can ALL of Victoria’s infrastructure projects (all in the City the country get NOTHING) go 10s of billions of dollars over budget EVERY SINGLE TIME…

Where in the bugger is the money going???

Apart from in the pockets of CFMEU and their Bikies

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

Pn the 'DOGE Dividend', during an Air Force One media Q&A, Trump endorsed the idea. When asked about it, he replied, "I love it... A 20% dividend, so to speak..."

Yes —- 20% back to the People (of what they saved)
20% straight off the national debt…

This is stolen money 💰 and some of that needs to go back to the US people as they had the Good Faith in Electing Trump and his administration (Elon) to audit the government to see where “THEIR” money was going…

Like Yesterday - 2 Billion Dollars was filtered back to Fat front bottom Stacey Abraham through NGO’s …..

No gold in fort Knox? No auditing done?
Wow….that alone can make a country poorer.
In God gold we trusted?

Well here’s a replacement…. And… something that everyone can hold a piece of… I’ve been watching this crypto market for a couple months…
Trump will make USA crypto capital of the world… ETF machines are going to be implemented everywhere globally via Ripple (XRP) which will boom via crypto currency.
It is the new monetary way of the future no matter what we like or don’t like.
I like cash but where will that be by 2030?

USA may not have gold as security… but are advised to buy 20% into Bitcoin before another country does.

Gold disappears. Money disappears… but with cryptocurrency…. Will we know exactly where it is? Isn’t that the idea… it can be tracked? Therefore maybe no more fraud/embezzlement of disappearing funds?
Very interesting.

https://youtu.be/9qIHT8ON1cA?si=okkIrSn9Z3bpQVf1

SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 5:59am:

Sophia wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:29pm: After having listened or watched or read about what’s happening, I’m quite impressed (yet horrified at the enormous criminal fraud to date) that the Doge team are discovering. Hence giving that $5,000 to all tax payers households. We need a Doge team for Victoria! Maybe start with Victoria then do all other states. https://youtu.be/IZqg-nQrZPM?si=0zpXUlroGwqBjGKy How can ALL of Victoria’s infrastructure projects (all in the City the country get NOTHING) go 10s of billions of dollars over budget EVERY SINGLE TIME… Where in the bugger is the money going??? Apart from in the pockets of CFMEU and their Bikies

The amount of incoming money in Victoria alone from stamp duty via house sales, land tax, empty house tax, CGTax, Vic roads, tollways… and yet… the bumbling labor halfwits have plunged us into more debt than NSW and Qld combined!!!

Our roads… the pot holes can turn your radio on and open the doors at the same time!
The roadworks nearby us started last year….were meant to be finished but it’s still chaotic and traffic congested!
So I hear the state guv’ment ran out of money.
I too…. Want to know…. Where the f… has all that incoming money gone to?
Labor are incompetent and that’s been proven. I wonder what lack of auditing has been going on hey?
Not happy Jan!  >:(

Sophia wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:08am:

Gold disappears. Money disappears… but with cryptocurrency…. Will we know exactly where it is? Isn’t that the idea… it can be tracked? Therefore maybe no more fraud/embezzlement of disappearing funds? Very interesting.

Currently crypto is exponentially the easiest way to facilitate embezzlement and fraud...

Crypto allows for massive amounts of value to be instantly magicked out of nowhere and be transferred immediately to anywhere in the world, to be converted via laundering to more traditional stores of value, without necessarily identifying its owners.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:40am:

Sophia wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:08am: Gold disappears. Money disappears… but with cryptocurrency…. Will we know exactly where it is? Isn’t that the idea… it can be tracked? Therefore maybe no more fraud/embezzlement of disappearing funds? Very interesting. Currently crypto is exponentially the easiest way to facilitate embezzlement and fraud... Crypto allows for massive amounts of value to be instantly magicked out of nowhere and be transferred immediately to anywhere in the world, to be converted via laundering to more traditional stores of value, without necessarily identifying its owners.

That’s true too! What lesser evils can we trust?
But if we play our own individual ownership correctly with homework/knowledge… little people can win…
Much like current money system … some are clever with it… some are hopeless.
I liked investing in real estate… I always felt a mistrust with shares… money only worth the paper it’s written on.
Since real estate is out of reach now for younger generations due to timing and soaring prices … they are going into shares and crypto.
I’ve ordered 2 books on cryptocurrency so I can better understand it.
Whether we like it or not… these ETF machines are going to spring up everywhere globally.
I’ve purchased coins in XRP and in HBar as a small investment for now.
Got to keep our fingers on the pulse.

Sophia wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 11:06am:

That’s true too! What lesser evils can we trust? But if we play our own individual ownership correctly with homework/knowledge… little people can win… Much like current money system … some are clever with it… some are hopeless. I liked investing in real estate… I always felt a mistrust with shares… money only worth the paper it’s written on. Since real estate is out of reach now for younger generations due to timing and soaring prices … they are going into shares and crypto. I’ve ordered 2 books on cryptocurrency so I can better understand it. Whether we like it or not… these ETF machines are going to spring up everywhere globally. I’ve purchased coins in XRP and in HBar as a small investment for now. Got to keep our fingers on the pulse.

Yep... the expectation of instant gratification has poisoned the West.

Magicking value out of nowhere creates the delusion of true value, in the way a mirage in the desert does.

Those who commit whatever value they have to chasing that delusion are destined to lose everything over time...

To paraphrase Klaus Schwab: they will own nothing and be destitute.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 11:21am:

Sophia wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 11:06am: That’s true too! What lesser evils can we trust? But if we play our own individual ownership correctly with homework/knowledge… little people can win… Much like current money system … some are clever with it… some are hopeless. I liked investing in real estate… I always felt a mistrust with shares… money only worth the paper it’s written on. Since real estate is out of reach now for younger generations due to timing and soaring prices … they are going into shares and crypto. I’ve ordered 2 books on cryptocurrency so I can better understand it. Whether we like it or not… these ETF machines are going to spring up everywhere globally. I’ve purchased coins in XRP and in HBar as a small investment for now. Got to keep our fingers on the pulse. Yep... the expectation of instant gratification has poisoned the West. Magicking value out of nowhere creates the delusion of true value, in the way a mirage in the desert does. Those who commit whatever value they have to chasing that delusion are destined to lose everything over time... To paraphrase Klaus Schwab: they will own nothing and be destitute.

I thought he said they will own nothing and be happy.
Anyway… okay for him to have quadrillions!
How the wealthy get wealthier… a constant trickle of money from the poor to the rich.
There was a book by Des Griffin he wrote in 1980…. Descent into slavery?

Re: get rich quick schemes, there’s a quote …
“The stock market is a device to transfer money from the 'impatient' to the 'patient'.”
I listened to interviews of billionaires advice… start off small (what you can afford to lose) and educate yourself.

Slow and steady wins the race.

I see a lot of younger gen at the pokies…. Doing $5 a pop!  :o
I’m doing .20c to .50c a pop… other day… after having a seniors lunch at hotel… hubby asks if there are pokies here… I said yes but I don’t feel like playing…he hates the pokies but said I should have a punt.
Geez…. So i look around, and I get a feel for one machine as I saw someone  had taken out $200…. I thought this machine is paying… I put $50 note in… played $8 and then got heaps of free games and won $90.
Thanks I will take that!
Walked out with extra money in purse and it paid for our meals!

So yeah…. Many keep pumping it in thinking it will go to greater heights, I’ve seen it, we must learn to be happier with little wins.
Slow accumulation ….

Back to cryptocurrency…. I want to learn as much as I can about it… so as not to be idiotic about it.
I’ve learnt much about real estate, pokies…but now it’s crypto.

Despite all the setbacks it may have… I’m learning about it… with all the whales and rug pulls and fraud coins … I’m learning … I’ve seen one that hurt a lot of folk… Pepe Wall Street pre sales  … I read how some put in tens of thousands! There was an extravagant sales pitch and hype about it everywhere!
Pie in the sky.

I’m sticking to older well known coins I mentioned earlier.
Crypto currency is going to take over our current currency. What can we do?
Can’t beat it… so best to join it… warts ‘n all.
I’m just trying to keep an open mind about it.

Sophia wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 12:02pm:

I thought he said they will own nothing and be happy. Re: get rich quick schemes, there’s a quote … “The stock market is a device to transfer money from the 'impatient' to the 'patient'.” So yeah…. Many keep pumping it in thinking it will go to greater heights, I’ve seen it, we must learn to be happier with little wins. Slow accumulation ….

Yes, Schwab did say 'happy' that's what I meant by paraphrasing him.

Yes, we in the West have ditched patience for instant gratification... we've all become drug addicts.

Douglas Murray urges West to reject 'welfarism' and take a leaf out of the Trump's DOGE book in ARC forum address

Murray said the Trump administration would be seeking to get rid of the Department of Education, as it would also like to dissolve the "rotten" USAID organisation.

"In New York State, where I spend much of my time, an average spend at a state school is now per pupil around $35 ,000 a year. For that sum, K -12 students finish with only just about half of them with basic literacy and half with basic numeracy. So nobody can tell us that money is the problem. Money is not the problem," he said.


"You could keep throwing money at this problem and you can still create more and more illiterates."

Murray then arrived at his central argument and urged the west to take the risks America had in recent weeks. The bestselling author and political commentator said the main disparity between America and Europe was the "attitude towards risk", but the similarity was that there had been a descent into complacency and a "sort of welfarism".

"We've wasted so much time in recent years," Murray said.

"I would urge in the age of reconstruction that our great task is not just to break through with innovation, but to reclaim what is ours, to say that we love it and that if people wish to join us in the veneration of this civilisation, they are very, very willing to do so. If they don't wish to join us, there are other places they can be."