Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine.

Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians.

Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC.

Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender.

The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in.

We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad.

A slight difference of priorities, innit.

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit.

When did Ukraine become our friend?
When they put Boy Biden on various cartel boards?

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ...

I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators.

You?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:05pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ... I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators. You?

They like licking the balks of Xi, like you.

Must be the soy sauce, no?

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:05pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ... I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators. You? They like licking the balks of Xi, ...

Bobbi has acquired a taste for Chinese seamen.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:11pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 10:05pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin ... I guess they don't like licking the balls of murderous dictators. You? They like licking the balks of Xi, like you. Bobbi has acquired a taste for Chinese seamen.

How did you acquire it? Karnal?
I bet it was karnal. You two are very (ahem) close.... in the Navy, to coin a phrase.

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:44pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit.

But it is universally accepted that the best person to make a deal for Ukraine is Trump. There are many right here that dispute that Trump is the best but they offer nothing, no idea what to do. Karmer and Macron just haven't gut the ability, their own comments have destroyed any chance of a negotiation with Putin. Zelensky is expecting too much, he is not going to beat Russia. Pissing off Putin costs Ukranian lives, Trump seems to be the only one that is genuinely trying to save lives.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:44pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit. When did Ukraine become our friend? When they put Boy Biden on various cartel boards?

Sometimes a question is just a question.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:44pm: Leroy wrote on Feb 21st, 2025 at 9:14pm: Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done. Putin's an indicted war criminal, dear, currently at large from the ICC. Your DL is the only world leader repeating his propaganda and trying to surrender. The only way out of this mess is to give Ukraine full NATO membership. Stop invading our friends, Vlad, or we're all in. We're with Ukraine, Leroy. You're with Vlad. A slight difference of priorities, innit. But it is universally accepted that the best person to make a deal for Ukraine is Trump. There are many right here that dispute that Trump is the best but they offer nothing, no idea what to do. Karmer and Macron just haven't gut the ability, their own comments have destroyed any chance of a negotiation with Putin. Zelensky is expecting too much, he is not going to beat Russia. Pissing off Putin costs Ukranian lives, Trump seems to be the only one that is genuinely trying to save lives.

No, it is universally accepted that the best person to do a deal for Ukraine is it's leader.

I just gave you an idea what to do. Starmer and Macron have both put Ukraine's NATO membership on the table, as has our own Sir Tony Abbott.

Thank heavens the grown ups are back in charge, eh? 

Your problem is you're so farmed you can't comprehend anything your DL hasn't said. You're so far gone you literally no speaka da English.

Yes, Master...

There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine

PERIOD…

the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries…

No NATO for NAZIS…

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SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 5:04am:

Eastern Block Countries…

We're back in the Warsaw Pact are we? Kremlin troops in East Berlin?

disgraceful that keyboard warriors like gweg and karmal talk tough and then expect a million young ukranians to fight like they were on the somme in 1915.

i could see these gutless wonders sending white feathers to young ukranians whilst they sought assylum in europe  (its not illegal to seek assylum)

this war should have been ended 2 yrs ago

ukraine gives up a bit of territory and the piss weak countries like germany ( who cant even fight off a muslim in a toyota from killing their people) can man up, spend 4 % of gdp and provide security to their neighbours

last time i looked the usa was not one of the ukraines neighbours

trumps neighbours are canada mexico panama and greenland.

he needs to extract good deals for the american citizens ( his ONLY concern) from these neighbours.


and he will because he isnt a gutless hypocrite like the leftie intellectuals .

he will save millions of ukranians lives

should win a nobel peace prize but he wont because the leftie intellectuals are nothing if not deluded f wits

So the options are, call Putin names, or give him Ukraine?

SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 5:04am:

There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS…

How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI?

Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone.

It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 7:48am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change.

It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine. Trump seems to be the only one to realize bad mouthing Putin will only make it harder to do a deal which will make it worse for Ukrainians. Why are the media hell bent on insulting and demonizing Putin knowing full well the only way to get out of this mess is to make a deal with Putin. Trump has to make a deal with him so hes not going to make the job harder than it already is. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks of Putin or what he says the important thing is to get the best deal for Ukraine and stop the killing. Trump is not going to shoot himself in the foot and start bad mouthing Putin but the media are trying to push him to do so and demonizing Trump for trying to stay cool and get it done.

Calling Putin a dictator isn't bad mouthing him, because it's the truth. Besides, Trump won't negotiate a good deal. He only cares about what's in it for him and looking good.

Leroy wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:14pm:

Is there anyone here that thinks that by calling Putin names will make it easier to get a better deal for Ukraine.

Contrary to what you tell yourself, I'm not sure that is the reason anyone calls spewtin names.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 8:04am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi.

you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 8:41am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D

It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here.

Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives...

It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you...

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25am:

It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here.

The russian media only puts out what spuwtin tells them to. He's been broadcasting his excuses since before the war even began

KangAnon wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:42am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here. Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives... It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you...

I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:00am:

I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story.

is that how you justify been a Putin Stooge to yourself?

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve.

Oh yes. Calling him a nazi strengthens his resolve. Interesting.

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:04am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. Oh yes. Calling him a nazi strengthens his resolve. Interesting.

The more fuel he has to convince Russians that the west is bringing NATO to their borders and demonizing them as nazi's will make it easier for him to go a lot harder in negotiations.

No the question is about calling him a nazi. 'It strengthens him' you say.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:00am:

KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:42am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here. Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives... It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you... I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story.

I don't have CNN or MSNBC.

Let's look at it this way. 

Imagine your neighbour storms into your home, killing members of your family and forcing you into a corner, leaving them entrenched in your garage and you with what's left of your family in the remaining house.

This wasn’t some random act, it followed years of encroachment, where they first tore down your fence, seized your garden shed, and declared it their own, annexing it if you will, redrawing the property lines and constructing a new fence to extend the boundary of theirs to suit their ambitions.

Now, consider another neighbour down the street, a rather fat guy who wears makeup and has tiny hands. Rather than helping you expel the intruder, he opts to "mediate", but only with the invader.

You, the rightful homeowner, are excluded from the conversation entirely. Their idea of a solution? Not forcing the trespasser out, but rather demanding that you relinquish access to your own swimming pool providing it to them exclusively, in exchange for further help.  When you refuse, they accuse you of starting the conflict in the first place.

And just to compound the absurdity, this so-called mediator has a legion of supporters, perhaps not the sharpest tools now annexed shed, but numerous nonetheless, who parrot the line:

"Oh, forcing the intruder out could cause more harm! Best to let them keep the garage and say nothing bad about them."

At what point does it become undeniable that nearly everyone, except you the victim in this case, is aligning with the aggressor and proposing "solutions" that serve their interests?

chimera wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:17am:

No the question is about calling him a nazi. 'It strengthens him' you say.

I can't really break it down much further, you are giving him the evidence he can use to convince the Russian people that the west consider him a nazi and that the security of Russia is under attack.

KangAnon wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 10:41am:

Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 10:00am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:42am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:41am: Leroy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 8:04am: KangAnon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 7:48am: SerialBrain9 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2025 at 5:04am: There’s not going to be any NATO in Ukraine PERIOD… the US and NATO have already broken their word to Russia on their deal on not putting NATO in Eastern Block Countries… No NATO for NAZIS… How did we get to pro-NATO being pro-NAZI? Brian's is being proved right with his meme over and over again... We really are in the twilight zone. It's like we're in the broken timeline after someone made the wrong change. It will be interesting how much of Ukraine they get back by calling Putin a nazi. you can't stupidly think he'd have given back more if they hadn't called him a nazi? ;D ;D ;D It gives the Russian media plenty of material for propaganda to strengthen Putins resolve. American media is not the only propaganda machine at work here. Russian media are talking about nuking the US... I don't think they need any real-world inspiration to craft their narratives... It's like you're siding with an abuser blaming the victim, what is wrong with you... I understand that those that follow the narrative of CNN and MSNBC and believe it all to be true would have some reservations about anyone that that likes to know both or even three sides of the story. I don't have CNN or MSNBC. Let's look at it this way.  Imagine your neighbour storms into your home, killing members of your family and forcing you into a corner, leaving them entrenched in your garage and you with what's left of your family in the remaining house. This wasn’t some random act, it followed years of encroachment, where they first tore down your fence, seized your garden shed, and declared it their own, annexing it if you will, redrawing the property lines and constructing a new fence to extend the boundary of theirs to suit their ambitions. Now, consider another neighbour down the street, a rather fat guy who wears makeup and has tiny hands. Rather than helping you expel the intruder, he opts to "mediate", but only with the invader. You, the rightful homeowner, are excluded from the conversation entirely. Their idea of a solution? Not forcing the trespasser out, but rather demanding that you relinquish access to your own swimming pool providing it to them exclusively, in exchange for further help.  When you refuse, they accuse you of starting the conflict in the first place. And just to compound the absurdity, this so-called mediator has a legion of supporters, perhaps not the sharpest tools now annexed shed, but numerous nonetheless, who parrot the line: "Oh, forcing the intruder out could cause more harm! Best to let them keep the garage and say nothing bad about them." At what point does it become undeniable that nearly everyone, except you the victim in this case, is aligning with the aggressor and proposing "solutions" that serve their interests?

Your agenda is clear.

But you see, the Ukrainians are nazis backed by nazi supporters in the west. Calling Putin a nazi is praise and loyalty to him.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:11am:

the security of Russia is under attack.

Europe only supplied F16s and Leopards because they were forced to by President Obama the communist who invaded Russia in 2014. The Nazi Reich of Brussels stands firmly with Vladimir the Greatest.

.

Leroy wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 11:42am:

Your agenda is clear.

I knew you'd find a way to ignore what I said, that was entirely expected.

But I didn't think you'd try to twist it into an accusation of sorts.

What are you afraid of?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 6:46am:

disgraceful that keyboard warriors like gweg and karmal talk tough and then expect a million young ukranians to fight like they were on the somme in 1915. i could see these gutless wonders sending white feathers to young ukranians whilst they sought assylum in europe  (its not illegal to seek assylum) this war should have been ended 2 yrs ago ukraine gives up a bit of territory and the piss weak countries like germany ( who cant even fight off a muslim in a toyota from killing their people) can man up, spend 4 % of gdp and provide security to their neighbours last time i looked the usa was not one of the ukraines neighbours trumps neighbours are canada mexico panama and greenland. he needs to extract good deals for the american citizens ( his ONLY concern) from these neighbours. and he will because he isnt a gutless hypocrite like the leftie intellectuals . he will save millions of ukranians lives should win a nobel peace prize but he wont because the leftie intellectuals are nothing if not deluded f wits

Your DL will back Vlad, get bored and give up. Ukraine will remain in the war. Your DL will move onto the next thing, claiming victory for nothing.

And yes, dear, if Russia was blowing up Australian schools and hospitals, I'd be doing everything in my power to get them out.

This week, Russia has been sending drones into Ukrainian apartment blocks. No military value whatsoever, it's killing civilians just for fun.

That's the country your DL's handing Ukraine to.

I'm genuinely curious. How does that feel?

Trump seems to have learned nothing from history. I keep coming back to that famous quote by former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, where he said, "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is taking the US, Ukraine and the world down a very dangerous path by bending the knee to Putin in an effort to appease him. Trump is just like those sick groupies who drool over mass murderers and rapists.