A torpedo washed up on a Gold Coast beach recently.
ADF said it was a training torpedo and have taken it for examination.

Sounds like they're examining it because it's Chinese and China has trained it's torpedoes to reach Australian shores.

Dr Layton also said the ADF would have know the item was missing since the training exercise.
"Certainly, the ship or the aircraft know that they've lost it," he said. "It was not lost by accident."

It was missing and lost on purpose so they knew they didn't know.

It could have been accidental. This is a regime that starved 50 million of its own citizens to death by trying to feed them all equally. Never underestimate the incompetence of a communist regime.

The Australian Army Catering Corps provides timely and deployable catering support to land forces, and a catering service to enhance Australian Defence Force .

The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'
That's what I said
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand
Or, so I've read.
My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo
I love to sink her with my pink torpedo.

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A Royal Australian Air Force P-8A Poseidon dropped four exercise torpedoes on a US Navy nuclear submarine during a maritime patrol serial at Exercise Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC).

The US Navy dropped four small nuclear submarines on Australia. China dropped four navies on the Royal Poseidon. The Australian Army lost four Chinese accidents and a Gold Coast beach.

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 3:05pm:

It could have been accidental. This is a regime that starved 50 million of its own citizens to death by trying to feed them all equally. Never underestimate the incompetence of a communist regime.

And never underestimate the delusions of 'invisible hand' free market ideologues and their democracy = 'freedom' bs.

At least Trump is sorting you losers out.

Trump sent the torpedo! It wasn't Ch-inaar?

“ The defence minister has urged Australia to take a "deep breath" in response to Chinese warships conducting drills off Australia's east coast, reiterating that they abided by legal principles.
His comments came after the Coalition accused the government of underplaying the episode, which it said exposed the limits of Australia's China strategy. “

“ Abc

Basically what Dick is saying “ look look away, move on, nothing too see here, look at the interest rates coming down, move along, nothing to see here”.

Despite the fact China just sent 3 warships and a nuclear submarine to just offshore Sydney and denied the normal flight path to Sydney international airport unless flights flew a detour the Chinese had allowed them.

I believe the Chinese have made their point very, very clear.

Without America  support now, we are very vulnerable.

And Albo, says nothing .I doubt he knows or could care?

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 3:31pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 3:05pm: It could have been accidental. This is a regime that starved 50 million of its own citizens to death by trying to feed them all equally. Never underestimate the incompetence of a communist regime. And never underestimate the delusions of 'invisible hand' free market ideologues and their democracy = 'freedom' bs. At least Trump is sorting you losers out.

Do you think the CCP lost one of their torpedoes? It's a much smaller "mistake" than accidentally starving 50 million of your own citizens to death by trying to feed them all equally.

Jasin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 2:51pm:

A torpedo washed up on a Gold Coast beach recently. ADF said it was a training torpedo and have taken it for examination. Sounds like they're examining it because it's Chinese and China has trained it's torpedoes to reach Australian shores.

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Need to arm the Australian populace (except Muslims who won't volunteer for service) and make guns legal.
Tomorrow when the war began.

SERIOUSLY.
What has the ALP and the ADF done to PREPARE for an obviously imminent WAR ❓

SFA !

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 4:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 2:51pm: A torpedo washed up on a Gold Coast beach recently. ADF said it was a training torpedo and have taken it for examination. Sounds like they're examining it because it's Chinese and China has trained it's torpedoes to reach Australian shores. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8528/trQvAo.jpg

(Tongue in cheek, Brian?)

No, the ADF has said it's an Oz torpedo - duh.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/main-beach-suspicious-device-washes-up-on-gold-coast-beach-sparking-lockdown/5b7f4f33-b6d7-429b-9262-e29dac0f77db

"A military training torpedo has washed up on a popular Gold Coast beach.
Police were called to Spit Beach, near Main Beach, about 5.45am today over a suspicious item and established a 100-metre exclusion zone.
The Australian Defence Force confirmed the item is one of its training torpedoes". 

Pity about FD's "Chinese incompetence" theory.

Jasin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

Need to arm the Australian populace (except Muslims who won't volunteer for service) and make guns legal. Tomorrow when the war began.

No no - the Muslims will make great warriors for us -
you just have to tell them that fighting China is a Jihad
and even if they die they'll get 72 virgins.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 4:58pm:

'Sounds like they're examining it because it's Chinese and China has trained it's torpedoes to reach Australian shores.' Pity about FD's "Chinese incompetence" theory.

Any competent Chinese should be able to train a torpedo. It's the confusing 'capitalist-communist', 'turn right, turn left' from the Great Hall People Happy Clapping that made the accident.

The fact is that the Aust Navy allowed an incompetence act to wash up on a shore. Wether it's 'true' that it's one of ours, is debatable. "Mustn't scare the natives, if it's Chinese. We might be forced to do something about it and we don't want that because we're too scared to do something about it."

So why isn't Australia PREPARING for War?
What bigger hint do we need, than the Chinese Navy off our waters this far south?
Finland is ready for Russia.
We were NOT READY FOR JAPAN.
So Trump is going to get America to do our work for us?
He would say "Get your shyte together Oz!"
Personal responsibility!

The Chinese accidentally sent it too early. The Virginia subs should be available early in 2037 or maybe 2043 or later.

Just in. The Chinese Navy are  ;D at Australia's ADF response of Twilight Zone memes and Yawns being sent to them.
China has responded with a Memes of an Australian chewy gum under a Chinese Boot.

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The ALP are going to send a diplomatic party to China consisting of Spend a Penny Wong and her Drag Queens Show.

Jasin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 5:15pm:

The fact is that the Aust Navy allowed an incompetence act to wash up on a shore. Wether it's 'true' that it's one of ours, is debatable.

Indeed, your assuming they weren’t just following orders?!

Something is starting to smell here.

Is Albo  and co operating with the Chinese to allow them scare / show power over Australia?

Why!!!!

P.s any Chinese leaders reading this I know nothing . I’m definitely voting for you dear leader!

Australia is China's 51st Province

“ What's next?
The naval task group has now moved past Tasmania and entered the Great Australian Bight.”

“ Abc

I fear that they are just looking for intelligent life forms and not finding any🙃

Looks like the Chinese will do a circumnavigation of Australia now:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-27/defence-minister-china-warships-call-for-calm/104989968


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The naval task group has now moved past Tasmania and entered the Great Australian Bight.

Will they do more live fire exercises underneath commercial jet flight paths?

They're looking at the lack of defence spots around the Australian coastline and all the potential weak spots, which is basically everywhere.

Why you all being so paranoid?  The photo clearly showed a torpedo that is launched from a helicopter.  The torpedos that are launched from a submarine tube is alot larger, and targets capital ships. 

And what is happening is just normal political exchange between the two countries.  We go to South China Sea, participates in drills on how to blockage their sea way.    They are here to circumnavigate the  Australia coast. 

Now, if you think it is important for us to do this with the US.  Then, expect something like this to happen well into the future.  This is not the first time, nor this will be the last time.

Now, Jasin is asking why are we not preparing for war.  Well, with what?  We are spending 300 billion dollar going forward on nuclear subs - 6 of them, that will not be delivered for another 10 to 15 years.   We've bought tanks from the US, which does nothing.    And we are going to suffer tariffs very soon, coupled with ageing population.    There is very little that we can do.  We have to be realistic.

The YankAus Navy doesn't do live fire exercises in the Strait of Taiwan.

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 28^th, 2025 at 11:50am:

And what is happening is just normal political exchange between the two countries.  We go to South China Sea, participates in drills on how to blockage their sea way.

That's it, blocking China's shipping is an Ozzie tradition, torpedo a few junks, junk a few aircraft carriers, sink a Pilbara iron-ore freighter or two. 'G'day Mr Xi, we began shooting at yous a 1/2 hour ago'.

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You've made valid points Tickle&Rose 🌹
We've made a 'few' motions (over-spendings of being ripped off).
But if War erupts (after Trump), we will still be dead in the water like we were in WW2. It's not paranoia. It's being PREPARED. Just like Finland, Vietnam and many other nations have become. It saves many lives.
China's Pacific Fleet alone is bigger than the USA's 'entire' Fleet.
Relying on America's Fleet to get to us, though the Chinese Fleet, will be a wait too late and that's if they can spare any help beyond protecting their own country.

The only hope the world has, is Trump deflecting Russian & Chinese aggression against others (like the USA) - onto each other, to soften the blow on the world. Let alone China v India as well. As for the Muslims? Well, that's France's problem now, considering they're Top Dog of the EU/NATO in their superiority ego over Great Britain ( who has happily stepped back, to leave them out in front, like the over-achievers they are).

There was the Great Wall of China. Trump has one. Oz needs a Great Wall of Aluminium.

Albo is not letting on what he knew.

He's a slippery eel.

'On Monday, Marles said he had authorised Australia’s military to gather intelligence through an “unprecedented level of surveillance” of the ships.' 'Virgin Australia chief pilot Alex Scamps was pleased about an in-principle agreement and looks forward to ‘constructive discussions’.'The Australian Council of Prawn Fisheries Ltd (ACPF) has been operating for over 10 years'. Woolahra Council: 'Our contractors have just installed two new sets of whale watching binoculars on the Vaucluse cliffs, just in time for whale migration season!'

Yeah, we got plenty of surveillance around the coasts in whale watching ;D

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 28^th, 2025 at 12:19pm:

The YankAus Navy doesn't do live fire exercises in the Strait of Taiwan.

They do live fire exercises with their navy and airforce.

https://news.usni.org/2024/06/24/u-s-f-35s-join-philippine-marines-in-south-china-sea-live-fire-drill

Like I said, its a political exchange of views.

Where the US-Philippines is defending Philippines territory, with live-fire notice by common rules.
Albanese is not yet Chinese territory (AFAIK).

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:46am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 28th, 2025 at 12:19pm: The YankAus Navy doesn't do live fire exercises in the Strait of Taiwan. They do live fire exercises with their navy and airforce. https://news.usni.org/2024/06/24/u-s-f-35s-join-philippine-marines-in-south-china-sea-live-fire-drill Like I said, its a political exchange of views.

A's nae the Strait of Taiwan... a's Open Ocean....

Maybe the Chinkers are trying to frighten Nu Zulland.....

Anyway - consider how remarkably similar the situation is to 1941+ ... with Albanesia in place of the Philippines ... China invades... Japan and the Philippines fall quickly, the island chain to Albanesia goes down one after another (again), some via bought off Quisling governments ... Vietnam is over-run and the Chinese face an endless civilian uprising .... Putolini the Weakened joins in with China ....the US fleet, designated under Case Yellow to fling itself across the Pacific, is unable to respond as planned due to a Congressional Pearl Harbour via cost cutting... Albanesia stands alone..... history repeats itself.... over and over ... and years later and millions of lives later........

General Peccary, boarding a Pasta boat to Nu Zulland, famously says - "I Shall Not Return!"

'A Date Which Will Live in Infamy'  February 21, 2025 with a live-fire raid on Albanese , destroying reputations, losing torpedoes and back-tracking to kamikaze naval fleets against Maori war-canoes.

Hold it!!  China is entitled to demonstrate 'The Freedom Of the Seas' - same as everyone else......HOWEVER (said the much smarter strategic mind than any of yez) - by actually doing so they are certifying the Right of all other nations to do the same..... and that includes in the Taiwan Strait and South China Sea....

So while this may superficially appear to be a confrontation - what it is, in reality, is China supporting Freedom Of The Seas - and so, in any future sabre-rattling just outside the International Limit - China will not have a leg to stand on.

Not only that, but placing commercial air flights in harm's way at such short notice is clearly a breach of international convention, if not law.

In any future negotiation/diplomacy over the South china Sea etc, this will be an excellent chip on the board.

Chinese live fire exercise in Tasman Sea (owned by Tasmania) has blown holes in their own feet .....

Gambling is generally illegal in China. The Philippines-ALP axis of evil is unlawful, anti-Chinese and off the board and radar.

Last week the Chinese Communist Party chose to underline our weakness and isolation. Beijing’s gunboat diplomacy in a live-fire exercise off our east coast sent a powerful message: you are alone and naked at the bottom of the world.

Even if we had the planes, ships and missiles we need to defend our vast coastal waters, we do not have the fuel reserves to fight for more than a fortnight.

We produce a negligible amount of oil and have little capacity to refine it.  The debate about fuel security has been running since 2008, and yet the problem only got worse. We are an island and our fuel supplies are only secure as long as we can defend the trade routes. We can’t.

The live-fire exercise and the assaults on our planes in international airspace by the People’s Liberation Army reduces to farce the Albanese government’s boast that it has stabilised the relationship with China.  The only thing it has won is the right to be treated with contempt, as we shoot the blanks of “official protest”. How Beijing must quail at the arrival of the post withwith a bagful of letters stamped with an angry emu and kangaroo.


Australia is in no imminent threat of invasion but it could easily be cut off from its markets if China decides to take Taiwan by force.
  Virtual shots are fired in the daily cyber attacks on our business and government. Virtual bombs are already planted on our critical infrastructure. Coercion comes in threats to members of our ethnic communities and warnings issued to politicians who meet with officials from Taiwan, or dissidents from Hong Kong.

And both major parties now fear that any criticism of the Chinese Communist Party will see parts of our large Chinese-born population turn on them in elections. Beijing knows this and is leveraging it.

The next war will look different from all others. It will be fought in the virtual and real world. In your social media feed and in whispered conspiracies. Nowhere and no one will be safe. In some ways it has already begun. But we still have time to make choices. Do we stand and fight, or silently surrender?
Chris Uhlman

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 3:55pm:

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That's enough retarded faggotry, Bbwiyawn.

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Brian is a poof

You're catching up ... long ago fuel security, security of infrastructure NOT being owned by foreign interests especially parties, security such as control over computers in most modern machines etc .. see just this week my hint that Albanesia had a golden opportunity to build local drones not affected by Chinese computers with - stupid if you don't see it - dead switches and monitoring built into them.

Not only do the people need to take back their own farm from all the rat-bags, but the nation needs to take theirs back as well..

Wake Up, Australia! .... and stop being Albanesia ... start with ejecting the foreign offshore robber baron tax haven pirates who are making billions out of exploiting Australian resources while paying buggar all back into this country, and certainly not in tax on profits... at wot poynt deed Astrayanz becum soe stppid it cod not uze itts oun stuf?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:23pm:

You're catching up ... long ago fuel security, security of infrastructure NOT being owned by foreign interests especially parties, security such as control over computers in most modern machines etc .. see just this week my hint that Albanesia had a golden opportunity to build local drones not affected by Chinese computers with - stupid if you don't see it - dead switches and monitoring built into them. Not only do the people need to take back their own farm from all the rat-bags, but the nation needs to take theirs back as well.. Wake Up, Australia! .... and stop being Albanesia ... start with ejecting the foreign offshore robber baron tax haven pirates who are making billions out of exploiting Australian resources while paying buggar all back into this country, and certainly not in tax on profits... at wot poynt deed Astrayanz becum soe stppid it cod not uze itts oun stuf?

Well, the Gillard government tried to introduce mining tax.  It was attacked relentlessly by the liberal opposition.  And now its gone. 

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 11:56am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 1st, 2025 at 6:23pm: You're catching up ... long ago fuel security, security of infrastructure NOT being owned by foreign interests especially parties, security such as control over computers in most modern machines etc .. see just this week my hint that Albanesia had a golden opportunity to build local drones not affected by Chinese computers with - stupid if you don't see it - dead switches and monitoring built into them. Not only do the people need to take back their own farm from all the rat-bags, but the nation needs to take theirs back as well.. Wake Up, Australia! .... and stop being Albanesia ... start with ejecting the foreign offshore robber baron tax haven pirates who are making billions out of exploiting Australian resources while paying buggar all back into this country, and certainly not in tax on profits... at wot poynt deed Astrayanz becum soe stppid it cod not uze itts oun stuf? Well, the Gillard government tried to introduce mining tax.  It was attacked relentlessly by the liberal opposition.  And now its gone.

I remember... Australia needs to take back its own farm for its own profit instead of playing up to this 'global economy' of losers gathering billions by exploitation of other countries...  stuff the global economy - cut off their supplies and they will wither on the vine. ... take over running your own for your own country first... that's what Trump is doing... and all the vested interests hate it.

The Grappler Plan... now is the time for all good resources of cash and thinking to come to the aid of the country.

Well great news for Peter V”landys and the NRL!

As it has now come to light that the PNG government was informed a full two weeks before the Chinese took control of the flight path into Sydney international airport so as conduct live fire excises questions have been asked why the PNG government failed to inform the Albo government?

It’s completely clear, the Png government wants Albo to fund another three stadiums and football clubs as well as sign over the Bowen basins gas reserves in Qld to be kept “ informed “!

Albo team is immediately drawing up the contract and happy to throw in the Great Barrier Reef to avoid any need to negotiate!

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 3:19pm:

The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin' That's what I said The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand Or, so I've read. My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo I love to sink her with my pink torpedo. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/26/23/95629525-0-image-a-12_1740614325327.jpg

You're single yeah?  ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:29pm:

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How would you know? You have no wit.

Two full weeks the PNG government knew that the Chinese warships plan to take control of the international flight path to Sydney and they tell Australia nothing?

With neighbours and so called allies like this who would need enemies?

And our fear filled  weak leaders in Canberra, they say nothing!

**chuckles**

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 3:39pm:

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You are the F***wit Zone, nappy shhitter.

Chinese ambassador calls for objective, rational views from Australia on Chinese fleet drills
Xinhua | Updated: 2025-02-28 18:52


CANBERRA - The training activities of the Chinese naval fleet have always been safe, standardized and professionally operated in line with the relevant international laws and practices, and it is hoped that the Australian side would view this matter objectively and rationally, and refrain from misjudging and overreacting, Chinese Ambassador to Australia Xiao Qian told Australian media.

Xiao made the statement in an exclusive interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) in Hobart, the capital of the island state of Tasmania on Thursday.

Recently, China and Australia have maintained close communication through diplomatic channels in Beijing, Canberra and other multilateral occasions. Spokespersons from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of National Defense have also made statements on this matter. China's position is very clear, Xiao said.

The People's Liberation Army is strictly disciplined and consistently abides by international law and basic norms of international relations, he said, adding China conducted live-fire drills toward the sea after repeatedly issuing safety notices in advance. China's actions are entirely in line with international law and common international practices.

Regarding how long in advance the notice should be made, in fact, international law does not specify this issue, and countries have different practices. China's current practice is entirely appropriate, Xiao said.

The ambassador said China and Australia are comprehensive strategic partners. The term "partner" indicates that the two countries are friends, not foes or rivals. China has always regarded Australia as an important partner, and there is no need for Australia to feel concerned about the actions of the Chinese fleet.


M'Kay...

Gnads wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 3:19pm: The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin' That's what I said The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand Or, so I've read. My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo I love to sink her with my pink torpedo. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/26/23/95629525-0-image-a-12_1740614325327.jpg You're single yeah?  ;D

Yes.

My wife died from cancer.

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 5:43pm:

China's current practice is entirely appropriate, Xiao said.

No planes or tourists died in the China Tasman Sea and China suits China.  Albanese's nose looks much better with a Chinese finger inserted to the 2nd joint.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 5:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 3:19pm: The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin' That's what I said The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand Or, so I've read. My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo I love to sink her with my pink torpedo. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/26/23/95629525-0-image-a-12_1740614325327.jpg You're single yeah?  ;D Yes. My wife died from cancer.

Dreadful, my sincere condolences.

Jasin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 2:51pm:

China has trained it's torpedoes to reach Australian shores.

Very CLEVER, the Chinese !

I'd have thought torpedos harder to train than an Afghan Hound.


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buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 6:27pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 2:51pm: China has trained it's torpedoes to reach Australian shores. Very CLEVER, the Chinese ! I'd have thought torpedos harder to train than an Afghan Hound. .

That's enough retarded faggotry.


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The Manly ferry Captain will let Albo know when Chinese Navy sails into Sydney Harbour.

Albo should be able to organise a taxpayer funded welcome to country ceremony from the Refern Abbos on short notice.

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My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:

They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.

Australia's Poseidon flights are harassed by Chinese chaff or flares. An Oz navy ship reporting that live-fire began a 1/2 hour ago near China would receive what?
Answer: 2 pandas, a year's supply of lobster and photo op for Albanese with Xi.

Q. How do you translate 2 weeks formal notice to PNG (absurdly over-polite) with no notice and insulting late report of live-firing?
(Use of tsk tsk yawn may not do the job).

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 5:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2025 at 3:19pm: The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin' That's what I said The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand Or, so I've read. My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo I love to sink her with my pink torpedo. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/26/23/95629525-0-image-a-12_1740614325327.jpg You're single yeah?  ;D Yes. My wife died from cancer.

Sorry to hear that - but it wasn't recent was it?

So this bit "My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo
I love to sink her with my pink "

is either reminiscing or wishful thinking yeah?

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:

My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen.

Answer no.

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them.

What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew.

China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies.

Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests ....

why the hell are you even living here.

Gnads wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:08am:

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

what makes you think they didn't?  :D :D

Gnads wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm: My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen. Answer no. But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them. What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew. China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies. Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests .... why the hell are you even living here.

But Gnads, you have to be realistic.  We were barely able to keep a track of all the Asylum and fishing boats from Indonesia, over a smaller (but still very large) body of water.   

Of course, in this case, we know where they are.  But if they did not notify the government in advance that there is going to be live fire exercise, how would anyone else know?   Its not like we have a hidden camera or a microphone in their control rooms. 

The Royal Australian Virgin Air Force.

The Chinese warships were “ seeding “ the air as they traveled pass and have created the cyclone soon to destroy one of Australia’s cities.

Its weather war and Chinese have just proven that they are capable of it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_warfare

First chemical warfare ( covid) now weather warfare!

To sum up:-

They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation. 

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. *

I'm not far from a RAAF base – they have been very active lately... nothing unusual, but still – it coincides.


*remember the good old days of the Neptune long range aircraft and the Orions checking on things?  Circling the bastards day and night at least lets them know we're on to them ... a 'force in being' and not just a sitting duck. Seems the 'budget' doesn't allow too much in the way of forward defence surveillance these days and we concentrate on F-35 air defence.. a reaction force rather than a pro-active one... however, of course, modern tech allows CONSTANT surveillance of 'potentially hostile' vessels.. thought this reminds me of the over-reliance on such methods as opposed to observers on the ground ....

Sometimes il peut faire un demonstration - as a French General said to a British one at the battle of Inkerman.... when a mass of Russian troops advanced and the numbers were not good... raise your polished bayonets high and let them flash in the sun.....

我們發送了無線電訊息，但澳洲海軍並不知道
'we sent a radio message and the Australian navy didn't know'.

Gnads wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm: My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen. Answer no. But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them. What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew. China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies. Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests .... why the hell are you even living here.

Like you, I am an Australian Citizen. I have a chance at Freedom of Speech and Thought, just as you do.  What makes you right and me wrong?  Nothing.  My thoughts are founded on extensive study and learning of strategic thought.  I do not believe that Australia should act irresponsibly and be provoking a conflict with the PLAN, unlike it seems you.  I believe we should avoid war at all costs because I do not believe in the unnecessary sacrifice of Australian lives.  Australia has a reputation of fairness and strategic might when it is required.  If we go to war we usually have good reasons for doing so.  You OTOH are running round like a chook with it's head cut off, panicking at every opportunity.  As I've said, the PLAN has basically done nothing wrong except lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise.  It's live fire exercise has just disrupted a few international flights, thats all.  We have reacted responsibly.  Our strategic plans do not cover the east coast as much as the north-west coast.  We have JINDALEE the most advanced over-the-horizon radar, we have Poseidon aircraft and we have NORFORCE.  We could have more but what we have is adequate.  The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Australia was at fault for pushing Russia into invading Ukraine. China's 9 Dash line was caused by Australia selling lobsters to Shanghai cafes.

Chinese DRONE spotted on the Aust & PNG border.

Al'baloney says it was ok as it was between the posts.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2025 at 3:37pm:

**chuckles** https://i.imgflip.com/9lzjnq.jpg

The twillight zone of graps mind; he thinks 'democracy is freedom', when the REAL basis of freedom is common prosperity.

Hence the increasing number of home invasions, and attacks on police and security guards ("freedom") , in a cost of living crisis leading to social breakdown as lower socio-economic families crumble under the economic pressures. 



   

Dollar, wealth, prosperity, cash, rich and loaded have meanings. Freedom has a meaning. And many other words have meanings. It's useful for talking to humans, people, persons, guys and consumers. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 3:37pm: **chuckles** https://i.imgflip.com/9lzjnq.jpg The twillight zone of graps mind; he thinks 'democracy is freedom', when the REAL basis of freedom is common prosperity. Hence the increasing number of home invasions, and attacks on police and security guards ("freedom") , in a cost of living crisis leading to social breakdown as lower socio-economic families crumble under the economic pressures.

Some say TGD that Australians are a nation of Convicts with no Freedom under British rule.

...then there are the Americans who have too much Freedom to commit as many crimes as they like.

Makes one wonder who is committing the crimes here, eh?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 3:37pm: **chuckles** https://i.imgflip.com/9lzjnq.jpg The twillight zone of graps mind; he thinks 'democracy is freedom', when the REAL basis of freedom is common prosperity. Hence the increasing number of home invasions, and attacks on police and security guards ("freedom") , in a cost of living crisis leading to social breakdown as lower socio-economic families crumble under the economic pressures.

You are a confused bunny, aren't you?  I do not even discuss Democracy - I say 'our form of democracy' - there are many forms - and the one continuous issue that is raised in all my learned postings is how dreadfully flawed ours is.... I don't have time to cover the ills of all the rest while draining the swamps here...

Now then - how do YOU see personal sovereignty, agency, etc and personal choice fitting in with OUR democracy....

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm: My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen. Answer no. But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them. What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew. China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies. Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests .... why the hell are you even living here. Like you, I am an Australian Citizen. I have a chance at Freedom of Speech and Thought, just as you do.  What makes you right and me wrong?  Nothing.  My thoughts are founded on extensive study and learning of strategic thought.  I do not believe that Australia should act irresponsibly and be provoking a conflict with the PLAN, unlike it seems you.  I believe we should avoid war at all costs because I do not believe in the unnecessary sacrifice of Australian lives.  Australia has a reputation of fairness and strategic might when it is required.  If we go to war we usually have good reasons for doing so.  You OTOH are running round like a chook with it's head cut off, panicking at every opportunity.  As I've said, the PLAN has basically done nothing wrong except lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise.  It's live fire exercise has just disrupted a few international flights, thats all.  We have reacted responsibly.  Our strategic plans do not cover the east coast as much as the north-west coast.  We have JINDALEE the most advanced over-the-horizon radar, we have Poseidon aircraft and we have NORFORCE.  We could have more but what we have is adequate.  The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

So Albo does nuffin' when international shipping is threatened. "Too far".

Albo does nuffin' when the Chinese navy sails around Australia, conducting live fire exercises. Nuffin' to see here.

Promises statehood to Hamas as forward for Oct 7. "Penny Dreadful told me to."

But Albo is considering sending Australian troops to the Ukraine.


The kind of Bbwianesque "strategic thought" that has earned you the  sobriquet of "spineless apologist cockwomble".

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 9:22am:

Albo does nuffin' when the Chinese navy sails around Australia, conducting live fire exercises. Nuffin' to see here.

thats right nothing to see here .. we do live fire exercises with the US in international waters off chinas coast, back then your ilk cried that they could bugger off as it was international waters. ... You can stop screeching now.

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. what makes you think they didn't?  :D :D

;D You asleep at the wheel?

Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders?

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:50am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm: My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen. Answer no. But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them. What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew. China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies. Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests .... why the hell are you even living here. But Gnads, you have to be realistic.  We were barely able to keep a track of all the Asylum and fishing boats from Indonesia, over a smaller (but still very large) body of water.    Of course, in this case, we know where they are.  But if they did not notify the government in advance that there is going to be live fire exercise, how would anyone else know?   Its not like we have a hidden camera or a microphone in their control rooms.

Ridiculous comparisons.

We need the Defence budget lifted so we can monitor our whole coastline.

And our inability to even successfully monitor illegal fishing vessels and people smugglers from Indonesia should be rectified ASAP.

That's the reason why they and now the Chinese treat us as joke .... and continue doing whatever they want.

Do you feel protected as an Australian?

I certainly don't.

We can't even protect our citizens from our own & imported criminals.

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 10:34am:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:50am: Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm: My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen. Answer no. But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them. What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew. China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies. Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests .... why the hell are you even living here. But Gnads, you have to be realistic.  We were barely able to keep a track of all the Asylum and fishing boats from Indonesia, over a smaller (but still very large) body of water.    Of course, in this case, we know where they are.  But if they did not notify the government in advance that there is going to be live fire exercise, how would anyone else know?   Its not like we have a hidden camera or a microphone in their control rooms.  Ridiculous comparisons. We need the Defence budget lifted so we can monitor our whole coastline. And our inability to even successfully monitor illegal fishing vessels and people smugglers from Indonesia should be rectified ASAP. That's the reason why they and now the Chinese treat us as joke .... and continue doing whatever they want. Do you feel protected as an Australian? I certainly don't. We can't even protect our citizens from our own & imported criminals.

And here is the dilemma.  In order for us to increase our defence spending to 3% or more of our GDP, we would have to fork out a lot of money, but where would those money come from? 

1.  We are exporting most of our stuff to China, however, as the trade war intensifies between China and USA.  We are caught in the cross fire.   We’ve tried to open other markets, but this would take decades of talks and agreements. 
2. We cancel AUKUS - but then, the USA will get angry especially under Trump, and who knows what sort of trade punishment he would dish our way if we do this.    If we stay with AUKUS - the price of the subs will surely increase under Trump in the near future.  We will be taking on more debts for the same stuff - delivered or not.    Remember 300 billion dollars is the current mineral wealth that Trump is after in Ukraine.
3. We reduce pension, medicare, social services.   But this would be political suicide, as we are heading into an ageing crisis.    Most voters will be older, and will have a big say.
4. We increase taxes -income or GST.   That would be a suicide pill for any political party. 

So as you see, we are in a fairly difficult situation right now.   There are always ‘good to have’,s and try to ‘stand on own feet.’s.   But it’s easier said than done.

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 10:28am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:41am: Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. what makes you think they didn't?  :D :D ;D You asleep at the wheel? Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders?

i doubt those that surveil our waters run to the pm every time a ship enters international waters  :D

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 11:51am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm: My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen. Answer no. But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them. What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew. China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies. Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests .... why the hell are you even living here. Like you, I am an Australian Citizen. I have a chance at Freedom of Speech and Thought, just as you do.  What makes you right and me wrong?  Nothing.  My thoughts are founded on extensive study and learning of strategic thought.  I do not believe that Australia should act irresponsibly and be provoking a conflict with the PLAN, unlike it seems you.  I believe we should avoid war at all costs because I do not believe in the unnecessary sacrifice of Australian lives.  Australia has a reputation of fairness and strategic might when it is required.  If we go to war we usually have good reasons for doing so.  You OTOH are running round like a chook with it's head cut off, panicking at every opportunity.  As I've said, the PLAN has basically done nothing wrong except lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise.  It's live fire exercise has just disrupted a few international flights, thats all.  We have reacted responsibly.  Our strategic plans do not cover the east coast as much as the north-west coast.  We have JINDALEE the most advanced over-the-horizon radar, we have Poseidon aircraft and we have NORFORCE.  We could have more but what we have is adequate.  The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

1. You believe whatever Bwyan - you're views on my views are assumptive BS.

2. I did not suggest Australia should "provoke" PLAN - more assumptive BS - not strategic thought.

3. More BS.

4."lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise". So why was that diplomatic courtesy given to PNG 2 weeks earlier when no live firing was going to occur in their waters?

It seems that the whole exercise was deliberate as a muscle flexor to make a point ... a provocation as it were.

Never mind you failing to accept the deliberate provocation a fortnight ago when the Chinese fighter fired it's anti missile flares at our Orion Surveillance plane in International Airspace over the Sth China sea.
They lied accusing Australia of being in Chinese air space.

Do you see how one sided their actions and your excuse making for them are? ... never mind you defending our lack of monitoring capability off our coast line.

5. They had no right to be disrupting International Flights out of Australia because of their lack of diplomacy and consideration.
Imagine the shoe on the other foot. ::)

6. JINDALEE & NORFORCE weren't worth 2 knobs of goat poo in this instance.

7. Of the 12 P-8A Poseidon aircraft the RAAF has how many were operational?
None of them were tracking/observing these PLAN vessels. We had to rely commercial airlines to advise on their live firing exercise.

8."The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China".

Yes and what should that tell you abut our defense and reaction capabilities being inadequate? Tsk tsk tsk ::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 10:56am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:28am: John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:41am: Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. what makes you think they didn't?  :D :D ;D You asleep at the wheel? Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders? i doubt those that surveil our waters run to the pm every time a ship enters international waters  :D

It wasn't just a "ship" now was it?  ::)

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:56am: Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:28am: John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:41am: Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. what makes you think they didn't?  :D :D ;D You asleep at the wheel? Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders? i doubt those that surveil our waters run to the pm every time a ship enters international waters  :D It wasn't just a "ship" now was it?  ::)

they still don't run to the pm every time one enters international waters  ::)

John Smith wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 11:14am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:56am: Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:28am: John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:41am: Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am: But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast. what makes you think they didn't?  :D :D ;D You asleep at the wheel? Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders? i doubt those that surveil our waters run to the pm every time a ship enters international waters  :D It wasn't just a "ship" now was it?  ::) they still don't run to the pm every time one enters international waters  ::)

Ahh so you're privy to those goings on?

Did the helicopter come and get you in the middle of the night?

BTW knucklehead most of the waters between Australia/Torres Strait Islands and Saibai Island are Australian territorial waters .... with the North East Channel being allocated as the International shipping corridor.

That's why the Chinese PLAN should have given the same heads up to our Govt as it did to the PNG govt 2 weeks earlier. They weren't do live fire drills up there.

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 11:07am:

1. You believe whatever Bwyan - you're views on my views are assumptive BS.

My views on your views are based upon your running 'round like a chook which has had it's head cut off.  There isn't a situation that doesn't alarm you, Gnads.  You're like an old woman which bleats at the first chance whenever something happens.  You refuse to celebrate Australia at all, you just moan and carp.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


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2. I did not suggest Australia should "provoke" PLAN - more assumptive BS - not strategic thought. 3. More BS.

What are you suggesting then?  More surveillance, as if that will cure everything.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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4."lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise". So why was that diplomatic courtesy given to PNG 2 weeks earlier when no live firing was going to occur in their waters? It seems that the whole exercise was deliberate as a muscle flexor to make a point ... a provocation as it were. Never mind you failing to accept the deliberate provocation a fortnight ago when the Chinese fighter fired it's anti missile flares at our Orion Surveillance plane in International Airspace over the Sth China sea. They lied accusing Australia of being in Chinese air space. Do you see how one sided their actions and your excuse making for them are? ... never mind you defending our lack of monitoring capability off our coast line. 5. They had no right to be disrupting International Flights out of Australia because of their lack of diplomacy and consideration. Imagine the shoe on the other foot. ::) 6. JINDALEE & NORFORCE weren't worth 2 knobs of goat poo in this instance.

JINDALEE and Norforce were worth a great deal more than you think.  Their problem is that they only cover the NW Coast, not the East Coast.  Obviously we need to spend more and improve our surveillance of the East Coast.


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7. Of the 12 P-8A Poseidon aircraft the RAAF has how many were operational? None of them were tracking/observing these PLAN vessels. We had to rely commercial airlines to advise on their live firing exercise.

The P-8 Poseidons were nearly all operational and were busy on other tasks.


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8."The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China". Yes and what should that tell you abut our defense and reaction capabilities being inadequate? Tsk tsk tsk ::) ::) ::)

They were more than adequate.  Again, I ask exacly was what was wanted?  All out war with the Chinese?  Get real, we are treading very dangerous waters indeed if that is what you want.  Such Naivety, such foolishness, typical of a WOFTAM who knows bugger all about defence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 12:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 11:07am: 1. You believe whatever Bwyan - you're views on my views are assumptive BS. My views on your views are based upon your running 'round like a chook which has had it's head cut off.  There isn't a situation that doesn't alarm you, Gnads.  You're like an old woman which bleats at the first chance whenever something happens.  You refuse to celebrate Australia at all, you just moan and carp.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Quote: 2. I did not suggest Australia should "provoke" PLAN - more assumptive BS - not strategic thought. 3. More BS. What are you suggesting then?  More surveillance, as if that will cure everything.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) [quote] 4."lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise". So why was that diplomatic courtesy given to PNG 2 weeks earlier when no live firing was going to occur in their waters? It seems that the whole exercise was deliberate as a muscle flexor to make a point ... a provocation as it were. Never mind you failing to accept the deliberate provocation a fortnight ago when the Chinese fighter fired it's anti missile flares at our Orion Surveillance plane in International Airspace over the Sth China sea. They lied accusing Australia of being in Chinese air space. Do you see how one sided their actions and your excuse making for them are? ... never mind you defending our lack of monitoring capability off our coast line. 5. They had no right to be disrupting International Flights out of Australia because of their lack of diplomacy and consideration. Imagine the shoe on the other foot. ::) 6. JINDALEE & NORFORCE weren't worth 2 knobs of goat poo in this instance.

JINDALEE and Norforce were worth a great deal more than you think.  Their problem is that they only cover the NW Coast, not the East Coast.  Obviously we need to spend more and improve our surveillance of the East Coast.


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7. Of the 12 P-8A Poseidon aircraft the RAAF has how many were operational? None of them were tracking/observing these PLAN vessels. We had to rely commercial airlines to advise on their live firing exercise.

The P-8 Poseidons were nearly all operational and were busy on other tasks.


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8."The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China". Yes and what should that tell you abut our defense and reaction capabilities being inadequate? Tsk tsk tsk ::) ::) ::)

They were more than adequate.  Again, I ask exacly was what was wanted?  All out war with the Chinese?  Get real, we are treading very dangerous waters indeed if that is what you want.  Such Naivety, such foolishness, typical of a WOFTAM who knows bugger all about defence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)[/quote]


https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1740631876/65#65

Poor, poor, little, Soren, what a WOFTAM you have proved yourself to be.  All alone out there, wasting our time with your constant Trolling and Sniping at everybody and everything you disagree with.  You are like a little boy who's thrown his Teddy out of his pram, bleating that the world is against him because it is full of non-White people who seem quite happily getting on with their lives. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 11:21am:

Ahh so you're privy to those goings on?

I'm not pretending to know anything, I just asked you some questions to try and clarify your statement. You were the one making dumb statements on a subject you are clearly clueless on. :D

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2025 at 2:56pm:

Poor, poor, little, Soren, what a WOFTAM you have proved yourself to be.  All alone out there, wasting our time with your constant Trolling and Sniping at everybody and everything you disagree with.  You are like a little boy who's thrown his Teddy out of his pram, bleating that the world is against him because it is full of non-White people who seem quite happily getting on with their lives. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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