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Message started by Daves2017 on Mar 30th, 2025 at 7:55pm

Title: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Mar 30th, 2025 at 7:55pm
https://peoplefirstparty.au/

I’m particularly impressed he was sacked by the lnp for not towing the government line on covid 19.

Thoughts ?

Expressions of interest?

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Bobby. on Mar 30th, 2025 at 8:03pm

Just don't vote for any major party -

they have all had their go and stuffed up.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 30th, 2025 at 8:09pm
The man is a lunatic.  He is anti-vaccination, a climate-denialist, a Russophile and a fool.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Mar 30th, 2025 at 8:47pm
^ interesting thoughts.

Exactly what I was hoping for with this thread.

It’s easy for me to believe in something  that is appealing to myself but much harder and worth the effort to consider others  completely different point of view!

I don’t wish to waste my vote.

Please keep opinions coming!

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 30th, 2025 at 9:43pm
Rennick is pretty good he attends senate hearings asks difficult questions he is one of the few who deserves his taxpayer funded salary.

My local seat is safe labor not many candidates this is how i will vote.
1.Pauline
2. Ind
3.Liberal
4.Labor
5.Greens
One Nation is unlikely to get in it's not a wasted vote as ON gets the electoral funding for being number 1.
Whoever you put at 1 gets electoral funding thanks to taxpayers.
Kick the majors in the hip pocket like they have kicked us don't put them at 1.

In the Senate you have to mark at least 6 above the line for me it's -
Libertarian
Rennick
Pauline
Trumpet of Patriots
Shooters Fishers Farmers
Maybe Cannabis or another Ind or family first Queenslanders should consider Katter.

Do not vote for Greens Labor Liberals Teals or Vegans from Animal Justice party or Fatimas muslim party in the senate.
This will send a message to the Uniparty

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 30th, 2025 at 9:49pm
Teals are AWFULs

Affluent White Female Urban Leftists

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Mar 30th, 2025 at 9:52pm
Not to mention that he wants to convert all native title into freehold at the discretion of the 'traditional owners' past.... they're not current traditional owners because, put simply, they lost it in their frontier wars ...

My policy, on the other hand is that traditional ownership be absolutely clarified to mean traditional use of land and traditional practices, as long as those do not interfere with private property or do not create claims of absolute ownership due to past wandering about on it.  Shared land on Crown land and in National Parks - and then specified areas set aside for absolute freehold to build homes etc without restricting their access and use of traditional lands.

Either this is resolved once and for all - or a Two State solution is the only way forward - and we all know that all those tiny tribal fortress mentality groups that do not make up First Nations by a long chalk will only fight one another there... so their best option is to accept limited freehold sufficient for genuine needs etc within their own area/region, and Open Range for all over the rest, along with their right to pursue traditional practices, including ceremonies on either specifically set aside sites or by giving notice, in which latter case the authorities will shut down part of Open Range for that time to allow them to proceed.

They can cut the dicks of the young men etc if they like if the young men want that - just not too sure about any right to introduce the young girls to their allotted place in life by shagging them wide... only if they want it that way.  Choice-mobile each and every way.. that's the game, but personal choice under the law.

Anyway - if they scattered those ashes of that bloke on Mt Panorama - it can't be sacred because they've lost him!!  So how can they point to to where his spirit is etc?  Blown away by the wind and washed away by the rain.... adios old-timer.... your ash is grass by now .... hasta la vista.... the answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind of a passing GT Falcon or something...  swirling up behind.... say, Brockie - can you smell roast pork or something?  Nah - it'll just be that old fullah they scattered up here...


Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Bobby. on Mar 30th, 2025 at 10:27pm

Politicians don't care about you at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Z1lLUMfw

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Mar 31st, 2025 at 7:45am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 30th, 2025 at 9:43pm:
Rennick is pretty good he attends senate hearings asks difficult questions he is one of the few who deserves his taxpayer funded salary.

My local seat is safe labor not many candidates this is how i will vote.
1.Pauline
2. Ind
3.Liberal
4.Labor
5.Greens
One Nation is unlikely to get in it's not a wasted vote as ON gets the electoral funding for being number 1.
Whoever you put at 1 gets electoral funding thanks to taxpayers.
Kick the majors in the hip pocket like they have kicked us don't put them at 1.

In the Senate you have to mark at least 6 above the line for me it's -
Libertarian
Rennick
Pauline
Trumpet of Patriots
Shooters Fishers Farmers
Maybe Cannabis or another Ind or family first Queenslanders should consider Katter.

Do not vote for Greens Labor Liberals Teals or Vegans from Animal Justice party or Fatimas muslim party in the senate.
This will send a message to the Uniparty


I feel I’m making progress here!

A better question I might have asked is-

How can I vote so that  labor and Lnp suffer the most?

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by SerialBrain9 on Mar 31st, 2025 at 8:49am

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 30th, 2025 at 7:55pm:
https://peoplefirstparty.au/

I’m particularly impressed he was sacked by the lnp for not towing the government line on covid 19.

Thoughts ?

Expressions of interest?


SENATOR GERARD RENNICK Is a great choice…

He has exposed the fraud of climate change and how the likes of the BOM have been manipulating historical temperature data to make it appear that we are getting Warmer…

He’s also well trained and educated - something you wont find in our major political parties… especially the likes of Labor/Greens/Teals… dumb as rocks…

QUALIFICATIONS
BCom(Acc&Fin) (University of Queensland)
MTax (University of Sydney)
MAppFin (Financial Services Institute of Australasia)
Graduate (AICD) (Australian Institute of Company Directors)
FCPA (CPA Australia)
Fellow of the Financial Services Institute of Australasia
Finance Executive

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 31st, 2025 at 9:03am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 30th, 2025 at 8:09pm:
The man is a lunatic.  He is anti-vaccination, a climate-denialist, a Russophile and a fool.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


Yep.

He's a Putin-loving white supremacist.


Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by John Smith on Mar 31st, 2025 at 9:05am

Quote:
Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib


you could always vote for the Trumpet of Patriots party and really waste your vote whilst supporting our very own billionaire crook?

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by SerialBrain9 on Mar 31st, 2025 at 9:06am
Starting from the bottom of my voting card…

Last - GREENS
TEALS
LABOR
Then Minor left independents
Liberals/Nationals

Up Top..
Conservative Minor Parties and Independents

People First
Family First
Shooters/Fishers
One Nation
Trumpets 🎺 lol

Anyone that will pull us out of the UN, WHO and tells the WEF to GGF 🖕

who will build new Coal and Nuclear power stations
who will charge royalties on our resources
who will save resources for Australia First
who will put AUSTRALIA FIRST
who will stop insane high levels of immigration

for a start…

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by SerialBrain9 on Mar 31st, 2025 at 9:41am
Meanwhile - Albo and the Chinese 🇨🇳 ..
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Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Captain Nemo on Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:49am
I'm going to vote Trumpet of Patriots in the Senate. They would be hilarious.  ;D

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:55am
Interesting..... I'm looking at a local Independent here

Senate... hmmmm ... all the majors last .... so.................

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by John Smith on Mar 31st, 2025 at 11:01am

SerialBrain9 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 9:41am:
Meanwhile - Albo and the Chinese 🇨🇳 ..


was that this guy?

https://7news.com.au/politics/federal-politics/hes-got-a-lot-to-explain-malcolm-turnbull-hits-out-at-peter-dutton-and-scott-morrison-c-50279

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Captain Nemo on Mar 31st, 2025 at 11:13am
Here are my candidates:



In 2022 I voted for Julian Hill.

This time, I'll be putting Julian Hill last.

I'll vote for the guy from Afghanistan 1st.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by freediver on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:12pm
Rennick is an absolute nutcase. I once listened to him explain how a university professor gave him an equation for temperature change due to GHG emissions, and it came to something absurdly small like 0.0001 degrees C. I think he was using the ideal gas law and assuming GHG emissions cause heating by compressing the atmosphere against a big glass ceiling in the sky. He was very insistent that because a university professor gave him the equation, it must be legit.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by John Smith on Mar 31st, 2025 at 1:44pm

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!


why would any sane person give a nutter a vote in parliament?

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:56pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 1:44pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!


why would any sane person give a nutter a vote in parliament?

We’ll ask the people who vote for Barnaby Joyce, Tony abbot, mark Latham?

Every village needs a idiot and so does every country!

They must make you laugh?

They are nothing but all well paid clowns 🤡

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by John Smith on Mar 31st, 2025 at 4:52pm

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:56pm:
We’ll ask the people who vote for Barnaby Joyce, Tony abbot, mark Latham?


i did ... all they could come up with was 'it's not labor'  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by SerialBrain9 on Apr 1st, 2025 at 5:37am

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 1:44pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!


why would any sane person give a nutter a vote in parliament?

We’ll ask the people who vote for Barnaby Joyce, Tony abbot, mark Latham?

Every village needs a idiot and so does every country!

They must make you laugh?

They are nothing but all well paid clowns 🤡


So basically all you were doing in this thread was a BAIT AND SWITCH…

You never had any intention of voting for anyone else but Labor/Greens no matter how bad or insane they are …

They could take a giant poo in your mouth and you’d still vote for them…

Stop wasting our time you jerk… 🖕

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by freediver on Apr 1st, 2025 at 6:21am

John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 1:44pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!


why would any sane person give a nutter a vote in parliament?


The Liberals did it with Rennick. The Greens did it with Sarah Hanson Young and a few others others. Labor did it also, but I can't think of the name. The big parties want people who will tow the party line in the Senate, because it is basically a free job to whoever is first on the senate ticket. And second and maybe third for the two major parties. So they put people there who show no inclination to think for themselves. Unfortunately they inevitably do, and the results can be unpredictable.

Rennick seems to have gotten his spot through large donations to the party.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 1st, 2025 at 8:43am

John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 1:44pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!


why would any sane person give a nutter a vote in parliament?


Because he'd be a perfect fit.......



        do not vote for any major party group                         put your vote where it counts                              vote for someone real                               

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Apr 1st, 2025 at 2:11pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Apr 1st, 2025 at 5:37am:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 1:44pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
I’ll admit I wasn’t sure about him but once I saw his recent Facebook post on the jfk assassination saying it was completely clear watching the film the driver in the  car reached around and shot jfc I was sold!

He has the potential to be so funny he might even give Barnaby a run for the idiot of the year title!

He definitely has my vote!


why would any sane person give a nutter a vote in parliament?

We’ll ask the people who vote for Barnaby Joyce, Tony abbot, mark Latham?

Every village needs a idiot and so does every country!

They must make you laugh?

They are nothing but all well paid clowns 🤡


So basically all you were doing in this thread was a BAIT AND SWITCH…

You never had any intention of voting for anyone else but Labor/Greens no matter how bad or insane they are …

They could take a giant poo in your mouth and you’d still vote for them…

Stop wasting our time you jerk… 🖕


Don’t know what you had for breakfast Cereal 9 but it doesn’t help your mood.

I’m definitely not voting Labor, Bobby says it best Albo must go go!

I’m happy to admit I have voted greens before but I will not have anything to do with them now .

My thread is in good faith.
I have asked advice about independents and alternatives to both labor and the Lnp.

If I just wanted to agree with my myself I wouldn’t have started it.

I’m open too considering other people views and really I thank everyone for sharing.

Sadly, I must admit I’m not a expert on anything but I can listen and learn.

Australia is a amazing country.
I’d just like to vote in such a way it becomes more amazing!

All I’ve witnessed in the last two decades is a treading water or going backwards government.

Anyway cereal, go suck a lollipop,  sucker!

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 1st, 2025 at 4:54pm

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 1st, 2025 at 2:11pm:
I’m happy to admit I have voted greens before but I will not have anything to do with them now .


I voted for Latham when he was against Howard, unlike most lefties i can admit to this.

I also voted for Greens when Bob Brown was the leader it's amusing how they use a watermelon to show support for Palestine when Greens are Green on the outside and commie red to the core



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Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 1st, 2025 at 5:00pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:12pm:
Rennick is an absolute nutcase.


I have listened to him in senate inquiries i think he is well above average for our politicians.


Quote:
The hard questions never get answered do they.

This is typical of how press conferences work.

You only get to ask questions they want to answer.

That’s how you get an invite as a journalist, don’t ask the hard questions.

Perfect example of how the establishment media and the establishment politicians behave.

It’s all a stage.

Housing for young people is one of the most important issues of this election.

If Albanese cared about it and had a solution for it, he could have answered it.


https://x.com/SenatorRennick/status/1906836413015789650


AnAl never answered that question the young man was thrown out and branded a far right nazi

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by KangAnon on Apr 1st, 2025 at 5:02pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:49am:
I'm going to vote Trumpet of Patriots in the Senate. They would be hilarious.  ;D


"For the lulz" votes gave the US Trump.  Keep that in mind when you're making your selection.

Also, it gave us Ralph Babet...

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Dnarever on Apr 1st, 2025 at 6:03pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:49am:
I'm going to vote Trumpet of Patriots in the Senate. They would be hilarious.  ;D


I have been trying to block all their lying adds.

There is no worse vote than that one. The adds alone make me sick.

It's like pissing your pants you may think its warm for a very short time.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Daves2017 on Apr 1st, 2025 at 6:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 1st, 2025 at 6:03pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:49am:
I'm going to vote Trumpet of Patriots in the Senate. They would be hilarious.  ;D


I have been trying to block all their lying adds.

There is no worse vote than that one. The adds alone make me sick.

It's like pissing your pants you may think its warm for a very short time.


Oh that’s enough to place them second on my voting/ clown selector paper!

Clive always took the piss😂

Collecting half a million pa last time elected and couldn’t be bothered too even show up in Canberra🤣🤣🤣

JStill got paid. I think the point he made was too much for the mainstream media to consider?

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by freediver on Apr 1st, 2025 at 7:43pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 1st, 2025 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 12:12pm:
Rennick is an absolute nutcase.


I have listened to him in senate inquiries i think he is well above average for our politicians.


Quote:
The hard questions never get answered do they.

This is typical of how press conferences work.

You only get to ask questions they want to answer.

That’s how you get an invite as a journalist, don’t ask the hard questions.

Perfect example of how the establishment media and the establishment politicians behave.

It’s all a stage.

Housing for young people is one of the most important issues of this election.

If Albanese cared about it and had a solution for it, he could have answered it.


https://x.com/SenatorRennick/status/1906836413015789650


AnAl never answered that question the young man was thrown out and branded a far right nazi


He seems completely sane so long as you do not pay any attention to the details.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 1st, 2025 at 8:26pm
Well - the government that loves to hate me is employing me again to do the election - those in the know will understand the two way street there..... and I'm still thinking about who to vote for - I KNOW it will be none of the major party groups ... which leaves a couple of Independents...

One is a country lad born and bred ... If I was up north I'd vote for that Caz sheila - the nurse.

I oppose feminism - I do not oppose women.......... but since feminism and Party women are interlocked in a death embrace - I will not vote for Party women ... so party on without me, dudesses and dudes.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 1st, 2025 at 8:33pm

freediver wrote on Apr 1st, 2025 at 7:43pm:
He seems completely sane so long as you do not pay any attention to the details.


He wants to hand over all 'native title' as freehold - has he actually looked at what is 'held' under 'native title'?

Hier iss der news - I wrote this to a lady in Israel who posted about Arabs and Israel and who occupies and owns etc:-

We have the same problem here - my antecedents came here in the 1850’s, my children and grand-children were all born here… we are now being told we are ‘guests’ in our own country.

Our ‘Indigenous’ who are the result of consecutive waves of ‘invasion' going back for centuries - meaning there are no real ‘First Peoples’ here - are attempting to put across that all we latter settlers etc, regardless of generations etc, are nothing but guests in our own country. A university law program - believe this - actually demanded that each student create a ‘welcome to country’ or fail, and children in a school were asked to raise their hands if they were White or recent immigrants - and then were told that those in that category were only ‘guests’ here at the whim of the ‘residents’ - whose tenure has been long gone.

This has lead to me leading the way for a Two State Solution for ‘us and them’ - those who do not wish to be part of our modern nation can go there voluntarily - and take all their criminals with them by court order.

We cannot persist with two ‘states’ functioning side by side = segregation - and we cannot accept their demands for ‘control over land, water and resources’ = the life’s blood of the nation - and their endless demands for both huge chunks of land to cater to the past meandering - not settlements - of groups of no more than fifty or so, AND their demands for their own laws to be used here for them.

Under that set of demands - and I do not give in to demands (‘Nuts’) - I see the best solution, in the end, is a Two State Policy with a Homeland set aside for them to romp as they choose.


Now bring me some REAL hatred, you wooses....   8-)

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by KangAnon on Apr 2nd, 2025 at 7:38am

John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 4:52pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:56pm:
We’ll ask the people who vote for Barnaby Joyce, Tony abbot, mark Latham?


i did ... all they could come up with was 'it's not labor'  :D :D :D


Yeah, their brainwashing is deep.

We've seen in this thread, they'll even vote for the guy from Afganistan over Labor, and we know how much they loooove immigrants.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Frank on Apr 26th, 2025 at 10:48am
Australians, at least those with their thinking caps on, will not need reminding that elections here are meaningless affairs, representative democracy-wise. They are contested by two undeserving branches of the UniParty that together struggle to get two thirds of the primary vote. They bury important issues. They reduce policy debate to the lowest common denominator. In doing so, they bring the major parties even closer to one another than they normally are. And the legacy media steers the conversation ever towards the UniParty.


On reflection, Oz elections are much worse than simply meaningless. They are occasions of electoral sin.

The May 3 2025 election is a shameless auction, even worse than most. It has the usual ingredients. Non-problems consuming attention and dollars. Real problems – such as the deep household recession, the ghastly fruits of mass immigration, the crashing of our energy economy, fiscal incontinence on a grand scale, rampant and largely unchecked anti-Semitism, ongoing attacks on free speech, endless wokism and Aboriginal ‘welcomes-to-country’ – being parked. Promises that will be broken at will ‘as circumstances change’. Inevitable, unmandated actions forthcoming. More rule by the unelected bureaucrats of the managerial class.


Australians with the inclination and nous to build alternate, winning coalitions of alt-parties with a sense of what we-the-people want from government seem totally unable to do so.  The splintered alt-right is more splintered than ever, with yet new micro-parties emerging. They have names like the Libertarian Party, Family First, the Family Party – yes, there are even two ‘family’ parties – People First, One Nation (think Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts), and – yes, this true – Trumpet of Patriots, the closest thing we have to an unapologetic MAGA party; though led by the quirky, outsider, billionaire miner, Clive Palmer, an absolute Covid hero to boot, still destined to remain very, very micro, alas.


So there are no compelling, larger-than-life leaders to excite us, even to distract us, this time around. No Trump, of course. No Orban. No Milei. No Meloni. No Farage (even with all his now-manifest shortcomings). No need to ‘make Australia great again’.

We are fine, apparently. But we aren’t! Professor David Flint in the Spectator Australia argues that we are crying out for new leadership: ‘Not since the fall of Singapore has there been such apprehension about the future of Australia.’



What the ‘club sensible’ centre of the electorate fears more than anything else is the return of Albanese but with minority government status. Because of the concentration of progressive greenies in inner-urban electorates, the Greens and the mostly rich, woke, climate action-obsessed women who are known as ‘the Teals’ are able to win a goodly number of seats. The thought of this lot – think of a bunch of female, climate-botherer Keir Starmers – bargaining with Labor for their preferred ‘vision’ and shopping list of demonic actions is beyond disastrous.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/who-to-vote-for-nonentity-or-nobody/

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Frank on Apr 26th, 2025 at 11:00am

Frank wrote on Apr 26th, 2025 at 10:48am:
Australians, at least those with their thinking caps on, will not need reminding that elections here are meaningless affairs, representative democracy-wise. They are contested by two undeserving branches of the UniParty that together struggle to get two thirds of the primary vote. They bury important issues. They reduce policy debate to the lowest common denominator. In doing so, they bring the major parties even closer to one another than they normally are. And the legacy media steers the conversation ever towards the UniParty.


On reflection, Oz elections are much worse than simply meaningless. They are occasions of electoral sin.

The May 3 2025 election is a shameless auction, even worse than most. It has the usual ingredients. Non-problems consuming attention and dollars. Real problems – such as the deep household recession, the ghastly fruits of mass immigration, the crashing of our energy economy, fiscal incontinence on a grand scale, rampant and largely unchecked anti-Semitism, ongoing attacks on free speech, endless wokism and Aboriginal ‘welcomes-to-country’ – being parked. Promises that will be broken at will ‘as circumstances change’. Inevitable, unmandated actions forthcoming. More rule by the unelected bureaucrats of the managerial class.


Australians with the inclination and nous to build alternate, winning coalitions of alt-parties with a sense of what we-the-people want from government seem totally unable to do so.  The splintered alt-right is more splintered than ever, with yet new micro-parties emerging. They have names like the Libertarian Party, Family First, the Family Party – yes, there are even two ‘family’ parties – People First, One Nation (think Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts), and – yes, this true – Trumpet of Patriots, the closest thing we have to an unapologetic MAGA party; though led by the quirky, outsider, billionaire miner, Clive Palmer, an absolute Covid hero to boot, still destined to remain very, very micro, alas.


So there are no compelling, larger-than-life leaders to excite us, even to distract us, this time around. No Trump, of course. No Orban. No Milei. No Meloni. No Farage (even with all his now-manifest shortcomings). No need to ‘make Australia great again’.

We are fine, apparently. But we aren’t! Professor David Flint in the Spectator Australia argues that we are crying out for new leadership: ‘Not since the fall of Singapore has there been such apprehension about the future of Australia.’



What the ‘club sensible’ centre of the electorate fears more than anything else is the return of Albanese but with minority government status. Because of the concentration of progressive greenies in inner-urban electorates, the Greens and the mostly rich, woke, climate action-obsessed women who are known as ‘the Teals’ are able to win a goodly number of seats. The thought of this lot – think of a bunch of female, climate-botherer Keir Starmers – bargaining with Labor for their preferred ‘vision’ and shopping list of demonic actions is beyond disastrous.
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We cannot vote our way out of the Western mess. The 2025 Australian election is living proof of the truth of his claim. Whoever wins here will inherit an unholy mess, and will not have the will to address it.

Of course, he could be talking about next week's Canadian election or last month's German election. As we have noted, Fred Merz, the incoming chancellor in Berlin, has yet to take office but what Americans call the honeymoon is over before the coalition has been officially pronounced man and wife. Hermann Binkert, head honcho of Germany's INSA polling agency, says the country has never seen loss of approval on this scale between the election and the formation of the government. The so-called "far-right" AfD is now leading in multiple polls. Which would be super-exciting if voting hadn't already taken place.

In America, the new administration certainly has the "will to address" the "unholy mess" but the Trumpian Gulliver is beset on all sides by District Court Lilliputians whose position is that what a Democrat president has done cannot "lawfully" be undone. This is a pseudo-"constitutional" recognition of the practical reality of electoral politics throughout the west: the choice is between a Leftward Ho! party and a Ratchet party. If the Left wins, they dissolve the border and trannify your kids. If the "Right" wins (Stephen Harper, Scott Morrison), they may pause some of the more obviously crazy stuff but they never actually reverse the direction of travel. Unless they're the UK Tories (Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak), in which case they stay in the leftie lane without even shifting down to third gear.

Title: Re: Other options to vote for than the duopoly lab/lib
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 26th, 2025 at 1:22pm
Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

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