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Message started by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 10:16am

Title: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 10:16am
Given Anthony Albanese’s policies, it’s fair to say he could easily be construed as Joe Biden-lite.

From reducing billions of dollars in student debt at the expense of taxpayers to having immigration hit record highs, the policies are all too familiar.  Of all the Biden policies that Albanese shares, the worst is unrealised capital gains tax.

So unpopular was it that Democrat blue bloods pleaded for Biden and his replacement Kamala Harris to drop it.  Paul Keating is probably telling Jim Chalmers to do the same.

Unrealised capital gains tax is actually simple to understand.

Say you have $100,000 in Commonwealth Bank shares. This year the bank’s stock price has gone up 7.3 per cent. If you don’t sell those shares then you have made an unrealised capital gain of $7300. Now pay $2190 of that or 30 per cent to the government.

Don’t have the cash? Bad luck. Sell something.


Got a family farm worth $1 million? Value goes up 4 per cent in a year. Even if you haven’t sold, you now owe the government 30 per cent of $40,000. So $12,000. Don’t have the cash? Bad luck.

And if the value goes down? Well don’t even think about a reimbursement of the tax you have already paid.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/election-2025-anthony-albanese-is-going-all-bidenlite-this-election-with-this-awful-unrealised-capital-gains-tax/news-story/591aed5ba7f8cdc22704cd84622127c6

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 10:29am
The biggest victims will be those trying to develop a new business and asking for capital to help.  Nobody will invest if they have to sell assets to pay for the unrealised gains tax. And if there is a later loss, they must wait for capital profits to get the money back.

Worse still, the valuation of assets will be left to the Australian Taxation Office to decide and, as we have seen so many times, there are bad as well as good people in the ATO.  If the “baddies” don’t like a particular person, they will do nasty things and valuation will be used as a weapon. The new Chalmers tax will clearly cause a substantial reduction in innovation and productivity in Australia.




It’s almost like Dr Chalmers is trying to destroy investment and productivity in the economy. This is by far the worst tax policy ever conceived in Australia.  Chalmers and all parliamentarians have a different superannuation scheme. They have the gravy train politician retirement scheme that will pay approx $200K per year tax free. As such unrealised capital gains will not affect them so why would they care?


Dr Chalmers did a PhD at ANU 20 years ago.  You can read it here: Brawler statesman: Paul Keating and prime ministerial leadership in Australia. Enjoy.

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by KangAnon on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:48am
Seems it would have veen wiser for the rich to pay their fair share without needing to put forward legislation such as this?

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:48am:
Seems it would have veen wiser for the rich to pay their fair share without needing to put forward legislation such as this?

Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.

You either do not understand it (you are stupid) or you understand it and still support it (vicious AND stupid).


Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by John Smith on Apr 29th, 2025 at 12:59pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am:
Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.



Why? You borrow money on unrealised gains. Is that stupid too?

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 11:58am:
Tax on UNREALISED gains is stupid.



Why? You borrow money on unrealised gains. Is that stupid too?

:D :D

I knew you wouldnt understand it.

Unrealised capital gains tax is actually simple to understand.

Say you have $100,000 in Commonwealth Bank shares. This year the bank’s stock price has gone up 7.3 per cent. If you don’t sell those shares then you have made an unrealised capital gain of $7300. Now pay $2190 of that or 30 per cent to the government.

Don’t have the cash? Bad luck. Sell something.

Got a family farm worth $1 million? Value goes up 4 per cent in a year. Even if you haven’t sold, you now owe the government 30 per cent of $40,000. So $12,000. Don’t have the cash? Bad luck.

And if the value goes down? Well don’t even think about a reimbursement of the tax you have already paid.

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by philperth2010 on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:20pm
Another rort the Coalition will not touch....Why should the rich pay any tax at all???


Quote:
New figures show capital gains now outstrip wages – and yet mostly they go to the rich and untaxed

The amount of capital gains each year is now greater than the amount of wages earned

The latest figures on Australian wealth reveal that inequality is being driven by capital gains that overwhelmingly go to the wealthiest and are mostly untaxed.


https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/new-figures-show-capital-gains-now-outstrip-wages-and-yet-mostly-they-go-to-the-rich-and-untaxed/

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Dnarever on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:33pm

Quote:
Albo is Biden lite


I bet you think that is an insult.

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by John Smith on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by SerialBrain9 on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:08pm

Quote:
Tucker Carlson goes nuclear on Albanese who he says is bought and paid for by the Chinese.

‘My guess is you could probably buy Albanese for less than it costs to buy a Tesla.

This is a person with no job prospects. No obvious skills . Who has the respect of nobody including his wife.’

The reason he knows this is because the country is being invaded through unsustainable mass migration.

Selling out the future of our children.


💯%

https://x.com/saikate108/status/1916797137720942744?s=61&t=pr9sQbfDnRXI42Hsv2j5ag

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:17pm
Tucker Carlsen?  Wasn't he sacked by Fox News in the US for being incompetent?  What makes him qualified to comment on Australia?  An American WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:24pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Borrowing money is not the same as paying tax, you thicko. Just because they both involve money doesn't mean they are interchangeable, you thick, debit.


Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:17pm:
Tucker Carlsen?  Wasn't he sacked by Fox News in the US for being incompetent?  What makes him qualified to comment on Australia?  An American WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)



It's Carlson, you wacist parochial scandiphobe ignoramus.

Carlsen would be Danish or Norwegian. Carlson is Swedish. Everyone knows that, you igorant wacist oik.


Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Bobby. on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:38pm

Mar 19, 2025

Australia has trapped itself and as a result people are being PUNISHED for earning more.

It's call the 'Welfare Trap' and it's a serious thing which needs some political courage to fix.
But where will we find some of that?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XfDzzejrlg

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Bobby. on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:44pm
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/federal-election-2025-peter-dutton-bemoans-stark-reality-of-labors-planned-unrealised-capital-gains-tax-on-super-accounts/news-story/a063d7d9094e1663a412673f83e5bc25


Federal Election 2025: Peter Dutton bemoans stark ‘reality’ of Labor’s planned

unrealised capital gains tax on super accounts



Peter Dutton has painted a stark picture of the “reality” Australians face
if Labor legislates its plan to tax unrealised gains on assets in super funds.

James Harrison

Business Reporter
2 min read
April 28, 2025 - 5:25PM



Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has painted a stark picture of the “reality” Australians face if Labor legislates its plan to tax unrealised gains on assets in super funds.

The government has so far failed to pass legislation which would double the tax rate to 30 per cent on super balances over $3m - with the threshold also not indexed over time.

Labor's legislation would also mandate that Australians pay taxes for gains on assets - such as farms and properties – above the threshold in their super funds, even if they had not realised the return from these assets.

Speaking to reporters in the last week of the Federal Election campaign and following the final leaders debate on Sunday night, Mr Dutton tore into Labor’s planned changes to super and warned a minority government could hurt Aussies in their hip pocket.

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by Dnarever on Apr 29th, 2025 at 9:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:17pm:
Tucker Carlsen?  Wasn't he sacked by Fox News in the US for being incompetent?  What makes him qualified to comment on Australia?  An American WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


No he was sacked for being a liar who was part of the reason they had to pay $787Million to dominion..

FOX's defence of Tucker was to say that everyone knows that he lies so it doesn't really matter as nobody believes him anyway.

That argument relies heavily on the right and MAGA being a lot smarter than they are. The all believed every word he said and not only that they still quote his worthless opinion right up to today.

Title: Re: Albo is Biden lite - unrealised gain tax
Post by John Smith on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:34am

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
I knew you wouldnt understand it.


I merely asked you a question ... are you struggling to find an answer?

Borrowing money is not the same as paying tax, you thicko. Just because they both involve money doesn't mean they are interchangeable, you thick, debit.


no poo borrowing money is not the same as paying tax ya dumbarse. Good of you to state the bleeding obvious. I'm glad to see the money your parents spent on sending you to kindergarten wasn't totally wasted :D :D

Want to try again but this time go ask for help before answering lest you embarrass yourself further


if it can be used as a tangible asset that you can use as security, why shouldn't it equally be used as an asset that is used to determine liability?

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