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Nov 22nd, 2006 at 3:30pm
 
The following table is from today's article in the Australian summarising the Switkowski report. It compares the safety record of various electricity generation industries, but drastically skews the results in favour of nuclear. For example, the figure for coal includes the entire industry, which presumably includes mining where a lot of accidents have traditionally occured (and still do in many parts of the world). The deaths from nuclear power only include Chernobyl, and only include staff that died within four months. Are we to believe that there has not been a single death anywhere in the world from mining, refining and transporting uranium? The article mentions that 5000 more people may die prematurely as a result of Chernobyl alone, which would make it more dangerous than most of the other technologies, but conveniently leaves any reasonable statistic out of the table. For other industries, both figures are given where the statistics could be interpretted differently. See the 'fine print' at the bottom for more info.

               no. accidents  direct deaths  direct deaths per GWe/year
Coal          1221             25107             0.876
Oil              397              20853             0.436
Coal*          177               7090             0.690          
Natural gas  125               1978             0.093
LPG             105               3921             3.536  
Hydro            11             29938             4.265
Hydro**        10               3938             0.561
Nuclear           1                   31***       0.006

*excludes China
**excludes the Banqiao dam accident
***only includes Chernobyl staff who died within 4 months
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Reply #1 - Dec 9th, 2006 at 8:33pm
 
Of course the report has been modified to suit the Commonwealth's agenda and is definitely misleading in regard to deaths - but what else could we expect.  There have been hundreds of nuclear power station accidents - not as large as Chernobyl though - and I'm fairly sure there have been quite a few deaths from these "minor" accidents.

Generally it appears Australians don't want NP here and I'm certainly one of them.  These stations will be strategically placed on the east coast.   It's criminal that we are even considering nuclear power, considering we have so many natural resources - sunshine, wind and geo thermal.

There is another reason behind this.  Our government has done some deals we don't know about and it may be associated with our sales of uranium where we have to meet the obligation of having the depleted uranium sent back to us.

Whatever Switkowski said in his report - it's obvious it's only been prepared to suit the purposes of some multinationals who have put pressure on our government and will definitely involve us being "The World's First Nuclear Waste Dump".
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Reply #2 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 1:40pm
 
Nuclear power should be the last resort, not the first. If after several years of massive research and investment in solar/wind/tidal power it is truly discovered that these are unsuitable then perhaps we might move towards nuclear.

Of course no such discovery will be made. The mining and oil companies know this full well and are doing everything in their power to suppress renewable technology both in the laboratory and the media.

The fact that without checking out the facts the Lying Rodent went straight to nuclear goes to show his political cowardice, intellectual laziness and irrevocably reactionary cast of thought.

If any of you are thinking of voting for him next election I have a profound and simple message for you.

Don't.
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Reply #3 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 2:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2006 at 3:30pm:
               no. accidents  direct deaths  direct deaths per GWe/year
Coal          1221             25107             0.876
Oil              397              20853             0.436
Coal*          177               7090             0.690          
Natural gas  125               1978             0.093
LPG             105               3921             3.536  
Hydro            11             29938             4.265
Hydro**        10               3938             0.561
Nuclear           1                   31***       0.006

*excludes China
**excludes the Banqiao dam accident
***only includes Chernobyl staff who died within 4 months


I see that it says nuclear not, uranium so the report is true.

Obviously the report should have Uranium statistics as well, or instead. Just some fundamental I think trying to prove a point. There are a lot of better ways to argue for nuclear this person was just lazy.

Nuclear (Uranium) makes more energy than coal per head of labour.
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Reply #4 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 5:00pm
 
Switkowski has no right being lazy in his report.  I remember looking up figures a few months back and there were so many accidents in Japan at their nuclear processing plants.  Switkowski would have been paid possibly a $1 million or more to mislead us and it's disgusting the way this government pays and employs their mates to get the results they want to deceive the people.

How much are our politicians being paid by the conglomerates behind the proposed NP plants?



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Reply #5 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 5:30pm
 
A relative of mine once had a lecturer who was responsible for one of those accidents in Japan, which was why he is now teaching instead.
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Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 8:31am
 
I saw an interesting doco on SBS Monday night. I think it put the Chernobyl deaths at 52 - mostly from the cleanup crew, and a few thyroid cancers in children. Apparently there was radioactive iodine fallout which ended up in the food chain and in the cows milk, then in the thyroid glands of children. I might have some of those details wrong though.

The big point was that apart from that there was no measurable increase in cancer among the general population. Before Chernobyl, most of our knowledge was based on the aftermath of the bombs in Japan. Extrapolating from that to low doses they still expected a significant increase in cancer rates from Chernobyl, but it didn't happen. Maybe there is some kind of threshhold below which our bodies can deal with the radiation, but if you go above that then the cancer rate skyrockets.

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Reply #7 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 8:49am
 
Freediver - I don't think those figures are entirely accurate and believe they have been hushed up.  About a year ago I saw a documentary on the children born after Chernobyl whose parents lived in the surrounding area.

There was an entire orphanage full of brain damaged and deformed children - left to rot.  These poor little people had no stimulation, no comfort or love and were left to entertain themselves in huge empty rooms.  The few that were self destructive were tied up in order not to harm others or themselves.

It was a disgrace and I believe this was only the tip of the iceberg.  We will never know the full ramifications of the Chernobyl fallout as it is definitely being kept a global secret.  There's too much money to lose by world leaders if we knew the truth.
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Reply #8 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 8:55am
 
You get brain damaged kids anywhere, and in Russia that passes for standard health care for the mentally ill.
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Reply #9 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 10:32am
 
mantra wrote on Jan 5th, 2007 at 5:00pm:
Switkowski has no right being lazy in his report.  I remember looking up figures a few months back and there were so many accidents in Japan at their nuclear processing plants.  Switkowski would have been paid possibly a $1 million or more to mislead us and it's disgusting the way this government pays and employs their mates to get the results they want to deceive the people.

How much are our politicians being paid by the conglomerates behind the proposed NP plants?



Ziggy was the right choice when you look at his CV. For one he is a nuclear physician. I listened to his speach and I actually thought when he rapped up that he wasn't recommending it especially when he said 'not viable'.

Like all reports, he has handed it in and now the media will go to work disecting it and pulling out whatever they want to use to make Nuclear look good. (If they support Nuclear)

Maybe FreeDiver can talk to Ziggy and ask him to be a guess on this site for a couple of hours to answer everyone's questions. Another marketing drawcard for Oz Politics!
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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 10:34am
 
Got any contact details for him? PM me if you do.
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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 10:49am
 
Try emailing him from this site...

http://www.ceoforum.com.au/article-detail.cfm?cid=6124

Ziggy, I believe, would make a great leader to this country but it would be nice to know his views in other areas like Crime, Education, Health etc.

Hope you got this message - http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?threadid=155310&categoryid=11121&pg=2
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 10:55am
 
Yep, thanks for that.
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Ziggy's recommendations...
Reply #13 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 12:02pm
 
The six-member panel has made no specific recommendations in its report released today, but presents a number of "findings".

Among the chief findings is that it would be almost impossible to make a case for nuclear power were it not for concerns about harmful carbon emissions from coal-fired plants.

That is because coal and gas are so cheap in Australia, relative to other energy sources.

The report also makes clear the scientists do not believe renewable energy sources such as solar and wind will make substantial contributions to power needs.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20793011-5005080,00.html

Here's a great interview with Ziggy;

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1657941.htm
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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2007 at 7:24am
 
Enviro - maybe on paper Ziggy sounds like the best man for the job of compiling a Nuclear Report for the Howard government - but morally he isn't.  He is a capitalist and buddy of Howards for a start.

He is biased - that's obvious and his wages are paid by this Federal Government.  He has spent years running multicorporations and it's quite apparent where his interests lie.

Yes he can compile a feasible enough sounding nuclear report to impress his bosses - but it doesn't mean that he has been  honest.
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