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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Selling uranium to India is wrong: Rudd Reply #75 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 4:14pm oceanz wrote on Aug 16^th, 2007 at 3:47pm: At this stage I think its a bad idea..who know if India can be trusted? We can trust them more than China, to whom we sell uranium.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #76 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:17pm Has China signed the non-proliferation treaty?
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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #77 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:26pm freediver wrote on Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:17pm: Has China signed the non-proliferation treaty? Could you trust a Communist country which is running out of room?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #78 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:26pm I trust the treaty. They invaded Iraq over it. There's not much else you can do anyway.
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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #79 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:31pm freediver wrote on Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:26pm: I trust the treaty. They invaded Iraq over it. There's not much else you can do anyway. All we can do is wait and see. No point in us worrying about it. we have no say.
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Reply #80 - Aug 16^th, 2007 at 5:59pm

Uranium sale to fuel arms race: Imran

PAKISTANI cricketer turned politician Imran Khan has predicted that the Howard Government's decision to sell uranium to India will spark a new arms race on the subcontinent.

Khan, who leads the Movement for Justice party, told SBS Television last night that Australia's decision to export uranium would encourage generals in his country to spend more on weapons to counter India's access to nuclear fuel.

Australia has decided to sell uranium to India, but not Pakistan, because Foreign Minister Alexander Downer argues that India has a good record on weapons non-proliferation.

Khan said last night that Australia should have been even-handed in its decision on uranium exports. He said funds in Pakistan would now be diverted from human development to arms development, "and we will have a sort of arms race in the subcontinent which poor people in our countries cannot afford".

Asked whether Australia should have made the decision, he replied: "Absolutely not."

In comments that defy the upbeat assessments from Canberra that selling uranium to Delhi will make the world safer, India's chief scientific adviser, Rajagopala Chidambaram, said Delhi would decide which of its nuclear plants to open to inspectors and which would remain closed off.

In an interview with The Hindu newspaper, Mr Chidambaram said: "Whatever reactors we put under safeguards will be decided at India's discretion."

He said India had no intention to quarantine its military program from its civilian program because nuclear scientists would work across both programs.

"We are not firewalling between the civil and military programs in terms of manpower or personnel. That's not on," Dr Chidambaram said.

His comments followed the nuclear co-operation agreement struck between Washington and Delhi. Dr Chidambaram was a key player in those negotiations.

That agreement will form a template for the Howard Government, which plans to pursue its own safeguards agreement to sell uranium to the subcontinent.

Mr Downer said selling uranium to India would make the world safer because its nuclear plants would be subject to international inspections for the first time.

He said there was no way the uranium could be used for military purposes.

Last night Mr Downer told the ABC that United Nations inspectors would ensure the uranium remained in the civilian program.

But the comments of Dr Chidambaram reveal that India will retain discretion over which plants are in the net and which remain closed to the rest of the world.

He also said new fast-breeder reactors should stay outside inspections. "Now, anything which requires advanced R&D, we don't want to slow it down by having someone looking over their shoulder," he said.

Australia's decision is a groundbreaking shift in foreign policy, which had prohibited the sale of uranium to countries outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd condemned the decision yesterday.

"It is a very bad development indeed when we have the possibility of the Government of Australia stepping outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and saying it's OK to sell uranium (to a country) which isn't a signatory," he said.

Greens leader Bob Brown said: "Australia is directly fuelling the production of nuclear weapons for a country which will soon have rockets that will reach Australia."

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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #81 - Aug 17^th, 2007 at 9:37am As far as im concerned, India is no threat to Australia outside of Cricket. He He, i now have 1821 posts
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Coalition split on nuclear power: Labor
Reply #82 - Aug 20^th, 2007 at 10:29am

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Coalition-split-on-nuclear-power-Labor/2007/08/20/1187462125227.html

The coalition is split over plans to create a nuclear power industry in Australia, Labor says.

The government says nuclear power should be considered as an option for future energy supplies.

But Nationals candidate Dr Sue Page, who will contest the federal seat of Richmond in northern NSW in the coming election, said the junior coalition party was committed to opposing nuclear development.

Opposition spokesman for infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, said Dr Page's position represented a rupture in the coalition policy.

"The coalition is split to the extent that it's arguing that you can have 25 nuclear reactors but they won't actually be located anywhere," Mr Albanese told ABC radio.

India uranium deal 'to have safeguards'

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/India-uranium-deal-to-have-safeguards/2007/08/21/1187462231578.html

Uranium sold by Australia to India would not be available for use in weapons, Treasurer Peter Costello said.

Prime Minister John Howard last week announced it had reached a conditional agreement to sell uranium to India although it is not a signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT).

The exports to India will be subject to strict conditions, including guarantees uranium would only be used for power generation and regular inspections.

The Nuclear Suppliers Group will also have to approve the agreement.

China searches for 'missing' uranium

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/China-searches-for-missing-uranium/2007/08/24/1187462495685.html

Eight kilograms of radioactive uranium is missing in China, delaying the verdict in a trial of four men charged with attempting to sell it on the black market, state media says.

A court in Guangzhou, capital of China's southern province of Guangdong, heard the four tried to sell the material, which can be used in making nuclear weapons, between 2005 and January 2007, the China Daily said.

The men were arrested in January after a potential buyer in Hong Kong reported them to the authorities, the paper said.

However, despite having the four men in custody, police were unable to locate the uranium.

"The men claimed it had been lost because it had been moved around so much between potential buyers," the paper said.

N-power without weapons possible: Blix

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Npower-without-weapons-possible-Blix/2007/08/27/1188067000545.html

Former United Nations chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said he was in favour of nuclear power and believed it could be pursued at the same time as nuclear disarmament.

Speaking at the United Nations Association of Australia 2007 National Conference in Melbourne, Dr Blix said it was "a nonsense" that nuclear power and nuclear weapons were inextricably linked.

"You can have nuclear power without nuclear weapons," Dr Blix said.

"It's a question about the (political) will, and therefore the decisive thing is to create such a world where countries don't feel the need for nuclear weapons."

He said Australia's proposed uranium exports to India would not breach the international non-proliferation treaty.

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Re: Why nuclear will win the debate
Reply #83 - Aug 28^th, 2007 at 7:50pm

enviro wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 6:44am:

I found this in an investment spiel;

The world’s worst fuel shortage has driven the price of one commodity through the roof… and it’s not oil…

The yellow stuff that drives almost every reactor in the world – uranium – is under attack on three sides… While world leaders are pledging to triple the number of nuclear power plants worldwide over the next few years, the reactors already in use have eaten up more than half the world’s uranium reserves.

Add that to the explosively growing energy demand of countries like China, and you have a supply gap that dwarfs the wildest dreams of the most successful oil or coal investors. In fact, worldwide uranium demand already exceeds supply by 139%. Mines may never be able to crank up production high enough...

This has driven prices of uranium from $10.10 per pound in 2003 to over $56 today… a rise of 454% in three years. And a few stocks are poised to jump as the fuel’s price shoots higher.

You’ll get all the urgent details of the uranium boom, including…

The uranium investment that’s projected to grow from $72 million to $119 BILLION in less than two years...
Why the world’s commercial uranium reserves could be totally gone before mines can produce enough fuel to run the reactors we already have...
The “new” nuclear power plant that will turn penny stocks into blue chips and shoot larger companies The world’s worst fuel shortage has driven the price of one commodity through the roof… and it’s not oil…

The yellow stuff that drives almost every reactor in the world – uranium – is under attack on three sides… While world leaders are pledging to triple the number of nuclear power plants worldwide over the next few years, the reactors already in use have eaten up more than half the world’s uranium reserves.

Add that to the explosively growing energy demand of countries like China, and you have a supply gap that dwarfs the wildest dreams of the most successful oil or coal investors. In fact, worldwide uranium demand already exceeds supply by 139%. Mines may never be able to crank up production high enough...

This has driven prices of uranium from $10.10 per pound in 2003 to over $56 today… a rise of 454% in three years. And a few stocks are poised to jump as the fuel’s price shoots higher.

You’ll get all the urgent details of the uranium boom, including…

The uranium investment that’s projected to grow from $72 million to $119 BILLION in less than two years...
Why the world’s commercial uranium reserves could be totally gone before mines can produce enough fuel to run the reactors we already have...
The “new” nuclear power plant that will turn penny stocks into blue chips and shoot larger companies through the moon… through the moon…
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http://www.investmentu.net/ppc/t4uranium.cfm?kw=X300G533

If the stock market prices are up as dramatically as what's said in above quote a lot of people will go broke if we don't go nuclear.

I was particularly interested in the prophecy of us running out of uranium. Does anyone know how true that is?

-->that's an extremely interesting 2nd paragraph...can it be corroborated I wonder?

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keithy Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 106	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #84 - Aug 28^th, 2007 at 7:57pm If the stock market prices are up as dramatically as what's said in above quote a lot of people will go broke if we don't go nuclear. ********* Say that again!
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keithy Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 106	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #85 - Aug 28^th, 2007 at 7:59pm mantra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:26pm: Who is behind the push by the government for nuclear power? Why the rush and how much of taxpayers' money is going to be invested to initially prop this industry up? Good question...the truth is out there!
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Re: Aussies embracing nuclear power: poll
Reply #86 - Aug 28^th, 2007 at 8:02pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Aussies-embracing-nuclear-power-poll/2007/03/06/1172943389296.html

Concerns about climate change have swung Australian opinion in favour of nuclear power for the first time, a poll shows.

A Newspoll published in The Australian newspaper reveals support for nuclear power has surged 10 percentage points to 45 per cent in four months, outstripping opposition, which has plummeted 10 points to 40 per cent.

But a vast majority - 66 per cent - are against having a nuclear power station in their local area.

The key to the shift appears to have been Prime Minister John Howard's repeatedly linking nuclear power to strategies for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions, the newspaper reports.

The survey asked whether respondents supported the development of nuclear power industry in Australia as one of a range of energy solutions to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and whether they would personally be in favour or against a nuclear power station being built in your local area.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #87 - Aug 28^th, 2007 at 8:03pm I doubt we have even used half of the known reserves. Consider your sources - they are after your money and they don't reference their source.
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keithy Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 106	Re: Why nuclear will win the debate Reply #88 - Aug 28^th, 2007 at 8:11pm freediver wrote on Aug 28^th, 2007 at 8:03pm: I doubt we have even used half of the known reserves. Consider your sources - they are after your money and they don't reference their source. It doesn't seem to go with what most would have you believe at the very least. My question is: who owns science around here?
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PM backs off nuke waste dump referendum
Reply #89 - Aug 30^th, 2007 at 12:10pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/PM-backs-off-nuke-waste-dump-referendum/2007/08/29/1188067184789.html

Prime Minister John Howard has refused to hold a referendum on a nuclear waste dump in the Northern Territory.

Last week, Mr Howard promised that nuclear power stations would not be imposed on any community in Australia unless residents agree to it in a binding referendum.

Territory parliament on Tuesday passed a motion calling on the commonwealth to offer Territorians the same chance to vote on a nuclear dump.

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