Quote:The damage done is not proportional to the surface area covered. Rivers contain a lot of life. The greatest losses of biodiversity are occurring in freshwater ecosystems, largely as a result of sucking rivers dry.
Which is precisely why it would be a good idea to divert water from north Queensland down into the Murrray/Darling to increase maintain its biodiverity. It's dying now.
On a more general level the rivers that empty into the Arafura Sea and the Pacific Ocean and the Carpentaria are very short. There really isn't much there. The advantages of diversion to both humans and wildlife in the interior are enormous.
Dams obstruct water flow only while they are filling up. After that the flow returns to normal. Australian flora and fauna are well adapted to seasonal water shortage and should be able to cope very well.
Quote:Not as much as pumping water from the north to the south. Have you looked into the cost of these pipelines?
I have not costed them, but I'm sure they'd be a small fraction of the cost of say road maintainance in Sydney and Melbourne, or for that matter national credit card debt, or our dysfunctional education system.
There would be no trouble borrowing the necessary funds from the Superannuation Funds. They are always looking for 'nuts and bolts' projects to invest in as they are a lot more secure than the stock market. The problem has never been shortage of money so much as shortage of imagination and the jealousy of small minded State governments.
Quote:Nice launguage, paints a rough picture. But have you ever been there? What kind of idiot says that? Huh
It is a rough place one of the driest and most inhospitable on earth. I have seen plenty of desert and semi-desert Australian bush and its no Lothlorien, not even a Franklin river. And there's a lot of it. The amount of land affected will be miniscule and for the most part temporary.
Quote:I care for one. Im sure you could probably find a 'few' more people who would want a wild part of our country to be protected from such damage. The 'damage' would include a shift in the fauna of the area from its natural state. Permanent water would change fish species, flora etc. Just because its not rainforest or coral reef doesnt mean the biodiversity it supports isnt important. Regardless, nobody would do something that foolish.
The engineering projects broached here would not do extensive damage to any eco-system as a whole, and would open up new vistas for other richer eco-systems to develop. I have no objection to using nature and adapting it to our purposes, what I object to is abusing nature and laying the land waste.
Most of this has already been done by private enterprise. The environmental impact of all of the projects here mooted would be insignificant compared to dividing the land up into cattle properties and overstocking by a factor of between three and ten, as was the blithe and ignorant practice of past generations.
State-directed projects could have written into their charter that they would do everything in their power to preserve the environment.
We need to keep a sense of proportion. The impact of a few dams is as nothing beside a coal powerplant, a steel mill or a chemical factory, yet we are willing to tolerated those in our midst, or at least not do without the benefits they bring.
And perhaps those who feel sorry for the wildlife (of whom I am definitely one) reflect on the carnage inflicted on them by our highway system every day of every year. Compared to this dams and pipelines are benign.
Quote:How about this: we move everyone from the centre out to the coast, then divert all the rivers inland so that we have a big lake... Hell we could probably get our population to double if we did that.
Your plan is most practicable and attractive. As and alternative we could use nuclear demolition charges to open up an inlet in Spencer's Gulf to let the sea in. Soon after we could use even stronger nuclear charges to knock a hole in the Owen-Stanley Range in PNG to give Australia greater access to the tropical monsoons. That's the ticket.
I'm glad your seeing things my way. Just kidding.
All ad hominem attacks and sarcasm aside Australia is a harsh and barren place and will need to be substantially modified if we are to thrive here in any numbers. We have already done this in a thoughtless, uncaring and destructive way. Lets continue in a thoughtful, caring and creative way.
None of the creatures in the Murray/Darling would object in the slightest to having more water in their river. None of the animals in WA would mind at all if water was piped to them from the Fitzroy. For one thing we would stop overusing the meagre amounts of water in the local rivers and allow them to flow even more freely.
I realize this is fairly heretical stuff but something along these lines will be necessary in the medium to long term future. Desal plants are very greenhouse-nasty and dump a lot of very, very salty water into the sea nearby to the detriment of the local marine creatures.
If you are prepared to accept that as the the price of living in Australia then I don't see what the problem is with collecting and diverting fresh water from the north to the south.
Unless we wish to pack our bags and return to Eurasia (and its a little late for that) we will have to do something substantial fairly soon.