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Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 6:59pm
 
Thanks for your interest.

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If a grand scheme like this did make sense our pollies would be drooling all over it.


Alas no. Most politicians are unimaginative, small-minded and concerned only with winning the next election. Most are probably unaware of the potential.

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Yet this is where you want to take the water from? You do realise we have wet lush areas north of the deserts don't you?


I don't intend to take so much water that we reduce northern Australia to a desert. That would be an abominable desecration. I just think it would be a good idea to harvest the some monsoon water that flows straight back out into the sea and send it south where it will be useful to man and beast.

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Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 7:05pm
 
They don't have to think it up themselves. There are plenty of people willing to share their crazy ideas. Actually, a few premiers and PM's have suggested this sort of thing. They all got knocked back when reality (price) set in. Sorry I can't come up with names at the moment. I heard about it when I was a kid and was also enthralled with the idea.
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Reply #17 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 8:58pm
 
Well I'm not longer a kid and I think it would be at least worth doing a serious feasibility study before we start poisoning the sea with desal or drinking our own sewerage.

It is certainly to my mind an attractive and inspiring idea.

One thing is for sure: we can't keep on going the way we have done.

The free market approach to land management and the environment has failed.

It's time for the State to take charge and the only one  competent to do so is the Federal government.

The most important thing to realize is that we can take control of our own destiny and make something of our own country in our own time.

We don't have to be a third rate copy of whatever great white power rules the northern hemisphere and follow them down the road to ruin.

Australia can be a unique and valuable civilisation and member of the world community in and of it's own right.

If we want to.
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Reply #18 - Dec 20th, 2006 at 8:40am
 
How does desal poison the sea?

I'd expect the feasibility studies have already been done.
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2006 at 5:17pm
 
The NSW government has invited companies to submit 'expressions of interest' in building a desalination plant.
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Reply #20 - Jan 8th, 2007 at 9:37am
 
SEQ to get referendum on recycled water: http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165390401

They are preparing to build a pipeline from Noosa to Brisbane: http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/Work-underway-on-Sunshine-Coast-pipeline/200...
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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 8:40am
 
Just got a rates bill in the mail and had a close look at it. Water is billed separately. It had gone down 25% - probably due to switching to greywater in the garden.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/gardening/water.html

This was a pretty good result, and the house is below average on all measures of water consumption. But it certainly wouldn't be justified on cost alone, as there are some expenses and you have to move the hose every day. At $1 per kilolitre (1000 litres, or a 1m cube), the cost for the 88 day period was less than a carton of beer, and less than the cost of the water connection. It was only a small fraction of the total rates bill. To me this is sending a mixed message. On the one hand, the council is saying there is a drought and a big water shortage. On the other hand they are still giving the water away for almost nothing. A 25% reduction is not going to solve the drought, it will just buy us a bit more time, which may or may not get us through. What we should have is a variable rate on the cost of water, so they can increase it when there is a drought. Our rivers, estuaries and waterways should not always be at the bottom of the pile when it comes to sharing out water.
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Canberra worried about Qld water sale
Reply #22 - Jan 10th, 2007 at 10:11am
 
I can't believe the QLD government is doing this right now - trying to suck even more water out of the Murray to grow cotton.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Canberra-worried-about-Qld-water-sale/2007/01/10/1168105022601.html

The federal government has ordered an investigation into a Queensland plan to siphon huge volumes of water from the parched Murray-Darling system for agriculture.

The Queensland government wants to sell eight billion litres of water a year from the Warrego River catchment, a tributary of the Darling, beginning with two auctions in March.

The water would be used to irrigate farmlands including cotton and cattle properties.
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Recycled water for 40,000 Vic houses
Reply #23 - Jan 15th, 2007 at 3:20pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Recycled-water-for-40000-Vic-houses/2007/01/15/1168709656925.html

More than 40,000 new houses in Melbourne's outer south-east will be connected to Victoria's first mandatory water recycling scheme, state Water Minister John Thwaites says.

Under changes to planning laws, water authorities must fit a "dual pipe" system to all new houses to supply class-A non-drinking water for toilet-flushing and outdoor use.

This would cut by a third the amount of drinking-quality water used in each home, Mr Thwaites said.

Purple taps, pipes, hoses and meters will be used to supply recycled water to houses.
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Desalination not a climate gamble: govt
Reply #24 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:07am
 
So how much is this going to cost, and will the end users be charged for it? Are they actually going to build green power plants, or are they just going to divert green power from elsewhere and blame other electricity users for any new coal fired plants that are built. Talk about spin! They are going to increase our electricity consumption, not build more wind farms to compensate, then claim it is green powered.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Desalination-not-a-climate-gamble-govt/2007/01/19/1169095942804.html

NSW Water Utilities Minister David Campbell has reiterated the government's promise that the Kurnell plant would be fully green-powered.

Mr Campbell denied the decision, which rests on the prospect of rain next week, was an arbitrary gamble of more than one billion dollars.

"Government's made it clear that the desalination plant is the insurance policy, it's the last resort," Mr Campbell told ABC Radio.

"In the interim there's been a great deal of investment by the government and others in recycling infrastructure, in stormwater harvesting, government encouraged rebates for stormwater, the rainwater tanks and water-efficient washing machines.

A Sydney Water report into the 500 megalitre plant suggests it would require almost one million megawatt hours - the equivalent of all remaining green power currently available in Australia.

Looks like they are NOT going to build new green power plants to run it:

"The advice that I have is that there is absolute capacity in the system to have green power to run the desalination plant, should it be built," he said.

The NSW Greens have called for the reintroduction of level four water restrictions in place of the desalination plant.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/NSW-to-go-ahead-with-desalination-plant/2007/01/18/1169095917031.html

The controversial desalination plant proposed for Sydney's south to combat record low dam levels may go ahead before the March state elections, the NSW government says.
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Water bureaucracy too complicated: Rudd
Reply #25 - Jan 22nd, 2007 at 5:00pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Water-bureaucracy-too-complicated-Rudd/2007/01/22/1169330803799.html

Australia needs a unified body to streamline water programs, says Federal Labor leader Kevin Rudd.

He says the current water bureaucracy is the most complicated in the western world.

Mr Rudd said states and territories are dealing with five separate agencies when applying for funding for water projects.
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Reply #26 - Jan 22nd, 2007 at 6:37pm
 
I live in the Northwest of WA.We had a metre of rain here last year mostly in the first 3 months.All the dams here are full but the rest of the state is suffering.The sweeping rains in the south have eased the situation for a while but is an ongoing problem that needs to be addressed.The pollies say that a trench or pipeline is unviable and desalination is the way to go.I think that is crap as desalination uses energy and has an effect on the ozone layer whereas tidal surges should be enough to power the pumps that push that water through a pipeline,if not help out with solar power.There are so many options available but the pollies need to make their masters happy and use every money draining practice before retirering with fat super payouts. Angry
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Reply #27 - Jan 23rd, 2007 at 8:33am
 
It wouldn't surprise me if desal used less energy than pumping water that far. Of course, there are probably a lot of cheaper options that desal.
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Companies to have no say on water price
Reply #28 - Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:13pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/companies-to-have-no-say-on-water-price/2007/01/31/1169919398774.html

Private companies will profit from running Queensland's major water infrastructure but will have no say in water pricing, the government says.

Deputy Premier and Infrastructure Minister Anna Bligh said private companies with expertise in operating water infrastructure would be contracted to provide the "most cost effective" solution for taxpayers.

But all infrastructure would remain the property of the government, which would have full control of it and water pricing, she said.

"I would think that most people would understand that there are some things the private sector does better than the public," Ms Bligh said.

"If they can have a profit margin with a more efficient operation, I don't think that's going to surprise anybody."

She said water prices would rise but this was because of outlays for new infrastructure, not because of private contracts.

Ms Bligh said the Queensland Water Commission was investigating water pricing and would report to the government in February. Details would be released in the June budget.
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Reply #29 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 2:25pm
 
Sewerage Water... what's the big deal? http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1171638533

SEQ to get referendum on recycled water  http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165390401


Cathryn O'Sullivan
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Environmental Engineering will running the Sustainability Seminar
Series again this semester. The first presentation will be on the 27th
Fed at 1pm. Details are below. Please forward this notice to anyone
who may be interested. All are welcome.

ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING SUSTAINABILITY SEMINAR SERIES

Speaker: Prof Jurg Keller.
Director Advanced Wastewater Management Centre, and Professor Chemical
Engineering UQ

Title: Water recycling and Sustainability: Do they really mix?

SE Queensland is currently building one of the largest water recycling
systems worldwide, including indirect potable reuse. But how
sustainable is this solution to the water crisis? Is there really a
water crisis at all?

These and other questions will be addressed in this seminar, and
everyone is invited to raise their questions during or after the
seminar.

Chemical Engineering Seminar Room (Building 74 Room 206)
Tuesday 27th February 1pm.


Future Speakers in the Series:

Dr Joe da Costa, Chemical Engineering UQ.
Title: "Inorganic Membranes for Clean Energy Delivery"
Date: Tuesday 20th March, 1pm.

Prof Chris Moran, Mining and Minerals Processing Engineering UQ.
Title: "Why be sustainable if the world is about to end?"
Date: To be advised

Prof Ling Li, Environmental Engineering UQ.
Title:  "Engineering and environmental problems in China today"
Date: Tuesday 22nd May, 1pm.

Queries:
Cathryn O'Sullivan
cathryno@cheque.uq.edu.au
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