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Jan 4th, 2007 at 11:08am
 
to conserve and reduce coal usage.

All new buildings to include solar power. On the price of purchasing your home on a mortgage for only another 20 cents a week you can reduce your powerbill dramatically.

Companies like Energy Australia would supply maintenance. Obviously the saving made from dramatically reducing mains power would save you enough to buy new parts, or upgrade, or pay maintenance etc.

Over the next 2 to 3 years the government can budget to supply a solar unit  for each existing home. Probably cost around $15 Billion to the government.

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Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 11:17am
 
Isn't wind a cheaper option?
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Reply #2 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 11:46am
 
Solar won't kill birds.

Sorry, that was a low blow.

Windmills can play it's part on the main energy source but their is also a government cost in paying for ongoing maintenance and cleaning. It also takes up land, and a lot of it. Solar sits on your rooftop and the owner pays for maintenance and upkeep.

The reason why solar isn't being considered is because they can't make any tax out of the energy supply.

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Reply #3 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 11:53am
 
Is the birds issue a real one? Solar also has problems I think - to do with the chemicals released in manufacturing. I heard this a while back so I'm not sure if it is still true. Windmills don't take up a lot of land. You can still graxe cattle or grow crops under them.

All power supplies will have some drawbacks.

I don't think tax is a big issue for the government. I think the price we pay for electricity barely covers the cost of supplying it, so they aren't making any profit. They are definitely making a loss on wind.

Solar would have higher ongoing maintenance costs, especially in a distributed system like you describe. In any case, the prices that get thrown around include maintenance costs. It is not a separate issue that you need to consider if you a buying electricity from a supplier, which would be the case for wind, coal etc. For your own system at home you would have to take it into account of course.
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Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 12:08pm
 
Are you implying that solar panels during manufacturing release toxic fumes or chemicals?

This is something I haven't heard of.

Yes the onus would be up to the homeowner to maintain it. Yes, it might cost a little more or a little less but he'll be able to breathe easier.
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 12:26pm
 
As far as I know yes.

Both solar and wind would allow people to breathe easier, the difference is that wind is a lot cheaper. The whole birds thing has been blown way out of proportion - I suspect by coal companies and land owners who don't like the look of them. I've killed a number of birds with cars. More have died on my windows. Still more from pet cats. Probably over 100 all up - and that's just from one person and ignoring the birds I eat. This kind of puts it into perpective when people complain about a few dead birds from a wind farm that can supply an entire large town.

Of course, there are plenty of options that are far cheaper than wind even, without any environmental costs and a few extra benefits. The difference with those is that you cannot put your finger on them so easily and demand the government impliment them or force the general public to have them on all new rooves. People tend to go for the grand schemes that they can see and understand, rather than the mundane solutions that are a bit more complicated.
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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 1:15pm
 
Good Point. We always need to look at consumer psychology.
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Reply #7 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 6:54pm
 
hi guys, but there is still the up and coming advent of HOT ROCKS, this is being investigated by private ent. and apparently the BEVERLY MINE in S.A.
To me it seems that there is no polution, using only water converted to steam, and with enough sites around the country to allow each state to have at least one station on line for about 45 years
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Reply #8 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 6:57pm
 
sorry, the mine in south aust is currently online with HOT ROCK POWER SUPPLIED FROM INNAMINKA
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Reply #9 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 6:56am
 
I heard that 'Hot Rocks' is supplying 20% of SA's energy needs. Do you know if they have done an environmental impact study since it's been operating?
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Reply #10 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 7:01am
 
You probably have more information than myself regarding windmill technology so from your understanding, what are the negatives concerning Windmill Energy as the primary source for Australia?

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Reply #11 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 8:37am
 
I've only looked into it from a cost perspective. As far as I can tell, it costs 2 to 3 times as much as coal. The negatives are insignificant compared to most options - just birds, noise and the visual impact. You probably wouldn't want one in your backyard, but there are plenty of hilltops that would be ideal.
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Fertile land usage is important
Reply #12 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 8:43am
 
Apparently they take up a hell of a lot of land. Most of this would be National Park I presume?
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Reply #13 - Jan 5th, 2007 at 8:57am
 
I doubt it. I think you have to chop down trees. I would imagine it would be on grazing land probably and the tops of hills. They don't actually 'take up' the space, but there are a lot of things you can't use it for afterwards, and you need a lot of heavy machinery moving about when you install them. The soil is still there and the rain still falls on it. Most national parks tend to be a bit harder to get around in, whereas the hills that are part of or adjacent to farmland would be easier to get too. Also, a lot of them go in on coastal areas.
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Reply #14 - Jan 21st, 2007 at 12:30pm
 
For some reason I often hear people claim that solar has a negative EROI - energy return on investment. That is, it takes more electrical energy to create a solar cell than you get out of it. Of course, this is simply not true.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics

A key indicator of environmental performance is the ratio of electricity generated divided by the energy required to build and maintain the equipment. Of course, little is gained if it takes as much energy to produce the modules as they produce in their lifetimes. This ratio is called the energy return on investment (EROI) This should not be confused with the economic return on investment, which varies according to local energy prices, subsidies available and metering techniques. A related concept is the energy pay-back time, i.e. the time required to produce an amount of energy as great as what was consumed during production.

Crystalline silicon PV systems presently have energy pay-back times of 1.5-2 years for South-European locations and 2.7-3.5 years for Middle-European locations. For silicon technology clear prospects for a reduction of energy input exist, and an energy pay-back of 1 year may be possible within a few years. Thin film technologies now have energy pay-back times in the range of 1-1.5 years (S.Europe).[11] With lifetimes of such systems of at least 30 years, the EROI is in the range of 10 to 30.
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